Just goes to prove.....Guns save lives

aennil

Godfather. wrote:

aennil wrote:

Does this story prove that guns have lifesaving abilities? -one life seems too be lost.... and the poor girl is now a murder.
Terrible story

a murder ? try self defense....and alive to care for her family.

Godfather.

Thank you Godfather. -i need to practice on my english skills, it seems...

81

aennil wrote:

Does this story prove that guns have lifesaving abilities? -one life seems too be lost.... and the poor girl is now a murder.
Terrible story

she's alive and unharmed. her kid is alive and unharmed. a douche bag is no more.

sounds like a win/win/win

Godfather.

aennil wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

aennil wrote:

Does this story prove that guns have lifesaving abilities? -one life seems too be lost.... and the poor girl is now a murder.
Terrible story

a murder ? try self defense....and alive to care for her family.

Godfather.

Thank you Godfather. -i need to practice on my english skills, it seems...

ask anybody here I'm no english/spelling teacher. but check this out...seems to be a lot of this making the news lately.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/90-year-o ... hpt=ju_bn6

Godfather.

fear4freedom

GUNS DO SAVE LIVES in a country like ours! Its a big country and there are MANY bad people here......the one thing we all know......is that there are 80 million armed people who will defend their lives and freedoms! We also know that there is hope when bad people have bad thoughts!

If you take away the good peoples guns....the bad people will be licking their chopps!!!!

catefrances

fear4freedom wrote:

GUNS DO SAVE LIVES in a country like ours! Its a big country and there are MANY bad people here......the one thing we all know......is that there are 80 million armed people who will defend their lives and freedoms! We also know that there is hope when bad people have bad thoughts!

If you take away the good peoples guns....the bad people will be licking their chopps!!!!

your country must be fucked three ways to sunday cause her in my country we dont have guns and the bad people here arent exactly licking their chops... and hell we were founded as a penal colony so...


sure there is crime involving guns but its not a free for all like you intimate it would collapse into in regards to your country. though perhaps your country is just less civilised hence the need to be armed... oh the paradox.

Sludge Factory

catefrances wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

GUNS DO SAVE LIVES in a country like ours! Its a big country and there are MANY bad people here......the one thing we all know......is that there are 80 million armed people who will defend their lives and freedoms! We also know that there is hope when bad people have bad thoughts!

If you take away the good peoples guns....the bad people will be licking their chopps!!!!

your country must be fucked three ways to sunday cause her in my country we dont have guns and the bad people here arent exactly licking their chops... and hell we were founded as a penal colony so...


sure there is crime involving guns but its not a free for all like you intimate it would collapse into in regards to your country. though perhaps your country is just less civilised hence the need to be armed... oh the paradox.

All I know is I feel a lot safer where individuals can own firearms then I do with our megalomaniac "leaders" and the power they have at their disposal. The last people I want telling me what I can and cannot do are these power mongers we let run things.

keeponrockin

catefrances wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

GUNS DO SAVE LIVES in a country like ours! Its a big country and there are MANY bad people here......the one thing we all know......is that there are 80 million armed people who will defend their lives and freedoms! We also know that there is hope when bad people have bad thoughts!

If you take away the good peoples guns....the bad people will be licking their chopps!!!!

your country must be fucked three ways to sunday cause her in my country we dont have guns and the bad people here arent exactly licking their chops... and hell we were founded as a penal colony so...


sure there is crime involving guns but its not a free for all like you intimate it would collapse into in regards to your country. though perhaps your country is just less civilised hence the need to be armed... oh the paradox.

Same here, we don't have the attachment to guns that the USA does, yet the bad guy's aren't licking their chops.

Hmm...

MookiesLaw

MayDay Malone wrote:

Poor girl... 18 and already a mother, already buried her husband to cancer, and now has been forced to choose between killing another human or being violently killed herself...

This world, sometimes....

True, and this is why i support responsible gun owners having the right to defend themselves.

blueandwhite

Sludge Factory wrote:

All I know is I feel a lot safer where individuals can own firearms then I do with our megalomaniac "leaders" and the power they have at their disposal. The last people I want telling me what I can and cannot do are these power mongers we let run things.

I'm just happy that I live in a country where we don't feel that handguns are a god-given right. I still can't fathom how Americans will quietly surrender their 1st amendment rights in the name of security but will scream bloody murder as soon as somebody suggests regulating firearms. Perhaps the "power mongers" you speak of are the byproduct of a culture obsessed with violence.

Still, I don't have a problem with Americans owing guns. It's your country. For many of us non-Americans, you're gun-culture is inherently alien. It's probably not something you could understand, but I feel safer in a world where guns are the exception rather than the norm.

keeponrockin

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... -colorado/

A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?

JonnyPistachio

keeponrockin wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/3-year-old-shoots-and-kills-5-year-old-in-colorado/

A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?

People didnt believe me when I said this kind of thing seems to be on the rise, but I keep seeing these "child shoots child" stories all the time.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-0 ... -shootings

"Serious accidental shootings that once were relatively rare tragedies in Broward and Palm Beach counties have been happening with alarming frequency over the past two years.

Since 2010, nearly a dozen such shootings in the region have left a victim critically injured or dead — a dramatic increase from prior years when such cases typically were reported only once or twice annually, according to police and media reports."

