but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal
yes. It seems like people are taking my post to mean I support drug use, which couldn't more less true. Godfather in particular, who posts resemble a Mr. Mackey type of response about drug use being "bad" in general. Yes, I agree, it can be. But our current way to approach drug use is not only not working or superfluous, it is deleterious. A paradigm shift is needed and I think a basic tenet of that approach is to acknowledge that people have a fundamental right to put whatever they choose into their own body.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
the fact that we have been fighting a losing war on drugs for decades should open some eyes to the fact that the battle isn't winnable...it is like a war on terror...you will never be able to say "there...got em all"
So isn't it time to change philosophies...I mean there are far worse crimes than Pot...look at Madoff...can you imagine if we put our resources that are WASTED on the drug war toward catching the next madoff BEFORE he rips of billions...the priorities of our criminal justice system are so far misguided one feels that it must be done on purpose for some sinister end. I am no conspiracy theorist...but seriously...how can you continually throw billions into a losing proposition and call yourself good stewards of tax payer dollars?
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guys we all have an opinion, most people don't see the actual danger of the drug world till it takes a family member or close friend, I don't ever see drugs being legal in the US but if were to happen I would deal with life much as I do now and come post with you good folks on the moving train...and maybe open a weed /hash bar
guys we all have an opinion, most people don't see the actual danger of the drug world till it takes a family member or close friend, I don't ever see drugs being legal in the US but if were to happen I would deal with life much as I do now and come post with you good folks on the moving train...and maybe open a weed /hash bar
Godfather.
you my friend are full of poop. your eyes brown? now stop it and get a grip on yourself.
you have to wait until it is legal to sling weed/hash out your bar? you never supported the use of weed or hash until legalized? that is rich of you, Sir.
your weed/hash bar dream when legalized is a comical joke to me.
w/ all due respect i still love you but wow, dude, you are full of cow dung
guys we all have an opinion, most people don't see the actual danger of the drug world till it takes a family member or close friend, I don't ever see drugs being legal in the US but if were to happen I would deal with life much as I do now and come post with you good folks on the moving train...and maybe open a weed /hash bar
Godfather.
you my friend are full of poop. your eyes brown? now stop it and get a grip on yourself.
you have to wait until it is legal to sling weed/hash out your bar? you never supported the use of weed or hash until legalized? that is rich of you, Sir.
your weed/hash bar dream when legalized is a comical joke to me.
w/ all due respect i still love you but wow, dude, you are full of cow dung
BUSTED !!!!!! thank you my friend for stating the truth.
but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal
Exactly! Treat addiction as an illness/recovery and the criminal aspect with court, continuing effective treatment inside prisons or with effective drug correction orders in community settings.
Reading England 2006, Manchester England 2009, London England 2010, Manchester 1 2012, EV London 1 2012
but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal
Exactly! Treat addiction as an illness/recovery and the criminal aspect with court, continuing effective treatment inside prisons or with effective drug correction orders in community settings.
so you guys are saying give people the opertunity (legally) to become drug addicts then call their choice a illness once they're addicted ? ....and maybe give them state or federal support....ummmmm now thats a great idea sign me up !! ...stupid stupid stupid :shock:
but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal
Exactly! Treat addiction as an illness/recovery and the criminal aspect with court, continuing effective treatment inside prisons or with effective drug correction orders in community settings.
guess who runs the inside of the prisons..there is plenty of dope in prison.
but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal
Exactly! Treat addiction as an illness/recovery and the criminal aspect with court, continuing effective treatment inside prisons or with effective drug correction orders in community settings.
guess who runs the inside of the prisons..there is plenty of dope in prison.
Godfather.
I'm not stoopid! But if you're going to lock someone up, there should be replacement therapies available and help them find a way out! So what you're saying is let people follow the course of their addiction with no consequence, running a mock doing what they choose? Get a grip!
Reading England 2006, Manchester England 2009, London England 2010, Manchester 1 2012, EV London 1 2012
For me the real problem with the war on drugs is the marijuana. I think it should be legalized. I do not see it being any more destructive than alcohol. It is still a classified schedule I drug along with heroin and LSD!! It is rated higher than cocaine. That's crazy. However, I do not think cocaine, meth, heroin, or any other strong opiate should be legal. I believe we should be treating these drug dealers as terrorists. They are destroying countless lives and families and costing the country billions. For the casual user that doesn't have a drug problem it shouldn't be a big deal to do it at home, safely without the fear of getting caught. I mean if you don't have a problem and can handle your drugs then why do you get caught? You needed it so bad that you had to go to a shady place to buy it and were pulled over? You couldn't wait to smoke/shoot/snort it somewhere safe and had to risk doing it in plain sight? If you know something is bad for you, you know you might get busted doing it, and you know it finances death and murder, but you need it so bad that it you have to risk it, you may have a problem. I'm not bullshitting about the terrorism though. I really think the defense department should be more involved in protecting the country from drugs then political and religious extremists. For those who claim that it should be legalized because a person has the right to damage their own body, I agree. But it doesn't. Addiction is a disease that not only infects the host but sickens all who come in contact with it. Friends, family, the workplace, schools, and random strangers who are caught between the crossfire.
