Oh the poor dears who were using an illegal file sharing service and they got ripped off out of a few bucks.
The movie studios and music companies have been screwed out of hundreds of millions of dollars.
I'm glad they're gone, I hope they shut down more of these illegal file-sharing services. If you've been paying for this and feel ripped off, imagine how my industry feels that we spend a fortune producing content and people just post and share it with abandon, paying MegaUpload to distribute it but cutting us out.
If you're paying a gangster for bootlegged alcohol... you're eventually going to get screwed over. Oh well, the moral is "don't give your money to criminals and you have less of a chance of getting screwed over when they get arrested and their operation is shut down."
Should government be allowed to confiscate your legally obtained property, when you haven't broken any laws, because of a crime completely unrelated to you?
Yes.
If you buy a diamond necklace from the back of a truck and it was stolen... yes, in fact... the police can come take it from you AND they can charge you with receiving stolen property.
Be glad all people lost was their piddly $15 monthly fee and their files. No customers have been arrested.
So if the record labels and movie producers started to treat all the artists and copyright holders with the dignity and respect within the moral boundaries of the consumer there would be no piracy? I don't buy it.
Something tells me the majority of people are stealing from copyright holders because the benefit of getting something for free outweighs the cost of getting caught.
I thought 'the cloud' was supposed to be a good thing. Just a sign of things to come...
Keep your files local.
Signed,
Paranoid
look out Microsoft skydrive, apple whatever its called, dropbox, rapidshare. you will (should?) be next, can't do one file sharing site and not the others.
Right, but they are making $ off of it right? And there was illegal activity? It'll be very interesting to see what their culpability is in all of this.
The Pearl Jam Message Board is a "paid" service, requiring a membership.
I bought weed off of here via a thread specifically titled for said purpose (circa. 2003) ...
how culpable would you say Matt Cameron is for this crime?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If this is at all accurate and Megaupload are paying people on Third party sites to upload illegal content onto the Megaupload site and to provide links to that content on those Third party sites which will drive traffic to megaupload and perhaps encourage people to pay for their subscription service to be able to download all the content, then they are guilty of piracy.
"The conspirators allegedly paid users whom they specifically knew uploaded infringing content and publicised their links to users throughout the world," a statement said.
"By actively supporting the use of third-party linking sites to publicise infringing content, the conspirators did not need to publicise such content on the Megaupload site.
"Instead, the indictment alleges that the conspirators manipulated the perception of content available on their servers by not providing a public search function on the Megaupload site and by not including popular infringing content on the publicly available lists of top content downloaded by its users."
Right, but they are making $ off of it right? And there was illegal activity? It'll be very interesting to see what their culpability is in all of this.
The Pearl Jam Message Board is a "paid" service, requiring a membership.
I bought weed off of here via a thread specifically titled for said purpose (circa. 2003) ...
how culpable would you say Matt Cameron is for this crime?
Was the thread locked and deleted once they were aware?
Right, but they are making $ off of it right? And there was illegal activity? It'll be very interesting to see what their culpability is in all of this.
The Pearl Jam Message Board is a "paid" service, requiring a membership.
I bought weed off of here via a thread specifically titled for said purpose (circa. 2003) ...
how culpable would you say Matt Cameron is for this crime?
2003... well shit, those were the wild west days around here.
i don't see how your point matters though. the pearl jam message pit does not exist for the expressed purpose of having its members buy weed from each other.
megaupload made $175 million from subscriptions and advertising... it exists for the expressed purpose of allowing members to give away files and it has never attempted to police the types of files that its users exchanged. they knew that they were essentially stealing from the artists who created the files' content.
the fucks who ran megaupload should be imprisoned. the only 'artists' who have defended them were also paid by them... such as will.i.am and kanye west. the idea that it helps artists become popular is bullshit.
illegal downloading is why artists who want to make an honest living have to charge more for concerts, or have crazy long touring schedules. if free internet file 'sharing' was around in the 60's, the Beatles never would have been able to make albums like Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road.
the wild west days of the internet are hopefully coming to an end... and anyone who has the audacity to think that theft should treated as a crime should help it come to an end rather than cast their lot with douchebags.
maybe the genie can't be put back into the bottle, but that genie is still an asshole. you can never stop all crime, but it doesn't mean you don't try. I totally applaud the U.S. government for taking action on this.
Right, but they are making $ off of it right? And there was illegal activity? It'll be very interesting to see what their culpability is in all of this.
The Pearl Jam Message Board is a "paid" service, requiring a membership.
I bought weed off of here via a thread specifically titled for said purpose (circa. 2003) ...
how culpable would you say Matt Cameron is for this crime?
that is a victimless crime. stealing from artists is not.
malum pro se versus malum prohibitum (an act that is inherently evil and society should not allow it, versus an act that is illegal only because the government prohibits it, not because anyone is directly harmed)
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Right, but they are making $ off of it right? And there was illegal activity? It'll be very interesting to see what their culpability is in all of this.
The Pearl Jam Message Board is a "paid" service, requiring a membership.
