this doesn't surprise me, something similar happened to my friend when we were teenagers
Same thing happened to me and a friend too. I got lucky though...my friend though, I could not protect from the 7 guys that attacked us. He almost got his jaw knocked off, and was eating through a straw for over a month...Completely unprovoked. Sometimes I wonder if we need to test testosterone levels and drain some of these idiots.
I don't make excuses for hate and violence but the leaders of bully gangs
are often learning this at home, from young on. Factor in that sometimes
'apples don't fall far from trees'
and you have a new generation of thoughtless cruel people.
The followers for me personally are much more responsible for incidents.
They feed the bully, fear the bully, support the bully, and make it possible
for bullies to rule ...
when all they have to do is say no, I won't hurt another human being.
Was this ‘kids being kids’ or in reality should it be viewed as --‘gang’ violence or --a ‘hate’ crime? Clearly these thugs, -yes thugs- wanted people to see them because they believe nothing serious, like jail time, is going to happen to them.
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Was this ‘kids being kids’ or in reality should it be viewed as --‘gang’ violence or --a ‘hate’ crime? Clearly these thugs, -yes thugs- wanted people to see them because they believe nothing serious, like jail time, is going to happen to them.
don't think it's a hate crime ... you can only identify one youth ... they could be asian or black or whatever ... you don't know ... i suspect it has nothing to do with hate ... just thugs ...
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Was this ‘kids being kids’ or in reality should it be viewed as --‘gang’ violence or --a ‘hate’ crime? Clearly these thugs, -yes thugs- wanted people to see them because they believe nothing serious, like jail time, is going to happen to them.
don't think it's a hate crime ... you can only identify one youth ... they could be asian or black or whatever ... you don't know ... i suspect it has nothing to do with hate ... just thugs ...
kids trying to be bad-asses and not realizing that a bad ass kid would be the one who tried to stop such a scene. Kids are followers and that can be explained away to a certain point. NOT to this point though. Just straight up disturbing. Agree that it is not likely a 'hate crime' but a serious crime nonetheless.
less tissue on their frontal lobes
maybe this sort of thing(violent personality) is passed down from generation to generation or it could skip a generation...maybe ??
less tissue on their frontal lobes
maybe this sort of thing(violent personality) is passed down from generation to generation or it could skip a generation...maybe ??
Godfather.
they're little bastards each one of em. each a coward as well. their parents cowards? i dunno. their parents little bastards? i dunno.
I blame the parenting or lackthere of fucking kids they suck i'm a parent of two teens boy & girl if they ever did anything remotely close to this they would be in shit for yrs with me .....yeah it's the parents fault
Not trying to be too confrontational... but these boys are to blame.
The parents are likely dickheads, but regardless, we don't give young people enough credit for being responsible. They generally know the difference between right and wrong and many choose wrong opting for lame apologies that mean nothing afterwards to relieve them from penalty.
A lethargic and leniant society with limp-wristed penal and judicial systems and an eager willingness to pardon criminals for their acts is at fault here.
I blame the parenting or lackthere of fucking kids they suck i'm a parent of two teens boy & girl if they ever did anything remotely close to this they would be in shit for yrs with me .....yeah it's the parents fault
When I see this sort of thing, I can't help but wonder where society went wrong in the last 30 years. When I was a kid, parents taught their kids to fight, to defend themselves from the playground bully because fights were common and bullies just needed standing up to.
We're a much more violent society since the 80s. What the Hell happened to us???
Excellent question, Jeanwah. My hunch, again my hunch is TV, movies, video games. I remember going to a movie theater in San Francisco several years ago and seeing a violent biker movie. The movie was sort of like violence porn and only shown in the seediest small independent theaters. (This was not my idea of a good time by the way. A guy I knew back then said, "Hey lets to to the movies and see something different. Different alright. :( ) About a year later another friend (yes, I had some strange friends way back then :? ) suggested we go see this new Movie, "Dirty Harry". This movie was touted as the first ultra violent movie to gain mass popularity and acceptance. It was just the beginning. You can probably watch that movie on TV today. As a society, we've been desensitized to pointless violence and then taken it a step further to where we now idolize, promote, sell and profit from violence. As long as it sells-- and it does, big time-- it will continue to affect our collective psyche.
By the way, anyone here inclined to see me as a prude- I'm not, and I don't mean to sound condescending or authoritative in saying this, but though I may be as desensitized by fictitious violence as anyone, I also know how to view things with discrimination, skepticism and critical thinking and the fact that these skills are not often taught by parents and teachers might also be a factor.
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I cannot believe what I have just watched.
