The War on Drugs

chadwick

petejm043 wrote:

The only ones that the system seems to punish are those who become addicted. The addicts are the ones who, most of the time end up in the prison system, where they are then basically put in with hardened criminals. So what happens, these addicts come back out to the street, they are still addicts, but come out worse because of the prison system.

Instead of spending billions on the “war on drugs” we should spend that money on those who need help. As for marijuana, I don’t think I have ever read that a "marijuana junkie" robbed a person. Is there such a thing? Has anyone ever heard of a marijuana overdose? I think the only overdose may occur is from the munchies. But idiot politicians need to pander to a certain group of people who want to control everything.

i have done some stupid shit for my smoke. then again, i was addicted to several things at once and as a young teenager, so i really didn't know where i was at in the grand scheme of things and what buzz i needed. it surely wasn't just the weed.

i have smoked so much good grass in one sitting that i fell out and had to lie down. woke up hours later high as hell. never puked and stuff. was perfectly fine actually.

am i a marijuana addict? yeah sure i am. i crave grass like others might crave booze or something. it is easier to quit weed than any other drug or alcohol though.

chadwick

Godfather. wrote:

drugs death and prision or the streets don't care if you are a republican or a democrate
and the guy selling drugs to your little sister or brother don't much care about you or them either, and tell me what you know about drug addiction a 100 years ago...no really I would love to hear.
just saying that if drugs were legalized it would pop the lid open on a can whoop-ass that would leave the public dazed and wondering what the hell did we do ? this ain't like booze and it ain't as simple as just a little weed.

Godfather.

i been a drug addict and alcoholic on and off since i was 13 or 14 years old. not one time have i or my friends died, been to prison because of drugs or booze, and not one of us have been homeless. some of the best dope comes from rigid republicans w/ old money from back when great grandfather worked 16 hrs a day 7 days a week for the railroad and farmed and bought farms and bought real estate.

the best lawyers in town are on cocaine, booze, and nailing all their female bees. they are living like kings and queens while snorting and chugging the fastlife.

the united states government is full of shit beyond what any of us can invision as something comprehensible.

alcohol and cigarettes being slung by the warmest of the warm, our wonderful uncle Sam, god bless his soul. stupid piece of shit d.c. politicians. i can't stand it any more.

and here i was months ago pretty much demanding cigarettes be illegal... i now know i was dead wrong in my position. we are free, god dammit.

we the people of the united states of america demand drugs and whatever other substances we desire to be legal and or decriminalized. the war on drugs is a complete waste of time and money and only provokes use.

and god bless the international drug smugglers, famers near and far, and the zig zag rolling papers from france.

why can't the united states government study the model of the Netherlands and try something like that here?

sex and drugs. many would appreaciate the red light district and a legal bong hit or 13. and what about our national debt to china and whom ever else?

go get em, newt gingrich, you stupid shit.

w/ all due respect, Godfather, you are being brainwashed.

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

you guys can laugh at what I say and tell yourselfs that I'm crazy but everything I've posted here is 100% true and no bullshit.

Godfather. wrote:

by the way there is no such thing as a drug user who has it under control....just a drug user that is becoming an addict...for the most part.

I dont think you're crazy, but a lot of what you say is opinion in your first two posts...But I do find it interesting that you would say(for the most part) that there are no drug users that have it under control. I suppose we all have different experiences with drugs and people involved in them, but I have had many, many friends over the years who are/were lawyers, doctors, and business people who use several drugs on a regular basis and have complete control. That may be considered and addict though, I guess.

catefrances

he still stands wrote:

...6. the problems that arise from drug violence is from the illegal trade of drugs almost every time, not because of the general use of drugs...

at which time it stops being about drugs and starts being about money(as if it wasnt always).

Smellyman

Coke is used far more among Lawyers and Bankers than any other segment of poplulation imo.

I see it all the time.

chadwick

Smellyman wrote:

Coke is used far more among Lawyers and Bankers than any other segment of poplulation imo.

I see it all the time.

and the rush linbaugh types

they scream for druggies to be jailed yet they are raging addicts very scared to come out and be who they truly are. this the life of a coward... a very spoiled coward @ that

Byrnzie

chadwick wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

the best lawyers in town are on cocaine, booze, and nailing all their female bees. they are living like kings and queens while snorting and chugging the fastlife.

True, and funny.

big mick

I thought this thread was about the war on drugs, not an admission for WHO'S on drugs? Too many admissions...... Drugs generally are bad news, tear families apart and destroy lives. There are exceptions but your average Joe is the guy who will suffer most. Treatment is the best option, but I'm talking Class A drugs not weed.

your move now

but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

drugs death and prision or the streets don't care if you are a republican or a democrate
and the guy selling drugs to your little sister or brother don't much care about you or them either, and tell me what you know about drug addiction a 100 years ago...no really I would love to hear.
just saying that if drugs were legalized it would pop the lid open on a can whoop-ass that would leave the public dazed and wondering what the hell did we do ? this ain't like booze and it ain't as simple as just a little weed.

