Ron Paul surging in SC...

inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
edited January 2012 in A Moving Train
Here's a new demo called "in the fire":

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  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    and nationally......no one has his momentum,,,,,except mitt
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    inlet13 wrote:


    fantastic

    my only fear is that we are too far out from the vote.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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  • One poll has Colbert at 5%- ahead of Huntsman. (according to Colbert that is)
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Ron Paul's campaign is a scam.... "but he's the only honest candidate" No. He's a scumbag like the rest of them. He knows he can't win. I've been watching this shit for over 15 years. It's just another phony revolution... there's an entire industry behind it... it's a road to nowhere but political zealotry... and libertarianism is not about freedom anyway. http://www.inspiracy.com/black/abolitio ... arian.html
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    kenny olav wrote:
    Ron Paul's campaign is a scam.... "but he's the only honest candidate" No. He's a scumbag like the rest of them. He knows he can't win. I've been watching this shit for over 15 years. It's just another phony revolution... there's an entire industry behind it... it's a road to nowhere but political zealotry... and libertarianism is not about freedom anyway. http://www.inspiracy.com/black/abolitio ... arian.html
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    It would certainly make things interesting if he got the vote. But he won't, because big business and their media lapdogs won't let it happen.
  • Libratarianism is about freedom.

    The freedom to fuck over anyone and everyone you can with no consequences or accountability.
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    edited January 2012
    Byrnzie wrote:
    It would certainly make things interesting if he got the vote. But he won't, because big business and their media lapdogs won't let it happen.

    I don't buy the idea that media is trying to kill his campaign either. It seems to me he gets plenty of coverage. He was in all of the debates... unlike Gov. Gary Johnson. I think it's more likely that they like his presence because he's a kooky character and it's easy to marginalize him and the people who support him. He may be talking about some issues that the other candidates don't talk about, but they don't mind because they can say 'this is what the weird old man thinks'. They don't see his candidacy as a threat, but rather as an asset. That's my analysis. I guess you can take it or leave it.
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Libratarianism is about freedom.

    The freedom to fuck over anyone and everyone you can with no consequences or accountability.

    Much like the way Ron Paul's campaign fleeces many young (and some elderly) idealists with his money bombs. Oh, and you can also buy one of his many fanciful books about freedom and liberty: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/c/Ron-Pau ... ul%20books

    Sorry, but this guy really needs to be dissected, and that's what AMT is for, right? If you think I'm out of line, feel free to challenge me. But I am convinced that he's just another pied piper. His supporters can keep acting like their savior is being crucified by the media and that's why he'll never win any primaries, but really there's just not that many people who go for what he's selling. Because most Republicans like the more traditional Republican brand, as simple as that. I would have to agree with the many Paul supporters who say that people who support the other candidates are acting like sheep, but Ron Paul is just a different kind of shepherd who attracts the smarter sheep. Sorry for calling a bunch of you sheep, but I kinda think Ralph Nader was a pied piper of the left and I also fell prey to what sounded like sweet music to my ears back in 2000. I never donated more than, say $30 to his campaign, but it's still $30 that went down the drain.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Libratarianism is about freedom.

    The freedom to fuck over anyone and everyone you can with no consequences or accountability.
    Why don't you learn something about it. There would be more individual protection if we were more libertarian as property rights would be stronger. You are confusing it with government sponsored free markets...which aren't really free. You violate someone's rights you are held accountable and corporations don't have ridiculous protections in the legal system.
    Please explain to me how it is about the right to fuck someone else over? Jesus Christ...you can disagree but why make shit up...
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    kenny olav wrote:
    Libratarianism is about freedom.

    The freedom to fuck over anyone and everyone you can with no consequences or accountability.

    Much like the way Ron Paul's campaign fleeces many young (and some elderly) idealists with his money bombs. Oh, and you can also buy one of his many fanciful books about freedom and liberty: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/c/Ron-Pau ... ul%20books

    Sorry, but this guy really needs to be dissected, and that's what AMT is for, right? If you think I'm out of line, feel free to challenge me. But I am convinced that he's just another pied piper. His supporters can keep acting like their savior is being crucified by the media and that's why he'll never win any primaries, but really there's just not that many people who go for what he's selling. Because most Republicans like the more traditional Republican brand, as simple as that. I would have to agree with the many Paul supporters who say that people who support the other candidates are acting like sheep, but Ron Paul is just a different kind of shepherd who attracts the smarter sheep. Sorry for calling a bunch of you sheep, but I kinda think Ralph Nader was a pied piper of the left and I also fell prey to what sounded like sweet music to my ears back in 2000. I never donated more than, say $30 to his campaign, but it's still $30 that went down the drain.

