What was the "postcard system?"

STAYSEA

I have those postcards!!! well most of them anyway. That is what I was supposed to do? I wondered why they were blank? I used them as book marks? I have only received 3 post cards my whole life that were written on and addressed to me. If I'm/ was supposed to mail it back... how about you throw in a stamp? , or a return address? just sayin. Why am I always giving the club money? I'm really that slow.. Tiny brain like a T-Rex?

ComeToTX

covered in bliss wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

I really wish they would go back to only one set (or maybe 2) of 10C tickets per tour. Everyone would get better seats and the same folks wouldn't be up front every night.

And I say that as someone with a pretty good number.

Two would be much better than one. I don't think it's people going to multiple shows that's the issue, it's the fact they aren't playing enough shows these days.

I think it's both.

Cosmo

justam wrote:

I thought the postcard system was much less stressful and we could count on getting tickets instead of being disappointed.

The last years we lived in NY not ONCE could I get an NYC ticket through the website sale. People from the West Coast and all over could get tickets, but not me. It was frustrating!

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See... that ain't right.
If we only got one show... you'd have a better chance of getting a pair. Although, nothing is guaranteed and it would still be tough because you are in a big market. But, you would definately have a better shot at them.
And what about those smaller markets that don't get a lot of shows... I, personally, believe that the guy in Texas, for example, should get a better shot at a show in Austin... than those of us in California and the North East. We get a lot of shows here, Texas gets few. Texans should fill the front rows of an Austin show, not resident Californians or North Easterners.
Us Californians and North Easterners can still go to the Austin shows... we'll just have to get our tickets from TicketMonster and sit a few rows behind you. It's your house, you should get the better seats.

justam

Cosmo wrote:

justam wrote:

I thought the postcard system was much less stressful and we could count on getting tickets instead of being disappointed.

The last years we lived in NY not ONCE could I get an NYC ticket through the website sale. People from the West Coast and all over could get tickets, but not me. It was frustrating!

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See... that ain't right.
If we only got one show... you'd have a better chance of getting a pair. Although, nothing is guaranteed and it would still be tough because you are in a big market. But, you would definately have a better shot at them.
And what about those smaller markets that don't get a lot of shows... I, personally, believe that the guy in Texas, for example, should get a better shot at a show in Austin... than those of us in California and the North East. We get a lot of shows here, Texas gets few. Texans should fill the front rows of an Austin show, not resident Californians or North Easterners.
Us Californians and North Easterners can still go to the Austin shows... we'll just have to get our tickets from TicketMonster and sit a few rows behind you. It's your house, you should get the better seats.

I agree. I think people who live in the area should get the first chance at tickets.

Cosmo

STAYSEA wrote:

I have those postcards!!! well most of them anyway. That is what I was supposed to do? I wondered why they were blank? I used them as book marks? I have only received 3 post cards my whole life that were written on and addressed to me. If I'm/ was supposed to mail it back... how about you throw in a stamp? , or a return address? just sayin. Why am I always giving the club money? I'm really that slow.. Tiny brain like a T-Rex?

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Actually... that is what they were... self-addressed stamped postcards (not envelopes) in 2003. We had to mail in an envelope with a Money Order and a self-addressed stamped postcard with the city/date on it to the Ten/VHC. When the postcard came back in the mail... it meant your request was accepted.
What they can do instead is have you include your membership number and they will send you back a response to that E-Mail address.

drinkbigredinstead

How about:

PJ announces dates (to include the South - sorry couldn't resist)

We then email 10C what shows we plan attending

ALL available 10C seats are in a lottery

If your name is picked you have 2 days in which to respond and pay for your tickets, if you don't you loose them and 10C picks another name

Once all 10C seats are sold, the members who purchased their tickets are seated based on seniority with the exception of the 1st row which is another lottery picked from those who bought tickets.

