Actually it seems to me that the many people on here that are arguing against abortion actually have children.
Its a slippery slop to decide which stage of human development you deem acceptable of murdering.
stay out of people's bedrooms. stay out of the decisions made between a woman and her doctor. worry about your own family, not everyone else's potential family.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i believe that it is a slippery slope to begin making laws to limit rights. laws should be there to grant people rights.
if you are against abortion, do not have one. do not legislate what everyone else should do with their own bodies....
Right, like granting rights to the developing human.
As for the last point....if you are against war, just do fight in one. If you are against corporate greed, just don't buy from those corporations. If you are against prayer in school, just don't pray. :roll:
the rights of a living woman supercede the rights of anything developing within her. at the 9 week point the fetus is nothing more than a parasite living off of the woman. sorry to reduce it to that, but by definition of parasite it fits the bill...
as far as fighting in a war, i won't. i won't pray in a school, and i try to buy locally every chance i get.. :roll:
You seem to have no problem with granting right to living parasites...
i believe that it is a slippery slope to begin making laws to limit rights. laws should be there to grant people rights.
if you are against abortion, do not have one. do not legislate what everyone else should do with their own bodies....
Right, like granting rights to the developing human.
As for the last point....if you are against war, just do fight in one. If you are against corporate greed, just don't buy from those corporations. If you are against prayer in school, just don't pray. :roll:
the rights of a living woman supercede the rights of anything developing within her. at the 9 week point the fetus is nothing more than a parasite living off of the woman. sorry to reduce it to that, but by definition of parasite it fits the bill...
as far as fighting in a war, i won't. i won't pray in a school, and i try to buy locally every chance i get.. :roll:
If and when you have a child make sure you refer to him/her as a parasite when you tell them stories of you and your wifes pregnancy, and if she has a miscarriage make sure yourcomfort her by telling her its no big deal, after all its just a parasite... :roll:
If and when you have a child make sure you refer to him/her as a parasite when you tell them stories of you and your wifes pregnancy, and if she has a miscarriage make sure yourcomfort her by telling her its no big deal, after all its just a parasite... :roll:
why don't you scientifically prove me wrong then?
because you can't.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
If and when you have a child make sure you refer to him/her as a parasite when you tell them stories of you and your wifes pregnancy, and if she has a miscarriage make sure yourcomfort her by telling her its no big deal, after all its just a parasite... :roll:
why don't you scientifically prove me wrong then?
because you can't.
Huh???
According to science - A fetus is a developing human, thats about as basic as it gets, I don't know how you can't grasp this...
slapping on other definitions you see fit dosen't make it any less human...
You seem to have no problem with granting right to living parasites...
are you referring to people on welfare as human parasites?
why not start another thread on it and keep your bigoted views out of this one?
lol start another thread??? I haven't posted since June 2011...
stop derailing this thread by calling welfare recipients "human parasites" in this thread. start a new thread if you want to discuss welfare and or welfare recipients.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
you can be pro choice and not pro abortion. pro means in favor of or in support of. i strongly support the right to choose, thus i am pro choice. i do not like the procedure that is abortion, but i realize that as long as there are human beings there will be abortions. why not make it as safe as possible so that women don't have to go to a back alley place for an abortion or have to resort to throwing themselves down a staircase to end the pregnancy?
if i were in the situation where i got a woman pregnant i would want her to keep the baby. that is the selfish side of me. i mean, that child is half mine, since i contributed to creating it. but i realize that it is not my body that has to carry that baby and i can not be selfish in that situation.
i strongly support the law that allows women the choice to decide what happens within her own body. and i strongly believe that any changes to that law and any restrictions on women's rights relating to their reproductive health care would be a huge step backwards for this country.
that is not selfish at all ...
what is selfish is a woman not giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime
9 months to give life to another human being
this a choice she will make and may regret one day
i had a great friend who had an abortion due to rape. when she was deciding if she was going to have the baby or not she decided that she could not have that constant memory of her rape by having that baby.
