I'm not telling you to feel guilty about it...just recognize it (which you just did), and maybe realize that not everyone had what you had thereby dramatically altering the lives that they live. I got lucky to have a great family, and many other things go my way that got me here. Conversely, many of the people that Occupy or do things like sell drugs on the street corner didn't have the same breaks. I'm not going to look down at them, but rather understand the social structures that made that shit possible and try to change it. I think it's easier to believe that you got to where you got solely because you worked hard, but it's not true. As Marx once wrote 'history weighs like an alp on the minds and bodies of the present'.
Great family, good upbringing, that can happen at all socioeconomic levels. No matter what the government does, it will NEVER replace a stable environment to grow up in...
my question is, how can the government or any entity for that matter, make up for the lack of this necessary part of human existence?
Personally, I think the best thing that could be done is ending the drug war. There are a lot of parents missing because of it...both in jail and dead.
It is a difficult thing to try and wrap ones head around. It is one of the things during my education that I could never come to grips with...looking at society as a collection of groups, things seem so cut and dry as to who is receiving hidden advantages...when I began working with folks from the same socioeconomic subsets I thought were unfairly treated, I began to realize that any affect that the outside now has on the "poor"(calling them poor so as to avoid listing all the different groups) is dwarfed by the self fulfilling prophecy now ingrained in the individuals that are a part of the group. (hope that makes sense)
We now think that as a group we could help these other groups come up, but I just don't know if group level thinking is the solution...I would say in all of our motivations for our politics that would be the biggest differing factor for you an I...individual vs collective...who knows...I suppose the greatest society is the one where you are free from restraints on your individual pursuit of happiness of life and liberty and that those individuals are valued and respected or shunned based on what they contribute, both individually and as a member of the group...
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No Obama is not a marxist.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I'm not telling you to feel guilty about it...just recognize it (which you just did), and maybe realize that not everyone had what you had thereby dramatically altering the lives that they live. I got lucky to have a great family, and many other things go my way that got me here. Conversely, many of the people that Occupy or do things like sell drugs on the street corner didn't have the same breaks. I'm not going to look down at them, but rather understand the social structures that made that shit possible and try to change it. I think it's easier to believe that you got to where you got solely because you worked hard, but it's not true. As Marx once wrote 'history weighs like an alp on the minds and bodies of the present'.
Interesting thoughts..I was just having a conversation with my wife about a job she is applying for. She was considering putting just her first initial and her last name because if they were to see she was a woman, she has seen companies in her marketing field give better salaries to men that do the same jobs as her. Women with the name Samantha, aka "Sam" might just get out of the gates with a better advantage on paper.
I agree with you RW, and it seems like some people might have tried to put words in your mouth. I never got that you said anyone should feel guilty, but rather just to acknowledge that society allows for things to be easier if you fall in a certain criteria. There's no way to argue against that. And if you've got some money, you're even better off, of course. Ps - South Florida is filled with the kings and queens of inheritance, and its fucking ugly.
If you're just a DO-er, and you want to ignore how you got what you got, thats fine too, of course.
Didn't ignore it. Just told you.
I WORKED for it and EARNED it.
Imagine that?
It is obviously irritating as hell to some of you who didn't, I must presume.
I'm not telling you to feel guilty about it...just recognize it (which you just did), and maybe realize that not everyone had what you had thereby dramatically altering the lives that they live. I got lucky to have a great family, and many other things go my way that got me here. Conversely, many of the people that Occupy or do things like sell drugs on the street corner didn't have the same breaks. I'm not going to look down at them, but rather understand the social structures that made that shit possible and try to change it. I think it's easier to believe that you got to where you got solely because you worked hard, but it's not true. As Marx once wrote 'history weighs like an alp on the minds and bodies of the present'.
Interesting thoughts..I was just having a conversation with my wife about a job she is applying for. She was considering putting just her first initial and her last name because if they were to see she was a woman, she has seen companies in her marketing field give better salaries to men that do the same jobs as her. Women with the name Samantha, aka "Sam" might just get out of the gates with a better advantage on paper.
