Cornell in online Wal-Mart ad

UpSideDown

DewieCox wrote:

Let's be realistic folks and take the PJ-tinted glasses off for a sec. If you think there's something wrong with Cornell schlepping walmart's crap, then there's something wrong with PJ doin it for Target.

Agreed, and for the record I think they both could have made wiser choices.

I used to work at a Walmart as well.

LloydXmas

DischordVision wrote:

as for Cornell, I kinda lost respect for him individually considering the Scream album and now this. I love Soundgarden which is a separate beast altogether.

You lost respect for Cornell but not pearl jam after they allowed this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCYnUBXdZgg&sns=em

Cosmo

Wal-Mart sells Chris Cornell stuff?
I didn't know Chris Cornell was Chinese.

Jason P

Cosmo wrote:

Wal-Mart sells Chris Cornell stuff?
I didn't know Chris Cornell was Chinese.

A wooden Cornell is from Korea, Canada, or maybe Taiwan.

chadwick

Cosmo wrote:

Wal-Mart sells Chris Cornell stuff?
I didn't know Chris Cornell was Chinese.

ha. sound garden's guuitar dude appears to me to be of oriental decent. maybe he just stoned as hell and his eyes went small?

DewieCox

chadwick wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Wal-Mart sells Chris Cornell stuff?
I didn't know Chris Cornell was Chinese.

ha. sound garden's guuitar dude appears to me to be of oriental decent. maybe he just stoned as hell and his eyes went small?

I always thought he looked more middle-eastern. Maybe it's the beard?

EDIT: wiki says his parents are from India

JonnyPistachio

Jason P wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Wal-Mart sells Chris Cornell stuff?
I didn't know Chris Cornell was Chinese.

A wooden Cornell is from Korea, Canada, or maybe Taiwan.

People are really losing respect for a person for making an ad?
tough crowd.

chadwick

DewieCox wrote:

chadwick wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Wal-Mart sells Chris Cornell stuff?
I didn't know Chris Cornell was Chinese.

ha. sound garden's guuitar dude appears to me to be of oriental decent. maybe he just stoned as hell and his eyes went small?

I always thought he looked more middle-eastern. Maybe it's the beard?

EDIT: wiki says his parents are from India

whatever happened to this dude?

orangedive

on2legs wrote:

orangedive wrote:

Millions upon millions of people get necessities (that is, food and toiletries, etc) not DVDs not cool zippo lighters not overpriced backpacks. Necessities. Things you and I take for granted. Millions of people get those things cheaper. I'm not saying WalMart is to be worshipped. I'm just saying that it's very "cool" to hate WM, but not many people ever mention that their are people who depend on WalMart's low prices to take care of their families.

It's possible that more people benefit from WalMart than not.

Economically speaking, low prices are good for people. This is an absolute truth. If WalMart started charging higher prices in order to allow distributors to charge more etc, people would accuse them of price gouging.

Again, I'm not some lover of WM, I'm just trying to point out that WM does help people who have low incomes. I know it's not politically correct to say anything good about WM, but walk in there sometime. See who's shopping there voluntarily exchanging their money for goods they desperately need.

BTW, I didn't mean to take the thread off track. Sorry about that.

Your assertion that Walmart is "good" for poor people simply because they provide low priced merchandise is naive and simplistic. It fails to take into account the behind the scenes economic forces that allow Walmart to provide those "everyday low prices".

I encourage you to read the link I posted above. It might change your point of view on this issue.

It's actually not naive and simplistic. I have spent many hours studying economic theory (I hate to pull that card, but I want you to know I'm not just spouting off to be irritating). I used to believe wholeheartedly in your perspective, but then I learned the economics they didn't teach in college.

Here are a couple of books that helped me learn and understand what really helps pull people out of poverty:

http://www.amazon.com/Economics-One-Les ... gy_b_img_c

http://www.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-Docu ... gy_b_img_c

http://www.amazon.com/Human-Action-Pock ... 255&sr=8-1

The other thing about the "behind-the-scenes" forces: I assume you are referring to the poor working conditions and low wages in other countries that allow us to have cheap goods (sorry, I haven't had time to get into your link). One thing that most people don't consider...while the low wages in China, for instance, seem terrible to us, they may be helping those folks in that country. What's their alternative? Not to work at all? To have no money? Just like you, I wish they could have a higher standard of living. But they are voluntarily working for those wages that seem "low" to us. Those wages are having a positive effect on their lives or else they wouldn't do that work.

Again, I'm not saying that I'm happy about their current living conditions and wages, but we don't live in a perfect world. In America in the 1800s, for instance, the standard of living was very low compared to now. People worked for very low wages and lived in poverty. But those low wages rise over time as capital accumulates. America is a great example. In a few decades, you'll see wages rates in China (other things remaining equal, of course) rise. In fact. we've already seen a tremendous rise in the standard of living in China since the 1970s. Same with India.

Anyway, sorry to go on about this. I will check out your link. I encourage you check out the books I posted. Especially that first one, Economics in One Lesson.

Godfather.

on2legs wrote:

orangedive wrote:

You know what's weird: WalMart brings a ton of necessities to people for very low prices. Lots of poor people are able to get things like toilet paper, food, soap, etc because of their low prices. Everyone hates WalMart but no one considers that their business model allows low-income people to afford the stuff they really need.

Oh, and about Chris Cornell...good for him.

At face value, your post seems to be logical and to make perfect sense. But in reality, all those low prices actually serve to be a long term detriment to the working class. Walmart places intense pressure on suppliers to provide products at low prices which in turn forces the manufacturers to layoff workers, reduce wages and benefits, reduce the quality of the product, or outsource the production to maintain profitability. The Walmart business model is not good for poor people. Check the link below for a great article on the hidden impact of Walmart's business model:

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

welcome to corprate America...world, do you think walmart is the only company doing this ?
I go to a lot of meeting her at work (large corp.) and the bottom line is always the same
"we need to stay competive" and let me tell you that it's not all price cuts and hiring freezes
it's also lay-offs as well during these times along with out sorcing as well to mexico, poland, tiwan
and some other 3rd world countries, I don't shop walmart either but if I were a band or a mfg. looking to market my goods I would be a fool to turn them down because they have more locations and customers than just about anyone else out there so really lets do the math/homework before slinging mud at anybody

Godfather.

catefrances

advertising is why television exists... the shows in between were just to keep you hooked til the ad breaks... where they could flog you stuff, most of which you dont need and the rest of which youd buy as a matter of course anyways.. 3 ply toilet paper??? come one who needs that... really??? ever wondered why they them soap operas??? and billboards are just visual pollution.... keep your eyes on the friggin' road please. commercial radio.... gives me hives cause of the adverts and the crap music they play. i have zero tolerance for advertising.

chadwick

catefrances wrote:

advertising is why television exists... the shows in between were just to keep you hooked til the ad breaks... where they could flog you stuff, most of which you dont need and the rest of which youd buy as a matter of course anyways.. 3 ply toilet paper??? come one who needs that... really??? ever wondered why they them soap operas??? and billboards are just visual pollution.... keep your eyes on the friggin' road please. commercial radio.... gives me hives cause of the adverts and the crap music they play. i have zero tolerance for advertising.

i heard the other day that advertising is dying. this is nice.

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

catefrances wrote:

advertising is why television exists... the shows in between were just to keep you hooked til the ad breaks... where they could flog you stuff, most of which you dont need and the rest of which youd buy as a matter of course anyways.. 3 ply toilet paper??? come one who needs that... really??? ever wondered why they them soap operas??? and billboards are just visual pollution.... keep your eyes on the friggin' road please. commercial radio.... gives me hives cause of the adverts and the crap music they play. i have zero tolerance for advertising.

i heard the other day that advertising is dying. this is nice.

ha ha my wife drives me nutz when we watch t.v,soon as a commercial comes on she's surfing the channels then goes back....I friggen hate that !

Godfather.

chadwick

Godfather. wrote:

ha ha my wife drives me nutz when we watch t.v,soon as a commercial comes on she's surfing the channels then goes back....I friggen hate that !

Godfather.

i like your wife.

NewJPage

orangedive wrote:

on2legs wrote:

orangedive wrote:

Millions upon millions of people get necessities (that is, food and toiletries, etc) not DVDs not cool zippo lighters not overpriced backpacks. Necessities. Things you and I take for granted. Millions of people get those things cheaper. I'm not saying WalMart is to be worshipped. I'm just saying that it's very "cool" to hate WM, but not many people ever mention that their are people who depend on WalMart's low prices to take care of their families.

It's possible that more people benefit from WalMart than not.

Economically speaking, low prices are good for people. This is an absolute truth. If WalMart started charging higher prices in order to allow distributors to charge more etc, people would accuse them of price gouging.

Again, I'm not some lover of WM, I'm just trying to point out that WM does help people who have low incomes. I know it's not politically correct to say anything good about WM, but walk in there sometime. See who's shopping there voluntarily exchanging their money for goods they desperately need.

BTW, I didn't mean to take the thread off track. Sorry about that.

Your assertion that Walmart is "good" for poor people simply because they provide low priced merchandise is naive and simplistic. It fails to take into account the behind the scenes economic forces that allow Walmart to provide those "everyday low prices".

I encourage you to read the link I posted above. It might change your point of view on this issue.

But they are voluntarily working for those wages that seem "low" to us. Those wages are having a positive effect on their lives or else they wouldn't do that work.

I think you need to spend more than "several hours" studying economic theory. Volunteering? Um, no. And I live in a so-called "third world" country. I know some of these people. Believe me, their lives are not great.

on2legs

I have spent many hours studying economic theory (I hate to pull that card, but I want you to know I'm not just spouting off to be irritating). I used to believe wholeheartedly in your perspective, but then I learned the economics they didn't teach in college.

Here are a couple of books that helped me learn and understand what really helps pull people out of poverty:

http://www.amazon.com/Economics-One-Les ... gy_b_img_c

http://www.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-Docu ... gy_b_img_c

http://www.amazon.com/Human-Action-Pock ... 255&sr=8-1

The other thing about the "behind-the-scenes" forces: I assume you are referring to the poor working conditions and low wages in other countries that allow us to have cheap goods (sorry, I haven't had time to get into your link). One thing that most people don't consider...while the low wages in China, for instance, seem terrible to us, they may be helping those folks in that country. What's their alternative? Not to work at all? To have no money? Just like you, I wish they could have a higher standard of living. But they are voluntarily working for those wages that seem "low" to us. Those wages are having a positive effect on their lives or else they wouldn't do that work.

Again, I'm not saying that I'm happy about their current living conditions and wages, but we don't live in a perfect world. In America in the 1800s, for instance, the standard of living was very low compared to now. People worked for very low wages and lived in poverty. But those low wages rise over time as capital accumulates. America is a great example. In a few decades, you'll see wages rates in China (other things remaining equal, of course) rise. In fact. we've already seen a tremendous rise in the standard of living in China since the 1970s. Same with India.

Anyway, sorry to go on about this. I will check out your link. I encourage you check out the books I posted. Especially that first one, Economics in One Lesson.

Wow! I had no idea George Bush was a 10 Club member.

Welcome to the Porch, George :roll:

on2legs

NewJPage wrote:

I think you need to spend more than "several hours" studying economic theory. Volunteering? Um, no. And I live in a so-called "third world" country. I know some of these people. Believe me, their lives are not great.

It doesn't matter that you know these people. Orangedive has studied economic theory and knows that they must be happy making Nike sneakers for next to nothing or else they wouldn't be doing.

Working in a sweatshop has a positive effect on people's lives - its basic economic theory.

catefrances

on2legs wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

I think you need to spend more than "several hours" studying economic theory. Volunteering? Um, no. And I live in a so-called "third world" country. I know some of these people. Believe me, their lives are not great.

It doesn't matter that you know these people. Orangedive has studied economic theory and knows that they must be happy making Nike sneakers for next to nothing or else they wouldn't be doing.

Working in a sweatshop has a positive effect on people's lives - its basic economic theory.

well good for orangedive for studying economics... but do you seriously think these people would choose starving over working for next to nothing? would you? fuck knows i wouldnt. theyd be grateful to be able to provide what little they could for their family... and all so that privileged western kids could be like mike. how dare you assume their worth is less than yours. it isnt. you wouldnt work for a pittance... why do you expect they should? shame on you. basic economic theory my arse.

7RayZ

I work for Wal-Mart atm. I had to choke swallow my pride about the things Im completely against to be with my kids and work on getting them out of here. Have to bite my tongue every time I get a customer who starts sharing my views about the company. We're wired for audio on the registers.


I was honestly in tears when I took the job.


However, Im told by society I should shut up and be thankful for my $7.65 hr job. I take my pay and put it back into the community and dont shop there.

BTW. I was making more $$ in 1989.

ledvedderman

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