This is so fucking sad and scary.
To think people can be that brutal to a guy scared and not fighting back.
Any one of those kicks could have killed him
Kids are just getting worse and worse.
Terribly sad what society has become.
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When I see this sort of thing, I can't help but wonder where society went wrong in the last 30 years. When I was a kid, parents taught their kids to fight, to defend themselves from the playground bully because fights were common and bullies just needed standing up to.
We're a much more violent society since the 80s. What the Hell happened to us???
Excellent question, Jeanwah. My hunch, again my hunch is TV, movies, video games. I remember going to a movie theater in San Francisco several years ago and seeing a violent biker movie. The movie was sort of like violence porn and only shown in the seediest small independent theaters. (This was not my idea of a good time by the way. A guy I knew back then said, "Hey lets to to the movies and see something different. Different alright. :( ) About a year later another friend (yes, I had some strange friends way back then :? ) suggested we go see this new Movie, "Dirty Harry". This movie was touted as the first ultra violent movie to gain mass popularity and acceptance. It was just the beginning. You can probably watch that movie on TV today. As a society, we've been desensitized to pointless violence and then taken it a step further to where we now idolize, promote, sell and profit from violence. As long as it sells-- and it does, big time-- it will continue to affect our collective psyche.
By the way, anyone here inclined to see me as a prude- I'm not, and I don't mean to sound condescending or authoritative in saying this, but though I may be as desensitized by fictitious violence as anyone, I also know how to view things with discrimination, skepticism and critical thinking and the fact that these skills are not often taught by parents and teachers might also be a factor.
I have the Ps3 game Grand Theft Auto, and although it says 17+ on the box, I know parents who let their kids and kids under 17 play this. On the box it says: Strong Language, Intense Violence, Blood and Gore, Strong Sexual Content, and Use of Drugs. Not to mention the killing of police and hiring hookers for blowjobs..
I feel like a hypocrite playing this game, but no one under 18 should be playing this.
I play this game in my 30's and sometimes I get in my car and it almost seems OK to just ram the shit out of some people on the road. Very desensitizing.
This crap has always gone on. Lets not blame movies and video games.. I'm willing to bet some of these kids come from violent households and parents that don't really care about them.
There were plenty of violent movies and video games I watched as a teenager in the 90s. Never did that translate to the real world. BIG difference.
If you are blaming video games, you are ignoring the real problem.
Just because digital film is easily accessable now, doesn't mean this stuff never happened before.
This crap has always gone on. Lets not blame movies and video games.. I'm willing to bet some of these kids come from violent households and parents that don't really care about them.
I'm not solely blaming video games, but it surely doesnt help. Besides, I assume you are inferring that the issues start with their parents. I'd agree -- I think that is a majority of it. But whats to be said for parents that let their 10 year old play Grand Theft Auto? That's poor parenting, imo...
There were plenty of violent movies and video games I watched as a teenager in the 90s. Never did that translate to the real world. BIG difference.
If you are blaming video games, you are ignoring the real problem.
Just because digital film is easily accessable now, doesn't mean this stuff never happened before.
Great, you are one example of a kid who watched violent movies in the 90s and didnt go beat the shit out of someone for no reason. So because it didnt happen to you, it doesnt happen to anybody? The old, "I watched violent movies and I turned out fine" doesnt mean shit in the bigger picture. So what.
But I do agree that this stuff has likely always happened. We might not have seen it as often because not everyone had a video camera 30 years ago...
a group of people go nuts on a dude, beating him senceless. this is a mad mob scene. they feed off one another striking in pack form, this is how large groups of violent shits work.
they are cowardly and when alone have zero fighting ability and would run and or get beat down and cry for their moms 99% of the time.
this kind of thing happened to me on a number of occasions but never as severe as this because i fought back and was never flat out jumped by that many kids, maybe 3 or 4 kids vs' me by myself. this is why i can fight, have a bad attitude at times, and take zero crap and generally would rather walk than fight. but if they must fight with me, i am breakin some fuckers' heads.
in the ymca shower men's locker room i was jumped by 3 kids all spitting on me as i tried showering after a swim. i was alone and my heart pumping. i was in the boxing club and took kick boxing, ect. i kicked them and punched them as hard and as often as i could. kicked one in the chest so hard he couldn't breathe and fell out cold as a dead fish smackin his head on the tiled shower room floor. his buddy's goin, "wtf?"
stupid cocksuckers...