Godfather.

i been a drug addict and alcoholic on and off since i was 13 or 14 years old. not one time have i or my friends died, been to prison because of drugs or booze, and not one of us have been homeless. some of the best dope comes from rigid republicans w/ old money from back when great grandfather worked 16 hrs a day 7 days a week for the railroad and farmed and bought farms and bought real estate.

the best lawyers in town are on cocaine, booze, and nailing all their female bees. they are living like kings and queens while snorting and chugging the fastlife.

the united states government is full of shit beyond what any of us can invision as something comprehensible.

alcohol and cigarettes being slung by the warmest of the warm, our wonderful uncle Sam, god bless his soul. stupid piece of shit d.c. politicians. i can't stand it any more.

and here i was months ago pretty much demanding cigarettes be illegal... i now know i was dead wrong in my position. we are free, god dammit.

we the people of the united states of america demand drugs and whatever other substances we desire to be legal and or decriminalized. the war on drugs is a complete waste of time and money and only provokes use.

and god bless the international drug smugglers, famers near and far, and the zig zag rolling papers from france.

why can't the united states government study the model of the Netherlands and try something like that here?

sex and drugs. many would appreaciate the red light district and a legal bong hit or 13. and what about our national debt to china and whom ever else?

go get em, newt gingrich, you stupid shit.

w/ all due respect, Godfather, you are being brainwashed.

no my friend I haven't been brain washed by the police or the government but I have lived and experianced drug addiction(16 year addict) and during that time have lost too many friends to drugs and
and if we were not on a forum I could rattle off at least 10 names of guys that went to prision and just as many that died and all directly related to drugs.

Godfather.

he still stands

your move now wrote:

but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal

yes. It seems like people are taking my post to mean I support drug use, which couldn't more less true. Godfather in particular, who posts resemble a Mr. Mackey type of response about drug use being "bad" in general. Yes, I agree, it can be. But our current way to approach drug use is not only not working or superfluous, it is deleterious. A paradigm shift is needed and I think a basic tenet of that approach is to acknowledge that people have a fundamental right to put whatever they choose into their own body.

mikepegg44

the fact that we have been fighting a losing war on drugs for decades should open some eyes to the fact that the battle isn't winnable...it is like a war on terror...you will never be able to say "there...got em all"

So isn't it time to change philosophies...I mean there are far worse crimes than Pot...look at Madoff...can you imagine if we put our resources that are WASTED on the drug war toward catching the next madoff BEFORE he rips of billions...the priorities of our criminal justice system are so far misguided one feels that it must be done on purpose for some sinister end. I am no conspiracy theorist...but seriously...how can you continually throw billions into a losing proposition and call yourself good stewards of tax payer dollars?

Godfather.

guys we all have an opinion, most people don't see the actual danger of the drug world till it takes a family member or close friend, I don't ever see drugs being legal in the US but if were to happen I would deal with life much as I do now and come post with you good folks on the moving train...and maybe open a weed /hash bar

Godfather.

chadwick

Godfather. wrote:

guys we all have an opinion, most people don't see the actual danger of the drug world till it takes a family member or close friend, I don't ever see drugs being legal in the US but if were to happen I would deal with life much as I do now and come post with you good folks on the moving train...and maybe open a weed /hash bar

Godfather.

you my friend are full of poop. your eyes brown? now stop it and get a grip on yourself.

you have to wait until it is legal to sling weed/hash out your bar? you never supported the use of weed or hash until legalized? that is rich of you, Sir.

your weed/hash bar dream when legalized is a comical joke to me.

w/ all due respect i still love you but wow, dude, you are full of cow dung

chadwick

godfather, you are no outlaw. now get to work and stop posting on your job's time-clock
do not force me to contact the internet authorities

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

guys we all have an opinion, most people don't see the actual danger of the drug world till it takes a family member or close friend, I don't ever see drugs being legal in the US but if were to happen I would deal with life much as I do now and come post with you good folks on the moving train...and maybe open a weed /hash bar

Godfather.

you my friend are full of poop. your eyes brown? now stop it and get a grip on yourself.

you have to wait until it is legal to sling weed/hash out your bar? you never supported the use of weed or hash until legalized? that is rich of you, Sir.

your weed/hash bar dream when legalized is a comical joke to me.

w/ all due respect i still love you but wow, dude, you are full of cow dung

BUSTED !!!!!! thank you my friend for stating the truth.

Godfather.

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

godfather, you are no outlaw. now get to work and stop posting on your job's time-clock
do not force me to contact the internet authorities

I'm off and away brother and back to work.

Godfather.

big mick

your move now wrote:

but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal

Exactly! Treat addiction as an illness/recovery and the criminal aspect with court, continuing effective treatment inside prisons or with effective drug correction orders in community settings.

Godfather.

mh210105 wrote:

your move now wrote:

but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal

Exactly! Treat addiction as an illness/recovery and the criminal aspect with court, continuing effective treatment inside prisons or with effective drug correction orders in community settings.

so you guys are saying give people the opertunity (legally) to become drug addicts then call their choice a illness once they're addicted ? ....and maybe give them state or federal support....ummmmm now thats a great idea sign me up !! ...stupid stupid stupid :shock:


Godfather.

Godfather.

mh210105 wrote:

your move now wrote:

but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal

Exactly! Treat addiction as an illness/recovery and the criminal aspect with court, continuing effective treatment inside prisons or with effective drug correction orders in community settings.

guess who runs the inside of the prisons..there is plenty of dope in prison.

Godfather.