We are doomed

keeponrockin

cincybearcat wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

I don't hate Tebow... but to think God intervened at a football game and not when people are dieing.. Yeah that god's an asshole...

I don't know...he is terrible and yet he still wins some games. I mean, how do you explain my Steelers...#1 pass defense giving up over 300 yards passing to Tim Tebow???? Something had to happen.

They played him wrong..

Tebow's TERRIBLE, but he's not as bad as the steelers thought he was. A simple prevent defence would've stopped that.

whygohome

inlet13 wrote:

Why do I need to do research on religion? To try equate myself to your mental capabilities? Why do you think you know more about religion than I do?... it couldn't be that you feel you are "intellectually superior" right.... cause... you already said you don't feel you are.

Hypocritical much?

What the hell are you talking about? Like an abandoned minting factory, you make no sense.

cincybearcat

keeponrockin wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

I don't hate Tebow... but to think God intervened at a football game and not when people are dieing.. Yeah that god's an asshole...

I don't know...he is terrible and yet he still wins some games. I mean, how do you explain my Steelers...#1 pass defense giving up over 300 yards passing to Tim Tebow???? Something had to happen.

They played him wrong..

Tebow's TERRIBLE, but he's not as bad as the steelers thought he was. A simple prevent defence would've stopped that.

Actually, I think there are several reasons...Broncos O-line was great, no pressure. And then mostly, Injuries. Ben, Mendenhall, Ryan Clark, Hampton, Keisel, Woodley's hammy still bothering him....I could go on. They were too beat up to play and had to take some chances. And Ike Taylor and William Gay were not up to the task. Especially Ike, worst game as a Steeler.

inlet13

whygohome wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Why do I need to do research on religion? To try equate myself to your mental capabilities? Why do you think you know more about religion than I do?... it couldn't be that you feel you are "intellectually superior" right.... cause... you already said you don't feel you are.

Hypocritical much?

What the hell are you talking about? Like an abandoned minting factory, you make no sense.

Explain how my post didn't make any sense. You completely contradicted yourself in one of your own posts (the one I quoted). I simply asked for an explanation.

whygohome

cincybearcat wrote:

whygohome wrote:

Google is not research. Research takes a bit more time
(Though I sense you were being facetious)

I was.

But since you brought it up, I have a question for you. When you state something here and someone either questions it or misunderstands, etc.... why do they need to do research? Should you, the person that posted the concept actually present that information as well? And then if they want to look more into it they can?

I honestly find it just as lazy to say "Do your research" as you probably think it is for me to think you should have provided the information.

I was simply relying on the idea that most know the general history of religions; and if they don't, then more research would be needed. Doing more research would simply yield a better understanding of the origins of religion--how they were forced upon civilizations, how they simply replaced "older" religions, such as Greek/Roman/Egyptian Mythology, paganism, etc.

Me saying "do some research" is simply a request that we look at religion in an historical perspective. I feel that we--you and I, the AMT, human civilization--would benefit from having historical knowledge, rather than simply relying on a more egotistical perspective. I define egotistical perspective as thinking that we are the apex of civilization (that we are "right"), or the inability to look beyond our generation, our 70-80 years of existence.

Anyway, here is some research that I feel is worthwhile.
The Bible--yes, it is good to know about this book for research purposes
Joseph Campbell--The Hero with a Thousand Faces
Thomas Paine-The Age of Reason
Bill Laurentzin--The Invention of God
Any definitive works done on Greek/Roman/Egy mythologies
CS Lewis-Til We Have Faces.....maybe, been a while since I read it.
Nietzche
19th and 20th century French Philosophy

whygohome

inlet13 wrote:

whygohome wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Why do I need to do research on religion? To try equate myself to your mental capabilities? Why do you think you know more about religion than I do?... it couldn't be that you feel you are "intellectually superior" right.... cause... you already said you don't feel you are.

Hypocritical much?

What the hell are you talking about? Like an abandoned minting factory, you make no sense.

Explain how my post didn't make any sense. You completely contradicted yourself in one of your own posts (the one I quoted). I simply asked for an explanation.

Saying that I educate myself and feel that I am more aware than most of the American population is not the same as me saying I am intellectually superior. I am the first one to admit that I know nothing. That is why I educate myself everyday--reading, researching, critical thinking.

