Newt Gingrich: "Palestinians are an invented people"

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

When I suggested you try using another source than the guardian for your information, I really didn't think wikipedia would be next.

I really don't care.

You'll attack whatever source I use because that's all you can do.

you are wasting time posting articles...

he used to post "tldr" to me....meaning "too long, didn't read"...

gimmesometruth27

every time i hear newt speak now i puke....kinda like what happens to stan when wendy testaberger talks...

if america elects this man it is indeed the death knell for this country.

Chip McFlennigan

He's not wrong. Both the modern Palestinians and Israelis are "invented."

The problem is, when a white politician says something "derogatory" (regardless of whether or not it's true) about people who aren't white, they're insensitive pieces of shit.

When a powerful minority disses white people, it's cool, though. Barack Obama mandating various institutions to "diversify" (read: hire anyone who isn't white) is seen as a good thing by the very same people who decry racism when it's white-on-non-white.

My point is, consistency is key. Newt is a coward because, if he was concerned with the truth, he'd be open about both modern Palestinians and Israelis being "invented peoples."

On the flip side, I don't remember reading any negative threads on AMT in the summertime when Obama more or less demanded that no government agencies hire whites.

Chip McFlennigan

Byrnzie wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

maybe the jews should go back to Egypt and work for the pharohs.
fucking remove names and its fucking OPPRESSION
you would think jews know a bit about how that feels
BUT THEY DISH IT OUT QUITE HAPPILY

Or they could simply stop stealing land that doesn't belong to them and return to the 1967 borders - with minor mutual adjustments - and allow the Palestinians to live in peace in their own state as they are entitled to do under international law - which the U.S has been blocking for the past 40 years.

Well, the poor, oppressed Israelis will never allow that to happen. Just remember, they're always the victims.

Chip McFlennigan

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

maybe the jews should go back to Egypt and work for the pharohs.
fucking remove names and its fucking OPPRESSION
you would think jews know a bit about how that feels
BUT THEY DISH IT OUT QUITE HAPPILY

That's every culture. Oppress them all you want, but, if their children are not oppressed, they'll see no problem in oppressing others.

VivaPalestina

The Palestinians are being used once again, this time by the mainstream media. If a democrat said this, it would be swept away. But because Newt said it, it makes headlines. Palestinians are dying everyday, how come that does make the front page, because a Republican can't be directly blamed?

peacefrompaul

Byrnzie wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

maybe the jews should go back to Egypt and work for the pharohs.
fucking remove names and its fucking OPPRESSION
you would think jews know a bit about how that feels
BUT THEY DISH IT OUT QUITE HAPPILY

Or they could simply stop stealing land that doesn't belong to them and return to the 1967 borders - with minor mutual adjustments - and allow the Palestinians to live in peace in their own state as they are entitled to do under international law - which the U.S has been blocking for the past 40 years.

Yes of course but good luck convincing folks that live in a country they believe to be the promised land to simply leave.

gimmesometruth27

Gingrich fuels more Mideast conflict: Palestinians

http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-fuels-mo ... 12009.html

RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Palestinian leaders said on Saturday U.S. Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich had invited more conflict in the Middle East by calling the Palestinians an "invented" people who want to destroy Israel.

Saeb Erekat, a senior Palestinian official, described his comments in an interview as "despicable." Hanan Ashrawi, another top official, said Gingrich's "very racist comments" showed he was "incapable of holding public office."

"This is the lowest point of thinking anyone can reach," Erekat, a close advisor to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, told Reuters. Such comments served only to "increase the cycle of violence," he added.

"What is the cause of violence, war in this region? Denial, denying people their religion, their existence, and now he is denying our existence," said Erekat, for years a leading figure in peace talks aimed at the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

In an interview on Friday with the Jewish Channel, Gingrich predictably sided with Israel in its conflict with the Palestinians, who are seeking a state of their own on land occupied by Israel in a 1967 war.

