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Why Do So Many Have Trouble Believing In Evolution?

JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
edited February 2012 in A Moving Train
"Not surprisingly, and rather unfortunately, religious belief interferes with people's understanding of what the theory of evolution says."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2012/01/1 ... s-20120122

What are your stances on evolution and your religious preferences?
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  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,933
    I believe in the missing link theory.
  • bigdvsbigdvs Posts: 235
    look up this guy for some answers

    longtime Democratic presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan, “led a Fundamentalist crusade to banish Darwin’s theory of evolution from American classrooms”
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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    tbh it makes america look like a laughing stock

    supposed world powers =\= allow teach creationisim in biology class
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    evolution is a fact, not a theory.

    when something is repeatedly confirmed by science, math and observation, through literally every study that has been done on the subject, it is accepted as true and is a fact. evolution is not imperfect or mere speculation as the creationists think the word "theory" implies. (they should have paid attention in junior high science class)

    if you don't believe in evolution, you might as well just believe that the earth is bigger than the sun or in Santa Claus.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Another god - evolution debate... something new around here eh? lol
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  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,933
    edited January 2012
    he still stands wrote:
    evolution is a fact, not a theory.

    when something is repeatedly confirmed by science, math and observation, through literally every study that has been done on the subject, it is accepted as true and is a fact. evolution is not imperfect or mere speculation as the creationists think the word "theory" implies. (they should have paid attention in junior high science class)

    if you don't believe in evolution, you might as well just believe that the earth is bigger than the sun or in Santa Claus.

    I don't know if I'd call it fact. Not even scientists can explain the huge jump in the evolutionary scale that went from Neanderthal to modern sapiens.

    Edit: Evolution is clearly a fact, just not the jump to modern humans.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Another god - evolution debate... something new around here eh? lol

    evolution debate doesn't need to include "god." It is scientifically provable, and it doesn't negate the creation myth necessarily.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    eddiec wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    evolution is a fact, not a theory.

    when something is repeatedly confirmed by science, math and observation, through literally every study that has been done on the subject, it is accepted as true and is a fact. evolution is not imperfect or mere speculation as the creationists think the word "theory" implies. (they should have paid attention in junior high science class)

    if you don't believe in evolution, you might as well just believe that the earth is bigger than the sun or in Santa Claus.

    I don't know if I'd call it fact. Not even scientists can explain the huge jump in the evolutionary scale that went from Neanderthal to modern sapiens.

    Edit: Evolution is clearly a fact, just not the jump to modern humans.

    the "missing link" is a bunch of bullshit because we have only found < 1% of species' fossils. It is just an imaginary argument because transitionary fossils are discovered on a frequent basis eliminating the "missing" links.

    every argument against evolution can be disproven quickly and precisely, making it a FACT indeed.

    edit: and to be clear, there obviously have been many species discovered between lower primates and man. Just because the entire picture isn't clear, that doesn't negate the entire transitional fossil record.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,430
    Is there actually a debate about evolution still going on? Did I time warp back to 1954? :lol:
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    he still stands wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Another god - evolution debate... something new around here eh? lol

    evolution debate doesn't need to include "god." It is scientifically provable, and it doesn't negate the creation myth necessarily.

    Thank you, that's why I brought it up.
    I work with schools all over the country with science related visual materials. We have DVD compilations that are sent out for schools to use. They will often have 7 or 8 shows on these compilations with shows involving biology, chemistry, physics, etc... Well, we sent out a compilation all over the USA a few years back and it had one 12 minute segment on the theories surrounding the big bang. about a dozen schools sent it back saying they werent interested in it because of the evolution/big bang sections. Can you guess where these schools were? probably, yes. :? apparently they felt it might negate the creation myth, I suppose.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    brianlux wrote:
    Is there actually a debate about evolution still going on? Did I time warp back to 1954? :lol:

    the greeks knew about evolution 2500 years ago.

    francis bacon outlined it in pretty good detail in the 16th century

    darwin came up with the theory of natural selection, which further details how evolution happens, and showed immense proof through observation.

    so, you'd have to time warp back several thousand years to not get it... :D

    (i read "Darwin in 90 minutes" a few weeks ago... a great little read on the subject)
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Another god - evolution debate... something new around here eh? lol

    evolution debate doesn't need to include "god." It is scientifically provable, and it doesn't negate the creation myth necessarily.

