excellent decision georgieboy... more blood directly on your hands...
I had to laugh to myself this morning as I had the TV on while eating breakfast. I think it was Good Morning America or some shit...George W.Bush was in Africa (doing a very kind thing) helping to feed some hungry folks. As much as I hate to take away from the generosity he was attempting, the headline at the bottom of the Tv read something like: "Bush determined to save lives"...oh my God, I laughed so hard at this irony. I hope it makes him feel better. :roll:
excellent decision georgieboy... more blood directly on your hands...
I had to laugh to myself this morning as I had the TV on while eating breakfast. I think it was Good Morning America or some shit...George W.Bush was in Africa (doing a very kind thing) helping to feed some hungry folks. As much as I hate to take away from the generosity he was attempting, the headline at the bottom of the Tv read something like: "Bush determined to save lives"...oh my God, I laughed so hard at this irony. I hope it makes him feel better. :roll:
that is pretty ironic...
the man who executed people in his state as governor and mudered people in iraq and afghanistan now wants to save lives?? since he is traveling abroad he should do the responsible thing and apologize and turn himself in at the hague...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Why does Obama get abused for leaving Iraq
I seem to remember some dumb Texan yokel standing on an aircraft carrier with a great big sign behind him saying mission accomplished
How long ago was that
Why does Obama get abused for leaving Iraq
I seem to remember some dumb Texan yokel standing on an aircraft carrier with a great big sign behind him saying mission accomplished
How long ago was that
Because they criticize Obama on everything. Us leaving this year was a timetable set by Bush in 2008.
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Why does Obama get abused for leaving Iraq
I seem to remember some dumb Texan yokel standing on an aircraft carrier with a great big sign behind him saying mission accomplished
How long ago was that
Because they criticize Obama on everything. Us leaving this year was a timetable set by Bush in 2008.
don't forget, history did not start until january 2009, so bush actually did not start any of this...it was all obama's fault...
:roll:
it is sad that people actually believe what i just typed...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Why does Obama get abused for leaving Iraq
I seem to remember some dumb Texan yokel standing on an aircraft carrier with a great big sign behind him saying mission accomplished
How long ago was that
Because they criticize Obama on everything. Us leaving this year was a timetable set by Bush in 2008.
don't forget, history did not start until january 2009, so bush actually did not start any of this...it was all obama's fault...
:roll:
it is sad that people actually believe what i just typed...
Very sad
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Earlier in this thread gimme talked about the murder of Iraqis
I completely agree except I will never blame the soldiers who were ordered to do their duty.
The murderers are
Bush, Blair and Howard and their governments
I cannot beleive they get away Scott free
How can a dumb ass store man in Newcastle Australia get it right yet these arseholes with everything at their fingertips get it so wrong
So many dead so may injured
They say they gave the Iraqi people freedom
Well in the last year I have seen many peoples in the middle east give freedom to themselves. This could have been the way Iraq got rid of their dictator
Earlier in this thread gimme talked about the murder of Iraqis
I completely agree except I will never blame the soldiers who were ordered to do their duty.
The murderers are
Bush, Blair and Howard and their governments
I cannot beleive they get away Scott free
How can a dumb ass store man in Newcastle Australia get it right yet these arseholes with everything at their fingertips get it so wrong
So many dead so may injured
They say they gave the Iraqi people freedom
Well in the last year I have seen many peoples in the middle east give freedom to themselves. This could have been the way Iraq got rid of their dictator
i might be mistaken, but can't a soldier refuse an order if they do not agree with it? i guess not if it comes from the president and the entire army is invading...that is a current that i would not want to have to swim against.
and i am not sure if the iraqis were going to do it themselves. at least under saddam they had electricity for a whole 24 hours in a row.
don't feel bad for getting it right. there were plenty of americans that got it right and we were out in the streets during the lead up to the war and up to a few weeks after it started. then we started getting cracked down on by authorites. i know some people on this forum were even monitored by the fbi at that time because of what they were posting on here. we got it right, but back then, it was apparently against the law to question the president, his actions, or his motives in a "time of war"...my how times have changed since bush left office...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Graphic isn't it
And so sad
Fuck your big picture
The murder of innocents is not a big picture
it is because our "hippy brains" can't understand how war IS peace.
yeah fuck us for not understanding :roll:
it seems he would rather take shots and try to bait me simply by being provocative.
i wonder if he has talked with any vets who came home recently. there are still provinces there that only have 8 hours of electricity per day. i view this snafu of not getting power plants up and running as part of "the big picture"....the big picture of a country that we destroyed without reason...
rationed power is one of the things that make the civilians over there very angry. it makes them resent us for what we did. it makes them say things like "at least under saddam we could run our refrigerators and freezers aroung the clock." and this story coming directly from a colonel i spoke with who came back in march.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
On 19 November 2005 a US marine squad was struck by a roadside bomb in Haditha, in Iraq's Anbar province, killing one soldier and seriously injuring two others. According to civilians they then went on the rampage, slaughtering 24 people. They included a 76-year-old man in a wheelchair and a three-year-old child. It was a massacre. "I think they were just blinded by hate … and they just lost control," said James Crossan, one of the injured marines.
the guy who lead that squad just got his punishment....3 months of "confinement." disgraceful :x
If I had known then what I know now...