But the former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives departed from official U.S. policy that respects the Palestinians as a people deserving of their own state based on negotiations with Israel.

"Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire" until the early 20th century, said Gingrich, who has risen to the top of Republican polls with voting to start early next year to pick a nominee to challenge Democratic President Barack Obama in the November 2012 election.

NO "CONTRIBUTION TO PEACE"

"I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs, and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he said.

There are around 11 million Palestinians around the world, Palestinian officials say. They include refugees and their descendants who left or were forced to flee their homes during the 1948 war that led to the creation of Israel. More than 4 million of them live in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

The 1948 war erupted after Arab states rejected a U.N. plan that would have divided British mandate-ruled Palestine into Arab and Jewish states.

Gingrich along with other Republican candidates are seeking to attract Jewish support by vowing to bolster U.S. ties with Israel if elected.

He said both the Hamas militant group, which controls the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Authority, which receives financial backing from the United States, represent "an enormous desire to destroy Israel."

While Hamas remains committed to armed "resistance" and will not recognize Israel, the Palestinian Authority based in Ramallah states that only peaceful means can deliver Palestinian statehood and its security forces cooperate with Israel.

Ashrawi, a member of the Palestine Liberation Organisation Executive Committee, said Gingrich's remarks harked back to days when the Palestinians' existence as a people was denied by Israelis such as Golda Meir, prime minister from 1969 to 1974.

"It is certainly regressive," she said. "This is certainly an invitation to further conflict rather than any contribution to peace."

"This proves that in the hysterical atmosphere of American elections, people lose all touch with reality and make not just irresponsible and dangerous statements, but also very racist comments that betray not just their own ignorance but an unforgivable bias," she said.

Fawzi Barhoum, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza, said the Gingrich remarks "were grave comments that represented an incitement for ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians."

usamamasan1

When Gingrich said he was speaking the truth, Romney said: "We're going to tell the truth. But we're not going to throw incendiary words into a place which is a boiling pot."
But Gingrich said he was simply doing what Ronald Reagan used to do, which was to tell the truth no matter how unpleasant. "I'm a Reaganite," he said.


THIS ^^^^^
leave little unspoken and sugar coat nothing. If I had a daughter instead of two sons, she would have been


Look it up----
Americans are most likely to say Ronald Reagan was the nation's greatest president -- slightly ahead of Abraham Lincoln and Bill Clinton. Reagan, Lincoln, or John F. Kennedy has been at the top of this "greatest president" list each time this question has been asked in eight surveys over the last 12 years.

Now for some math. It's simple so everyone should be able to follow along....

Greatest country in the history of mankind (other than Scandanavia) + greatest President of all time= Reagan was the fucking man!

I almost think that goes beyond a hypothesis or theory...I will stamp it now to avoid confusion... FACT!

Woot for the Reaganites!

peacefrompaul

And... Al Jazeera Ladies and Gentlemen.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/ ... 83540.html

usamamasan1

Good read, here is what makes sense to me from it....(taken from al jazeera article linked above)

Gingrich also sharply criticised US President Barack Obama's approach to Middle East diplomacy, saying that it was "so out of touch with reality that it would be like taking your child to the zoo and explaining that a lion was a bunny rabbit."

He said Obama's effort to treat the Palestinians the same as the Israelis is actually "favouring the terrorists".

"If I'm even-handed between a civilian democracy that obeys the rule of law and a group of terrorists that are firing missiles every day, that's not even-handed, that's favouring the terrorists," he said.

He also said the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, which governs the Gaza Strip, share an "enormous desire to destroy Israel".


And there you have it. This is one of the many reasons why I support the GOP and Israels right to live in peace.

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

Look it up----
Americans are most likely to say Ronald Reagan was the nation's greatest president -- slightly ahead of Abraham Lincoln and Bill Clinton. Reagan, Lincoln, or John F. Kennedy has been at the top of this "greatest president" list each time this question has been asked in eight surveys over the last 12 years.