    Jesus Christ .... Sorry you feel taken...but you backed a candidate...how did you get fleeced...you participated...just because your guy didn't win doesn't mean it wasn't worth supporting....it isn't just about policy for me...he votes with integrity...how many other politicians can say that...he isn't perfect...he is a politician...but if you can point to another one who has been consistent throuh 12 terms as a rep I would love to see it. Jesus Christ most can't make it through the campaign without back trqcking and flip flopping
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    “Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.”
    ― Ron Paul
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  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
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  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
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  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Jesus Christ most can't make it through the campaign without back trqcking and flip flopping

    like this guys....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c
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  • mikepegg44 wrote:
    Why don't you learn something about it.

    I know all I need to know. Anyone who names their kid after a person like Ayn Rand, whose mantra was "fuck people over if it serves you," is going to fuck me over if it serves him.

    The whole "free market" thing would be a great away to make us more like India with a tiny mega-rich population and a massive desperately poor underclass of people working for slave wages. All in the name of "self-interest."
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Why don't you learn something about it.

    I know all I need to know. Anyone who names their kid after a person like Ayn Rand, whose mantra was "fuck people over if it serves you," is going to fuck me over if it serves him.

    The whole "free market" thing would be a great away to make us more like India with a tiny mega-rich population and a massive desperately poor underclass of people working for slave wages. All in the name of "self-interest."


    you're suggesting the government can provide for humanity better than humanity? You do realize your post equates to textbook facism, right?

    and if your sugggesting we'd let people die in the streets before helping our neighbors, youre wrong. Libertariansim is based on helping your neighbors, not paying the government to do it. Community, church and goodwill made the difference. Now, we turn to govt to make the difference. Kind of disgusting if you ask me.
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  • WaveRyder wrote:
    you're suggesting the government can provide for humanity better than humanity? You do realize your post equates to textbook facism, right?

    Yes. Saying "there should be a minimum wage and it should be illegal to lie to your customers and sell them a product that doesn't work and will kill them" is FACISM!!

    Saying "the people pay taxes that pay for these roads and bridges and infrastructure, the companies that use thos roads and bridges to ship their products to make billions should also pay for them" is FACISM!!

    The facist will help a little old lady across the street. The libertarian will push her in front of the car and steal her purse.
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128

    The facist will help a little old lady across the street. The libertarian will push her in front of the car and steal her purse.

    actually, the facists will pay the government to help a little old lady across the street. Libertarians get off their ass and do it themselves.
    RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    WaveRyder wrote:
    you're suggesting the government can provide for humanity better than humanity? You do realize your post equates to textbook facism, right?

    Yes. Saying "there should be a minimum wage and it should be illegal to lie to your customers and sell them a product that doesn't work and will kill them" is FACISM!!

    Saying "the people pay taxes that pay for these roads and bridges and infrastructure, the companies that use thos roads and bridges to ship their products to make billions should also pay for them" is FACISM!!

    The facist will help a little old lady across the street. The libertarian will push her in front of the car and steal her purse.


    and as far as minimum wage, ok your right. Lets make minimum wage a million dollars an hour then.
    RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    WaveRyder wrote:
    you're suggesting the government can provide for humanity better than humanity? You do realize your post equates to textbook facism, right?

    Yes. Saying "there should be a minimum wage and it should be illegal to lie to your customers and sell them a product that doesn't work and will kill them" is FACISM!!

    Saying "the people pay taxes that pay for these roads and bridges and infrastructure, the companies that use thos roads and bridges to ship their products to make billions should also pay for them" is FACISM!!

    The facist will help a little old lady across the street. The libertarian will push her in front of the car and steal her purse.

    you do well to read a history book or take a civics exam once in a while.
    RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
  • and if you're done using silly stories like that to make absurd arguments, we can actually talk.

    If you want me to believe that Ron or Rand Paul would ever help a little old lady across the street, you must think I'm stupider than Ron and Rand Paul.

    A libertarian doesn't do anything unless there's something in it for them. That's the whole central idea of "self interest" that they bang on all the time. I do not want someone like that running the country.
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    edited January 2012
    and if you're done using silly stories like that to make absurd arguments, we can actually talk.

