"Serious accidental shootings that once were relatively rare tragedies in Broward and Palm Beach counties have been happening with alarming frequency over the past two years.
Since 2010, nearly a dozen such shootings in the region have left a victim critically injured or dead — a dramatic increase from prior years when such cases typically were reported only once or twice annually, according to police and media reports."
A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?
I didn't see one post that said guns don't take lives....and how did those kids get ahold of the gun ? could it be a irresponsible parent ?...no offense man but that is a lame statement for the anti gun group.
A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?
I didn't see one post that said guns don't take lives....and how did those kids get ahold of the gun ? could it be a irresponsible parent ?...no offense man but that is a lame statement for the anti gun group.
Godfather.
I think the ABC article is a nice counter weight to the notion that guns save lives....it simply points to the other side of guns...
personally I think the women who shot the intruder did the right thing...but that doesn't take away from fact guns are dangerous...
I just get the sense that the pro-gun folks are going to use this to prove one point while ignoring another...thus, I don't think the ABC article is lame...
A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?
I didn't see one post that said guns don't take lives....and how did those kids get ahold of the gun ? could it be a irresponsible parent ?...no offense man but that is a lame statement for the anti gun group.
Godfather.
Couldn't I say the same about the original article?
The fact is, the kid got ahold of a gun, and shot a 5 year old. If guns were much more tightly restricted, there's a very good chance this 5 year old kid would be around for his 6th birthday.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?
I didn't see one post that said guns don't take lives....and how did those kids get ahold of the gun ? could it be a irresponsible parent ?...no offense man but that is a lame statement for the anti gun group.
Godfather.
Couldn't I say the same about the original article?
The fact is, the kid got ahold of a gun, and shot a 5 year old. If guns were much more tightly restricted, there's a very good chance this 5 year old kid would be around for his 6th birthday.
and if the owner of the gun was a responsible gun owner that little kid would still be alive...tamato tamoto
A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?
the villain here is not the gun but irresponsible adults
now in the OP's story being discussed we are clear on who the villains are
and the fact that a young woman would be dead and her newborn also
if not for responsible gun ownership
guns are for self defense and they save lives this an undisputed fact
All I know is I feel a lot safer where individuals can own firearms then I do with our megalomaniac "leaders" and the power they have at their disposal. The last people I want telling me what I can and cannot do are these power mongers we let run things.
I'm just happy that I live in a country where we don't feel that handguns are a god-given right. I still can't fathom how Americans will quietly surrender their 1st amendment rights in the name of security but will scream bloody murder as soon as somebody suggests regulating firearms. Perhaps the "power mongers" you speak of are the byproduct of a culture obsessed with violence.
Still, I don't have a problem with Americans owing guns. It's your country. For many of us non-Americans, you're gun-culture is inherently alien. It's probably not something you could understand, but I feel safer in a world where guns are the exception rather than the norm.
I can understand how your perception on safety would be different than mine. I just don't agree with it.
Also, I'm not one of those Americans who is okay with my 1st amendment rights being trampled on in the name of security. I detest both of my rights being trampled on pretty much equally. I am right there with you in not being able to fathom how so many people here are willing to surrender freedom for a false sense of security.
Does this story prove that guns have lifesaving abilities? -one life seems too be lost.... and the poor girl is now a murder.
Terrible story
she's alive and unharmed. her kid is alive and unharmed. a douche bag is no more.
sounds like a win/win/win
I'm not questioning what happened in the story, I'm questioning the titel of this post.
I can't see that this story proves anything about guns being able to save lives. Guns are products made to hurt your opponent, either in selfdefence or if attacking. To me it seems very contradicting too say that such a product can save lives, when it's primary purpose is to hurt or kill.
The only lifesaving action here would have been if the police had showed up in time....
A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?
the villain here is not the gun but irresponsible adults
now in the OP's story being discussed we are clear on who the villains are
and the fact that a young woman would be dead and her newborn also
if not for responsible gun ownership
guns are for self defense and they save lives this an undisputed fact
in my opinion
If a gun can't be a bad thing, then it can no longer be a good thing either.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Sure this lady probably saved her and her child's life by killing somebody.
It's sad that some use this as a reason to justify having more guns. Things that are designed for one purpose only
Have any who use this as an excuse to encourage gun use considered how she feels.
Sure relief that she and child are ok
But she may feel deeply saddened that she had to do this, she had to take another life
She not only witnessed another person being killed, but she know knows that she is responsabl for it.
She knows she pulled the trigger that ended the life of some mothers son.
She may be happy
But it may be the saddest thing in all her life, something she won't ever get over
I'm just looking at it from my point of view.