My comment simply meant that the majority of the American public does not care to make the effort to educate themselves. I do care enough.

Very different things.

JonnyPistachio

whygohome wrote:

Poll: 43 percent of people think Tebow’s success is due to divine intervention … including 54 percent of Republicans

If this is indeed accurate, it is sad. I think these stupid polls are rigged, however. I do know some strange Christians that attribute the weirdest tihng to religion, but I just simply cant believe that they REALLY believe that Tim Tebow is getting help from God "to actually win". Perhaps its taken out of context, as in: they believe Tim Tebow has God in his life, and it is a positive direction and path for him to follow? I'd like to see how the question of the poll was phrased.

However, I just saw the video of the US Marines pissing on dead bodies in Afghanistan. If the US keeps up shit like this and other war related atrocities, we are definitely doomed.

whygohome

JonnyPistachio wrote:

whygohome wrote:

Poll: 43 percent of people think Tebow’s success is due to divine intervention … including 54 percent of Republicans

If this is indeed accurate, it is sad. I think these stupid polls are rigged, however. I do know some strange Christians that attribute the weirdest tihng to religion, but I just simply cant believe that they REALLY believe that Tim Tebow is getting help from God "to actually win". Perhaps its taken out of context, as in: they believe Tim Tebow has God in his life, and it is a positive direction and path for him to follow? I'd like to see how the question of the poll was phrased.

However, I just saw the video of the US Marines pissing on dead bodies in Afghanistan. If the US keeps up shit like this and other war related atrocities, we are definitely doomed.

Don't forget though, Jesus told George W. Bush that invading Iraq was the right decision.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
The Politics of Jesus

And, these (recent) politicians have stated that "God"/Jesus:
Michelle Bachman
Rick Perry
Herman Cain
Sarah Palin

mikepegg44

God did help Tim win. In the sense that Tebow's sense of faith in himself and his teammates stems from his faith in God. He believes anything is possible because he is able to believe that God does the impossible...

This kid didn't ask you to like him, but his belief in God is certainly an odd reason to hate him.

Aren't there worse things to care about

also

anyone have a link to that actual questions asked in the survey?

inlet13

cincybearcat wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

Tebow's TERRIBLE, but he's not as bad as the steelers thought he was. A simple prevent defence would've stopped that.

Actually, I think there are several reasons...Broncos O-line was great, no pressure. And then mostly, Injuries. Ben, Mendenhall, Ryan Clark, Hampton, Keisel, Woodley's hammy still bothering him....I could go on. They were too beat up to play and had to take some chances. And Ike Taylor and William Gay were not up to the task. Especially Ike, worst game as a Steeler.

If we're actually getting into football,... I agree injuries played a part. But, I think Tebow presents a completely different type of QB to cover. He's known to not have a good arm, but he's a very good runner. I think the Steelers played up (put more men in the box), to try to cover the run. And basically said, "if your WRs beat us on the outside you can have it... but, Tebow will have to beat us with his arm". He did.

In my opinion, analysts were getting on him because he has a different throwing motion than most QBs (that and, ummm... for some, it bothers them that he is overtly religious - see this thread). Anyway sticking with football, he may not be quite as accurate. But, the difference is, like a Mike Vick, he makes defenses adjust to his running ability. So, he opens things up on the outside; so it's not as necessary to have great accuracy. On top of that, in my opinion, although he doesn't have the accuracy, Tebow prepares and reads defenses a bit better than Mike Vick and is just plain bigger. So, although he has a lot of negatives to his game, his size and running ability make up for them.

Oh... and yeh, God likes him, so that's probably why he's good too.


Edit - one addition... I watched MoneyBall last night, great movie btw... but, in it, they showed that baseball players were often cast off if they played unconventionally. For example, they showed a pitcher who was valued very low because of his odd throwing style, but yet his statistics were through the roof. I think Tebow fits this sort of mold. He's got a very, very odd and slow throwing motion and he doesn't seem terribly accurate, but like I said above, he makes up for that in other areas.

whygohome

mikepegg44 wrote:

God did help Tim win. In the sense that Tebow's sense of faith in himself and his teammates stems from his faith in God. He believes anything is possible because he is able to believe that God does the impossible...