I bought weed off of here via a thread specifically titled for said purpose (circa. 2003) ...
how culpable would you say Matt Cameron is for this crime?
that is a victimless crime. stealing from artists is not.
malum pro se versus malum prohibitum (an act that is inherently evil and society should not allow it, versus an act that is illegal only because the government prohibits it, not because anyone is directly harmed)
Reuters reports that a number of curious details have emerged surrounding this week's arrest of the German programmer and entrepreneur Kim Dotcom, who founded Megaupload in 2005. Dotcom was in the safe room of his leased New Zealand mansion when dozens of local police (some in helicopters) swarmed his residency. The Wall Street Journal notes that Dotcom had a loaded shotgun in his possession at the time.
An official from New Zealand's Organized and Financial Crime Agency told Reuters, "Despite our staff clearly identifying themselves, Mr. Dotcom retreated into the house and activated a number of electronic-looking mechanisms."
Police seized two firearms from the premises, and, according to The Telegraph, more than 20 automobiles. Among the vehicles was a 1959 pink Cadillac, as were several others with vanity plates baring such titles as "HACKER," "MAFIA,"and "STONED."
U.S. authorities are labeling the Megaupload case "one of the largest copyright cases in history," says Reuters. As previously reported, following the Megaupload bust, hackers attacked the websites for the Department of Justice, Universal Music Group, the Recording Industry Association of America, and the Motion Picture Association of America.
Reuters reports that a number of curious details have emerged surrounding this week's arrest of the German programmer and entrepreneur Kim Dotcom, who founded Megaupload in 2005. Dotcom was in the safe room of his leased New Zealand mansion when dozens of local police (some in helicopters) swarmed his residency. The Wall Street Journal notes that Dotcom had a loaded shotgun in his possession at the time.
An official from New Zealand's Organized and Financial Crime Agency told Reuters, "Despite our staff clearly identifying themselves, Mr. Dotcom retreated into the house and activated a number of electronic-looking mechanisms."
Police seized two firearms from the premises, and, according to The Telegraph, more than 20 automobiles. Among the vehicles was a 1959 pink Cadillac, as were several others with vanity plates baring such titles as "HACKER," "MAFIA,"and "STONED."
U.S. authorities are labeling the Megaupload case "one of the largest copyright cases in history," says Reuters. As previously reported, following the Megaupload bust, hackers attacked the websites for the Department of Justice, Universal Music Group, the Recording Industry Association of America, and the Motion Picture Association of America.
illegal downloading is why artists who want to make an honest living have to charge more for concerts, or have crazy long touring schedules. if free internet file 'sharing' was around in the 60's, the Beatles never would have been able to make albums like Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road.
the wild west days of the internet are hopefully coming to an end... and anyone who has the audacity to think that theft should treated as a crime should help it come to an end rather than cast their lot with douchebags.
maybe the genie can't be put back into the bottle, but that genie is still an asshole. you can never stop all crime, but it doesn't mean you don't try. I totally applaud the U.S. government for taking action on this.
I agree with this in principle, although I will freely admit I have downloaded illegally countless times. I have used it to preview music, and if I like it, I go buy it, as I prefer the physical product over digital. Also, I like being able to have access to stuff that is not available commercially.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
illegal downloading is why artists who want to make an honest living have to charge more for concerts, or have crazy long touring schedules. if free internet file 'sharing' was around in the 60's, the Beatles never would have been able to make albums like Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road.
the wild west days of the internet are hopefully coming to an end... and anyone who has the audacity to think that theft should treated as a crime should help it come to an end rather than cast their lot with douchebags.
maybe the genie can't be put back into the bottle, but that genie is still an asshole. you can never stop all crime, but it doesn't mean you don't try. I totally applaud the U.S. government for taking action on this.
I agree with this in principle, although I will freely admit I have downloaded illegally countless times. I have used it to preview music, and if I like it, I go buy it, as I prefer the physical product over digital. Also, I like being able to have access to stuff that is not available commercially.
I should have mentioned that I have used the site myself. I don't think I used it more than a dozen or so times, but I do admit to using it... although nothing I downloaded is anything I would have bought anyway. I just spent a small fortune on vinyl records and CDs when I was in Seattle last week so I think I can still claim some moral ground on this issue By the way... I could not find any vinyl records by Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden at Easy Street Records... OK, except for Backspacer, but that's not high on my vinyl list... are there that many dorks like me that want to buy such albums in Seattle? My sister (who lives there) was making fun of me for not simply buying the albums at home.
What do you do when the RIAA / FBI are trying to extradite you and you are out on bail in New Zealand? Well, you make a rap song that makes fun of the prime minister, or course!
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The US knows no borders.
America Fuck yeah
The movie studios and music companies have been screwed out of hundreds of millions of dollars.
I'm glad they're gone, I hope they shut down more of these illegal file-sharing services. If you've been paying for this and feel ripped off, imagine how my industry feels that we spend a fortune producing content and people just post and share it with abandon, paying MegaUpload to distribute it but cutting us out.
