Shouldn't have been there to begin with, but pulling out now is WORSE.
Obama should have stayed the course- stayed to ensure Iraq's security, but winning wars is not something defeatists do very well.
The vacuum will be filled by Obama's good buddies: Iran, Russia, Syria, China.
...
If we shouldn't be there... why stay there?
Iraq is going to still be Iraq whether we stay there another year, another decade, another 1,000 years. We cannot change their culture and religion with a military occupation.
We created the vacuum by taking out the Sunni power that was keeping th Shi'ia minority of Iran out. The natural order of things in that region is for the Shi'ia minority to form a bloc to contend with the surrounding Sunni majority. We took out Saddam Hussein and allowed an open door for Iran.
If anyone is responsible for Iranian influence to seep into Iraq... it is us. Civil war is in Iraq's future, whether we like it or not... our presence is just stiffling it. Sitting on a powder keg that has a fuse (that we lit) is not in our best interests.
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i presented fact on our dead soldiers and the cost. and the accepted figures of iraqi dead and the figure from the lancet. read my and byrnzie's post please.
you just don't like to hear the honest truth. nothing wrong with that. the truth hurts sometimes. and yes sometimes it is hard to admit when you are wrong and have made a mistake, which is my opinion on the iraq war. we were wrong and it was one big expensive mistake.
what part of murderer do you not get? i said that it is part of the job description and can also be an occupational hazard. you go to war you might have to kill someone, or you might end up in a flag draped coffin yourself.
and since you keep bringing it up, congress did not vote to declare war on iraq. they voted to authorize use of force, but we did not formally declare war. you might call it semantics, but the fact is that.
You have presented zero facts, other than a debatable number of people died in a war.
That's groundbreaking.
You have been offering the opinion that US soldiers are murderers.
Last time you tried to present facts on the Iraq war you told us all the war was illegal because Congress never voted on it. Then someone posted the congressional vote tallies, and you were real quiet for about a week.
Tuck that tail and whine about your other cheek... but don't pretend you are dealing facts here.
You are just baiting people w/ inflammatory opinions like calling soldiers murderers.
I could call you a murderer, b/c you voted for some politician, that voted for the Iraq war. By your logic, you are just as guilty of murder, as the soldier.
But your logic is still wrong...
Anyways, I have a couple of nice trade deals pending, and cannot currently endure a Xmas ban, just to tell you something about you that you don't know (Ron White- for those paying attention).
Im out...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i presented fact on our dead soldiers and the cost. and the accepted figures of iraqi dead and the figure from the lancet. read my and byrnzie's post please.
you just don't like to hear the honest truth. nothing wrong with that. the truth hurts sometimes. and yes sometimes it is hard to admit when you are wrong and have made a mistake, which is my opinion on the iraq war. we were wrong and it was one big expensive mistake.
what part of murderer do you not get? i said that it is part of the job description and can also be an occupational hazard. you go to war you might have to kill someone, or you might end up in a flag draped coffin yourself.
and since you keep bringing it up, congress did not vote to declare war on iraq. they voted to authorize use of force, but we did not formally declare war. you might call it semantics, but the fact is that.
You have presented zero facts, other than a debatable number of people died in a war.
That's groundbreaking.
You have been offering the opinion that US soldiers are murderers.
Last time you tried to present facts on the Iraq war you told us all the war was illegal because Congress never voted on it. Then someone posted the congressional vote tallies, and you were real quiet for about a week.
Tuck that tail and whine about your other cheek... but don't pretend you are dealing facts here.
You are just baiting people w/ inflammatory opinions like calling soldiers murderers.
I could call you a murderer, b/c you voted for some politician, that voted for the Iraq war. By your logic, you are just as guilty of murder, as the soldier.
But your logic is still wrong...
Anyways, I have a couple of nice trade deals pending, and cannot currently endure a Xmas ban, just to tell you something about you that you don't know (Ron White- for those paying attention).
Im out...
semantics, huh?
Looks like you're right, it CAN be hard for you to admit mistakes...
Looks like you're right, it CAN be hard for you to admit mistakes...
what is marxism?
actually let's get back on track.
who here belleves that the iraq war and occupation was worth it?
maybe you should the iraqies that helped to remove the statue of sadam hussian that question
I'll bet life is a little better for a lot of people now especially the villegers who might have survived
the attacks from "chimical ali".