A long and drawn out process I know, but anything is better than not getting tickets at all. I've mentioned on another thread, but I will type it again. PJ is in for a suprise themselves because of the UK ticket fiasco...there maybe people in the first few rows who will be sitting which is not what they are used to.

josevolution

I say go back to the mail system and give the home town fans 1st dibs on those tickets ..
So you would have to be a resident of so called state , after those tickets are sold then the rest of the fans can try for them ...
So if i wanted to travel to see them in Boston i would have to wait till after the home town fans got theirs and then i could try for whats left and no Seniority for out of town fans .....

ewokpelts

NewJPage wrote:

Jamminonthe1 wrote:

They announce tour dates. Then 10C members got to mail in a postcard with their top 3 show choices with a check for one pair of tickets and were pretty much guaranteed their first choice (though one year at MSG they tried to push people over to Jersey). It required lots of advance planning on 10C/PJ's part, but it worked.

in 2003 pretty sure there was no mail in your choice thing. you got whatever shows you wanted. the thing with the holmdel show was that they sold too many to msg, so they gave people the option to switch if they wanted.

the key was ONE SHOW ONLY.

ewokpelts

To be honest, since we ARE paying TM/livenation fees, they might as well just offer a unique code for a ticketmaster ran pre-sale. Make it your member #. That way, if some does sell thier code, the club can revoke membership.


Do the sale as "GA presale", and allocate actual seats later.


I still think it should be one show per membership.

pjsteelerfan

ewokpelts wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

Jamminonthe1 wrote:

They announce tour dates. Then 10C members got to mail in a postcard with their top 3 show choices with a check for one pair of tickets and were pretty much guaranteed their first choice (though one year at MSG they tried to push people over to Jersey). It required lots of advance planning on 10C/PJ's part, but it worked.

in 2003 pretty sure there was no mail in your choice thing. you got whatever shows you wanted. the thing with the holmdel show was that they sold too many to msg, so they gave people the option to switch if they wanted.

the key was ONE SHOW ONLY.

The keys were also no 10% fan club limit on shows back then, and that they played 40-50 shows around the whole country, not just 10-12 in one area for everyone to try for.

ewokpelts

but the band also employed other methods to curb scalping. they used to hold back tickets til the last day, and release good seats, killing the street seller market. i talked to people back in 200 that got tickets on teh floor day of show thanks to the band holds.

Poncier

ewokpelts wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

Jamminonthe1 wrote:

They announce tour dates. Then 10C members got to mail in a postcard with their top 3 show choices with a check for one pair of tickets and were pretty much guaranteed their first choice (though one year at MSG they tried to push people over to Jersey). It required lots of advance planning on 10C/PJ's part, but it worked.

in 2003 pretty sure there was no mail in your choice thing. you got whatever shows you wanted. the thing with the holmdel show was that they sold too many to msg, so they gave people the option to switch if they wanted.

the key was ONE SHOW ONLY.

Not in 2003. 2003 was the first time multiple shows were allowed.

Poncier

ewokpelts wrote:

but the band also employed other methods to curb scalping. they used to hold back tickets til the last day, and release good seats, killing the street seller market. i talked to people back in 200 that got tickets on teh floor day of show thanks to the band holds.

Pretty much every band has these, they are called production releases. Promoters hold tickets for band guests etc. and normally there are tix not used from that hold and they are released back for sale...I've gotten great seats to a number of concerts this way on the days leading up to and often the day of a show.

covered in bliss

ewokpelts wrote:

To be honest, since we ARE paying TM/livenation fees, they might as well just offer a unique code for a ticketmaster ran pre-sale.

10C gave out codes for the Vote For Change tour. everything went smoothly but seniority wasn't involved. I don't know why someone can't come up with a way for ticketmaster to sell seats according to seniority. Probably because they (ticketmaster) just don't care.

ewokpelts

covered in bliss wrote:

ewokpelts wrote:

To be honest, since we ARE paying TM/livenation fees, they might as well just offer a unique code for a ticketmaster ran pre-sale.

10C gave out codes for the Vote For Change tour. everything went smoothly but seniority wasn't involved. I don't know why someone can't come up with a way for ticketmaster to sell seats according to seniority. Probably because they (ticketmaster) just don't care.

you can do it as a tm "GA PRE-SALE", and still have the 10c allocate tix. if the band gets say , 1000 tickets for fan club purposes, then tm/ln just hands those tix to the 10c the day before the show.

I'm a white sox season ticket holder, and the sox use tm for tickets. The tm system has a setup for "special events" that a band could utilize for thier membership.

ewokpelts

Poncier wrote:

ewokpelts wrote:

but the band also employed other methods to curb scalping. they used to hold back tickets til the last day, and release good seats, killing the street seller market. i talked to people back in 200 that got tickets on teh floor day of show thanks to the band holds.