another time, my first fight outside my two brothers. a group of kids kicking the shit out of this dude in my class, im in what? 1st grade maybe? me and my friend walking home from school said, "hey leave our friend alone" they then beat me up. i was being punched and kicked. one kneed me square in the eye. stupid bastard gave me my first black eye. they were only junior high kids :twisted:
kids are evil little bastards
so yeah, all i done when i young was defend myself, my family and friends. i grew to enjoy a little blood, broken glass and fuckin some dumb asshole up. women beaters being great targets
a group of people go nuts on a dude, beating him senceless. this is a mad mob scene. they feed off one another striking in pack form, this is how large groups of violent shits work.
they are cowardly and when alone have zero fighting ability and would run and or get beat down and cry for their moms 99% of the time.
this kind of thing happened to me on a number of occasions but never as severe as this because i fought back and was never flat out jumped by that many kids, maybe 3 or 4 kids vs' me by myself. this is why i can fight, have a bad attitude at times, and take zero crap and generally would rather walk than fight. but if they must fight with me, i am breakin some fuckers' heads.
in the ymca shower men's locker room i was jumped by 3 kids all spitting on me as i tried showering after a swim. i was alone and my heart pumping. i was in the boxing club and took kick boxing, ect. i kicked them and punched them as hard and as often as i could. kicked one in the chest so hard he couldn't breathe and fell out cold as a dead fish smackin his head on the tiled shower room floor. his buddy's goin, "wtf?"
stupid cocksuckers...
another time, my first fight outside my two brothers. a group of kids kicking the shit out of this dude in my class, im in what? 1st grade maybe? me and my friend walking home from school said, "hey leave our friend alone" they then beat me up. i was being punched and kicked. one kneed me square in the eye. stupid bastard gave me my first black eye. they were only junior high kids :twisted:
kids are evil little bastards
so yeah, all i done when i young was defend myself, my family and friends. i grew to enjoy a little blood, broken glass and fuckin some dumb asshole up. women beaters being great targets
If an adult walked from around the corner and said "what the hell is going on" these little shits would have booked..
I can't believe nobody investigated what was going on in the alley. Someone had to have heard it.
less tissue on their frontal lobes
maybe this sort of thing(violent personality) is passed down from generation to generation or it could skip a generation...maybe ??
Godfather.
they're little bastards each one of em. each a coward as well. their parents cowards? i dunno. their parents little bastards? i dunno.
agreed they are little shits that need a swift kick in the ass but in most cases kids learn what they're tought and some times I think it's in the genes...that dose not make it ok to act that way, rotton little shits.
agreed they are little shits that need a swift kick in the ass but in most cases kids learn what they're tought and some times I think it's in the genes...that dose not make it ok to act that way, rotton little shits.
Godfather.
the kids i fought with almost on a daily basis were rich kids who lived with their parents in new large upscale homes. they wore new and in style clothes and their parents had new cars and things. they did not like me and my brothers because we didn't have that kind of money. so we fought and things. and they started it pretty much every single time.
in my eyes rich kids dislike poor kids because their clothes are not new and in fashion, the family car a beater and the house not a dream home. for these kinds of things i got bloody, bruised, and in trouble often.
i once got beat up for wearing a old brown coat. at catholic school mind you...
When I see this sort of thing, I can't help but wonder where society went wrong in the last 30 years. When I was a kid, parents taught their kids to fight, to defend themselves from the playground bully because fights were common and bullies just needed standing up to.
We're a much more violent society since the 80s. What the Hell happened to us???
Excellent question, Jeanwah. My hunch, again my hunch is TV, movies, video games. I remember going to a movie theater in San Francisco several years ago and seeing a violent biker movie. The movie was sort of like violence porn and only shown in the seediest small independent theaters. (This was not my idea of a good time by the way. A guy I knew back then said, "Hey lets to to the movies and see something different. Different alright. :( ) About a year later another friend (yes, I had some strange friends way back then :? ) suggested we go see this new Movie, "Dirty Harry". This movie was touted as the first ultra violent movie to gain mass popularity and acceptance. It was just the beginning. You can probably watch that movie on TV today. As a society, we've been desensitized to pointless violence and then taken it a step further to where we now idolize, promote, sell and profit from violence. As long as it sells-- and it does, big time-- it will continue to affect our collective psyche.
By the way, anyone here inclined to see me as a prude- I'm not, and I don't mean to sound condescending or authoritative in saying this, but though I may be as desensitized by fictitious violence as anyone, I also know how to view things with discrimination, skepticism and critical thinking and the fact that these skills are not often taught by parents and teachers might also be a factor.
if you really want to watch a movie where violence escalates, Rambo is a prime example.
but the thing I have a problem with in talking about causation or correlation, and I know behavioral sciences do their best to take this stuff into consideration, but what other problems have been on the rise during that same time...more urbanization? more people in general? more single parent households? etc...