Godfather.

keeponrockin wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/3-year-old-shoots-and-kills-5-year-old-in-colorado/

A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?

I didn't see one post that said guns don't take lives....and how did those kids get ahold of the gun ? could it be a irresponsible parent ?...no offense man but that is a lame statement for the anti gun group.

Godfather.

inmytree

Godfather. wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/3-year-old-shoots-and-kills-5-year-old-in-colorado/

A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?

I didn't see one post that said guns don't take lives....and how did those kids get ahold of the gun ? could it be a irresponsible parent ?...no offense man but that is a lame statement for the anti gun group.

Godfather.

I think the ABC article is a nice counter weight to the notion that guns save lives....it simply points to the other side of guns...

personally I think the women who shot the intruder did the right thing...but that doesn't take away from fact guns are dangerous...

I just get the sense that the pro-gun folks are going to use this to prove one point while ignoring another...thus, I don't think the ABC article is lame...

keeponrockin

Godfather. wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/3-year-old-shoots-and-kills-5-year-old-in-colorado/

A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?

I didn't see one post that said guns don't take lives....and how did those kids get ahold of the gun ? could it be a irresponsible parent ?...no offense man but that is a lame statement for the anti gun group.

Godfather.

Couldn't I say the same about the original article?

The fact is, the kid got ahold of a gun, and shot a 5 year old. If guns were much more tightly restricted, there's a very good chance this 5 year old kid would be around for his 6th birthday.

Godfather.

keeponrockin wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/3-year-old-shoots-and-kills-5-year-old-in-colorado/

A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?

I didn't see one post that said guns don't take lives....and how did those kids get ahold of the gun ? could it be a irresponsible parent ?...no offense man but that is a lame statement for the anti gun group.

Godfather.

Couldn't I say the same about the original article?

The fact is, the kid got ahold of a gun, and shot a 5 year old. If guns were much more tightly restricted, there's a very good chance this 5 year old kid would be around for his 6th birthday.

and if the owner of the gun was a responsible gun owner that little kid would still be alive...tamato tamoto

Godfather.

pandora

keeponrockin wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/3-year-old-shoots-and-kills-5-year-old-in-colorado/

A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?

the villain here is not the gun but irresponsible adults


now in the OP's story being discussed we are clear on who the villains are
and the fact that a young woman would be dead and her newborn also
if not for responsible gun ownership

guns are for self defense and they save lives this an undisputed fact

in my opinion

Sludge Factory

blueandwhite wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

All I know is I feel a lot safer where individuals can own firearms then I do with our megalomaniac "leaders" and the power they have at their disposal. The last people I want telling me what I can and cannot do are these power mongers we let run things.

I'm just happy that I live in a country where we don't feel that handguns are a god-given right. I still can't fathom how Americans will quietly surrender their 1st amendment rights in the name of security but will scream bloody murder as soon as somebody suggests regulating firearms. Perhaps the "power mongers" you speak of are the byproduct of a culture obsessed with violence.

Still, I don't have a problem with Americans owing guns. It's your country. For many of us non-Americans, you're gun-culture is inherently alien. It's probably not something you could understand, but I feel safer in a world where guns are the exception rather than the norm.

I can understand how your perception on safety would be different than mine. I just don't agree with it.

Also, I'm not one of those Americans who is okay with my 1st amendment rights being trampled on in the name of security. I detest both of my rights being trampled on pretty much equally. I am right there with you in not being able to fathom how so many people here are willing to surrender freedom for a false sense of security.

aennil

81 wrote:

aennil wrote:

Does this story prove that guns have lifesaving abilities? -one life seems too be lost.... and the poor girl is now a murder.
Terrible story

she's alive and unharmed. her kid is alive and unharmed. a douche bag is no more.

sounds like a win/win/win

I'm not questioning what happened in the story, I'm questioning the titel of this post.
I can't see that this story proves anything about guns being able to save lives. Guns are products made to hurt your opponent, either in selfdefence or if attacking. To me it seems very contradicting too say that such a product can save lives, when it's primary purpose is to hurt or kill.
The only lifesaving action here would have been if the police had showed up in time....

but that's just my opinion

keeponrockin

pandora wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/3-year-old-shoots-and-kills-5-year-old-in-colorado/

A 3 year old shot a 5 year old... Any lives saved here?

the villain here is not the gun but irresponsible adults


now in the OP's story being discussed we are clear on who the villains are
and the fact that a young woman would be dead and her newborn also
if not for responsible gun ownership

guns are for self defense and they save lives this an undisputed fact

in my opinion

If a gun can't be a bad thing, then it can no longer be a good thing either.

ONCE DEVIDED

Sure this lady probably saved her and her child's life by killing somebody.
It's sad that some use this as a reason to justify having more guns. Things that are designed for one purpose only

Have any who use this as an excuse to encourage gun use considered how she feels.
Sure relief that she and child are ok
But she may feel deeply saddened that she had to do this, she had to take another life
She not only witnessed another person being killed, but she know knows that she is responsabl for it.
She knows she pulled the trigger that ended the life of some mothers son.
She may be happy
But it may be the saddest thing in all her life, something she won't ever get over
I'm just looking at it from my point of view.
I would defend my family to the death, yours as well.
But I would feel deep guilt in doing that ( even to a bad person) because that person has others who love him who will mourn him.