Newt Gingrich: "Palestinians are an invented people"

Byrnzie
Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited December 2011 in A Moving Train
What a deluded, racist cretin this man is. Just another typical lying scumbag Republican.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... t-gingrich

Palestinians are an invented people, says Newt Gingrich

Republican frontrunner says Israelis have a right to their modern-day homeland but implies Palestinians do not



guardian.co.uk, Saturday 10 December 2011


The US Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich has declared that the Palestinians are an "invented" people who want to destroy Israel.

The Jewish Channel, a cable TV station, posted online its interview with the former US House speaker, who has risen to the top of Republican nomination candidates to challenge Democratic President Barack Obama in the November 2012 election.

Gingrich differed from official US policy that respects the Palestinians as a people deserving of their own state based on negotiations with Israel. "Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire" until the early 20th century, Gingrich said.

"I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he said.

Most historians mark the start of Palestinian Arab nationalist sentiment as 1834, when Arab residents of the Palestinian region revolted against Ottoman rule.

Modern-day Israel, founded amid the 1948 Arab-Israel war, took shape along the lines of a 1947 UN plan for ethnic partition of the then-British ruled territory of Palestine. Arabs rejected the division.

Gingrich and other Republican candidates are seeking to attract Jewish support by vowing to bolster US ties with Israel if elected.

Gingrich said the Hamas militant group, which controls the Gaza Strip, and the the governing Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank, represented "an enormous desire to destroy Israel".

The US government has sought to encourage the Palestinian Authority to negotiate with Israel but regards Hamas as a terrorist group.

The Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, opposes violence against Israel as a means to secure an independent state, pinning his hopes first on negotiations and more recently on a unilateral bid for statehood via the United Nations.

Gingrich said he would be willing to consider granting clemency to Jonathan Jay Pollard, who has been serving life since 1987 for passing US secrets to Israel. Successive US presidents have refused Israel's requests to free him.

"If we can get to a point where I'm satisfied that there's no national security threat, and if he's in fact served within the range of people who've had a similar problem, then I'd be inclined to consider clemency," Gingrich said.

Gingrich sharply criticised the Obama administration's approach to Middle East diplomacy, saying it was "so out of touch with reality that it would be like taking your child to the zoo and explaining that a lion was a bunny rabbit".
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    They are in fact Arabs and part of the Arab community.

    It is tragic, the sustained war against Israel...
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    They are in fact Arabs and part of the Arab community.

    It is tragic

    This just shows your ignorance.

    They are an Arab-speaking people. Not technically Arabs.

    But then as far as ignorant Western racists are concerned all Arabic speaking people in the Middle East are Arabs. It's as absurd and deluded as someone saying that all English speaking people are English.
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Kind of like saying the English embassy in Iran was stormed?
    Nah. Not the same. What Newt said (what I reiterated) is true. Look it up. Try somethingnother than the guardian... :lol:

    Woot for newt and peace for Israel and it's people.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Kind of like saying the English embassy in Iran was stormed?
    Nah. Not the same. What Newt said (what I reiterated) is true. Look it up. Try somethingnother than the guardian... :lol:

    Woot for newt and peace for Israel and it's people.

    Most Palestinians don't regard themselves as Arabs. Just as Egyptians don't regard themselves as Arabs. The term 'Arab' is mostly applied by lazy Westerners to describe everyone of Middle Eastern origin, but it's innaccurate. Though I can understand why you would support everything Newt Gingrich says, because he happens to be a Republican.
    If the Republicans did an about turn and decided to throw their support behind the Palestinians then you'd jump on that bandwagon too and use every bullshit reason and excuse to denigrate the Israeli's.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people
    'Genetic analysis and historical accounts suggest the Muslims of Palestine are largely descendents of Christians and Jews of the southern Levant, and descendents of a core population that lived there in prehistoric times.'
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    When I suggested you try using another source than the guardian for your information, I really didn't think wikipedia would be next.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    When I suggested you try using another source than the guardian for your information, I really didn't think wikipedia would be next.

