Ron Paul surging in SC...

inlet13

Go Beavers wrote:

Why will he fade? Because Ron wont finish higher than 3rd in any state here on out, and people will hear over and over that it's between Romney and Santorum/Gingrich, and people don't want to vote for a loser.

I get what you are saying. But, I believe he'll outlast both Santorum and Gingrich. Reason being - they are both awful candidates and voters, including conservatives, know it deep down. I agree that SC won't be a RP state. But, if he could even get 3rd there it would be a good showing. FL will be interesting. I see him finishing higher post-FL. For instance, I bet he does real well in NV and ME. By that time, it will be a two or three man race. My bet is it will be a two man race by late-February/early-March... one of which will be Ron Paul the other, of course, will be Romney.

I admit he's got very little shot at the nomination, but I am really very impressed with what he's done so far and I really think you just never know what could happen. I honestly believe he has better odds to win than Santorum or Gingrich and I don't believe he'll run third party if he loses. I think Ron Paul learned a lot from Nader. You don't change anything by running third party other than who is elected. Nader basically elected GWB and did nothing else in his presidential run. The truth is the two parties are very similar, Nader and Paul know this. But, the only way to make lasting change is to change the party from within by adjusting it's platform, not forcing change by running on an outside ticket. I believe Ron Paul's slowly doing that.... and personally, I think this is good for both parties and the US at large because the truth is we need both parties platforms to be more malleable.

brandon10

I don't understand how the liberals on the train refuse to support Ron Paul against the rest of the GOP field.

The biggest issue anyone in the United States should have is foreign policy. And the only progressive candidate for president on foreign policy is Ron Paul. (including Obama)

The least I would think liberals would like to do is get Paul in as Obama's opponent in the general election. So that the debate will be about real issues instead of who loves America more and other bullshit like that.

polaris_x

brandon10 wrote:

I don't understand how the liberals on the train refuse to support Ron Paul against the rest of the GOP field.

The biggest issue anyone in the United States should have is foreign policy. And the only progressive candidate for president on foreign policy is Ron Paul. (including Obama)

The least I would think liberals would like to do is get Paul in as Obama's opponent in the general election. So that the debate will be about real issues instead of who loves America more and other bullshit like that.

those are the peeps who still think the problems are philosophical ...

WaveRyder

Go Beavers wrote:

Why will he fade? Because Ron wont finish higher than 3rd in any state here on out, and people will hear over and over that it's between Romney and Santorum/Gingrich, and people don't want to vote for a loser.

ron paul is the only candidate on the ballot in all 50 states besides Romney.

whygohome

He looked weak the other night. At least he didn't look like a clown like the rest of them though.

gimmesometruth27

i just saw a poll that has romney way up in south carolina....

we shall see how it turns out...

whygohome

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i just saw a poll that has romney way up in south carolina....

we shall see how it turns out...

Romney will be sworn in in about a year. For some reason people will vote for Gordon Gecko. My friends and family on Wall St. and in the financial/banking industry hate Romney. A few of them have some very harsh words for the individuals--mostly blue collar, mostly working class who benefit from government (government projects, such as infrastructure, not handouts)--that I won't repeat here for fear of being kicked off the Train. For some reason, people are delusional enough to believe that there is a connect between Wall St. and Main St. They believe that what happens on Wall St. and what the banks do is capitalism. My friends on Wall St. strongly disagree ("those dolts are fooling themselves," my friend--semiretired at 31 after 10 years on Wall St-- who I went to PJ20 with said). Nobody gives 2 shits about Main St.

The GOP is simply better at campaigns of this type. 2008 wasn't a fluke, but the country was sick and tired of Republican rule, and Obama represented the "change" that the nation wanted.

see: Lee Atwater and the 1988 campaign (Atwater was later diagnosed with brain cancer and apologized for his disgusting political life. He died in 1991. Many GOP strategists and political historians feel that Bush I would have defeated Clinton if Atwater were still alive)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib ... fixin.html.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/st ... badboy.htm
see: the 2000 campaign...not against Gore, but against McCain. 2004 also
see: the 2004 campaign

They had what it took to put a spoiled brat Texas moron who accomplished nothing in his life other than having everything handed to him by his daddy--Yale, oil enterprises, avoiding Vietnam (but he sent thousands to die for oil), political career as a neocon puppet--and yet was still a complete failure in life. But, the GOP campaign strategy was so well-constructed and implemented that they fooled the people into believing that this silver spoon shithead was "one of us."

We are much more dumb than we like to admit.

WaveRyder

whygohome wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i just saw a poll that has romney way up in south carolina....

we shall see how it turns out...

Romney will be sworn in in about a year. For some reason people will vote for Gordon Gecko. My friends and family on Wall St. and in the financial/banking industry hate Romney. A few of them have some very harsh words for the individuals--mostly blue collar, mostly working class who benefit from government (government projects, such as infrastructure, not handouts)--that I won't repeat here for fear of being kicked off the Train. For some reason, people are delusional enough to believe that there is a connect between Wall St. and Main St. They believe that what happens on Wall St. and what the banks do is capitalism. My friends on Wall St. strongly disagree ("those dolts are fooling themselves," my friend--semiretired at 31 after 10 years on Wall St-- who I went to PJ20 with said). Nobody gives 2 shits about Main St.