It just has never sit well with me that violence isn't part of human nature. That is what is said when things like video games are blamed...it says to me, it wasn't their fault, they were corrupted by outside factors...Humans are violent, we are animals...most likely we are in the middle of our evolution and that violence may lose out in the end but for now it is here. We can do our best to try and minimize it, or marginalize it, but it is here. Watching this...it is a mob mentality...it is like a riot...most people in it don't know how it started, or even why they are participating, a mob truly has a mind of its own.
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Know that is the kind of hard hitting research I'm looking for! My gut reaction after watching Rambo IV is that it was the most violent movie I had seen since Robocop 2 ... although I still think that Robocop's acting and range of emotions stood well above the efforts of Stallone.
Not trying to be too confrontational... but these boys are to blame.
The parents are likely dickheads, but regardless, we don't give young people enough credit for being responsible. They generally know the difference between right and wrong and many choose wrong opting for lame apologies that mean nothing afterwards to relieve them from penalty.
A lethargic and leniant society with limp-wristed penal and judicial systems and an eager willingness to pardon criminals for their acts is at fault here.
I blame the parenting or lackthere of fucking kids they suck i'm a parent of two teens boy & girl if they ever did anything remotely close to this they would be in shit for yrs with me .....yeah it's the parents fault
I hear you but i know that the way i've taught my two kids to behave and not behave i can honestly say that my two would never ever do some shit like this , yeah in the end the kids are the one's that have to be blamed for their actions but i bet some of their behavior can be traced right back to their household .....and i agree we here in this counrty are to leniant with all criminals ....
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Same thing happened to me and a friend too. I got lucky though...my friend though, I could not protect from the 7 guys that attacked us. He almost got his jaw knocked off, and was eating through a straw for over a month...Completely unprovoked. Sometimes I wonder if we need to test testosterone levels and drain some of these idiots.
are often learning this at home, from young on. Factor in that sometimes
'apples don't fall far from trees'
and you have a new generation of thoughtless cruel people.
The followers for me personally are much more responsible for incidents.
They feed the bully, fear the bully, support the bully, and make it possible
for bullies to rule ...
when all they have to do is say no, I won't hurt another human being.
I would have called the cops and then confronted them.
If they want to take a shot at me, I won't play pretty.
don't think it's a hate crime ... you can only identify one youth ... they could be asian or black or whatever ... you don't know ... i suspect it has nothing to do with hate ... just thugs ...
kids trying to be bad-asses and not realizing that a bad ass kid would be the one who tried to stop such a scene. Kids are followers and that can be explained away to a certain point. NOT to this point though. Just straight up disturbing. Agree that it is not likely a 'hate crime' but a serious crime nonetheless.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
maybe this sort of thing(violent personality) is passed down from generation to generation or it could skip a generation...maybe ??
Godfather.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Not trying to be too confrontational... but these boys are to blame.
The parents are likely dickheads, but regardless, we don't give young people enough credit for being responsible. They generally know the difference between right and wrong and many choose wrong opting for lame apologies that mean nothing afterwards to relieve them from penalty.
A lethargic and leniant society with limp-wristed penal and judicial systems and an eager willingness to pardon criminals for their acts is at fault here.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
By the way, anyone here inclined to see me as a prude- I'm not, and I don't mean to sound condescending or authoritative in saying this, but though I may be as desensitized by fictitious violence as anyone, I also know how to view things with discrimination, skepticism and critical thinking and the fact that these skills are not often taught by parents and teachers might also be a factor.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Robbery....
Both felonies.......
Only 1 person charged as an adult....
6 charged as juveniles.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
This is so fucking sad and scary.
To think people can be that brutal to a guy scared and not fighting back.
Any one of those kicks could have killed him
Kids are just getting worse and worse.
Terribly sad what society has become.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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the tribune says that douche's face was clearly visible.
one was a girl.
I have the Ps3 game Grand Theft Auto, and although it says 17+ on the box, I know parents who let their kids and kids under 17 play this. On the box it says: Strong Language, Intense Violence, Blood and Gore, Strong Sexual Content, and Use of Drugs. Not to mention the killing of police and hiring hookers for blowjobs..
I feel like a hypocrite playing this game, but no one under 18 should be playing this.
I play this game in my 30's and sometimes I get in my car and it almost seems OK to just ram the shit out of some people on the road. Very desensitizing.
This crap has always gone on. Lets not blame movies and video games.. I'm willing to bet some of these kids come from violent households and parents that don't really care about them.