I would defend my family to the death, yours as well.
But I would feel deep guilt in doing that ( even to a bad person) because that person has others who love him who will mourn him.
A lot in the USA talk of how guns saves lives. How it prevents their big bad governments from enslaving them
Well look to most countries in the world, who don't have laws allowing everyone to be armed.
Look at my country Australia
Sure there is gun crime and violence, but is it out of control, is their anarchy
Has our government enslaved its people
It's a myth
Oh and godfather said that the women didn't murder anyone she acted in self defense. Well my brother I suggest you follow this case closely. Like all others before it. This lady will have to face the system . She will have to go through this awfull event again and again.
She will and should be found
NT GUILTY OF MURDER OR MANSLAUGHTER DUE TO SELF DEFENCE
as she should. But killing somebody is defined as murder or manslaughter. It's just she had just cause and shouldn't be punished for it
Poor girl... 18 and already a mother, already buried her husband to cancer, and now has been forced to choose between killing another human or being violently killed herself...
This world, sometimes....
Well said ... but I am very glad I live where people don't have guns
“There should be a place where only the things you want to happen, happen”
Comments
People didnt believe me when I said this kind of thing seems to be on the rise, but I keep seeing these "child shoots child" stories all the time.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-0 ... -shootings
"Serious accidental shootings that once were relatively rare tragedies in Broward and Palm Beach counties have been happening with alarming frequency over the past two years.
Since 2010, nearly a dozen such shootings in the region have left a victim critically injured or dead — a dramatic increase from prior years when such cases typically were reported only once or twice annually, according to police and media reports."
I didn't see one post that said guns don't take lives....and how did those kids get ahold of the gun ? could it be a irresponsible parent ?...no offense man but that is a lame statement for the anti gun group.
Godfather.
I think the ABC article is a nice counter weight to the notion that guns save lives....it simply points to the other side of guns...
personally I think the women who shot the intruder did the right thing...but that doesn't take away from fact guns are dangerous...
I just get the sense that the pro-gun folks are going to use this to prove one point while ignoring another...thus, I don't think the ABC article is lame...
The fact is, the kid got ahold of a gun, and shot a 5 year old. If guns were much more tightly restricted, there's a very good chance this 5 year old kid would be around for his 6th birthday.
and if the owner of the gun was a responsible gun owner that little kid would still be alive...tamato tamoto
Godfather.
now in the OP's story being discussed we are clear on who the villains are
and the fact that a young woman would be dead and her newborn also
if not for responsible gun ownership
guns are for self defense and they save lives this an undisputed fact
in my opinion
I can understand how your perception on safety would be different than mine. I just don't agree with it.
Also, I'm not one of those Americans who is okay with my 1st amendment rights being trampled on in the name of security. I detest both of my rights being trampled on pretty much equally. I am right there with you in not being able to fathom how so many people here are willing to surrender freedom for a false sense of security.
I'm not questioning what happened in the story, I'm questioning the titel of this post.
I can't see that this story proves anything about guns being able to save lives. Guns are products made to hurt your opponent, either in selfdefence or if attacking. To me it seems very contradicting too say that such a product can save lives, when it's primary purpose is to hurt or kill.
The only lifesaving action here would have been if the police had showed up in time....
but that's just my opinion
It's sad that some use this as a reason to justify having more guns. Things that are designed for one purpose only
Have any who use this as an excuse to encourage gun use considered how she feels.
Sure relief that she and child are ok
But she may feel deeply saddened that she had to do this, she had to take another life
She not only witnessed another person being killed, but she know knows that she is responsabl for it.
She knows she pulled the trigger that ended the life of some mothers son.
She may be happy
But it may be the saddest thing in all her life, something she won't ever get over
I'm just looking at it from my point of view.
I would defend my family to the death, yours as well.
But I would feel deep guilt in doing that ( even to a bad person) because that person has others who love him who will mourn him.
Well look to most countries in the world, who don't have laws allowing everyone to be armed.
Look at my country Australia
Sure there is gun crime and violence, but is it out of control, is their anarchy
Has our government enslaved its people
It's a myth
Oh and godfather said that the women didn't murder anyone she acted in self defense. Well my brother I suggest you follow this case closely. Like all others before it. This lady will have to face the system . She will have to go through this awfull event again and again.
She will and should be found
NT GUILTY OF MURDER OR MANSLAUGHTER DUE TO SELF DEFENCE
as she should. But killing somebody is defined as murder or manslaughter. It's just she had just cause and shouldn't be punished for it
Well said ... but I am very glad I live where people don't have guns