i don't know how many people here have been raped and how dramatic it can be. its very dramatic and i can't imagine having that constant reminder of that happening. i have a feeling that would last more than 9 months
you can be pro choice and not pro abortion. pro means in favor of or in support of. i strongly support the right to choose, thus i am pro choice. i do not like the procedure that is abortion, but i realize that as long as there are human beings there will be abortions. why not make it as safe as possible so that women don't have to go to a back alley place for an abortion or have to resort to throwing themselves down a staircase to end the pregnancy?
if i were in the situation where i got a woman pregnant i would want her to keep the baby. that is the selfish side of me. i mean, that child is half mine, since i contributed to creating it. but i realize that it is not my body that has to carry that baby and i can not be selfish in that situation.
i strongly support the law that allows women the choice to decide what happens within her own body. and i strongly believe that any changes to that law and any restrictions on women's rights relating to their reproductive health care would be a huge step backwards for this country.
that is not selfish at all ...
what is selfish is a woman not giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime
9 months to give life to another human being
this a choice she will make and may regret one day
Do you really believe that the majority of women who choose to have an abortion do so because they don't want to go through 9 months of pregnancy?! It's not about "giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime", it's about the 18 years after those 9 months where you will be totally responsible for someone's else's life. If you know that you cannot provide for that child and give it a loving and nurturing home, then I believe it is actually selfish to go through with the pregnancy.
I have several friends that have had abortions and none of them regret that they had them (Yes, I am sure there are also many women that do regret it) Three of them are mothers today. It was simply the wrong time for them to have a child because they weren't emotionally nor financially stable and with a partner that would actually want to be there with them and support them. Instead they chose to get an education and finding the right partner to start a family with. Is it really selfish to want to give your child something better and a more stable home? To say that it's about giving up 9 months out of your life is to trivialize the issue.
you can be pro choice and not pro abortion. pro means in favor of or in support of. i strongly support the right to choose, thus i am pro choice. i do not like the procedure that is abortion, but i realize that as long as there are human beings there will be abortions. why not make it as safe as possible so that women don't have to go to a back alley place for an abortion or have to resort to throwing themselves down a staircase to end the pregnancy?
if i were in the situation where i got a woman pregnant i would want her to keep the baby. that is the selfish side of me. i mean, that child is half mine, since i contributed to creating it. but i realize that it is not my body that has to carry that baby and i can not be selfish in that situation.
i strongly support the law that allows women the choice to decide what happens within her own body. and i strongly believe that any changes to that law and any restrictions on women's rights relating to their reproductive health care would be a huge step backwards for this country.
that is not selfish at all ...
what is selfish is a woman not giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime
9 months to give life to another human being
this a choice she will make and may regret one day
i had a great friend who had an abortion due to rape. when she was deciding if she was going to have the baby or not she decided that she could not have that constant memory of her rape by having that baby.
i don't know how many people here have been raped and how dramatic it can be. its very dramatic and i can't imagine having that constant reminder of that happening. i have a feeling that would last more than 9 months
I can understand that totally but I might wonder if the love between mother and child
might overcome if her choice was life and raise the child
it takes great strength to overcome violence just in itself
it would take even greater to carry a child
to give life and then place for adoption but perhaps the reward in that
is the life itself.... an innocent life
you can be pro choice and not pro abortion. pro means in favor of or in support of. i strongly support the right to choose, thus i am pro choice. i do not like the procedure that is abortion, but i realize that as long as there are human beings there will be abortions. why not make it as safe as possible so that women don't have to go to a back alley place for an abortion or have to resort to throwing themselves down a staircase to end the pregnancy?
if i were in the situation where i got a woman pregnant i would want her to keep the baby. that is the selfish side of me. i mean, that child is half mine, since i contributed to creating it. but i realize that it is not my body that has to carry that baby and i can not be selfish in that situation.
i strongly support the law that allows women the choice to decide what happens within her own body. and i strongly believe that any changes to that law and any restrictions on women's rights relating to their reproductive health care would be a huge step backwards for this country.
that is not selfish at all ...
what is selfish is a woman not giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime
9 months to give life to another human being
this a choice she will make and may regret one day
Do you really believe that the majority of women who choose to have an abortion do so because they don't want to go through 9 months of pregnancy?! It's not about "giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime", it's about the 18 years after those 9 months where you will be totally responsible for someone's else's life. If you know that you cannot provide for that child and give it a loving and nurturing home, then I believe it is actually selfish to go through with the pregnancy.