I agree with you RW, and it seems like some people might have tried to put words in your mouth. I never got that you said anyone should feel guilty, but rather just to acknowledge that society allows for things to be easier if you fall in a certain criteria. There's no way to argue against that. And if you've got some money, you're even better off, of course. Ps - South Florida is filled with the kings and queens of inheritance, and its fucking ugly.
If you're just a DO-er, and you want to ignore how you got what you got, thats fine too, of course.
Didn't ignore it. Just told you.
I WORKED for it and EARNED it.
Imagine that?
It is obviously irritating as hell to some of you who didn't, I must presume.
You're missing the whole point.
You have to think a little outside of the box to get it, but then again, you made fun of those who think.
I, too, worked for everything i've got. But there are certain socioeconomic factors in play that allowed me to get access to the things I applied myself in. Same with you. I'd be willing to bet if you had ALL the exact same factors growing up and leading to your job/career, but if you were a woman, you'd likely be earning 10-20% less in the exact same job. That's the point.
And btw, I did EARN everything I have. Because affirmative action programs don't apply to "white, straight guys w/ a dick", as your great "thinking" mind so eloqeuntly put it.
as opposed to those white, straight guys without a dick?? :think: :crazy:
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I'm not telling you to feel guilty about it...just recognize it (which you just did), and maybe realize that not everyone had what you had thereby dramatically altering the lives that they live. I got lucky to have a great family, and many other things go my way that got me here. Conversely, many of the people that Occupy or do things like sell drugs on the street corner didn't have the same breaks. I'm not going to look down at them, but rather understand the social structures that made that shit possible and try to change it. I think it's easier to believe that you got to where you got solely because you worked hard, but it's not true. As Marx once wrote 'history weighs like an alp on the minds and bodies of the present'.
Great family, good upbringing, that can happen at all socioeconomic levels. No matter what the government does, it will NEVER replace a stable environment to grow up in...
my question is, how can the government or any entity for that matter, make up for the lack of this necessary part of human existence?
Personally, I think the best thing that could be done is ending the drug war. There are a lot of parents missing because of it...both in jail and dead.
It is a difficult thing to try and wrap ones head around. It is one of the things during my education that I could never come to grips with...looking at society as a collection of groups, things seem so cut and dry as to who is receiving hidden advantages...when I began working with folks from the same socioeconomic subsets I thought were unfairly treated, I began to realize that any affect that the outside now has on the "poor"(calling them poor so as to avoid listing all the different groups) is dwarfed by the self fulfilling prophecy now ingrained in the individuals that are a part of the group. (hope that makes sense)
We now think that as a group we could help these other groups come up, but I just don't know if group level thinking is the solution...I would say in all of our motivations for our politics that would be the biggest differing factor for you an I...individual vs collective...who knows...I suppose the greatest society is the one where you are free from restraints on your individual pursuit of happiness of life and liberty and that those individuals are valued and respected or shunned based on what they contribute, both individually and as a member of the group...
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No Obama is not a marxist.
I definitely see value in your argument...it just seems to me when we go for the individualist stuff the top 1% benefit a ton at the loss of the many, and when we go collectivist we screw over some people for the benefit of the many. Obviously pure capitalism or socialism is an unatainable thing, but a good mix could and has worked.
You're missing the whole point.
You have to think a little outside of the box to get it, but then again, you made fun of those who think.
I, too, worked for everything i've got. But there are certain socioeconomic factors in play that allowed me to get access to the things I applied myself in. Same with you. I'd be willing to bet if you had ALL the exact same factors growing up and leading to your job/career, but if you were a woman, you'd likely be earning 10-20% less in the exact same job. That's the point.
Jonny I think MayDay is actually making the argument that your wife obviously didn't work hard enough to earn that 10-20% more. This is generally how people with unearned privileges justify themselves. So go home and tell her to work as hard as MayDay and she'll get compensated exactly the same...at least she's not a homosexual because she could be fired for being gay in 29 states - presumably because "they" don't work hard. :roll:
BAM !!!!! HOME RUN !!!!
Mayday that one went out of the park !
Godfather.
So, Jason P, May Day, Godfather, and whoever else, you guys think white privilege doesn't exist? If you think it doesn't, please try to support your position.