There were plenty of violent movies and video games I watched as a teenager in the 90s. Never did that translate to the real world. BIG difference.
If you are blaming video games, you are ignoring the real problem.
Just because digital film is easily accessable now, doesn't mean this stuff never happened before.
I'm not solely blaming video games, but it surely doesnt help. Besides, I assume you are inferring that the issues start with their parents. I'd agree -- I think that is a majority of it. But whats to be said for parents that let their 10 year old play Grand Theft Auto? That's poor parenting, imo...
Great, you are one example of a kid who watched violent movies in the 90s and didnt go beat the shit out of someone for no reason. So because it didnt happen to you, it doesnt happen to anybody? The old, "I watched violent movies and I turned out fine" doesnt mean shit in the bigger picture. So what.
But I do agree that this stuff has likely always happened. We might not have seen it as often because not everyone had a video camera 30 years ago...
they are cowardly and when alone have zero fighting ability and would run and or get beat down and cry for their moms 99% of the time.
this kind of thing happened to me on a number of occasions but never as severe as this because i fought back and was never flat out jumped by that many kids, maybe 3 or 4 kids vs' me by myself. this is why i can fight, have a bad attitude at times, and take zero crap and generally would rather walk than fight. but if they must fight with me, i am breakin some fuckers' heads.
in the ymca shower men's locker room i was jumped by 3 kids all spitting on me as i tried showering after a swim. i was alone and my heart pumping. i was in the boxing club and took kick boxing, ect. i kicked them and punched them as hard and as often as i could. kicked one in the chest so hard he couldn't breathe and fell out cold as a dead fish smackin his head on the tiled shower room floor. his buddy's goin, "wtf?"
stupid cocksuckers...
another time, my first fight outside my two brothers. a group of kids kicking the shit out of this dude in my class, im in what? 1st grade maybe? me and my friend walking home from school said, "hey leave our friend alone" they then beat me up. i was being punched and kicked. one kneed me square in the eye. stupid bastard gave me my first black eye. they were only junior high kids :twisted:
kids are evil little bastards
so yeah, all i done when i young was defend myself, my family and friends. i grew to enjoy a little blood, broken glass and fuckin some dumb asshole up. women beaters being great targets
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
If an adult walked from around the corner and said "what the hell is going on" these little shits would have booked..
I can't believe nobody investigated what was going on in the alley. Someone had to have heard it.
agreed they are little shits that need a swift kick in the ass but in most cases kids learn what they're tought and some times I think it's in the genes...that dose not make it ok to act that way, rotton little shits.
Godfather.
the kids i fought with almost on a daily basis were rich kids who lived with their parents in new large upscale homes. they wore new and in style clothes and their parents had new cars and things. they did not like me and my brothers because we didn't have that kind of money. so we fought and things. and they started it pretty much every single time.
in my eyes rich kids dislike poor kids because their clothes are not new and in fashion, the family car a beater and the house not a dream home. for these kinds of things i got bloody, bruised, and in trouble often.
i once got beat up for wearing a old brown coat. at catholic school mind you...
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
if you really want to watch a movie where violence escalates, Rambo is a prime example.
but the thing I have a problem with in talking about causation or correlation, and I know behavioral sciences do their best to take this stuff into consideration, but what other problems have been on the rise during that same time...more urbanization? more people in general? more single parent households? etc...
It just has never sit well with me that violence isn't part of human nature. That is what is said when things like video games are blamed...it says to me, it wasn't their fault, they were corrupted by outside factors...Humans are violent, we are animals...most likely we are in the middle of our evolution and that violence may lose out in the end but for now it is here. We can do our best to try and minimize it, or marginalize it, but it is here. Watching this...it is a mob mentality...it is like a riot...most people in it don't know how it started, or even why they are participating, a mob truly has a mind of its own.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Know that is the kind of hard hitting research I'm looking for! My gut reaction after watching Rambo IV is that it was the most violent movie I had seen since Robocop 2 ... although I still think that Robocop's acting and range of emotions stood well above the efforts of Stallone.
I hear you but i know that the way i've taught my two kids to behave and not behave i can honestly say that my two would never ever do some shit like this , yeah in the end the kids are the one's that have to be blamed for their actions but i bet some of their behavior can be traced right back to their household .....and i agree we here in this counrty are to leniant with all criminals ....
That one of these kids would have a father who was a cop......
And I would have been correct.....
And I am glad to hear that the kid being charged as an adult.....
Whose father is a Cook County Sherrifs Deputy......
Cant afford to post bail!!!!
GOOD!!!
Keep that little prick in jail.........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....