I have several friends that have had abortions and none of them regret that they had them (Yes, I am sure there are also many women that do regret it) Three of them are mothers today. It was simply the wrong time for them to have a child because they weren't emotionally nor financially stable and with a partner that would actually want to be there with them and support them. Instead they chose to get an education and finding the right partner to start a family with. Is it really selfish to want to give your child something better and a more stable home? To say that it's about giving up 9 months out of your life is to trivialize the issue.
Why so many not considering adoption here I don't understand?
As I have said I too at the tender age of 16 had an abortion and went on to be a mother.
I just wish I had not been so rash and selfish and I would have considered carrying my baby
and giving the baby to loving parents. I wish now I had chosen life.
My baby would be 40 this year perhaps with children of their own.
I am for choice but informed choice and it is not always easy to see the big picture of life
and beyond when we are young.
Do you really believe that the majority of women who choose to have an abortion do so because they don't want to go through 9 months of pregnancy?! It's not about "giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime", it's about the 18 years after those 9 months where you will be totally responsible for someone's else's life. If you know that you cannot provide for that child and give it a loving and nurturing home, then I believe it is actually selfish to go through with the pregnancy.
I have several friends that have had abortions and none of them regret that they had them (Yes, I am sure there are also many women that do regret it) Three of them are mothers today. It was simply the wrong time for them to have a child because they weren't emotionally nor financially stable and with a partner that would actually want to be there with them and support them. Instead they chose to get an education and finding the right partner to start a family with. Is it really selfish to want to give your child something better and a more stable home? To say that it's about giving up 9 months out of your life is to trivialize the issue.
Wow, this is sad...
before I write anything else, please tell me these people were teenagers when this happend.
Do you really believe that the majority of women who choose to have an abortion do so because they don't want to go through 9 months of pregnancy?! It's not about "giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime", it's about the 18 years after those 9 months where you will be totally responsible for someone's else's life. If you know that you cannot provide for that child and give it a loving and nurturing home, then I believe it is actually selfish to go through with the pregnancy.
I have several friends that have had abortions and none of them regret that they had them (Yes, I am sure there are also many women that do regret it) Three of them are mothers today. It was simply the wrong time for them to have a child because they weren't emotionally nor financially stable and with a partner that would actually want to be there with them and support them. Instead they chose to get an education and finding the right partner to start a family with. Is it really selfish to want to give your child something better and a more stable home? To say that it's about giving up 9 months out of your life is to trivialize the issue.
Wow, this is sad...
before I write anything else, please tell me these people were teenagers when this happend.
Yes Blockhead, it is sad going through an abortion. It is sad growing up with a parent that is not able to care for you and support you. It is sad to grow up as an adopted kid always wondering where you come from and why your mother chose to give you up. Lots of things are sad. And no, they were not teenagers.
as I ran my errand just now I thought about this subject and how over the years since legalized,
which ironically Roe v Wade was passed on my 17th birthday just 2 months after my abortion,
the idea of adoption just left the table ... even for me.
Before a young girl would have her baby, give life and go on with hers.
But since then pregnancy has became an inconvenience.
A human being an inconvenience.
This I know because this how I felt and may be how others feel.
Easy fix problem solved.
Society had accepted and legalized abortion saying it's ok, so where's the harm?