White Privilege doesn't exist...Bam...Homerun...next topic.
I'm pretty sure that is the entire defense of their position that they offer. Oh wait, Affirmative Action gives other people advantages that they don't have...because it's radically altered social class in America. You know, because White People make about 17k more per year than people who identify as Black, and 13k more than those who identify as Latino. Because of this inconvenient truth, they will probably say that the census is some government conspiracy lie or something like that.
BAM !!!!! HOME RUN !!!!
Mayday that one went out of the park !
Godfather.
So, Jason P, May Day, Godfather, and whoever else, you guys think white privilege doesn't exist? If you think it doesn't, please try to support your position.
if white privilege did not exist, there would be no need for affirmative action.
woot!
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
BAM !!!!! HOME RUN !!!!
Mayday that one went out of the park !
Godfather.
So, Jason P, May Day, Godfather, and whoever else, you guys think white privilege doesn't exist? If you think it doesn't, please try to support your position.
Certain advantages may exist. But to assert that there is no way to overcome a slight advantage someone is bestowed upon them is detrimental thought process. And to wait for an inefficiant authority to right the field is not a wise solution.
I don't have any blueblood contacts to make my life easier. I don't lament the fact. I am mine.
BAM !!!!! HOME RUN !!!!
Mayday that one went out of the park !
Godfather.
So, Jason P, May Day, Godfather, and whoever else, you guys think white privilege doesn't exist? If you think it doesn't, please try to support your position.
Certain advantages may exist. But to assert that there is no way to overcome a slight advantage someone is bestowed upon them is detrimental thought process. And to wait for an inefficiant authority to right the field is not a wise solution.
I don't have any blueblood contacts to make my life easier. I don't lament the fact. I am mine.
17k a year is a slight advantage? That's just social class...
I live in the midwest. People in New York make more then me. Is that fair? I could focus on that injustice or focus on doing what I can to improve and capitilize on my own life in my own surroundings.
I live in the midwest. People in New York make more then me. Is that fair? I could focus on that injustice or focus on doing what I can to improve and capitilize on my own life in my own surroundings.
they make more than you because it costs $12 for a subway sandwich....cost of living is way higher bro..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I live in the midwest. People in New York make more then me. Is that fair? I could focus on that injustice or focus on doing what I can to improve and capitilize on my own life in my own surroundings.
they make more than you because it costs $12 for a subway sandwich....cost of living is way higher bro..
So it is ok to justify inequality as long as it applies to a group and is not based on race? What about all the pity for Chinese laborers?
I live in the midwest. People in New York make more then me. Is that fair? I could focus on that injustice or focus on doing what I can to improve and capitilize on my own life in my own surroundings.
they make more than you because it costs $12 for a subway sandwich....cost of living is way higher bro..
So it is ok to justify inequality as long as it applies to a group and is not based on race? What about all the pity for Chinese laborers?
you lamented the fact that new yorkers make more money than you. i said cost of living makes them make more money than you because everything, gas, housing, food, it is all more expensive there.. all things being equal they probably make as much as you do, its just more expensive to live there...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
My point is that you are justifying an inequality based on past influence. I don't lament it. I've worked in high cost cities and decided it was more cost effective to move to an area with a lower cost. I didn't wait for someone to fix it for me.
I dont know.. What do you think. Obama to Joe the Plumber " We gotta spread the wealth , Marx" to each according to their needs"
Guys if you study the communist manifesto, and rules for radicals. Look at who his past and present friends and political appointees or his czars. Listen to what he says when he speaks. Where do you think class warfare comes from? I guarantee you he didn't get it from reading Burke or Smith.
At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
- Abraham Lincoln, January 27, 1838
In several Hubs, including How Obama's Undeniably Marxist Communist Policies Threaten America and How To Nationalize GM, Ripoff Investors, Gift It To The Unions & Deny It's Communism, I have been challenged by commenters on my classification of Barack Hussein Obama as a socialist, communist, and Marxist. Here are the top twenty points to prove my thesis (all readily verifiable), and please note that I am not including in this list any of the President's policies such as the socialist nationalization of GM and Chrysler which at the stroke of a pen deprived private investors of billions of dollars of their legitimate property and turned it over to the state and the unions (the proletariat in Marxist parlance).