If you're paying a gangster for bootlegged alcohol... you're eventually going to get screwed over. Oh well, the moral is "don't give your money to criminals and you have less of a chance of getting screwed over when they get arrested and their operation is shut down."
Yes.
If you buy a diamond necklace from the back of a truck and it was stolen... yes, in fact... the police can come take it from you AND they can charge you with receiving stolen property.
Be glad all people lost was their piddly $15 monthly fee and their files. No customers have been arrested.
Yet.
share a file. it still exists
I'm sure they make up for it, not to mention how the record companies screw the artists over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5iHaV0dP4
Take part in an illegal transaction, lose your money, get arrested.
Oh, you're preaching to the choir. But in the end, the producers have the right to protect their copyright.
That's a fact
Something tells me the majority of people are stealing from copyright holders because the benefit of getting something for free outweighs the cost of getting caught.
look out Microsoft skydrive, apple whatever its called, dropbox, rapidshare. you will (should?) be next, can't do one file sharing site and not the others.
War on Sharing!!!
Can you still share though? I really don't know because I've never used iCloud or the like.
No, just for personal use.
You can't send people links to download your files, only devices that are authorized to access your account.
The Pearl Jam Message Board is a "paid" service, requiring a membership.
I bought weed off of here via a thread specifically titled for said purpose (circa. 2003) ...
how culpable would you say Matt Cameron is for this crime?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
"The conspirators allegedly paid users whom they specifically knew uploaded infringing content and publicised their links to users throughout the world," a statement said.
"By actively supporting the use of third-party linking sites to publicise infringing content, the conspirators did not need to publicise such content on the Megaupload site.
"Instead, the indictment alleges that the conspirators manipulated the perception of content available on their servers by not providing a public search function on the Megaupload site and by not including popular infringing content on the publicly available lists of top content downloaded by its users."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369
Was the thread locked and deleted once they were aware?
2003... well shit, those were the wild west days around here.
i don't see how your point matters though. the pearl jam message pit does not exist for the expressed purpose of having its members buy weed from each other.
megaupload made $175 million from subscriptions and advertising... it exists for the expressed purpose of allowing members to give away files and it has never attempted to police the types of files that its users exchanged. they knew that they were essentially stealing from the artists who created the files' content.
the fucks who ran megaupload should be imprisoned. the only 'artists' who have defended them were also paid by them... such as will.i.am and kanye west. the idea that it helps artists become popular is bullshit.
illegal downloading is why artists who want to make an honest living have to charge more for concerts, or have crazy long touring schedules. if free internet file 'sharing' was around in the 60's, the Beatles never would have been able to make albums like Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road.
the wild west days of the internet are hopefully coming to an end... and anyone who has the audacity to think that theft should treated as a crime should help it come to an end rather than cast their lot with douchebags.
maybe the genie can't be put back into the bottle, but that genie is still an asshole. you can never stop all crime, but it doesn't mean you don't try. I totally applaud the U.S. government for taking action on this.
that is a victimless crime. stealing from artists is not.
malum pro se versus malum prohibitum (an act that is inherently evil and society should not allow it, versus an act that is illegal only because the government prohibits it, not because anyone is directly harmed)
Nice Latin. I approve. :thumbup:
Reuters reports that a number of curious details have emerged surrounding this week's arrest of the German programmer and entrepreneur Kim Dotcom, who founded Megaupload in 2005. Dotcom was in the safe room of his leased New Zealand mansion when dozens of local police (some in helicopters) swarmed his residency. The Wall Street Journal notes that Dotcom had a loaded shotgun in his possession at the time.
An official from New Zealand's Organized and Financial Crime Agency told Reuters, "Despite our staff clearly identifying themselves, Mr. Dotcom retreated into the house and activated a number of electronic-looking mechanisms."
Police seized two firearms from the premises, and, according to The Telegraph, more than 20 automobiles. Among the vehicles was a 1959 pink Cadillac, as were several others with vanity plates baring such titles as "HACKER," "MAFIA,"and "STONED."
U.S. authorities are labeling the Megaupload case "one of the largest copyright cases in history," says Reuters. As previously reported, following the Megaupload bust, hackers attacked the websites for the Department of Justice, Universal Music Group, the Recording Industry Association of America, and the Motion Picture Association of America.
Wowzers! Obviously extremely paranoid.
I agree with this in principle, although I will freely admit I have downloaded illegally countless times. I have used it to preview music, and if I like it, I go buy it, as I prefer the physical product over digital. Also, I like being able to have access to stuff that is not available commercially.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I should have mentioned that I have used the site myself. I don't think I used it more than a dozen or so times, but I do admit to using it... although nothing I downloaded is anything I would have bought anyway. I just spent a small fortune on vinyl records and CDs when I was in Seattle last week so I think I can still claim some moral ground on this issue
Dynamo from The Running Man ....
:think: :think: :think: .....
:ugeek:
That's him?
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/05/kim-dotcom-lampoons-new-zealand-mp-in-new-rap-song.ars?clicked=related_right
Ballsy move ... and a catchy tune as well.
http://news.yahoo.com/nz-court-finds-megaupload-search-warrants-illegal-062938747.html
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