They understand the difference b/w US soldiers and murderers.
Why not educate yourself on the atrocities that Saddam committed, such as the Halabja Massacre, and denounce evil and genocide when you see it? ...or do you only reserve hatred and disdain for the US Soldier?
They understand the difference b/w US soldiers and murderers.
Why not educate yourself on the atrocities that Saddam committed, such as the Halabja Massacre, and denounce evil and genocide when you see it? ...or do you only reserve hatred and disdain for the US Soldier?
the question was not about those people in your video. i asked who here on this forum thought it was worth it and why.
we did not go there to avenge those people that saddam attacked.
and until you answer one of my questions i will not bother to waste my time replying to you. thanks for derailing the thread.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
maybe you should the iraqies that helped to remove the statue of sadam hussian that question
I'll bet life is a little better for a lot of people now especially the villegers who might have survived
the attacks from "chimical ali".
Godfather.
i would ask them if i could. i am sure at the time in their euphoria would have made them say yes. now with all of the infighting of their new government and the sectarian disagreements they might not think it is so worth it now. some of them still don't have electricity...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Derailing? I'm talking about Saddam's war crimes in a thread about the Iraq war... If it wasn't for me, this thread would be on the ash heap by now...
But I'll play your silly game...
I think it was worth it.
To ensure no child has to writhe to death from VX nerve gas again- no matter where they live or what they believe.
But everything is so clear to armchair hippies that wax philisophical b/w rolling joints in the basement, so how would I know?
i have told you on several occasions to stop attacking me.
you think it is worth it. fine.
again we did not go there to avenge those people. we went to disarm the man who was involved with 9/11, right??
no, we went on a pack of lies. where are those wmd's again?
remember that saddam and osama bin laden and al queda were not allies. they actually hated each other. did you read the wikileaks cables??? probably not, but if you had you would have known that.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
maybe you should the iraqies that helped to remove the statue of sadam hussian that question
I'll bet life is a little better for a lot of people now especially the villegers who might have survived
the attacks from "chimical ali".
Godfather.
i would ask them if i could. i am sure at the time in their euphoria would have made them say yes. now with all of the infighting of their new government and the sectarian disagreements they might not think it is so worth it now. some of them still don't have electricity...
meh...nothing good last forever brother maybe someday the world will be able to look back on all this a learn to do things differently.
maybe you should the iraqies that helped to remove the statue of sadam hussian that question
I'll bet life is a little better for a lot of people now especially the villegers who might have survived
the attacks from "chimical ali".
Godfather.
i would ask them if i could. i am sure at the time in their euphoria would have made them say yes. now with all of the infighting of their new government and the sectarian disagreements they might not think it is so worth it now. some of them still don't have electricity...
meh...nothing good last forever brother maybe someday the world will be able to look back on all this a learn to do things differently.
Godfather.
but this is the thing godfather.. weve got the whole history of mankind to look back upon... and yet still were not getting it right... or doing things differently.
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this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
If you want to go around spitting on US soldiers and calling them baby-killers, go ahead, especially like you said, since there was one or two that acted illegally. Just indict them all, Gimme.
That probably plays pretty well in your circles... you get to sound like an intellectual, trash everything American, and regurgitate something you probably heard John Kerry say 40 years ago about "atrocities".
In your circle, smoking pot and talking about perceived injustices passes for socially-conscious action.
In your circle, spitting on US soldiiers and calling them baby-killers or murderers is perceived as a act of courage.
I just thank God for the soldier, that your circle is so small.
Talking of regurgitating thing's that you probably heard 40 years ago, where's your evidence that any U.S soldier was ever spat on by the anti-War movement protestors?
You don't have any evidence of this happening, because it never did happen.
maybe you should the iraqies that helped to remove the statue of sadam hussian that question
I'll bet life is a little better for a lot of people now especially the villegers who might have survived
the attacks from "chimical ali".
Godfather.
You mean the Iraqi's who spent 7 years attacking U.S occupation troops and calling for the U.S and British troops to get the fuck out of their country?
As for any villagers who may have survived the attacks by chemical Ali, maybe you can ask them where chemical Ali received those chemical weapons? The U.S sold them those weapons, and increased it's sales of those chemical weapons to Iraq after those attacks at Halabja.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack 'The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Leaked portions of Iraq's "Full, Final and Complete" disclosure of the sources for its weapons programs shows that thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture mustard gas, was among the chemical precursors provided to Iraq from US companies such as Alcolac International and Phillips. Both companies have since undergone reorganization and Phillips, once a subsidiary of Phillips Petroleum is now part of ConocoPhillips, an American oil and discount fossil fuel company, while Alcolac International has since dissolved and reformed as Alcolac Inc.'