Obama admits attending socialist conferences and reading Marxist literature. He stated that he "chose his friends carefully... the Marxist professors... we were resisting resisting bourgeois society’s stifling constraints."
Frank Marshall Davis to whom Obama refers to as "Frank" and with whom the young Obama "had a close relationship, almost like a son" is publicly identified as a prominent member of the Communist Party USA and an acknowledged Stalinist agent.
Obama held receptions at the home of, and served on boards with, another mentor who has had an indelible influence on his world view: William Ayers along with his wife Bernardine Dohrn. The two were leaders of the terrorist group known as the Weathermen or the Weather Underground, notable for a campaign from 1969 through the middle 1970s of riots, bombings, murders, and a jailbreak. Under Ayers and Dohrn's leadership, the terrorist organization bombed the United States Capitol on March 1, 1971, The Pentagon on May 19, 1972, and the United States Department of State Building on January 29, 1975. Their founding document calls for "the destruction of US imperialism and achieve a classless world: world communism." When recently asked about his terrorist activities, Ayers replied he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough".
At one Obama reception at the Ayers Dohrn home Alice Palmer, who was identified by the FBI as being on Soviet payroll in the Eighties and an enthusiastic attendee of the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, announced that she was stepping down from office as Obama was her chosen successor.
Mike Klonsky was funded to the tune of $1,968,718.00 by an organization headed by Obama and Ayers. His father, Robert Klonsky, was an American communist who was convicted for advocating the forcible overthrow of the United States government. Mike founded a precursor of the Weatherman terrorist group, formed the American Communist Party (Marxist/Leninist), was feted in China by Maoists, and spoke in front of Hugo Chavez for the need to bring the Marxist revolution into the classroom.
Obama admits that one of his close friends was Rashid Khalidi, who was the President of Columbia University's Communist Party and a former spokesperson for the PLO. They had frequent dinners together and the Obamas even babysat Khalidi's children. Obama led organizations funded the Arab American Action League an organization calling for the demolition of Israel and chaired by Khalidi's wife. Khalidi held successful fundraisers for Obama's campaign.
Che Guevara who advocated the "extermination" of the United States, and was involved in a foiled plot to bomb crowded department stores and New York City's Grand Central Terminal, had his portraits hung on the precinct captain' wall of Obama headquarters in Houston. The campaign formally only stated that it was "inappropriate."
During the presidential election campaign, Hamas advisor Ahmed Yousef was quoted as saying, "We like Mr. Obama. We hope he will win the election." Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and is on the US State Department list of leftist terrorist organizations.
The Communist Party USA actively supported Obama during the primary election and their leader Sam Webb recently stated: "Just look at the new lay of the land: a friend of labor and its allies sits in the White House." He went on to enthusiastically discuss Obama's agenda to nationalize the American financial system, the Federal Reserve Bank, and private industries such as energy and various other sectors. "All these – and many other things – are within OUR reach now... an opportunity of a lifetime," Webb exclaimed.
Obama's father wrote a thesis entitled "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land.
Obama's mother was a communist sympathizer from her youth. Obama has spoken of her beliefs: "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics."
Obama's parents met in a Russian language class, generally unusual in the USA of the Fifties, but a common activity for communists in that age.
Barack Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama is a militant Marxist Muslim who has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shari'a law. Barack calls his brother "the person who made me proudest of all."
Obama's grandparents moved 2,000 miles so Obama's mother could attend a school where communism was openly advocated and whose chairman testified to being a member of the Communist Party. Obama's grandparents also attended a church known as "The Little Red Church" due to its promotion of communism.
Obama received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America for an Illinois state senate seat in 1996.
Obama delivered an eulogy for Saul Mendelson, a lifelong communist activist.
Obama's physican, close friend and supporter Dr. Quentin Young was a prominent member of the communist Bethune Club.
Obama's church, the Trinity United Church of Christ, is a leading proponent of Liberation Theology which is an religious overlay onto Marxism.
Obama admits that he regularly attended communist conferences at Cooper Union College.