no I didn't call you stupid mh210105
sorry you took it that way, I went thru a rehab program and paid for it myself and did not get any funding
it was my choice to do drugs and my choice to get clean, my point of stupid stupid stupid is this...you all want to legalize drugs then then call addiction a illness that will be covered by state or federal funding no doubt...that would be setting up people to fail at the cost of the hard working tax payers and that is stupid !...don't ya think
For me the real problem with the war on drugs is the marijuana. I think it should be legalized. I do not see it being any more destructive than alcohol. It is still a classified schedule I drug along with heroin and LSD!! It is rated higher than cocaine. That's crazy. However, I do not think cocaine, meth, heroin, or any other strong opiate should be legal. I believe we should be treating these drug dealers as terrorists. They are destroying countless lives and families and costing the country billions. For the casual user that doesn't have a drug problem it shouldn't be a big deal to do it at home, safely without the fear of getting caught. I mean if you don't have a problem and can handle your drugs then why do you get caught? You needed it so bad that you had to go to a shady place to buy it and were pulled over? You couldn't wait to smoke/shoot/snort it somewhere safe and had to risk doing it in plain sight? If you know something is bad for you, you know you might get busted doing it, and you know it finances death and murder, but you need it so bad that it you have to risk it, you may have a problem. I'm not bullshitting about the terrorism though. I really think the defense department should be more involved in protecting the country from drugs then political and religious extremists. For those who claim that it should be legalized because a person has the right to damage their own body, I agree. But it doesn't. Addiction is a disease that not only infects the host but sickens all who come in contact with it. Friends, family, the workplace, schools, and random strangers who are caught between the crossfire.
no I didn't call you stupid mh210105
sorry you took it that way, I went thru a rehab program and paid for it myself and did not get any funding
it was my choice to do drugs and my choice to get clean, my point of stupid stupid stupid is this...you all want to legalize drugs then then call addiction a illness that will be covered by state or federal funding no doubt...that would be setting up people to fail at the cost of the hard working tax payers and that is stupid !...don't ya think
Godfather.
This is pretty much how treatment is run in the UK.
Reading England 2006, Manchester England 2009, London England 2010, Manchester 1 2012, EV London 1 2012
but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal
oh girl you making too much sense.
i just find it weird that drugs are illegal.. but not ALL drugs. just seems to be the ones the govts cant control. i dont see why i cant grow my own personal plants in my veggie patch alongside my tomatoes without the law breathing down my neck.
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but isn't that really the overall point, that use/addiction/abuse should be treated as medical not criminal
oh girl you making too much sense.
i just find it weird that drugs are illegal.. but not ALL drugs. just seems to be the ones the govts cant control. i dont see why i cant grow my own personal plants in my veggie patch alongside my tomatoes without the law breathing down my neck.
thank you, catester. and can you imagine the gardens in your lands? y'all have some major sunlight goin on. i'd imagine w/ a lil drink of water and the right nitrogen rich soil, the land over there would produce huge tomatoes
better not though, catester. the united states might get all up in your ass for having a garden 19,000 miles from uncle dick
well we are directly under an army flight path so....
the usa bombs other countries over plants all the time. poor mexico, central and south america. murder them poor ppl down there then steal their crop and sell it.
better not though, catester. the united states might get all up in your ass for having a garden 19,000 miles from uncle dick
well we are directly under an army flight path so....
the usa bombs other countries over plants all the time. poor mexico, central and south america. murder them poor ppl down there then steal their crop and sell it.
yeah im not really all that concerned about the US dropping a bomb on my veggie patch.
hear my name
take a good look
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yes. It seems like people are taking my post to mean I support drug use, which couldn't more less true. Godfather in particular, who posts resemble a Mr. Mackey type of response about drug use being "bad" in general. Yes, I agree, it can be. But our current way to approach drug use is not only not working or superfluous, it is deleterious. A paradigm shift is needed and I think a basic tenet of that approach is to acknowledge that people have a fundamental right to put whatever they choose into their own body.
So isn't it time to change philosophies...I mean there are far worse crimes than Pot...look at Madoff...can you imagine if we put our resources that are WASTED on the drug war toward catching the next madoff BEFORE he rips of billions...the priorities of our criminal justice system are so far misguided one feels that it must be done on purpose for some sinister end. I am no conspiracy theorist...but seriously...how can you continually throw billions into a losing proposition and call yourself good stewards of tax payer dollars?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Godfather.
you have to wait until it is legal to sling weed/hash out your bar? you never supported the use of weed or hash until legalized? that is rich of you, Sir.
your weed/hash bar dream when legalized is a comical joke to me.
w/ all due respect i still love you but wow, dude, you are full of cow dung
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I am tired; my heart is
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Godfather.
I'm off and away brother and back to work.
Godfather.
so you guys are saying give people the opertunity (legally) to become drug addicts then call their choice a illness once they're addicted ? ....and maybe give them state or federal support....ummmmm now thats a great idea sign me up !!
Godfather.
guess who runs the inside of the prisons..there is plenty of dope in prison.
Godfather.
sorry you took it that way, I went thru a rehab program and paid for it myself and did not get any funding
it was my choice to do drugs and my choice to get clean, my point of stupid stupid stupid is this...you all want to legalize drugs then then call addiction a illness that will be covered by state or federal funding no doubt...that would be setting up people to fail at the cost of the hard working tax payers and that is stupid !...don't ya think
Godfather.
great post !
Godfather.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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:shh: shhhhhh.. there is no such thing and no secret international drug smugglers it's all a pigment of your intoxication......
Godfather.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I thought that's what secret government anything was around here
Godfather.
oh girl you making too much sense.
i just find it weird that drugs are illegal.. but not ALL drugs. just seems to be the ones the govts cant control. i dont see why i cant grow my own personal plants in my veggie patch alongside my tomatoes without the law breathing down my neck.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
well we are directly under an army flight path so....
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
yeah im not really all that concerned about the US dropping a bomb on my veggie patch.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce