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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    advertising is why television exists... the shows in between were just to keep you hooked til the ad breaks... where they could flog you stuff, most of which you dont need and the rest of which youd buy as a matter of course anyways.. 3 ply toilet paper??? come one who needs that... really??? ever wondered why they them soap operas??? and billboards are just visual pollution.... keep your eyes on the friggin' road please. commercial radio.... gives me hives cause of the adverts and the crap music they play. i have zero tolerance for advertising.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    advertising is why television exists... the shows in between were just to keep you hooked til the ad breaks... where they could flog you stuff, most of which you dont need and the rest of which youd buy as a matter of course anyways.. 3 ply toilet paper??? come one who needs that... really??? ever wondered why they them soap operas??? and billboards are just visual pollution.... keep your eyes on the friggin' road please. commercial radio.... gives me hives cause of the adverts and the crap music they play. i have zero tolerance for advertising.
    i heard the other day that advertising is dying. this is nice.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    chadwick wrote:
    advertising is why television exists... the shows in between were just to keep you hooked til the ad breaks... where they could flog you stuff, most of which you dont need and the rest of which youd buy as a matter of course anyways.. 3 ply toilet paper??? come one who needs that... really??? ever wondered why they them soap operas??? and billboards are just visual pollution.... keep your eyes on the friggin' road please. commercial radio.... gives me hives cause of the adverts and the crap music they play. i have zero tolerance for advertising.
    i heard the other day that advertising is dying. this is nice.

    ha ha my wife drives me nutz when we watch t.v,soon as a commercial comes on she's surfing the channels then goes back....I friggen hate that ! :lol:

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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Godfather. wrote:
    ha ha my wife drives me nutz when we watch t.v,soon as a commercial comes on she's surfing the channels then goes back....I friggen hate that ! :lol:

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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,310
    orangedive wrote:
    on2legs wrote:
    orangedive wrote:
    Millions upon millions of people get necessities (that is, food and toiletries, etc) not DVDs not cool zippo lighters not overpriced backpacks. Necessities. Things you and I take for granted. Millions of people get those things cheaper. I'm not saying WalMart is to be worshipped. I'm just saying that it's very "cool" to hate WM, but not many people ever mention that their are people who depend on WalMart's low prices to take care of their families.

    It's possible that more people benefit from WalMart than not.

    Economically speaking, low prices are good for people. This is an absolute truth. If WalMart started charging higher prices in order to allow distributors to charge more etc, people would accuse them of price gouging.

    Again, I'm not some lover of WM, I'm just trying to point out that WM does help people who have low incomes. I know it's not politically correct to say anything good about WM, but walk in there sometime. See who's shopping there voluntarily exchanging their money for goods they desperately need.

    BTW, I didn't mean to take the thread off track. Sorry about that.

    Your assertion that Walmart is "good" for poor people simply because they provide low priced merchandise is naive and simplistic. It fails to take into account the behind the scenes economic forces that allow Walmart to provide those "everyday low prices".

    I encourage you to read the link I posted above. It might change your point of view on this issue.

    But they are voluntarily working for those wages that seem "low" to us. Those wages are having a positive effect on their lives or else they wouldn't do that work.

    I think you need to spend more than "several hours" studying economic theory. Volunteering? Um, no. And I live in a so-called "third world" country. I know some of these people. Believe me, their lives are not great.
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  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,335
    I have spent many hours studying economic theory (I hate to pull that card, but I want you to know I'm not just spouting off to be irritating). I used to believe wholeheartedly in your perspective, but then I learned the economics they didn't teach in college.

    Here are a couple of books that helped me learn and understand what really helps pull people out of poverty:

    http://www.amazon.com/Economics-One-Les ... gy_b_img_c

    http://www.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-Docu ... gy_b_img_c

    http://www.amazon.com/Human-Action-Pock ... 255&sr=8-1

    The other thing about the "behind-the-scenes" forces: I assume you are referring to the poor working conditions and low wages in other countries that allow us to have cheap goods (sorry, I haven't had time to get into your link). One thing that most people don't consider...while the low wages in China, for instance, seem terrible to us, they may be helping those folks in that country. What's their alternative? Not to work at all? To have no money? Just like you, I wish they could have a higher standard of living. But they are voluntarily working for those wages that seem "low" to us. Those wages are having a positive effect on their lives or else they wouldn't do that work.

    Again, I'm not saying that I'm happy about their current living conditions and wages, but we don't live in a perfect world. In America in the 1800s, for instance, the standard of living was very low compared to now. People worked for very low wages and lived in poverty. But those low wages rise over time as capital accumulates. America is a great example. In a few decades, you'll see wages rates in China (other things remaining equal, of course) rise. In fact. we've already seen a tremendous rise in the standard of living in China since the 1970s. Same with India.

    Anyway, sorry to go on about this. I will check out your link. I encourage you check out the books I posted. Especially that first one, Economics in One Lesson.

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  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,335
    NewJPage wrote:

    I think you need to spend more than "several hours" studying economic theory. Volunteering? Um, no. And I live in a so-called "third world" country. I know some of these people. Believe me, their lives are not great.

    It doesn't matter that you know these people. Orangedive has studied economic theory and knows that they must be happy making Nike sneakers for next to nothing or else they wouldn't be doing.

    Working in a sweatshop has a positive effect on people's lives - its basic economic theory.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    on2legs wrote:
    NewJPage wrote:

    I think you need to spend more than "several hours" studying economic theory. Volunteering? Um, no. And I live in a so-called "third world" country. I know some of these people. Believe me, their lives are not great.

    It doesn't matter that you know these people. Orangedive has studied economic theory and knows that they must be happy making Nike sneakers for next to nothing or else they wouldn't be doing.

    Working in a sweatshop has a positive effect on people's lives - its basic economic theory.


    well good for orangedive for studying economics... but do you seriously think these people would choose starving over working for next to nothing? would you? fuck knows i wouldnt. theyd be grateful to be able to provide what little they could for their family... and all so that privileged western kids could be like mike. how dare you assume their worth is less than yours. it isnt. you wouldnt work for a pittance... why do you expect they should? shame on you. basic economic theory my arse.
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  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    I work for Wal-Mart atm. I had to choke swallow my pride about the things Im completely against to be with my kids and work on getting them out of here. Have to bite my tongue every time I get a customer who starts sharing my views about the company. We're wired for audio on the registers.


    I was honestly in tears when I took the job.


    However, Im told by society I should shut up and be thankful for my $7.65 hr job. I take my pay and put it back into the community and dont shop there.

    BTW. I was making more $$ in 1989.
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  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    orangedive wrote:
    You know what's weird: WalMart brings a ton of necessities to people for very low prices. Lots of poor people are able to get things like toilet paper, food, soap, etc because of their low prices. Everyone hates WalMart but no one considers that their business model allows low-income people to afford the stuff they really need.

    Oh, and about Chris Cornell...good for him.

    its the business perpetuation of low wages.... lower
    lower
    lower

    work, health, ecological standards...down the drain.


    like the days of old... "Im workin just for the company store" on the brightside we have "this" because of world wide slave labor :

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-1 ... dberg.html

    god forbid the working monkeys should be deft of such culture, who most likely couldnt afford the price of admission :lol: anyway

    shall I say this monster is destroying our small town living? Blasting business owners into the shitter.

    One more thing, Im wired. My productivity report @ 550 pieces an hour with an accuracy rate of 100%.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    I think we will see online internet sales start to take a chunk out to the retail giants like Walmart ... even Walmart is expanding their online portion.

    It will be interesting what the reaction will be when the nation's largest employer starts closing doors and cutting jobs due to the next evolutionary step in shopping.

    Also, the new Chris Cornell CD is really good. I suggest either Walmart or Amazon for the lowest price. ;)
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  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    Dont worry. If the world really falls to shit they are going to be turned into FEMA genocidal warehouses for people. Welcome to the meat grinder.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I would love to see this ad. A link would be great!
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,335
    on2legs wrote:
    NewJPage wrote:

    I think you need to spend more than "several hours" studying economic theory. Volunteering? Um, no. And I live in a so-called "third world" country. I know some of these people. Believe me, their lives are not great.

    It doesn't matter that you know these people. Orangedive has studied economic theory and knows that they must be happy making Nike sneakers for next to nothing or else they wouldn't be doing.

    Working in a sweatshop has a positive effect on people's lives - its basic economic theory.


    well good for orangedive for studying economics... but do you seriously think these people would choose starving over working for next to nothing? would you? fuck knows i wouldnt. theyd be grateful to be able to provide what little they could for their family... and all so that privileged western kids could be like mike. how dare you assume their worth is less than yours. it isnt. you wouldnt work for a pittance... why do you expect they should? shame on you. basic economic theory my arse.

    If that post is directed at me you have no ability to grasp sarcasm.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    on2legs wrote:
    on2legs wrote:
    It doesn't matter that you know these people. Orangedive has studied economic theory and knows that they must be happy making Nike sneakers for next to nothing or else they wouldn't be doing.

    Working in a sweatshop has a positive effect on people's lives - its basic economic theory.


    well good for orangedive for studying economics... but do you seriously think these people would choose starving over working for next to nothing? would you? fuck knows i wouldnt. theyd be grateful to be able to provide what little they could for their family... and all so that privileged western kids could be like mike. how dare you assume their worth is less than yours. it isnt. you wouldnt work for a pittance... why do you expect they should? shame on you. basic economic theory my arse.

    If that post is directed at me you have no ability to grasp sarcasm.


    it was and i apologise.. im not exactly working at optimum capacity atm. i can grasp sarcasm... and very well usually... tho might i suggest the use of the winky emoticon to make it clearer.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    DewieCox wrote:
    orangedive wrote:
    You know what's weird: WalMart brings a ton of necessities to people for very low prices. Lots of poor people are able to get things like toilet paper, food, soap, etc because of their low prices. Everyone hates WalMart but no one considers that their business model allows low-income people to afford the stuff they really need.

    Oh, and about Chris Cornell...good for him.

    that's probably the most pathetic response I've ever read...that's great Wal-Mart keeps the poor in their class..."don't think you're getting anywhere in your life since you're poor and you'll stay that way YET! good ol' Wal-Mart will have you living in high class w/ all our cheap items that will keep you and your family alive!

    What does shopping at Walmart have to do with a person being able to make more money?Everything.. cheap labor over sees replacing American jobs.. .

    Everything.. cheap labor over sees replacing American jobs..

    The U.S. became successful on it's own, but with the world free market, we are thinning out by taking on the rest of the worlds weight.. Sure less people in these sweat shops are starving to death, but at the cost of the middle class here...

    It has it's goods and bads depending how you look at it. That's capitalism for you.
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,335
    it was and i apologise.. im not exactly working at optimum capacity atm. i can grasp sarcasm... and very well usually... tho might i suggest the use of the winky emoticon to make it clearer.

    No problem. Next time I'll slip one of this guys in there ;)
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  • CAVSTARR313CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    I have never shopped there.. but I have this vision of Wal-Mart... I picture wall to wall sweat pants.. I picture mothers beating their children in front of toys.. I picture people that are so narrow minded that they completely dis-regard small business and its positive impact on their local community so that they can save 10 cents on a box of frozen pizza rolls.. It is a damn shame..
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Nobody has a link??
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    Gob wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    What does shopping at Walmart have to do with a person being able to make more money?

    Everything.. cheap labor over sees replacing American jobs..

    The U.S. became successful on it's own, but with the world free market, we are thinning out by taking on the rest of the worlds weight.. Sure less people in these sweat shops are starving to death, but at the cost of the middle class here...

    It has it's goods and bads depending how you look at it. That's capitalism for you.

    You may be right, I just don't feel like shopping at Walmart has ever stopped me from getting a better education or looking for a better job.
  • This thread is pretty sad in my opinion. A guy comes in here trying to share information about economic theory and instead of anyone actually taking the time to look into it and understand where he is coming from they just decide to emotionalize things and straw man him to death.

    In order to understand why things are the way they are economics, as boring as it may seem to some, does need to be understood. Ignoring a certain school of thought just because you don't like what you are hearing is limiting your potential for knowledge. At the very least, it would do well to learn about opposing views and understand the basis of them to back up your own logical argements. Unfortunately I'm not seeing any logical arguments in this thread, just emotional ones.

    If people don't ever try to learn about these situations how can we ever actually do something in an effective manner to fix them?
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,053
    I have never shopped there.. but I have this vision of Wal-Mart... I picture wall to wall sweat pants.. I picture mothers beating their children in front of toys.. I picture people that are so narrow minded that they completely dis-regard small business and its positive impact on their local community so that they can save 10 cents on a box of frozen pizza rolls.. It is a damn shame..

    It's a damn shame that this is your perception? Because, you've never been there so you cannot possibly know what goes on there or who goes there.

    So, you who have never been to Wal-Mart, are calling Wal-Mart shoppers narrow minded, child beaters? I've never been to Mexico, but I picture that the people all wear neon yellow spandex pants. What a funny culture. I don't need to actually go to Mexico to make informed judgements. It is what I picture it to be, so it must be true.

    I bet a lot of Wal-Mart shoppers are living on not a lot of money, and need somewhere to go for cheap options.
  • CAVSTARR313CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    I have never shopped there.. but I have this vision of Wal-Mart... I picture wall to wall sweat pants.. I picture mothers beating their children in front of toys.. I picture people that are so narrow minded that they completely dis-regard small business and its positive impact on their local community so that they can save 10 cents on a box of frozen pizza rolls.. It is a damn shame..

    It's a damn shame that this is your perception? Because, you've never been there so you cannot possibly know what goes on there or who goes there.

    So, you who have never been to Wal-Mart, are calling Wal-Mart shoppers narrow minded, child beaters? I've never been to Mexico, but I picture that they all wear neon yellow spandex pants. What a funny culture.

    I bet a lot of Wal-Mart shoppers are living on not a lot of money, and need somewhere to go for cheap options.
    It was sort of an exagerated ramble I made last night.. I understand that wal-mart shoppers may not have a lot of money.. But if they could only see the benefits of keeping small business alive and well.. then maybe they could be in a little bit better of an economic position
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    I've never been to Mexico, but I picture that the people all wear neon yellow spandex pants. What a funny culture.

    Pfff, spandex is so 80s... neon yellow velvet pants is the country's new dress code. Sometimes a bit too hot, but it just feels so good touching your skin.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,431

    I'm really just getting at the fact that Wal-Marts of America are almost in every small town and they do drive out the small guys which makes said small town less diverse and more of a commercialized hub of one brand only. There is a science when it comes to retail, merch, consumerism and there's so many other options to run a business.

    I have to chime in here because I totally agree. Wal-Mart moved into our small town (population 11,000) and has very negatively impacted several small businesses that have been here for a long time. People who used to make a good, honest living are losing their livelihood those who have been hired by Wal-Mart are having their life energy sucked out by this corporate vampire. And Wal-Mart sells cheap crap that doesn't last long so consumers keep going back for more and in the long-run spend as much or more money than they would if they bought more durable goods from local merchants who carry better products. Where the new Wal-Mart store stands there was, not very long ago, several beautiful oak trees. They tore them all out to build their mega-store, paved a large enough space to park god knows how many cars and planted a few non-indigenous trees. The social fabric of small cities and towns is also affected by Wal-Mart. I work in the used book business in a small store downtown. When people shop in small businesses downtown they talk to each other, get to know each other, create community. When people shop in Wal-Mart they push past each other in a big hurry trying to get to the shortest long line up to pay for the crap they are buying. Wal-Martization is ruining small towns all across America.

    Love your community? Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    brianlux wrote:
    The social fabric of small cities and towns is also affected by Wal-Mart. I work in the used book business in a small store downtown. When people shop in small businesses downtown they talk to each other, get to know each other, create community. When people shop in Wal-Mart they push past each other in a big hurry trying to get to the shortest long line up to pay for the crap they are buying. Wal-Martization is ruining small towns all across America.

    Love your community? Don't shop at Wal-Mart.

    I don't see how this is Walmart's fault at all. Sounds like assholes being assholes to me.


    EDIT: I'm not trying to come off as some big Walmart defender...I worked there. I know they do some shitty stuff(my peeve was working 40 hours for awhile then working 15 hours so I averaged part time hours), but I think some of the stuff they get blamed for is kinda ridiculous.

    Not trying to say they are beacons of all that is good, but they give gobs of money to all sorts of charities with a big focus on local stuff. There was almost always some sort of charitable drive type thing goin on.
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    I have never shopped there.. but I have this vision of Wal-Mart... I picture wall to wall sweat pants.. I picture mothers beating their children in front of toys.. I picture people that are so narrow minded that they completely dis-regard small business and its positive impact on their local community so that they can save 10 cents on a box of frozen pizza rolls.. It is a damn shame..
    :lol: welcome to the warehouse for the downtrodden.
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    http://soundcheck.walmart.com/chris-cornell

    :lol:


    Im suprised it hasnt popped up on mywalmart.com suffering my own wal-mart soundcheck atm. gtfo
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