But it may not be ok for everyone...
there comes a day for some when they realize life is a gift to value
and never take for granted. That this is out of our hands, that under all circumstances
except to save a life should a life be taken
life is to be valued ....
i had a great friend who had an abortion due to rape. when she was deciding if she was going to have the baby or not she decided that she could not have that constant memory of her rape by having that baby.
i don't know how many people here have been raped and how dramatic it can be. its very dramatic and i can't imagine having that constant reminder of that happening. i have a feeling that would last more than 9 months[/quote]
I can understand that totally but I might wonder if the love between mother and child
might overcome if her choice was life and raise the child
it takes great strength to overcome violence just in itself
it would take even greater to carry a child
to give life and then place for adoption but perhaps the reward in that
is the life itself.... an innocent life[/quote]
I can't say if the love between mother and child might overcome that but i can say that this person had 2 more children and was a great mother and loved her children. this person has since died but i can tell you from the many times we have talked about this, she didn't regret having that abortion and who are we to argue about that.
also, since you asked about adoption. adoption is not always the best solution for a child and i can tell you from knowing many people who were adopted that it does raise some major issue. not everyone ones get those great families to adopted them. some get put into foster families who don't give a shit about them.
I can't say if the love between mother and child might overcome that but i can say that this person had 2 more children and was a great mother and loved her children. this person has since died but i can tell you from the many times we have talked about this, she didn't regret having that abortion and who are we to argue about that.
also, since you asked about adoption. adoption is not always the best solution for a child and i can tell you from knowing many people who were adopted that it does raise some major issue. not everyone ones get those great families to adopted them. some get put into foster families who don't give a shit about them.
This the choices we make and I am not finding fault with personal choices ... I am for the right to choose
this is our life our path
I do think that most people no matter how hard life is, what we are dealt,
that when it comes time to leave this world,
we are glad we have had a life over the choice of never being born.
as I ran my errand just now I thought about this subject and how over the years since legalized,
which ironically Roe v Wade was passed on my 17th birthday just 2 months after my abortion,
the idea of adoption just left the table ... even for me.
Before a young girl would have her baby, give life and go on with hers.
But since then pregnancy has became an inconvenience.
A human being an inconvenience.
This I know because this how I felt and may be how others feel.
Easy fix problem solved.
Society had accepted and legalized abortion saying it's ok, so where's the harm?
But it may not be ok for everyone...
there comes a day for some when they realize life is a gift to value
and never take for granted. That this is out of our hands, that under all circumstances
except to save a life should a life be taken
life is to be valued ....
if I had only known then what I know now
i understand what you are saying here but i don't agree that society has accepted it. i am very pro-choice but i wish that it was needed. I would love to live in a world where everything is perfect and nothing bad happens (i am not saying having a baby is bad initself btw) but that is not the case. woman are raped all over the whole world, some are forced to have children due to other issues. I work with people who are living with HIV, some of my client are children who were born with HIV. if you ask most of them, their life is not a gift.
Do you really believe that the majority of women who choose to have an abortion do so because they don't want to go through 9 months of pregnancy?! It's not about "giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime", it's about the 18 years after those 9 months where you will be totally responsible for someone's else's life. If you know that you cannot provide for that child and give it a loving and nurturing home, then I believe it is actually selfish to go through with the pregnancy.
I have several friends that have had abortions and none of them regret that they had them (Yes, I am sure there are also many women that do regret it) Three of them are mothers today. It was simply the wrong time for them to have a child because they weren't emotionally nor financially stable and with a partner that would actually want to be there with them and support them. Instead they chose to get an education and finding the right partner to start a family with. Is it really selfish to want to give your child something better and a more stable home? To say that it's about giving up 9 months out of your life is to trivialize the issue.
Well said and I totally agree. Most women I know who have abortions do so out of selflessness, not selfishness. Having a baby that you can't care for - and that you can't guarantee will be well-cared-for by anyone else either - can sometimes really be the selfish decision.