The GOP is simply better at campaigns of this type. 2008 wasn't a fluke, but the country was sick and tired of Republican rule, and Obama represented the "change" that the nation wanted.

see: Lee Atwater and the 1988 campaign (Atwater was later diagnosed with brain cancer and apologized for his disgusting political life. He died in 1991. Many GOP strategists and political historians feel that Bush I would have defeated Clinton if Atwater were still alive)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib ... fixin.html.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/st ... badboy.htm
see: the 2000 campaign...not against Gore, but against McCain. 2004 also
see: the 2004 campaign

They had what it took to put a spoiled brat Texas moron who accomplished nothing in his life other than having everything handed to him by his daddy--Yale, oil enterprises, avoiding Vietnam (but he sent thousands to die for oil), political career as a neocon puppet--and yet was still a complete failure in life. But, the GOP campaign strategy was so well-constructed and implemented that they fooled the people into believing that this silver spoon shithead was "one of us."

We are much more dumb than we like to admit.

End the fed and there would be a connection between wall street and main street.

whygohome

WaveRyder wrote:

whygohome wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i just saw a poll that has romney way up in south carolina....

we shall see how it turns out...

Romney will be sworn in in about a year. For some reason people will vote for Gordon Gecko. My friends and family on Wall St. and in the financial/banking industry hate Romney. A few of them have some very harsh words for the individuals--mostly blue collar, mostly working class who benefit from government (government projects, such as infrastructure, not handouts)--that I won't repeat here for fear of being kicked off the Train. For some reason, people are delusional enough to believe that there is a connect between Wall St. and Main St. They believe that what happens on Wall St. and what the banks do is capitalism. My friends on Wall St. strongly disagree ("those dolts are fooling themselves," my friend--semiretired at 31 after 10 years on Wall St-- who I went to PJ20 with said). Nobody gives 2 shits about Main St.

The GOP is simply better at campaigns of this type. 2008 wasn't a fluke, but the country was sick and tired of Republican rule, and Obama represented the "change" that the nation wanted.

see: Lee Atwater and the 1988 campaign (Atwater was later diagnosed with brain cancer and apologized for his disgusting political life. He died in 1991. Many GOP strategists and political historians feel that Bush I would have defeated Clinton if Atwater were still alive)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib ... fixin.html.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/st ... badboy.htm
see: the 2000 campaign...not against Gore, but against McCain. 2004 also
see: the 2004 campaign

They had what it took to put a spoiled brat Texas moron who accomplished nothing in his life other than having everything handed to him by his daddy--Yale, oil enterprises, avoiding Vietnam (but he sent thousands to die for oil), political career as a neocon puppet--and yet was still a complete failure in life. But, the GOP campaign strategy was so well-constructed and implemented that they fooled the people into believing that this silver spoon shithead was "one of us."

We are much more dumb than we like to admit.

End the fed and there would be a connection between wall street and main street.

Explain.......or do I have to read Ron Paul's book?

WaveRyder

whygohome wrote:

Explain.......or do I have to read Ron Paul's book?

You can pick up Ron Paul's End The Fed at Walmart for $4 right now.

WaveRyder

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catefrances

WaveRyder wrote:

...End The Fed at Walmart...

what a weird name for a book.

WaveRyder

That was an awesome debate

DriftingByTheStorm

So far Fox News has outright lied twice tonight, stating that Ron Paul came in 3rd in New Hampshire, when he actually came in SECOND.

Google Results wrote:

Mitt Romney 97,532 39.3%
Ron Paul 56,848 22.9%
Jon Huntsman 41,945 16.9%
Newt Gingrich 23,411 9.4%
Rick Santorum 23,362 9.4%
Rick Perry 1,766 0.7%
Other 3,621 1.5%

So ...

Orwell says hello
? ? ?

mca47

Last place. I'm not a Paul fan, but he makes the most sense of all of those clowns.

DriftingByTheStorm

mca47 wrote:

Last place. I'm not a Paul fan, but he makes the most sense of all of those clowns.

Ron Paul is up from 4% in 2008 in SC to 12% this time around.

I thought this comment (from RonPaulForums) was pretty representative of the truth:

"Yeah South Carolina and Florida should be skipped all together, they are overly represented by a generation that is fading out. Tonights results show a party and people even in this state trending towards liberty and freedom. Triple 08' results. Even this state is ours to come very soon"

I never thought of it that way but it is so true. SC and Florida are both very heavy in old resort\golf town-ers.

Just an observation.

Prince Of Dorkness

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i just saw a poll that has romney way up in south carolina....

we shall see how it turns out...

He got hosed.

And I mean hosed bad. Hosed like the new guy in cell block C.

Republicans hate Romney. Liberals dislike him more. Moderates think he's kinda slimy.

The extreme right would rather have Satan than a Mormon.

Wait til he releases his financials and we find out the rumors that he donated 3 million dollars (about 10% of the total) to pass proposition 8.

Obama will be crowned emperor running against Gingrich, Romney or santorum. Ron Paul... Obama would still win but it won't be the blood bath the others would face.

WaveRyder

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

mca47 wrote:

Last place. I'm not a Paul fan, but he makes the most sense of all of those clowns.

Ron Paul is up from 4% in 2008 in SC to 12% this time around.

I thought this comment (from RonPaulForums) was pretty representative of the truth:

"Yeah South Carolina and Florida should be skipped all together, they are overly represented by a generation that is fading out. Tonights results show a party and people even in this state trending towards liberty and freedom. Triple 08' results. Even this state is ours to come very soon"

I never thought of it that way but it is so true. SC and Florida are both very heavy in old resort\golf town-ers.

Just an observation.

he got a 400 percent increase in votes this time. the revolution continues