This kid didn't ask you to like him, but his belief in God is certainly an odd reason to hate him.

Aren't there worse things to care about

also

anyone have a link to that actual questions asked in the survey?

There's a pdf file in the article, but it shows that there was only one question: Do you believe that any of Tim Tebow's success can be attributed to divine intervention? (AMONG THOSE AWARE OF TEBOW)

http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/201 ... ogitude%29

Also, this thread has more to do with religion and the results of the poll, which are meant to represent the sentiments of the American public. Whether they do or not, is up for debate (new thread)

JonnyPistachio

inlet13 wrote:

Edit - one addition... I watched MoneyBall last night, great movie btw... but, in it, they showed that baseball players were often cast off if they played unconventionally. For example, they showed a pitcher who was valued very low because of his odd throwing style, but yet his statistics were through the roof. I think Tebow fits this sort of mold. He's got a very, very odd and slow throwing motion and he doesn't seem terribly accurate, but like I said above, he makes up for that in other areas.

good points. I look forward to seeing that movie too.
I don't ever think Tebow will be outstanding, but I do think he needs more time. He will improve. I saw him complete some incredible passes recently... I feel he has more potential.

inlet13

pretty funny...

http://www.hulu.com/watch/318731/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-tebowie

polaris_x

tebow's strength is his ability to run and not get tackled (strong guy) ... defenses have to protect against the run which allows him to pass with less coverage ...

pandora

mikepegg44 wrote:

God did help Tim win. In the sense that Tebow's sense of faith in himself and his teammates stems from his faith in God. He believes anything is possible because he is able to believe that God does the impossible...

This kid didn't ask you to like him, but his belief in God is certainly an odd reason to hate him.

Aren't there worse things to care about

also

anyone have a link to that actual questions asked in the survey?

great post... oh yeah! unbiased common sense

pandora

cincybearcat wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

If you are a Christian... your God is a fucking asshole.

I get your point from the beginning of your post, but this is a really not a very cool thing to say.

now for me that is a trollish statement ... it got me upset and I'm not even a Christian!
so much hate and disrespect :?

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

now for me that is a trollish statement ... it got me upset and I'm not even a Christian!
so much hate and disrespect :?

you get what you give, I guess.

Like I told my mother... "you want me to stop calling Christians on their hypocritical bullshit? Well, get them to stop spouting bullshit. Don't blame me for pointing out the hypocritical bullshit."

pandora

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

now for me that is a trollish statement ... it got me upset and I'm not even a Christian!
so much hate and disrespect :?

you get what you give, I guess.

Like I told my mother... "you want me to stop calling Christians on their hypocritical bullshit? Well, get them to stop spouting bullshit. Don't blame me for pointing out the hypocritical bullshit."

exactly "you get what you give" so I wonder what others think you give
with statements like that?

Calling all Christians hypocritical ...
very much generalizing, very much biased your statement,
in my opinion.

We know it is not all. Yet you insult and attempt to hurt all Christians.
Perhaps they don't deserve that.

Perhaps some are getting what they do not deserve from you.

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

now for me that is a trollish statement ... it got me upset and I'm not even a Christian!
so much hate and disrespect :?

you get what you give, I guess.

Like I told my mother... "you want me to stop calling Christians on their hypocritical bullshit? Well, get them to stop spouting bullshit. Don't blame me for pointing out the hypocritical bullshit."

Yeah, I know where your anger comes from here and it's justified, except I don't think it's all Christians and you have to wonder if it's Christianity or the current version we have perverted by the leadership. I don't know.

I just know that when you stoop to their level in the discussion, you won't be helping to change any minds. And I suppose that's your choice.

cincybearcat

mikepegg44 wrote:

God did help Tim win. In the sense that Tebow's sense of faith in himself and his teammates stems from his faith in God. He believes anything is possible because he is able to believe that God does the impossible...

This kid didn't ask you to like him, but his belief in God is certainly an odd reason to hate him.

Aren't there worse things to care about

also

anyone have a link to that actual questions asked in the survey?

Well put. I hate him because of the 2010 Sugar Bowl and the Steeler game.