Why not educate yourself on the atrocities that Saddam committed, such as the Halabja Massacre, and denounce evil and genocide when you see it? ...or do you only reserve hatred and disdain for the US Soldier?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/17/opini ... _ed3_.html
'...Analysis of thousands of captured Iraqi secret police documents and declassified U.S. government documents, as well as interviews with scores of Kurdish survivors, senior Iraqi defectors and retired U.S. intelligence officers, show (1) that Iraq carried out the attack on Halabja, and (2) that the United States, fully aware it was Iraq, accused Iran, Iraq's enemy in a fierce war, of being partly responsible for the attack. The State Department instructed its diplomats to say that Iran was partly to blame.
The result of this stunning act of sophistry was that the international community failed to muster the will to condemn Iraq strongly for an act as heinous as the terrorist strike on the World Trade Center.'
http://www.isreview.org/issues/26/Q&A_Gulf_war.shtml
The U.S. supplied Iraq with all sorts of chemical and biological weaponry long after it knew that Saddam was using these weapons in its war against Iran. “The U.S. Secretary of State acknowledged that he was aware of reports of Iraqi use of chemical weapons from 1983, and a United Nations team confirmed Iraqi use in a report of 16 March 1984,” according to Labour Against War, a British antiwar organization that produced its own “dossier” to refute the Blair dossier.
Nevertheless, the U.S. administration provided “crop-spraying” helicopters to Iraq (subsequently used in chemical attacks on the Kurds in 1988), gave Iraq access to intelligence information that allowed Iraq to “calibrate” its mustard attacks on Iranian troops (1984), seconded its air force officers to work with their Iraqi counterparts (from 1986), approved technological exports to Iraq’s missile procurement agency to extend the missiles’ range (1988), and blocked bills condemning Iraq in the House of Representatives (1985) and Senate (1988).
Only now, when the U.S. is making a case for war against Iraq, does it want to call attention to Iraq’s use of chemical and biological weapons. But no one should take the U.S. government’s newfound concern for the people of Iraq seriously. On the short list of candidates to replace Saddam after the regime change is none other than General Nizar Al-Khazraji, the field commander in charge of the attack on Halabja! But according David Mack, a senior State Department official, the general has “a good military reputation” and “the right ingredients” to lead Iraq in the future. Brigadier-General Najib Al-Salihi is also on the U.S. short list to lead a post-Saddam Iraq. Al-Salihi played an important military role in Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait and also helped organize the repression of the anti-Saddam uprisings at the end of the first Gulf War, forcing 1.5 million people to flee their homes. In 1995, he oversaw the crushing of another rebellion by an opposition group and then defected to the U.S., where he now lives.
P.51: 'In the U.K, between 1986 and 1991, twelve Early Day Motions were tabled [In Parliament]calling for the abandonment of the supply of arms to Iraq and condemning what happened at Halabja. Not one was signed by now prominent figures including Tony Blair, Jack Straw, Robin Cook, Geoff Hoon or John Prescott. The historian Peter Sluglett describes the events as having 'occasioned little reaction on the part of Iraq's patrons in the West beyond some feelings of unease, a feeling, perhaps, that a headstrong and wayward child had gone a little too far. He adds, 'As time went on, it appears that US and British intelligence agencies did indeed have a fairly clear idea of what was happening [but] clearly realised that forthright public condemnation would be bad for business and kept silent.'
If you want to go around spitting on US soldiers and calling them baby-killers, go ahead,
Talking of regurgitating thing's that you probably heard 40 years ago, where's your evidence that any U.S soldier was ever spat on by the anti-War movement protestors?
You don't have any evidence of this happening, because it never did happen.
Might be a stretch here, but MayDay's point was that when people call American Soldiers "murderers" and "baby-killers" they are in fact "spitting" on them. You translated literally and I doubt that was MayDay's point.
If you want to go around spitting on US soldiers and calling them baby-killers, go ahead,
Talking of regurgitating thing's that you probably heard 40 years ago, where's your evidence that any U.S soldier was ever spat on by the anti-War movement protestors?