Now for some math. It's simple so everyone should be able to follow along....

Greatest country in the history of mankind (other than Scandanavia) + greatest President of all time= Reagan was the fucking man!

I almost think that goes beyond a hypothesis or theory...I will stamp it now to avoid confusion... FACT!

Woot for the Reaganites!

Reagan was a liar with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands. He shat on the U.S constitution and degraded the Presidency. His body should have burned in a trash bin.

And Scandinavia isn't a country.

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

Good read, here is what makes sense to me from it....(taken from al jazeera article linked above)

Gingrich also sharply criticised US President Barack Obama's approach to Middle East diplomacy, saying that it was "so out of touch with reality that it would be like taking your child to the zoo and explaining that a lion was a bunny rabbit."

He said Obama's effort to treat the Palestinians the same as the Israelis is actually "favouring the terrorists".

"If I'm even-handed between a civilian democracy that obeys the rule of law and a group of terrorists that are firing missiles every day, that's not even-handed, that's favouring the terrorists," he said.

He also said the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, which governs the Gaza Strip, share an "enormous desire to destroy Israel".


And there you have it. This is one of the many reasons why I support the GOP and Israels right to live in peace.

In other words, despite already having provided you with the facts on this issue on countless occasions, you will insist on continuing to spout your mis-informed, hateful gibberish.
You will follow the Republican line regardless. Even if that line happens to be a bunch of dangerous racist nonsense.

Not that I expect any better. You lost all credibility with me a long time ago.

And rather than risk a ban, I will do my best to ignore your trolling and baiting bullshit from now on.

usamamasan1

There is an ignore function you should try. I would appreciate it. This is not a place for anger and hate.
Calling the Republican line racist is not ok. Please read the posting guidelines.

ONCE DEVIDED

wolfamongwolves wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

maybe the jews should go back to Egypt and work for the pharohs.
fucking remove names and its fucking OPPRESSION
you would think jews know a bit about how that feels
BUT THEY DISH IT OUT QUITE HAPPILY

I think you should probably be a bit more careful with your terminology. I assume (hope) you mean "the state of Israel", as a political entity, and not "the jews" as a ethno-religious group. Don't equate the two.

haha this is typical, in a thread about NEWT saying that palestinian are arabs not Plaestinians im instructed to be "CAREFUL" about JEWS
the last time I looked the state of ISREAL was full of em. and More jews from around the world are heading there and or supporting it.
its ok for the JEWISH state of isreal to label any muslim as a terrorist isnt it

ONCE DEVIDED

peacefrompaul wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

maybe the jews should go back to Egypt and work for the pharohs.
fucking remove names and its fucking OPPRESSION
you would think jews know a bit about how that feels
BUT THEY DISH IT OUT QUITE HAPPILY

Or they could simply stop stealing land that doesn't belong to them and return to the 1967 borders - with minor mutual adjustments - and allow the Palestinians to live in peace in their own state as they are entitled to do under international law - which the U.S has been blocking for the past 40 years.

Yes of course but good luck convincing folks that live in a country they believe to be the promised land to simply leave.

who is asking them to leave. How about share. Its only the stupid ignorant hardline fundamenalists from each sidewho fuck it up. I can only imagine that most who are moderate want peace. They fear each other now because the fundamentalists have created a war where either wont back down

Thoughts_Arrive

once d I vided....

Do you not have a problem with a country being taken over by another group, a group which expels those native to that land? And you think they should just 'share'?

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

There is an ignore function you should try. I would appreciate it. This is not a place for anger and hate.
Calling the Republican line racist is not ok. Please read the posting guidelines.

Says the moral authority on this message board

Byrnzie

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

who is asking them to leave. How about share. Its only the stupid ignorant hardline fundamenalists from each sidewho fuck it up. I can only imagine that most who are moderate want peace. They fear each other now because the fundamentalists have created a war where either wont back down

The Israeli's are being asked to leave the land they stole during and after the 1967 war. This is line with international law and the will of the whole World - excluding the U.S.