Obama endorsed Bernie Sanders, who was the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate. The National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings placed only one Senator who had voted a more socialistic agenda than Sanders: Obama.
I leave you with the warning words of Russian Prime Minister and former KGB agent Vladimir Putin, who should certainly understand the essence of communism:
Interference of the State, the belief in the omnipotence of the State: that is a reaction to market failures. There is a temptation to expand direct interference of state in economy. In the Soviet Union that became an absolute. We paid a very dear price for that.
As a Canadian citizen I proudly state: God bless America... God save America... Before it is too late.
So wait...he's a communist, socialist, AND Marxist at the same time? That's like calling someone a catholic, christian, and a Tebowist. Sure they have similar intentions, but to call him all three at once demonstrates a complete lack of understanding what those things are. It's pretty lazy, and serves to undermine the argument you presented. Oh yeah he was once filmed high fiving Boehner so is he also a republican now?
I live in the midwest. People in New York make more then me. Is that fair? I could focus on that injustice or focus on doing what I can to improve and capitilize on my own life in my own surroundings.
you choose to live in the midwest, black people don't choose to be black - there's a major difference here.
My point is that you are justifying an inequality based on past influence. I don't lament it. I've worked in high cost cities and decided it was more cost effective to move to an area with a lower cost. I didn't wait for someone to fix it for me.
I think his point is that, relatively speaking, there is no inequity in your example.
My point is that you are justifying an inequality based on past influence. I don't lament it. I've worked in high cost cities and decided it was more cost effective to move to an area with a lower cost. I didn't wait for someone to fix it for me.
I think his point is that, relatively speaking, there is no inequity in your example.
I could be viewed as a redneck hick by them city folk.
My point is that you are justifying an inequality based on past influence. I don't lament it. I've worked in high cost cities and decided it was more cost effective to move to an area with a lower cost. I didn't wait for someone to fix it for me.
I think his point is that, relatively speaking, there is no inequity in your example.
I could be viewed as a redneck hick by them city folk.
but then you could move into the city and take on the characteristics of someone in the city, and look down on people from the country if you chose to. once again you have the privilege of (re)presenting yourself in this matter, outside of michael jackson there's little a minority can do to change the color of their skin.
I could be viewed as a redneck hick by them city folk.
but then you could move into the city and take on the characteristics of someone in the city, and look down on people from the country if you chose to. once again you have the privilege of (re)presenting yourself in this matter, outside of michael jackson there's little a minority can do to change the color of their skin.
So can anyone else then. Trust me, there are a lot of people with different skin color that would be able to fit in better in New York then me, especially if they have been living there their whole lives.
I would have to learn about fashion (only year I was in fashion was 1992 when grunge made flannel shirts cool). Change my accent (not too tough but I wouldn't have an east coast accent ever). Develop a more aggressive persona (not easy as I"m pretty laid back). Get used to living around millions of other people with nowhere quite to go (that would be very difficult). But I could probably do it although I would rather not try.
But if I can overcome a disadvantage, I think it's disrespectful to suggest someone else can't just because of their skin tone. Why can't anyone change their characteristics to fit an environment they are striving for?
black or white...........almost everthing talked about on the train turns to a racism issue..it's stupit shit ! I just don't understand some peoples hard-on for racism issues.
black or white...........almost everthing talked about on the train turns to a racism issue..it's stupit shit ! I just don't understand some peoples hard-on for racism issues.
Godfather.
I think that's because you don't have to experience them.
black or white...........almost everthing talked about on the train turns to a racism issue..it's stupit shit ! I just don't understand some peoples hard-on for racism issues.
Godfather.
I think that's because you don't have to experience them.
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Oh WAIT! it was just inside the foul pole...strike two.
Great family, good upbringing, that can happen at all socioeconomic levels. No matter what the government does, it will NEVER replace a stable environment to grow up in...
my question is, how can the government or any entity for that matter, make up for the lack of this necessary part of human existence?
Personally, I think the best thing that could be done is ending the drug war. There are a lot of parents missing because of it...both in jail and dead.