You don't have any evidence of this happening, because it never did happen.
Might be a stretch here, but MayDay's point was that when people call American Soldiers "murderers" and "baby-killers" they are in fact "spitting" on them. You translated literally and I doubt that was MayDay's point.
yes.
I wish I was eloquent.
I wish I was eloquent.
I wish I was eloquent.
I hope things don't go badly for Iraq at this point. I wish them well.
I was against the war from the beginning, but after we went in there, I was fearful we would leave before they were truly ready for us to go.
...
Here is a possible scenario.
Remember Muqtada al Sadr? He is the Shi'ite Cleric who waged attacks on American troops towards the beginning of the occupation. He soon discovered, that this tactic was sure to fail because there was no way he could defeat the military might he was facing. He decided to lay low and altered his strategy to work from within the very system that the americans were putting into place. His followers democratically elected al Sadr supporters into the Iraqi parliment, so now... he has a legal say in the Iraqi government.
He returned to Iraq earlier this year from exile in Iran. He knew the Americans would have to leave as some point... all he had to do was wait them out.
His goal is a Shi'ite Bloc of Iraq and Iran. Saddam Hussein restricted entry of Shi'ites from Iran (and other countries) in order to maintain the Sunni dominance in Iraq. The U.S. actually did al Sadr a great favor by ousting Hussein and opening the door for a free flow of Shi'ites into Iraq. With the americans turning control over to the Iraqi government (al Maliki is a Shi'ite, you know), the Shi'ites can now direct Iraq in the direction they want. And what they want is a solid Shi'ite bloc in a Sunni Dominated Middle East. Iraqi oil funding an Iranian armed force.
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Hail, Hail!!!
Talking of regurgitating thing's that you probably heard 40 years ago, where's your evidence that any U.S soldier was ever spat on by the anti-War movement protestors?
You don't have any evidence of this happening, because it never did happen.
Might be a stretch here, but MayDay's point was that when people call American Soldiers "murderers" and "baby-killers" they are in fact "spitting" on them. You translated literally and I doubt that was MayDay's point.
yes.
I wish I was eloquent.
I wish I was eloquent.
I wish I was eloquent.
are you guys suggesting i spit on soldiers with my comments?
grow up please...
maybe if you would open your mind and try to see things from the point of view other than the flag waving american you might understand where my views are coming from.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
with no disrespect intended towards you or your post bro, why is the word "murder" used when ever the American side of this war is commented on ?
how many people where murdered in the twin towers, or by the suicide bombers that targeted populated aeras around the world,I don't like the fact that we had to go to war either it scares the shit out of me thinking my nephew and niece had to go or my friends that had to go or that my son may someday have to go , we can call it murder all day long and describe it a million different ways but the bottom line is wrong or right it was a retaliation for crimes or murders commited by radical muslims and the countries that protected them and I know...
You began by commenting on the Iraq war, you then made reference to terrorist attacks including 9/11, and then continued commenting on terrorism and radical Muslims.
Your attempts to justify the invasion of Iraq were sandwiched between two references to terrorism and 9/11.
Although this isn't the first time that you've claimed that Iraqi's had a hand in 9/11.
Comments
If we shouldn't be there... why stay there?
Iraq is going to still be Iraq whether we stay there another year, another decade, another 1,000 years. We cannot change their culture and religion with a military occupation.
We created the vacuum by taking out the Sunni power that was keeping th Shi'ia minority of Iran out. The natural order of things in that region is for the Shi'ia minority to form a bloc to contend with the surrounding Sunni majority. We took out Saddam Hussein and allowed an open door for Iran.
If anyone is responsible for Iranian influence to seep into Iraq... it is us. Civil war is in Iraq's future, whether we like it or not... our presence is just stiffling it. Sitting on a powder keg that has a fuse (that we lit) is not in our best interests.
Hail, Hail!!!
i presented fact on our dead soldiers and the cost. and the accepted figures of iraqi dead and the figure from the lancet. read my and byrnzie's post please.
you just don't like to hear the honest truth. nothing wrong with that. the truth hurts sometimes. and yes sometimes it is hard to admit when you are wrong and have made a mistake, which is my opinion on the iraq war. we were wrong and it was one big expensive mistake.
what part of murderer do you not get? i said that it is part of the job description and can also be an occupational hazard. you go to war you might have to kill someone, or you might end up in a flag draped coffin yourself.
and since you keep bringing it up, congress did not vote to declare war on iraq. they voted to authorize use of force, but we did not formally declare war. you might call it semantics, but the fact is that.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
semantics, huh?