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Bin Ladens dead right? Mission accomplished right? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Bring them home. There are no longer any clearly defined or sound reasons for our continued involvement. Seeing the "mission" through (do they even know what that is anymore?), doesn't stand up to any reasoned or critical examination.
Who even really cares anymore? Ron Paul does. As POTUS he will bring them home.
On 19 November 2005 a US marine squad was struck by a roadside bomb in Haditha, in Iraq's Anbar province, killing one soldier and seriously injuring two others. According to civilians they then went on the rampage, slaughtering 24 people. They included a 76-year-old man in a wheelchair and a three-year-old child. It was a massacre. "I think they were just blinded by hate … and they just lost control," said James Crossan, one of the injured marines.
the guy who lead that squad just got his punishment....3 months of "confinement." disgraceful :x
It really is disgraceful. 24 men, women and children massacred and he get's off Scott free. Clearly the life of an Iraqi is worth nothing in the eyes of U.S justice.
US marine in Haditha case 'should serve no time'
24 January 2012
A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended.
The decision by the judge at Camp Pendleton, California, must be approved by the commander of the Marine Corps Forces Central Command.
Sgt Frank Wuterich faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal.
He was one of eight marines charged over the killings at Haditha.
The charges against six were dropped or dismissed, and one was acquitted.
Military judge Lt Col David Jones said his hands had been tied by the terms of the plea agreement. However, he said he would recommend that Wuterich's rank be reduced to private.
The judge said he had decided not to dock the marine's pay because Wuterich is divorced with sole custody of his three young children.
Prosecutors had asked that Wuterich receive the maximum sentence of three months confinement, reduction in rank and forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay.
'Horrific result'
Wuterich's guilty plea ended the trial at Camp Pendleton nearly seven years after the killings.
Prosecutors had argued that on the day of the killings Wuterich lost control after seeing a friend blown apart by a bomb, before leading the soldiers under his command on a rampage.
They said his decision to send his squad to attack nearby homes went against his training.
"That is a horrific result from that derelict order of shooting first, ask questions later," Lt Col Sean Sullivan told the court.
Among the dead were women, children and elderly people, including a man in a wheelchair.
His former squad members testified during the hearings that they were not fired upon nor did they find any weapons at the scene of the killings.
Wuterich told the court that he ordered his men to "shoot first, ask questions later" so they would not hesitate in attacking the enemy, but he never intended to harm any civilians.
In his statement he addressed relatives of the Iraqi victims, saying there were no words to ease their pain.
"I wish to assure you that on that day, it was never my intention to harm you or your families. I know that you are the real victims of November 19, 2005," he said.
In Iraq, the plea deal that stopped Wuterich's trial on several charges of manslaughter sparked outrage.
Survivor Awis Fahmi Hussein, who had been shot in the back, said: "I was expecting that the American judiciary would sentence this person to life in prison and that he would appear and confess in front of the whole world that he committed this crime, so that America could show itself as democratic and fair."
^^^^^ don't get me wrong......we had many brave and honorable people in Iraq.
that said, I remember this guy or one of the other "leaders" of the Hidatha fiasco was more of a video game "call to glory" type guy who actually wanted the chance to kill people. :x
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I had to laugh to myself this morning as I had the TV on while eating breakfast. I think it was Good Morning America or some shit...George W.Bush was in Africa (doing a very kind thing) helping to feed some hungry folks. As much as I hate to take away from the generosity he was attempting, the headline at the bottom of the Tv read something like: "Bush determined to save lives"...oh my God, I laughed so hard at this irony. I hope it makes him feel better. :roll:
the man who executed people in his state as governor and mudered people in iraq and afghanistan now wants to save lives?? since he is traveling abroad he should do the responsible thing and apologize and turn himself in at the hague...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I seem to remember some dumb Texan yokel standing on an aircraft carrier with a great big sign behind him saying mission accomplished
How long ago was that
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:roll:
it is sad that people actually believe what i just typed...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
I completely agree except I will never blame the soldiers who were ordered to do their duty.