Also, just a bit of data to corroborate your post: Studies have shown that most women having abortions are mothers and that most do not regret their decision.
as I ran my errand just now I thought about this subject and how over the years since legalized,
which ironically Roe v Wade was passed on my 17th birthday just 2 months after my abortion,
the idea of adoption just left the table ... even for me.
Before a young girl would have her baby, give life and go on with hers.
But since then pregnancy has became an inconvenience.
A human being an inconvenience.
This I know because this how I felt and may be how others feel.
Easy fix problem solved.
Society had accepted and legalized abortion saying it's ok, so where's the harm?
But it may not be ok for everyone...
there comes a day for some when they realize life is a gift to value
and never take for granted. That this is out of our hands, that under all circumstances
except to save a life should a life be taken
life is to be valued ....
if I had only known then what I know now
i understand what you are saying here but i don't agree that society has accepted it. i am very pro-choice but i wish that it was needed. I would love to live in a world where everything is perfect and nothing bad happens (i am not saying having a baby is bad initself btw) but that is not the case. woman are raped all over the whole world, some are forced to have children due to other issues. I work with people who are living with HIV, some of my client are children who were born with HIV. if you ask most of them, their life is not a gift.
Life is a gift to value but
I would think self preservation would tell them it is better a life then never a life
but I also understand what you are saying.
I'm of the feeling that the love of parent and child is the closest we have to God's love.
I would feel this way no matter how that child came to be but that is me.
That is not how other women feel and not how I felt as a young woman.
This has evolved with my core beliefs.
I know abortion is the right choice for many but I don't believe all and I know it was
the wrong choice for me. But having the choice is right for everyone.
I would hope women all over the world could be free from oppression
and have the right to choose not only for their bodies but their freedoms
and that all men could evolve to understand rape and its personal destruction
devastation ... speaking of a selfish act.
I would think self preservation would tell them it is better a life then never a life
but I also understand what you are saying...
better a life of suffering than no life at all... that cant be what youre saying can it pandora?
I value life and you know I know a loving God and the afterlife.
That my belief is we are all connected, that what happens to one affects another,
that we are a plan, we are on a path and we are here to teach and learn from each other,
from life and from God ... then journey on.
you cate know this of me...
so yes in reply to that posters post it is exactly what I mean
Comments
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You seem to have no problem with granting right to living parasites...
If and when you have a child make sure you refer to him/her as a parasite when you tell them stories of you and your wifes pregnancy, and if she has a miscarriage make sure yourcomfort her by telling her its no big deal, after all its just a parasite... :roll:
why not start another thread on it and keep your bigoted views out of this one?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
because you can't.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
According to science - A fetus is a developing human, thats about as basic as it gets, I don't know how you can't grasp this...
slapping on other definitions you see fit dosen't make it any less human...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i had a great friend who had an abortion due to rape. when she was deciding if she was going to have the baby or not she decided that she could not have that constant memory of her rape by having that baby.
i don't know how many people here have been raped and how dramatic it can be. its very dramatic and i can't imagine having that constant reminder of that happening. i have a feeling that would last more than 9 months
Do you really believe that the majority of women who choose to have an abortion do so because they don't want to go through 9 months of pregnancy?! It's not about "giving up 9 months out of the 900 of her lifetime", it's about the 18 years after those 9 months where you will be totally responsible for someone's else's life. If you know that you cannot provide for that child and give it a loving and nurturing home, then I believe it is actually selfish to go through with the pregnancy.
I have several friends that have had abortions and none of them regret that they had them (Yes, I am sure there are also many women that do regret it) Three of them are mothers today. It was simply the wrong time for them to have a child because they weren't emotionally nor financially stable and with a partner that would actually want to be there with them and support them. Instead they chose to get an education and finding the right partner to start a family with. Is it really selfish to want to give your child something better and a more stable home? To say that it's about giving up 9 months out of your life is to trivialize the issue.
might overcome if her choice was life and raise the child
it takes great strength to overcome violence just in itself
it would take even greater to carry a child
to give life and then place for adoption but perhaps the reward in that
is the life itself.... an innocent life
As I have said I too at the tender age of 16 had an abortion and went on to be a mother.