Looks like you're right, it CAN be hard for you to admit mistakes...
http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-issues-arres ... 08037.html
well, we got two days of PEACE out of that eight year war. Definitely worth the loss of life and trillions of dollars spent.
actually let's get back on track.
who here belleves that the iraq war and occupation was worth it?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'll bet life is a little better for a lot of people now especially the villegers who might have survived
the attacks from "chimical ali".
Godfather.
The families of these 5,000 (mostly women and children) believe it was worth it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RT6e2QD ... re=related
They understand the difference b/w US soldiers and murderers.
Why not educate yourself on the atrocities that Saddam committed, such as the Halabja Massacre, and denounce evil and genocide when you see it? ...or do you only reserve hatred and disdain for the US Soldier?
we did not go there to avenge those people that saddam attacked.
and until you answer one of my questions i will not bother to waste my time replying to you. thanks for derailing the thread.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But I'll play your silly game...
I think it was worth it.
To ensure no child has to writhe to death from VX nerve gas again- no matter where they live or what they believe.
But everything is so clear to armchair hippies that wax philisophical b/w rolling joints in the basement, so how would I know?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you think it is worth it. fine.
again we did not go there to avenge those people. we went to disarm the man who was involved with 9/11, right??
no, we went on a pack of lies. where are those wmd's again?
remember that saddam and osama bin laden and al queda were not allies. they actually hated each other. did you read the wikileaks cables??? probably not, but if you had you would have known that.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"And when you kill a man you're a murderer / Kill many and you're a conqueror / Kill them all and you're a god."
I believe a double standard may exist in there somewhere.
meh...nothing good last forever brother maybe someday the world will be able to look back on all this a learn to do things differently.
Godfather.
but this is the thing godfather.. weve got the whole history of mankind to look back upon... and yet still were not getting it right... or doing things differently.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Are you suggesting that the people who attacked the U.S on 9/11 were Iraqi's?
Talking of regurgitating thing's that you probably heard 40 years ago, where's your evidence that any U.S soldier was ever spat on by the anti-War movement protestors?
You don't have any evidence of this happening, because it never did happen.
Here, try educating yourself a bit if you can manage to take some time out from making personal attacks against Gimme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image
You mean the Iraqi's who spent 7 years attacking U.S occupation troops and calling for the U.S and British troops to get the fuck out of their country?
As for any villagers who may have survived the attacks by chemical Ali, maybe you can ask them where chemical Ali received those chemical weapons? The U.S sold them those weapons, and increased it's sales of those chemical weapons to Iraq after those attacks at Halabja.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
'The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Leaked portions of Iraq's "Full, Final and Complete" disclosure of the sources for its weapons programs shows that thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture mustard gas, was among the chemical precursors provided to Iraq from US companies such as Alcolac International and Phillips. Both companies have since undergone reorganization and Phillips, once a subsidiary of Phillips Petroleum is now part of ConocoPhillips, an American oil and discount fossil fuel company, while Alcolac International has since dissolved and reformed as Alcolac Inc.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/17/opini ... _ed3_.html
'...Analysis of thousands of captured Iraqi secret police documents and declassified U.S. government documents, as well as interviews with scores of Kurdish survivors, senior Iraqi defectors and retired U.S. intelligence officers, show (1) that Iraq carried out the attack on Halabja, and (2) that the United States, fully aware it was Iraq, accused Iran, Iraq's enemy in a fierce war, of being partly responsible for the attack. The State Department instructed its diplomats to say that Iran was partly to blame.
The result of this stunning act of sophistry was that the international community failed to muster the will to condemn Iraq strongly for an act as heinous as the terrorist strike on the World Trade Center.'
http://www.isreview.org/issues/26/Q&A_Gulf_war.shtml
The U.S. supplied Iraq with all sorts of chemical and biological weaponry long after it knew that Saddam was using these weapons in its war against Iran. “The U.S. Secretary of State acknowledged that he was aware of reports of Iraqi use of chemical weapons from 1983, and a United Nations team confirmed Iraqi use in a report of 16 March 1984,” according to Labour Against War, a British antiwar organization that produced its own “dossier” to refute the Blair dossier.