That's all.

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

When Gingrich said he was speaking the truth, Romney said: "We're going to tell the truth. But we're not going to throw incendiary words into a place which is a boiling pot."
But Gingrich said he was simply doing what Ronald Reagan used to do, which was to tell the truth no matter how unpleasant. "I'm a Reaganite," he said.


THIS ^^^^^
leave little unspoken and sugar coat nothing. If I had a daughter instead of two sons, she would have been


Look it up----
Americans are most likely to say Ronald Reagan was the nation's greatest president -- slightly ahead of Abraham Lincoln and Bill Clinton. Reagan, Lincoln, or John F. Kennedy has been at the top of this "greatest president" list each time this question has been asked in eight surveys over the last 12 years.

Now for some math. It's simple so everyone should be able to follow along....

Greatest country in the history of mankind (other than Scandanavia) + greatest President of all time= Reagan was the fucking man!

I almost think that goes beyond a hypothesis or theory...I will stamp it now to avoid confusion... FACT!

Woot for the Reaganites!

Here's some interesting information about your hero Reagan which you will ignore:


http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/reagan.php

Ronald Reagan Guilty of Treason & War Crimes

As the mass media engaged in an orgy of adulation for Ronald Reagan in June of 2004, many thinking persons were remembering and mourning the deaths of the hundreds of thousands of victims of Ronald Reagan's policies and pondering the lasting damage that the man did not only to the United States but to the world.

During Reagan's reign the United States experienced the beginning of the end of what could have been a great nation. Under Reagan, elements within the government engaged in massive criminal activity that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the entrenchment of a vicious and evil criminal organization that is now firmly in power of not only the United States but much of the world.


Reagan's crimes are many and started well before he was President when he and Bush committed treason and paid the Iranian's to not release the hostages in order to prevent the re-election of Jimmy Carter in 1980, not to mention his reign of stupidity as Governor of California. The hostages were released as promised as Reagan was sworn into office. Reagan then secretly sold chemical & biological weapons to Iraq and told CIA buddy Saddam Hussein to step up bombing of Iran while still selling weapons to Iran in a war that claimed an estimated one million victims. The criminal activities in the Mid East stretched around the world to Central America in the spectacle that came to be known as Iran-Contra.

In Afghanistan, Reagan was busy funding Ossama bin Laden and a terrorist army to displace the Russians. Once the mighty 'Muhjadeen' had completed their task they were partially abandoned and became the Taliban and Al Queda. With no real replacement intended for the Russian backed government, the radical muslims quickly took power. Only later did the army without a war become the enemy so desperately needed by the US defense industry.

In Central America, Reagan-Bush ran a massive criminal operation that imported hundreds of tons of cocaine into the US and shipped arms illegally to the terrorist Contras that Reagan affectionately called "Freedom Fighters". Coca paste was brought in from South America by plane to an airstrip near Puntarenas, Costa Rica owned by Reagan/Bush supporter Julio Calleja and processed on the ranch of CIA operative John Hull. From there the high-grade coke was shipped by plane to the Mina, Arkansas Airport under the protection of Bill Clinton and to various Air Force bases..

Under direct US control, Reagan's 'Freedom Fighters' raped, tortured and murdered tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Nicaragua in an effort to bring down Nicaragua's first democratically elected government. The US had previously ruled Nicaragua through the brutal Somoza family dicatorship, once the dictatorship was overthrown by a popular revolution the US was quick to start an criminal campaign of terror against the government and civilians. The campaign of terror claimed 50,000 lives and crippled the entire nation.

