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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Drowned Out wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Not if it's one of their customers selling it.
    megaupload doesn't upload it's own content for public consumption. It's basically a bigass ftp site. And there are already a LOT of sites like it operating. This grandstanding, making an example, is a joke.

    Right, people should be able to steal, huh?

    in reality this situation is very complicated. There is a fine line to doing nothing and doing what they did, so I understand the frustration.
    Did I say that? No...I poked a hole in your weak analogy. I understand that it's complicated...but I don't really understand the fine line you're talking about? Do or do not....pretty black and white to me. ;)
    Should government be allowed to confiscate your legally obtained property, when you haven't broken any laws, because of a crime completely unrelated to you?

    Hahaha that's priceless.

    If a grocery store knowingly allows someone to set up a stand to sell heroin to people...it's the same thing. They know what is being put up is illegal. Its there whole purpose. People are kidding themselves.

    The only shocker is that they are actually trying to do something about it now.

    I think they certainly have the right to confiscate it as part of an investigation. When it's over, if the person is found to not have any part in illegal activity, it would be returned...like all other investigations. I think people are mad at the wrong people.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:

    Did I say that? No...I poked a hole in your weak analogy. I understand that it's complicated...but I don't really understand the fine line you're talking about? Do or do not....pretty black and white to me. ;)
    Should government be allowed to confiscate your legally obtained property, when you haven't broken any laws, because of a crime completely unrelated to you?

    Hahaha that's priceless.

    If a grocery store knowingly allows someone to set up a stand to sell heroin to people...it's the same thing. They know what is being put up is illegal. Its there whole purpose. People are kidding themselves.

    The only shocker is that they are actually trying to do something about it now.

    I think they certainly have the right to confiscate it as part of an investigation. When it's over, if the person is found to not have any part in illegal activity, it would be returned...like all other investigations. I think people are mad at the wrong people.
    It is NOT their whole purpose, and people have stated as much in this thread. I've used these sites for work purposes as well, to share files that are too large to email.
    In your grocery store analogy, yes, if a store was aware that a customer set up a heroin stand and did nothing about it, they'd be negligent.....But if some guy was just meeting people in the store to sell them the heroin without the knowledge of the store, the store would not be responsible. From my understanding, megaupload are extremely diligent in responding to copyright claims. Moreso than many similar sites. Users agree not to share copyrighted material when uploading/signing up...so yes, the wrong people are being targeted.
    Not to mention the fact that, as mentioned, there are a lot of similar sites on the net....so if the basis of your argument is that 'they know what is being put up is illegal', shouldnt ALL of these sites be shut down immediately? Why is it ok to make an example of just one company when it's perfectly clear that other sites offer the exact same service, and they're allowed to continue? That's not justice, it's politics.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Not to mention the fact that, as mentioned, there are a lot of similar sites on the net....so if the basis of your argument is that 'they know what is being put up is illegal', shouldnt ALL of these sites be shut down immediately?


    I would think so, and I think this is the test. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. I do find it extremely humorous that the people that steal music, movies, etc are bitching about it though.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They know what is being put up is illegal. Its there whole purpose. People are kidding themselves.
    I've never downloaded anything illegal from the site. Audience recordings of shows or old PJ boots that are no longer available and linked from this website are all I've used it for. I can't speak for anyone else, but that site is why 50% of my iPod are PJ boots.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Jason P wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They know what is being put up is illegal. Its there whole purpose. People are kidding themselves.
    I've never downloaded anything illegal from the site. Audience recordings of shows or old PJ boots that are no longer available and linked from this website are all I've used it for. I can't speak for anyone else, but that site is why 50% of my iPod are PJ boots.

    Right, but they are making $ off of it right? And there was illegal activity? It'll be very interesting to see what their culpability is in all of this. Especially since they were making $ off memberships. Different animal then a completely free to use site I would think.

    Let me ask some questions.

    Do you think they knew it was being used for illegal activity?

    If so, I'm betting that they just didn't believe they could be held accountable for it as it was always someone else uploading and downloading, they just provided the location.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Right, but they are making $ off of it right? And there was illegal activity? It'll be very interesting to see what their culpability is in all of this. Especially since they were making $ off memberships. Different animal then a completely free to use site I would think.

    Let me ask some questions.

    Do you think they knew it was being used for illegal activity?

    If so, I'm betting that they just didn't believe they could be held accountable for it as it was always someone else uploading and downloading, they just provided the location.
    I never paid anything to them. I just had a slower download speed as a result.

    It all depends if they can present evidence that they reacted properly when notified of illegal content. If they can, then the whole case is bogus. You might as well arrest Google for providing links to their website if otherwise.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    I wonder why Megaupload's CEO, Swizz Beatz, aka Kasseem Dean, aka Alicia Keys husband, was not arrested?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Jason P wrote:

    It all depends if they can present evidence that they reacted properly when notified of illegal content. If they can, then the whole case is bogus. You might as well arrest Google for providing links to their website if otherwise.

    Right and that is what the gov't is trying to do. Which is why I think it's an interesting case.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    cincybearcat wrote:

    If a grocery store is also selling cocaine...don't they close the whole store down?

    :lol:
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:

    If a grocery store is also selling cocaine...don't they close the whole store down?

    :lol:

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :roll:
    hippiemom = goodness
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    :roll:

    :roll:
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    The war on Piracy!

    The US knows no borders.

    America Fuck yeah
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Oh the poor dears who were using an illegal file sharing service and they got ripped off out of a few bucks.

    The movie studios and music companies have been screwed out of hundreds of millions of dollars.

    I'm glad they're gone, I hope they shut down more of these illegal file-sharing services. If you've been paying for this and feel ripped off, imagine how my industry feels that we spend a fortune producing content and people just post and share it with abandon, paying MegaUpload to distribute it but cutting us out.

    If you're paying a gangster for bootlegged alcohol... you're eventually going to get screwed over. Oh well, the moral is "don't give your money to criminals and you have less of a chance of getting screwed over when they get arrested and their operation is shut down."
    I can't drive without Pearl Jam
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Should government be allowed to confiscate your legally obtained property, when you haven't broken any laws, because of a crime completely unrelated to you?

    Yes.

    If you buy a diamond necklace from the back of a truck and it was stolen... yes, in fact... the police can come take it from you AND they can charge you with receiving stolen property.

    Be glad all people lost was their piddly $15 monthly fee and their files. No customers have been arrested.

    Yet.
    I can't drive without Pearl Jam
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    steal a necklace. it is gone.

    share a file. it still exists
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    The movie studios and music companies have been screwed out of hundreds of millions of dollars.

    I'm sure they make up for it, not to mention how the record companies screw the artists over.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5iHaV0dP4
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    This is going to be like the War On Drugs, this is a war they cant win.
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Smellyman wrote:
    steal a necklace. it is gone.

    share a file. it still exists

    Take part in an illegal transaction, lose your money, get arrested.
    I can't drive without Pearl Jam
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    The movie studios and music companies have been screwed out of hundreds of millions of dollars.

    I'm sure they make up for it, not to mention how the record companies screw the artists over.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5iHaV0dP4

    Oh, you're preaching to the choir. But in the end, the producers have the right to protect their copyright.
    I can't drive without Pearl Jam
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    The movie studios and music companies have been screwed out of hundreds of millions of dollars.

    I'm sure they make up for it, not to mention how the record companies screw the artists over.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5iHaV0dP4

    Oh, you're preaching to the choir. But in the end, the producers have the right to protect their copyright.

    That's a fact

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