It is a difficult thing to try and wrap ones head around. It is one of the things during my education that I could never come to grips with...looking at society as a collection of groups, things seem so cut and dry as to who is receiving hidden advantages...when I began working with folks from the same socioeconomic subsets I thought were unfairly treated, I began to realize that any affect that the outside now has on the "poor"(calling them poor so as to avoid listing all the different groups) is dwarfed by the self fulfilling prophecy now ingrained in the individuals that are a part of the group. (hope that makes sense)
We now think that as a group we could help these other groups come up, but I just don't know if group level thinking is the solution...I would say in all of our motivations for our politics that would be the biggest differing factor for you an I...individual vs collective...who knows...I suppose the greatest society is the one where you are free from restraints on your individual pursuit of happiness of life and liberty and that those individuals are valued and respected or shunned based on what they contribute, both individually and as a member of the group...
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No Obama is not a marxist.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Didn't ignore it. Just told you.
I WORKED for it and EARNED it.
Imagine that?
It is obviously irritating as hell to some of you who didn't, I must presume.
Inside the pole is a HOME RUN.
Outside the pole is FOUL.
Sometimes being a genius is a curse. Not sorry.
You have to think a little outside of the box to get it, but then again, you made fun of those who think.
I, too, worked for everything i've got. But there are certain socioeconomic factors in play that allowed me to get access to the things I applied myself in. Same with you. I'd be willing to bet if you had ALL the exact same factors growing up and leading to your job/career, but if you were a woman, you'd likely be earning 10-20% less in the exact same job. That's the point.
as opposed to those white, straight guys without a dick?? :think: :crazy:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So, Jason P, May Day, Godfather, and whoever else, you guys think white privilege doesn't exist? If you think it doesn't, please try to support your position.
I'm pretty sure that is the entire defense of their position that they offer. Oh wait, Affirmative Action gives other people advantages that they don't have...because it's radically altered social class in America. You know, because White People make about 17k more per year than people who identify as Black, and 13k more than those who identify as Latino. Because of this inconvenient truth, they will probably say that the census is some government conspiracy lie or something like that.
woot!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't have any blueblood contacts to make my life easier. I don't lament the fact. I am mine.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Guys if you study the communist manifesto, and rules for radicals. Look at who his past and present friends and political appointees or his czars. Listen to what he says when he speaks. Where do you think class warfare comes from? I guarantee you he didn't get it from reading Burke or Smith.
http://hallicino.hubpages.com/hub/Top-2 ... -Communist
At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
- Abraham Lincoln, January 27, 1838
In several Hubs, including How Obama's Undeniably Marxist Communist Policies Threaten America and How To Nationalize GM, Ripoff Investors, Gift It To The Unions & Deny It's Communism, I have been challenged by commenters on my classification of Barack Hussein Obama as a socialist, communist, and Marxist. Here are the top twenty points to prove my thesis (all readily verifiable), and please note that I am not including in this list any of the President's policies such as the socialist nationalization of GM and Chrysler which at the stroke of a pen deprived private investors of billions of dollars of their legitimate property and turned it over to the state and the unions (the proletariat in Marxist parlance).
Obama admits attending socialist conferences and reading Marxist literature. He stated that he "chose his friends carefully... the Marxist professors... we were resisting resisting bourgeois society’s stifling constraints."
Frank Marshall Davis to whom Obama refers to as "Frank" and with whom the young Obama "had a close relationship, almost like a son" is publicly identified as a prominent member of the Communist Party USA and an acknowledged Stalinist agent.
Obama held receptions at the home of, and served on boards with, another mentor who has had an indelible influence on his world view: William Ayers along with his wife Bernardine Dohrn. The two were leaders of the terrorist group known as the Weathermen or the Weather Underground, notable for a campaign from 1969 through the middle 1970s of riots, bombings, murders, and a jailbreak. Under Ayers and Dohrn's leadership, the terrorist organization bombed the United States Capitol on March 1, 1971, The Pentagon on May 19, 1972, and the United States Department of State Building on January 29, 1975. Their founding document calls for "the destruction of US imperialism and achieve a classless world: world communism." When recently asked about his terrorist activities, Ayers replied he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough".
At one Obama reception at the Ayers Dohrn home Alice Palmer, who was identified by the FBI as being on Soviet payroll in the Eighties and an enthusiastic attendee of the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, announced that she was stepping down from office as Obama was her chosen successor.