Pretty much every band has these, they are called production releases. Promoters hold tickets for band guests etc. and normally there are tix not used from that hold and they are released back for sale...I've gotten great seats to a number of concerts this way on the days leading up to and often the day of a show.

but the band PURPOSELY held tickets back to hurt scalpers. i think other bands just let the house release hold simply becuase they end up not needing them. the chicago(rosemont) show in 2000 had very good hold. some even better than my 10c seats.

ewokpelts

ewokpelts wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

Jamminonthe1 wrote:

They announce tour dates. Then 10C members got to mail in a postcard with their top 3 show choices with a check for one pair of tickets and were pretty much guaranteed their first choice (though one year at MSG they tried to push people over to Jersey). It required lots of advance planning on 10C/PJ's part, but it worked.

in 2003 pretty sure there was no mail in your choice thing. you got whatever shows you wanted. the thing with the holmdel show was that they sold too many to msg, so they gave people the option to switch if they wanted.

the key was ONE SHOW ONLY.

Not in 2003. 2003 was the first time multiple shows were allowed.[/quote]
yes. you are correct. 2003 did have multiple shows. i was referrring to my preferred method of the previous tours(98/00)

Zod

josevolution wrote:

I say go back to the mail system and give the home town fans 1st dibs on those tickets ..
So you would have to be a resident of so called state , after those tickets are sold then the rest of the fans can try for them ...
So if i wanted to travel to see them in Boston i would have to wait till after the home town fans got theirs and then i could try for whats left and no Seniority for out of town fans .....

I mostly agree. Except the regional thing. Pearl Jam's tours aren't as big as they used to be. Alot of people have to travel to see just one show (aren't lucky enough to have them play anywhere near where they live).

I'd say limit sales to one show, but don't restrict on geography. It's a small push back to the old system, but PJ tours are too small now, and alot of 10c members would never see them, if those tickets were restricted to the states/provinces the shows take place in.

ewokpelts

Zod wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I say go back to the mail system and give the home town fans 1st dibs on those tickets ..
So you would have to be a resident of so called state , after those tickets are sold then the rest of the fans can try for them ...
So if i wanted to travel to see them in Boston i would have to wait till after the home town fans got theirs and then i could try for whats left and no Seniority for out of town fans .....

I mostly agree. Except the regional thing. Pearl Jam's tours aren't as big as they used to be. Alot of people have to travel to see just one show (aren't lucky enough to have them play anywhere near where they live).

I'd say limit sales to one show, but don't restrict on geography. It's a small push back to the old system, but PJ tours are too small now, and alot of 10c members would never see them, if those tickets were restricted to the states/provinces the shows take place in.

of course, the real issue is that pj has more or less ignored the us outside of the major cities/festivals since 2006.
yet they have toured europe almost annually. 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, and now again in 2012.

2003 was the last large scale us tour. 2006 was pj's last attempt to do a true world tour, hitting three continents. now they just go for short bursts here and there.

JaneNY

Cosmo wrote:

STAYSEA wrote:

I have those postcards!!! well most of them anyway. That is what I was supposed to do? I wondered why they were blank? I used them as book marks? I have only received 3 post cards my whole life that were written on and addressed to me. If I'm/ was supposed to mail it back... how about you throw in a stamp? , or a return address? just sayin. Why am I always giving the club money? I'm really that slow.. Tiny brain like a T-Rex?

...
Actually... that is what they were... self-addressed stamped postcards (not envelopes) in 2003. We had to mail in an envelope with a Money Order and a self-addressed stamped postcard with the city/date on it to the Ten/VHC. When the postcard came back in the mail... it meant your request was accepted.
What they can do instead is have you include your membership number and they will send you back a response to that E-Mail address.

I remember *almost* the same, but I think it wasn't postcards. It was 3x5 cards where you had to write your information on it, together with your money order. I believe they mailed back a sheet of paper with your confirmation, and it was the sase that we provided, for each show we wanted. I remember cramming all of them in one big envelope and sending the lot via overnight - I was so afraid of missing out!

It was also the last tour I believe, where there were blocks of tickets allotted to the various ranges of ten club numbers, rather than specific tickets for each member, hence the long lines outside the venue, in order to be closer within one's range.