    I really don't care.

    You'll attack whatever source I use because that's all you can do.
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    edited December 2011
    Here is a twofer!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian

    I'm just saying, maybe you could read up on some of your topics from other sources...

    The paper identifies with centre-left liberalism and its readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion."

    But I digress. This is about newt. I think Israel deserves peace as do all who can respect each others right to exist.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    By the way, Americans could also be described as an invented people.

    "I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he said.


    "I think that we've had an invented American people who are in fact Europeans and who were historically part of the European community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against the Native Americans now since the 1490's, and it's tragic," he said.
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    That's a great point.

    Carry on.
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Oh Newt.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Here is a twofer!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian

    I'm just saying, maybe you could read up on some of your topics from other sources...

    The paper identifies with centre-left liberalism and its readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion."

    But I digress. This is about newt and the Arabs. I think Israel deserves peace as do all who can respect each others right to exist.


    The Guardian is one of the most respected news sources in the World.

    Anyway, did Newt Gingrich say the following or didn't he?

    "I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he said.

    The fact that I quoted the Guardian article is irrelevant. I'm sure I could have found a reference to this in one of a number of publications. But that's not the point. It's just a distraction.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    How about we all just stop giving a fuck about the middle east? Not my fucking tax money..



    Ron Paul needs to win this fucking election.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Gob wrote:
    How about we all just stop giving a fuck about the middle east? Not my fucking tax money..



    Ron Paul needs to win this fucking election.

    Though there's a difference between ceasing to bankroll and give unconditional support to one side, and not giving a fuck. There is a third way.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,770
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    They are in fact Arabs and part of the Arab community.

    It is tragic, the sustained war against Israel...

    Perhaps you'll immigrate and defend the Israeli homeland with your life? I mean since you feel so strongly about it? And sustained? You mean since remembering the USS Liberty? Or Jonathan Pollard? Tragic? What is so tragic?

    Facts please. If you got 'em.

    Peace.
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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,963
    Byrnzie wrote:
    By the way, Americans could also be described as an invented people.

    Yeah, but everybody knows that and it's true. By using this to back yourself up you just agreed with Newt.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    eddiec wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    By the way, Americans could also be described as an invented people.

    Yeah, but everybody knows that and it's true. By using this to back yourself up you just agreed with Newt.

    No I didn't. Newt Gingrich is suggesting that the Palestinians have no right to a state. By my analogy with America I was merely pointing out that using his logic there are many nations that could be denied statehood. Notwithstanding the fact that 99% of the International community support Palestinian statehood.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    It is tragic, the sustained war against Israel...

    Only if you inhabit a topsy-turvy Alice in Wonderland reality.

    For those of us looking at the World the right way up, this is what your so-called war against Israel looks like:

    1209072380maps_of_palestine.jpg
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    maybe the jews should go back to Egypt and work for the pharohs.
    fucking remove names and its fucking OPPRESSION
    you would think jews know a bit about how that feels
    BUT THEY DISH IT OUT QUITE HAPPILY
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    maybe the jews should go back to Egypt and work for the pharohs.
    fucking remove names and its fucking OPPRESSION
    you would think jews know a bit about how that feels
    BUT THEY DISH IT OUT QUITE HAPPILY

    I think you should probably be a bit more careful with your terminology. I assume (hope) you mean "the state of Israel", as a political entity, and not "the jews" as a ethno-religious group. Don't equate the two.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    maybe the jews should go back to Egypt and work for the pharohs.
    fucking remove names and its fucking OPPRESSION
    you would think jews know a bit about how that feels
    BUT THEY DISH IT OUT QUITE HAPPILY

    Or they could simply stop stealing land that doesn't belong to them and return to the 1967 borders - with minor mutual adjustments - and allow the Palestinians to live in peace in their own state as they are entitled to do under international law - which the U.S has been blocking for the past 40 years.
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