    Thank you, that's why I brought it up.
    I work with schools all over the country with science related visual materials. We have DVD compilations that are sent out for schools to use. They will often have 7 or 8 shows on these compilations with shows involving biology, chemistry, physics, etc... Well, we sent out a compilation all over the USA a few years back and it had one 12 minute segment on the theories surrounding the big bang. about a dozen schools sent it back saying they werent interested in it because of the evolution/big bang sections. Can you guess where these schools were? probably, yes. :? apparently they felt it might negate the creation myth, I suppose.

    interesting, because the big bang theory doesn't negate the creation myth either. it is about everything that has happened SINCE the "singularity," which is just a fancy word for "we don't know what the fuck happened at this point in time and space, but it was probably infinitely hot and dense"
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    he still stands wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Is there actually a debate about evolution still going on? Did I time warp back to 1954? :lol:

    the greeks knew about evolution 2500 years ago.

    francis bacon outlined it in pretty good detail in the 16th century

    darwin came up with the theory of natural selection, which further details how evolution happens, and showed immense proof through observation.

    so, you'd have to time warp back several thousand years to not get it... :D

    (i read "Darwin in 90 minutes" a few weeks ago... a great little read on the subject)

    6000?

    anyway, if people don't want to believe it that is their business, it is a fundamental change in what people who are religious have been told for thousands of years. It will probably take the same amount of time to change it...unfortunately...
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    he still stands wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    evolution debate doesn't need to include "god." It is scientifically provable, and it doesn't negate the creation myth necessarily.

    Thank you, that's why I brought it up.
    I work with schools all over the country with science related visual materials. We have DVD compilations that are sent out for schools to use. They will often have 7 or 8 shows on these compilations with shows involving biology, chemistry, physics, etc... Well, we sent out a compilation all over the USA a few years back and it had one 12 minute segment on the theories surrounding the big bang. about a dozen schools sent it back saying they werent interested in it because of the evolution/big bang sections. Can you guess where these schools were? probably, yes. :? apparently they felt it might negate the creation myth, I suppose.

    interesting, because the big bang theory doesn't negate the creation myth either. it is about everything that has happened SINCE the "singularity," which is just a fancy word for "we don't know what the fuck happened at this point in time and space, but it was probably infinitely hot and dense"

    Agreed, and oddly enough, our programs are very neutral. I recall it was posed as a "theory of the earths origin", but some educators just wouldnt give it a chance, and in fact they shunned a whole series (FREE TOO!) based on other scientific facts just because of their personal religious beliefs.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    satansbed wrote:
    tbh it makes america look like a laughing stock

    supposed world powers =\= allow teach creationisim in biology class


    it isn't just america

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/ ... reationism
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    nobody has proven evolution from ape to man have they ?
    so really this topic has answered its self thru the few comments that have already been posted, and maybe someday someone might find the "missing link" some people are hoping for but personally I doubt it, there is no DNA match in the slightest between man and ape that I know of which would be huge in this debate to even start talking about evolution of this type.

    Godfather.
  • antares434antares434 Posts: 110
    Godfather. wrote:
    nobody has proven evolution from ape to man have they ?
    so really this topic has answered its self thru the few comments that have already been posted, and maybe someday someone might find the "missing link" some people are hoping for but personally I doubt it, there is no DNA match in the slightest between man and ape that I know of which would be huge in this debate to even start talking about evolution of this type.

    Godfather.

    humans are apes
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Godfather. wrote:
    nobody has proven evolution from ape to man have they ?
    so really this topic has answered its self thru the few comments that have already been posted, and maybe someday someone might find the "missing link" some people are hoping for but personally I doubt it, there is no DNA match in the slightest between man and ape that I know of which would be huge in this debate to even start talking about evolution of this type.