I just wish I had not been so rash and selfish and I would have considered carrying my baby
and giving the baby to loving parents. I wish now I had chosen life.
My baby would be 40 this year perhaps with children of their own.
I am for choice but informed choice and it is not always easy to see the big picture of life
and beyond when we are young.
before I write anything else, please tell me these people were teenagers when this happend.
Yes Blockhead, it is sad going through an abortion. It is sad growing up with a parent that is not able to care for you and support you. It is sad to grow up as an adopted kid always wondering where you come from and why your mother chose to give you up. Lots of things are sad. And no, they were not teenagers.
which ironically Roe v Wade was passed on my 17th birthday just 2 months after my abortion,
the idea of adoption just left the table ... even for me.
Before a young girl would have her baby, give life and go on with hers.
But since then pregnancy has became an inconvenience.
A human being an inconvenience.
This I know because this how I felt and may be how others feel.
Easy fix problem solved.
Society had accepted and legalized abortion saying it's ok, so where's the harm?
But it may not be ok for everyone...
there comes a day for some when they realize life is a gift to value
and never take for granted. That this is out of our hands, that under all circumstances
except to save a life should a life be taken
life is to be valued ....
if I had only known then what I know now
i don't know how many people here have been raped and how dramatic it can be. its very dramatic and i can't imagine having that constant reminder of that happening. i have a feeling that would last more than 9 months[/quote]
I can understand that totally but I might wonder if the love between mother and child
might overcome if her choice was life and raise the child
it takes great strength to overcome violence just in itself
it would take even greater to carry a child
to give life and then place for adoption but perhaps the reward in that
is the life itself.... an innocent life[/quote]
I can't say if the love between mother and child might overcome that but i can say that this person had 2 more children and was a great mother and loved her children. this person has since died but i can tell you from the many times we have talked about this, she didn't regret having that abortion and who are we to argue about that.
also, since you asked about adoption. adoption is not always the best solution for a child and i can tell you from knowing many people who were adopted that it does raise some major issue. not everyone ones get those great families to adopted them. some get put into foster families who don't give a shit about them.
this is our life our path
I do think that most people no matter how hard life is, what we are dealt,
that when it comes time to leave this world,
we are glad we have had a life over the choice of never being born.
i understand what you are saying here but i don't agree that society has accepted it. i am very pro-choice but i wish that it was needed. I would love to live in a world where everything is perfect and nothing bad happens (i am not saying having a baby is bad initself btw) but that is not the case. woman are raped all over the whole world, some are forced to have children due to other issues. I work with people who are living with HIV, some of my client are children who were born with HIV. if you ask most of them, their life is not a gift.
Well said and I totally agree. Most women I know who have abortions do so out of selflessness, not selfishness. Having a baby that you can't care for - and that you can't guarantee will be well-cared-for by anyone else either - can sometimes really be the selfish decision.
Also, just a bit of data to corroborate your post: Studies have shown that most women having abortions are mothers and that most do not regret their decision.
but I also understand what you are saying.
I'm of the feeling that the love of parent and child is the closest we have to God's love.
I would feel this way no matter how that child came to be but that is me.
That is not how other women feel and not how I felt as a young woman.
This has evolved with my core beliefs.
I know abortion is the right choice for many but I don't believe all and I know it was
the wrong choice for me. But having the choice is right for everyone.
I would hope women all over the world could be free from oppression
and have the right to choose not only for their bodies but their freedoms
and that all men could evolve to understand rape and its personal destruction
devastation ... speaking of a selfish act.
better a life of suffering than no life at all... that cant be what youre saying can it pandora?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
That my belief is we are all connected, that what happens to one affects another,
that we are a plan, we are on a path and we are here to teach and learn from each other,
from life and from God ... then journey on.
you cate know this of me...
so yes in reply to that posters post it is exactly what I mean