Nicaragua took its case to the World Court. The court found that the U.S. actions constituted "an unlawful use of force .... [that] cannot be justified either by collective self-defence ... nor by any right of the United States to take counter-measures involving the use of force." The court ordered the United States to pay reparations, estimated at between $12 billion and $17 billion, to Nicaragua. Two weeks after the verdict was issued, the U.S. Congress voted to give the Contras $100 million to continue their war of terror against the people of Nicaragua. The US has never recognized the World Court's ruling nor paid any of the compensation owed to Nicaragua.

"The ripple effects of that criminal murderous intervention in my country will go on for 50 years or more." Fr. D'Escoto, Priest and former Nicaraguan Foreign Minister

Reagan's blood-fest wasn't limited to Nicaragua, his puppet military dictators abducted, tortured, murdered and mutilated over 200,000 civilians in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras in the name of 'democracy' and fighting communism. Nor was the slaughter done only through the US controlled dictators. In operations that are still highly classified, US AC-130 gunships, crewed by US personnel, flew at night over mountainous areas with potential rebels and killed anything that gave off body-heat. The AC-130 is a highly sophisticated computerized killing machine that "incorporate side-firing weapons integrated with sophisticated sensor, navigation and fire control systems to provide surgical firepower or area saturation during extended loiter periods, at night and in adverse weather. The sensor suite consists of a television sensor, infrared sensor and radar." - US Air Force

In 1999 the United Nations determined that the wholesale slaughter of Guatemalans, constituted "genocide." It was a genocide ordered and managed by the White House under Reagan.

For their part in Iran-Contra fourteen high level government officials were charged, yet few of them were convicted and received any real penalty. Bush pardoned six of the criminal conspirators. Some of those involved in the Iran-Contra crimes are now back in power under the current Bush administration.

Despite some environmental concessions to voters while Governor of California, Reagan's real views on the environment became clear during his Presidential campaign when he claimed that trees caused more air pollution than cars. During his criminal reign of terror he systematically dismantled environmental protection laws and rolled back decades of hard-won progress to protect the Earth and the health of its inhabitants.

To help ensure the rape of the land he appointed lunatic James Watt as Secretary of the Interior who claimed "We don’t have to protect the environment, the Second Coming [of Christ] is at hand." It wasn't until Watt was trying to defend his decision to give away more than 1 billion tons of coal from federal lands in Wyoming that he was finally acknowledged for what he was. His defense for the coal giveway was that he was immune to criticism because members of his coal-advisory panel included "a black ... a woman, two Jews, and a cripple." This comment finally got him fired in 1983.

His appointee for the EPA was the environment molester Anne Gorsuch who tried her best to gut the hard-won Clean Air and Clean Water Acts. Gorsuch's Superfund Director, Rita Lavelle, was jailed for lying to Congress under oath about the corruption in her division. Gorsuch was fired in 1983 when documents exposed by Congress revealed the corruption and crimes committed by the EPA under her direction.

...America's worst financial disaster since the Great Depression occured under Reagan with the collapse of the Savings & Loan system. Nearly $500 billion was looted from thousands of Savings & Loans by a criminal ring that included the Mafia, CIA and the Bush family. Neil Bush was involved in the collapse of Silverado Savings & Loan but never served any jail time. By the time the Federal government and elite is done milking the scam further, US taxpayers will have paid well over a trillion dollars.

The full extent of Reagan's crimes may never be known because George W. Bush issued an executive order which countermands the 1978 Presidential Records Act and prevents the release of 68,000 pages of Reagan era documents. Given that Reagan lacked the intelligence to carry out most of the more elaborate crimes, the records are likely to shed light on the true role of the Bush crime family.

Let us remember Reagan as he really was...

o Liar
o Thief
o Mass murderer
o War criminal
o Traitor
o Destroyer of freedom
o Destroyer of the environment


While Reagan may have not been entirely aware of what he was doing and how his decisions would impact the world, he was also much more sinister than the media has portrayed him. We can only hope that he gets to meet some of his many victims after joining the other thugs in hell.



Reagan and Guatemala's Death Files

By Robert Parry
http://www.consortiumnews.com/052699a1.html