Mike Klonsky was funded to the tune of $1,968,718.00 by an organization headed by Obama and Ayers. His father, Robert Klonsky, was an American communist who was convicted for advocating the forcible overthrow of the United States government. Mike founded a precursor of the Weatherman terrorist group, formed the American Communist Party (Marxist/Leninist), was feted in China by Maoists, and spoke in front of Hugo Chavez for the need to bring the Marxist revolution into the classroom.
Obama admits that one of his close friends was Rashid Khalidi, who was the President of Columbia University's Communist Party and a former spokesperson for the PLO. They had frequent dinners together and the Obamas even babysat Khalidi's children. Obama led organizations funded the Arab American Action League an organization calling for the demolition of Israel and chaired by Khalidi's wife. Khalidi held successful fundraisers for Obama's campaign.
Che Guevara who advocated the "extermination" of the United States, and was involved in a foiled plot to bomb crowded department stores and New York City's Grand Central Terminal, had his portraits hung on the precinct captain' wall of Obama headquarters in Houston. The campaign formally only stated that it was "inappropriate."
During the presidential election campaign, Hamas advisor Ahmed Yousef was quoted as saying, "We like Mr. Obama. We hope he will win the election." Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and is on the US State Department list of leftist terrorist organizations.
The Communist Party USA actively supported Obama during the primary election and their leader Sam Webb recently stated: "Just look at the new lay of the land: a friend of labor and its allies sits in the White House." He went on to enthusiastically discuss Obama's agenda to nationalize the American financial system, the Federal Reserve Bank, and private industries such as energy and various other sectors. "All these – and many other things – are within OUR reach now... an opportunity of a lifetime," Webb exclaimed.
Obama's father wrote a thesis entitled "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land.
Obama's mother was a communist sympathizer from her youth. Obama has spoken of her beliefs: "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics."
Obama's parents met in a Russian language class, generally unusual in the USA of the Fifties, but a common activity for communists in that age.
Barack Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama is a militant Marxist Muslim who has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shari'a law. Barack calls his brother "the person who made me proudest of all."
Obama's grandparents moved 2,000 miles so Obama's mother could attend a school where communism was openly advocated and whose chairman testified to being a member of the Communist Party. Obama's grandparents also attended a church known as "The Little Red Church" due to its promotion of communism.
Obama received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America for an Illinois state senate seat in 1996.
Obama delivered an eulogy for Saul Mendelson, a lifelong communist activist.
Obama's physican, close friend and supporter Dr. Quentin Young was a prominent member of the communist Bethune Club.
Obama's church, the Trinity United Church of Christ, is a leading proponent of Liberation Theology which is an religious overlay onto Marxism.
Obama admits that he regularly attended communist conferences at Cooper Union College.
Obama endorsed Bernie Sanders, who was the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate. The National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings placed only one Senator who had voted a more socialistic agenda than Sanders: Obama.
I leave you with the warning words of Russian Prime Minister and former KGB agent Vladimir Putin, who should certainly understand the essence of communism:
Interference of the State, the belief in the omnipotence of the State: that is a reaction to market failures. There is a temptation to expand direct interference of state in economy. In the Soviet Union that became an absolute. We paid a very dear price for that.
As a Canadian citizen I proudly state: God bless America... God save America... Before it is too late.
It would be more justifiable to call him a Republican then a Marxist.
I think his point is that, relatively speaking, there is no inequity in your example.
I would have to learn about fashion (only year I was in fashion was 1992 when grunge made flannel shirts cool). Change my accent (not too tough but I wouldn't have an east coast accent ever). Develop a more aggressive persona (not easy as I"m pretty laid back). Get used to living around millions of other people with nowhere quite to go (that would be very difficult). But I could probably do it although I would rather not try.
But if I can overcome a disadvantage, I think it's disrespectful to suggest someone else can't just because of their skin tone. Why can't anyone change their characteristics to fit an environment they are striving for?
Godfather.
I think that's because you don't have to experience them.
Neither do you. Christ, evyting be racis!!
So sick of it.