    Godfather.

    we aren't direct descendants of apes, monkeys, orangutans, etc. they are sort of our "cousins" as we have a common descendant, but we (humans) didn't used to be any of these species.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    antares434 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    nobody has proven evolution from ape to man have they ?
    so really this topic has answered its self thru the few comments that have already been posted, and maybe someday someone might find the "missing link" some people are hoping for but personally I doubt it, there is no DNA match in the slightest between man and ape that I know of which would be huge in this debate to even start talking about evolution of this type.

    Godfather.

    humans are apes

    in a figurative sense???
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  • antares434antares434 Posts: 110
    he still stands wrote:
    antares434 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    nobody has proven evolution from ape to man have they ?
    so really this topic has answered its self thru the few comments that have already been posted, and maybe someday someone might find the "missing link" some people are hoping for but personally I doubt it, there is no DNA match in the slightest between man and ape that I know of which would be huge in this debate to even start talking about evolution of this type.

    Godfather.

    humans are apes

    in a figurative sense???

    no ... humans are actually apes
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    antares434 wrote:
    no ... humans are actually apes

    oh, ok I see that "ape" is just a generic term for the superfamily of Hominoidea, which includes humans, chimpanzees, orangutans, gorillas, etc

    thanks, I naively thought that "ape" was an actually species. :oops:
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  • SweetChildofMineSweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    I did a google image search for hairy men. All I saw was banana. :oops:
  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    satansbed wrote:
    tbh it makes america look like a laughing stock

    supposed world powers =\= allow teach creationisim in biology class


    it isn't just america

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/ ... reationism


    difference is that the government doesn't support it, while a lot of the states do

    and a more recent link

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/201 ... ent-design
  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    Godfather. wrote:
    nobody has proven evolution from ape to man have they ?
    so really this topic has answered its self thru the few comments that have already been posted, and maybe someday someone might find the "missing link" some people are hoping for but personally I doubt it, there is no DNA match in the slightest between man and ape that I know of which would be huge in this debate to even start talking about evolution of this type.

    Godfather.


    thats because thats not how eveloution worked
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    satansbed wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    satansbed wrote:
    tbh it makes america look like a laughing stock

    supposed world powers =\= allow teach creationisim in biology class


    it isn't just america

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/ ... reationism


    difference is that the government doesn't support it, while a lot of the states do

    and a more recent link

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/201 ... ent-design

    does this mean our government is a better reflection of the people for better or worse :lol:

    that is a good point about the government not vs the public schools here. I don't think it is as wide spread as some make it seem though. I never heard peep one about it in school.

    and that is a great article, hope for the future
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    he still stands wrote:
    antares434 wrote:
    no ... humans are actually apes

    oh, ok I see that "ape" is just a generic term for the superfamily of Hominoidea, which includes humans, chimpanzees, orangutans, gorillas, etc

    thanks, I naively thought that "ape" was an actually species. :oops:


    hmmm... what did you think an ape looked like???? :think:
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    The conflict of faith versus science...if a creation believer used their mind, they can reach a place where there is no conflict between God creating all that we know and the process of evolution.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    he still stands wrote:
    antares434 wrote:
    no ... humans are actually apes

    thanks, I naively thought that "ape" was an actually species. :oops:
    Only in the Tarzan books by Edgar Rice Burroughs are there a species simply known as "apes"....Tarzan was raised by a tribe of what EBR identified as "Great Apes"....bigger and more advanced than gorillas or chimps or orangs. :ugeek:
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Godfather. wrote:
    nobody has proven evolution from ape to man have they ?
    so really this topic has answered its self thru the few comments that have already been posted, and maybe someday someone might find the "missing link" some people are hoping for but personally I doubt it, there is no DNA match in the slightest between man and ape that I know of which would be huge in this debate to even start talking about evolution of this type.

    Godfather.

    If humans descended from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys?
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Smellyman wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    nobody has proven evolution from ape to man have they ?
    so really this topic has answered its self thru the few comments that have already been posted, and maybe someday someone might find the "missing link" some people are hoping for but personally I doubt it, there is no DNA match in the slightest between man and ape that I know of which would be huge in this debate to even start talking about evolution of this type.

    Godfather.

    If humans descended from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys?

    humans didnt descend from monkeys... nor did they descend from apes. they share a common ancestor that is all.
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