The murderers are
Bush, Blair and Howard and their governments
I cannot beleive they get away Scott free
How can a dumb ass store man in Newcastle Australia get it right yet these arseholes with everything at their fingertips get it so wrong
So many dead so may injured
They say they gave the Iraqi people freedom
Well in the last year I have seen many peoples in the middle east give freedom to themselves. This could have been the way Iraq got rid of their dictator
and i am not sure if the iraqis were going to do it themselves. at least under saddam they had electricity for a whole 24 hours in a row.
don't feel bad for getting it right. there were plenty of americans that got it right and we were out in the streets during the lead up to the war and up to a few weeks after it started. then we started getting cracked down on by authorites. i know some people on this forum were even monitored by the fbi at that time because of what they were posting on here. we got it right, but back then, it was apparently against the law to question the president, his actions, or his motives in a "time of war"...my how times have changed since bush left office...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Welcome to AMT noobs. It's a mind fuck
How much does butter cost?
and if you don't believe me about the rationed electricity that is still happening 8 years after the initial invasion, please google it.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Can't you see the big picture?
Decision Points
Who gives a shit about rationed electricity.
Those same ones who had FREEDOMS RAMMED DOWN THEIR THROATS AT THE END OF A GUN
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html
Graphic isn't it
And so sad
Fuck your big picture
The murder of innocents is not a big picture
it is because our "hippy brains" can't understand how war IS peace.
it seems he would rather take shots and try to bait me simply by being provocative.
i wonder if he has talked with any vets who came home recently. there are still provinces there that only have 8 hours of electricity per day. i view this snafu of not getting power plants up and running as part of "the big picture"....the big picture of a country that we destroyed without reason...
rationed power is one of the things that make the civilians over there very angry. it makes them resent us for what we did. it makes them say things like "at least under saddam we could run our refrigerators and freezers aroung the clock." and this story coming directly from a colonel i spoke with who came back in march.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
shocking...
not really...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the guy who lead that squad just got his punishment....3 months of "confinement." disgraceful :x
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Bin Ladens dead right? Mission accomplished right? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Bring them home. There are no longer any clearly defined or sound reasons for our continued involvement. Seeing the "mission" through (do they even know what that is anymore?), doesn't stand up to any reasoned or critical examination.
Who even really cares anymore? Ron Paul does. As POTUS he will bring them home.
It really is disgraceful. 24 men, women and children massacred and he get's off Scott free. Clearly the life of an Iraqi is worth nothing in the eyes of U.S justice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16712488
US marine in Haditha case 'should serve no time'
24 January 2012
A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended.
The decision by the judge at Camp Pendleton, California, must be approved by the commander of the Marine Corps Forces Central Command.
Sgt Frank Wuterich faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal.
He was one of eight marines charged over the killings at Haditha.
The charges against six were dropped or dismissed, and one was acquitted.
Military judge Lt Col David Jones said his hands had been tied by the terms of the plea agreement. However, he said he would recommend that Wuterich's rank be reduced to private.
The judge said he had decided not to dock the marine's pay because Wuterich is divorced with sole custody of his three young children.
Prosecutors had asked that Wuterich receive the maximum sentence of three months confinement, reduction in rank and forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay.
'Horrific result'
Wuterich's guilty plea ended the trial at Camp Pendleton nearly seven years after the killings.
Prosecutors had argued that on the day of the killings Wuterich lost control after seeing a friend blown apart by a bomb, before leading the soldiers under his command on a rampage.
They said his decision to send his squad to attack nearby homes went against his training.
"That is a horrific result from that derelict order of shooting first, ask questions later," Lt Col Sean Sullivan told the court.
Among the dead were women, children and elderly people, including a man in a wheelchair.
His former squad members testified during the hearings that they were not fired upon nor did they find any weapons at the scene of the killings.
Wuterich told the court that he ordered his men to "shoot first, ask questions later" so they would not hesitate in attacking the enemy, but he never intended to harm any civilians.
In his statement he addressed relatives of the Iraqi victims, saying there were no words to ease their pain.
"I wish to assure you that on that day, it was never my intention to harm you or your families. I know that you are the real victims of November 19, 2005," he said.
In Iraq, the plea deal that stopped Wuterich's trial on several charges of manslaughter sparked outrage.
Survivor Awis Fahmi Hussein, who had been shot in the back, said: "I was expecting that the American judiciary would sentence this person to life in prison and that he would appear and confess in front of the whole world that he committed this crime, so that America could show itself as democratic and fair."
that said, I remember this guy or one of the other "leaders" of the Hidatha fiasco was more of a video game "call to glory" type guy who actually wanted the chance to kill people. :x
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