Nevertheless, the U.S. administration provided “crop-spraying” helicopters to Iraq (subsequently used in chemical attacks on the Kurds in 1988), gave Iraq access to intelligence information that allowed Iraq to “calibrate” its mustard attacks on Iranian troops (1984), seconded its air force officers to work with their Iraqi counterparts (from 1986), approved technological exports to Iraq’s missile procurement agency to extend the missiles’ range (1988), and blocked bills condemning Iraq in the House of Representatives (1985) and Senate (1988).
Only now, when the U.S. is making a case for war against Iraq, does it want to call attention to Iraq’s use of chemical and biological weapons. But no one should take the U.S. government’s newfound concern for the people of Iraq seriously. On the short list of candidates to replace Saddam after the regime change is none other than General Nizar Al-Khazraji, the field commander in charge of the attack on Halabja! But according David Mack, a senior State Department official, the general has “a good military reputation” and “the right ingredients” to lead Iraq in the future. Brigadier-General Najib Al-Salihi is also on the U.S. short list to lead a post-Saddam Iraq. Al-Salihi played an important military role in Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait and also helped organize the repression of the anti-Saddam uprisings at the end of the first Gulf War, forcing 1.5 million people to flee their homes. In 1995, he oversaw the crushing of another rebellion by an opposition group and then defected to the U.S., where he now lives.
P.51: 'In the U.K, between 1986 and 1991, twelve Early Day Motions were tabled [In Parliament]calling for the abandonment of the supply of arms to Iraq and condemning what happened at Halabja. Not one was signed by now prominent figures including Tony Blair, Jack Straw, Robin Cook, Geoff Hoon or John Prescott. The historian Peter Sluglett describes the events as having 'occasioned little reaction on the part of Iraq's patrons in the West beyond some feelings of unease, a feeling, perhaps, that a headstrong and wayward child had gone a little too far. He adds, 'As time went on, it appears that US and British intelligence agencies did indeed have a fairly clear idea of what was happening [but] clearly realised that forthright public condemnation would be bad for business and kept silent.'
now let's see if we can have a serious discussion today....without the personal attacks...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I was against the war from the beginning, but after we went in there, I was fearful we would leave before they were truly ready for us to go.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Might be a stretch here, but MayDay's point was that when people call American Soldiers "murderers" and "baby-killers" they are in fact "spitting" on them. You translated literally and I doubt that was MayDay's point.
did I say that ?...nice try buddy.
Godfather.
yes.
I wish I was eloquent.
I wish I was eloquent.
I wish I was eloquent.
Here is a possible scenario.
Remember Muqtada al Sadr? He is the Shi'ite Cleric who waged attacks on American troops towards the beginning of the occupation. He soon discovered, that this tactic was sure to fail because there was no way he could defeat the military might he was facing. He decided to lay low and altered his strategy to work from within the very system that the americans were putting into place. His followers democratically elected al Sadr supporters into the Iraqi parliment, so now... he has a legal say in the Iraqi government.
He returned to Iraq earlier this year from exile in Iran. He knew the Americans would have to leave as some point... all he had to do was wait them out.
His goal is a Shi'ite Bloc of Iraq and Iran. Saddam Hussein restricted entry of Shi'ites from Iran (and other countries) in order to maintain the Sunni dominance in Iraq. The U.S. actually did al Sadr a great favor by ousting Hussein and opening the door for a free flow of Shi'ites into Iraq. With the americans turning control over to the Iraqi government (al Maliki is a Shi'ite, you know), the Shi'ites can now direct Iraq in the direction they want. And what they want is a solid Shi'ite bloc in a Sunni Dominated Middle East. Iraqi oil funding an Iranian armed force.
Hail, Hail!!!
grow up please...
maybe if you would open your mind and try to see things from the point of view other than the flag waving american you might understand where my views are coming from.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Here's what you said:
You began by commenting on the Iraq war, you then made reference to terrorist attacks including 9/11, and then continued commenting on terrorism and radical Muslims.
Your attempts to justify the invasion of Iraq were sandwiched between two references to terrorism and 9/11.
Although this isn't the first time that you've claimed that Iraqi's had a hand in 9/11.
Sad.
this never happened before we went there...
excellent decision georgieboy... more blood directly on your hands...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Is that why my sisters husband is there right now? :roll:
wake me up when its really over
8/7/08, 6/9/09