    If you want me to believe that Ron or Rand Paul would ever help a little old lady across the street, you must think I'm stupider than Ron and Rand Paul.

    A libertarian doesn't do anything unless there's something in it for them. That's the whole central idea of "self interest" that they bang on all the time. I do not want someone like that running the country.

    sily stories? you brought up the old lady analogy

    you couldnt be more incorrect. I am a libertarian. You are suggesting I am heartless and only help others when it serves me. You are wrong and have a sad perception of your fellow man.
    RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
  • WaveRyder wrote:

    and as far as minimum wage, ok your right. Lets make minimum wage a million dollars an hour then.


    Really? That's your argument?

    "If I can't pay people slave wages, I have to pay them some totally absurd number" and you're trying to make ME look like I don't know what I'm talking about?

    Ugh. Arguing the Libertarians always ends up like this. I should know better.
  • WaveRyder wrote:
    You are wrong and have a sad perception of your fellow man.

    I wonder where I got that?

    Maybe from seeing how people will gleefully fuck over my community and family if it gets them votes, if it gets them donations for their campaign, if there's something in it for them.

    Must be nice to be a white, Christian, heterosexual male. So much easier to tell people that they just have to work harder if we want to be like them.
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    WaveRyder wrote:

    and as far as minimum wage, ok your right. Lets make minimum wage a million dollars an hour then.


    Really? That's your argument?

    "If I can't pay people slave wages, I have to pay them some totally absurd number" and you're trying to make ME look like I don't know what I'm talking about?

    Ugh. Arguing the Libertarians always ends up like this. I should know better.


    your suggesting the government should set an arbitrary minimum wage. Yeah, it looks good on paper, but the logic would imply that the level of wage could be set as high as a million dollars an hour or more. When America raised it's minimum wage, small businesses closed left and right, meaning less jobs. So, the peope who were fortunate enough to have a job did get paid more, but less people were working. You bleeding hearts are well intented, but it does more harm than good. There may have been a time in this country when a minimum wage was necessary but that pendulum has swung.
    RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    WaveRyder wrote:
    You are wrong and have a sad perception of your fellow man.

    I wonder where I got that?

    Maybe from seeing how people will gleefully fuck over my community and family if it gets them votes, if it gets them donations for their campaign, if there's something in it for them.

    Must be nice to be a white, Christian, heterosexual male. So much easier to tell people that they just have to work harder if we want to be like them.


    im not defending those things. True liberty has absolutely nothing to do with race, creed or sex. its a lack of liberty that has created those social problems.
    RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
  • WaveRyder wrote:
    and as far as minimum wage, ok your right. Lets make minimum wage a million dollars an hour then.

    How about keeping minimum wage at a reasonable rate that would allow lower income workers to continue to provide themselves with the basic necessities? It's amazing that the minimum wage is now being treated as some kind of welfare. Scrapping the minimum wage and basic workplace safety sounds an awful lot like making the US a new third-world country. Still, I suppose if your on the winning side (rich), that doesn't really matter.
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    WaveRyder wrote:
    and as far as minimum wage, ok your right. Lets make minimum wage a million dollars an hour then.

    How about keeping minimum wage at a reasonable rate that would allow lower income workers to continue to provide themselves with the basic necessities? It's amazing that the minimum wage is now being treated as some kind of welfare. Scrapping the minimum wage and basic workplace safety sounds an awful lot like making the US a new third-world country. Still, I suppose if your on the winning side (rich), that doesn't really matter.

    i feel that as the world gets smaller and communication becomes easier and easier, we'll need fewer and fewer regulations. People will be able to provide feedback and public backlash for inhouse policies in business and other organizations will be exposed. We wont need bureaucrats to do the exposing for us. If i go to a store all the time, tehn find out workers are treated poorly, ill shop somewhere else. We're not there yet, but it wont be long. The internet is changing everything and we're now able to hold everyone accountabw without much help from the federa government.
    RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
  • WaveRyderWaveRyder Posts: 1,128
    and if you're done using silly stories like that to make absurd arguments, we can actually talk.

    If you want me to believe that Ron or Rand Paul would ever help a little old lady across the street, you must think I'm stupider than Ron and Rand Paul.

    A libertarian doesn't do anything unless there's something in it for them. That's the whole central idea of "self interest" that they bang on all the time. I do not want someone like that running the country.


    this post is so absurd, i had to copy and paste in on my facebook wall. already has 20 comments. thanks for giving us a good laugh today.
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