Newt Gingrich: "Palestinians are an invented people"
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What a deluded, racist cretin this man is. Just another typical lying scumbag Republican.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... t-gingrich
Palestinians are an invented people, says Newt Gingrich
Republican frontrunner says Israelis have a right to their modern-day homeland but implies Palestinians do not
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 10 December 2011
The US Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich has declared that the Palestinians are an "invented" people who want to destroy Israel.
The Jewish Channel, a cable TV station, posted online its interview with the former US House speaker, who has risen to the top of Republican nomination candidates to challenge Democratic President Barack Obama in the November 2012 election.
Gingrich differed from official US policy that respects the Palestinians as a people deserving of their own state based on negotiations with Israel. "Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire" until the early 20th century, Gingrich said.
"I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he said.
Most historians mark the start of Palestinian Arab nationalist sentiment as 1834, when Arab residents of the Palestinian region revolted against Ottoman rule.
Modern-day Israel, founded amid the 1948 Arab-Israel war, took shape along the lines of a 1947 UN plan for ethnic partition of the then-British ruled territory of Palestine. Arabs rejected the division.
Gingrich and other Republican candidates are seeking to attract Jewish support by vowing to bolster US ties with Israel if elected.
Gingrich said the Hamas militant group, which controls the Gaza Strip, and the the governing Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank, represented "an enormous desire to destroy Israel".
The US government has sought to encourage the Palestinian Authority to negotiate with Israel but regards Hamas as a terrorist group.
The Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, opposes violence against Israel as a means to secure an independent state, pinning his hopes first on negotiations and more recently on a unilateral bid for statehood via the United Nations.
Gingrich said he would be willing to consider granting clemency to Jonathan Jay Pollard, who has been serving life since 1987 for passing US secrets to Israel. Successive US presidents have refused Israel's requests to free him.
"If we can get to a point where I'm satisfied that there's no national security threat, and if he's in fact served within the range of people who've had a similar problem, then I'd be inclined to consider clemency," Gingrich said.
Gingrich sharply criticised the Obama administration's approach to Middle East diplomacy, saying it was "so out of touch with reality that it would be like taking your child to the zoo and explaining that a lion was a bunny rabbit".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... t-gingrich
Palestinians are an invented people, says Newt Gingrich
Republican frontrunner says Israelis have a right to their modern-day homeland but implies Palestinians do not
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 10 December 2011
The US Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich has declared that the Palestinians are an "invented" people who want to destroy Israel.
The Jewish Channel, a cable TV station, posted online its interview with the former US House speaker, who has risen to the top of Republican nomination candidates to challenge Democratic President Barack Obama in the November 2012 election.
Gingrich differed from official US policy that respects the Palestinians as a people deserving of their own state based on negotiations with Israel. "Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire" until the early 20th century, Gingrich said.
"I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he said.
Most historians mark the start of Palestinian Arab nationalist sentiment as 1834, when Arab residents of the Palestinian region revolted against Ottoman rule.
Modern-day Israel, founded amid the 1948 Arab-Israel war, took shape along the lines of a 1947 UN plan for ethnic partition of the then-British ruled territory of Palestine. Arabs rejected the division.
Gingrich and other Republican candidates are seeking to attract Jewish support by vowing to bolster US ties with Israel if elected.
Gingrich said the Hamas militant group, which controls the Gaza Strip, and the the governing Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank, represented "an enormous desire to destroy Israel".
The US government has sought to encourage the Palestinian Authority to negotiate with Israel but regards Hamas as a terrorist group.
The Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, opposes violence against Israel as a means to secure an independent state, pinning his hopes first on negotiations and more recently on a unilateral bid for statehood via the United Nations.
Gingrich said he would be willing to consider granting clemency to Jonathan Jay Pollard, who has been serving life since 1987 for passing US secrets to Israel. Successive US presidents have refused Israel's requests to free him.
"If we can get to a point where I'm satisfied that there's no national security threat, and if he's in fact served within the range of people who've had a similar problem, then I'd be inclined to consider clemency," Gingrich said.
Gingrich sharply criticised the Obama administration's approach to Middle East diplomacy, saying it was "so out of touch with reality that it would be like taking your child to the zoo and explaining that a lion was a bunny rabbit".
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It is tragic, the sustained war against Israel...
This just shows your ignorance.
They are an Arab-speaking people. Not technically Arabs.
But then as far as ignorant Western racists are concerned all Arabic speaking people in the Middle East are Arabs. It's as absurd and deluded as someone saying that all English speaking people are English.
Nah. Not the same. What Newt said (what I reiterated) is true. Look it up. Try somethingnother than the guardian...
Woot for newt and peace for Israel and it's people.
Most Palestinians don't regard themselves as Arabs. Just as Egyptians don't regard themselves as Arabs. The term 'Arab' is mostly applied by lazy Westerners to describe everyone of Middle Eastern origin, but it's innaccurate. Though I can understand why you would support everything Newt Gingrich says, because he happens to be a Republican.
If the Republicans did an about turn and decided to throw their support behind the Palestinians then you'd jump on that bandwagon too and use every bullshit reason and excuse to denigrate the Israeli's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people
'Genetic analysis and historical accounts suggest the Muslims of Palestine are largely descendents of Christians and Jews of the southern Levant, and descendents of a core population that lived there in prehistoric times.'
I really don't care.
You'll attack whatever source I use because that's all you can do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
I'm just saying, maybe you could read up on some of your topics from other sources...
The paper identifies with centre-left liberalism and its readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion."
But I digress. This is about newt. I think Israel deserves peace as do all who can respect each others right to exist.
"I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he said.
"I think that we've had an invented American people who are in fact Europeans and who were historically part of the European community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against the Native Americans now since the 1490's, and it's tragic," he said.
Carry on.
The Guardian is one of the most respected news sources in the World.
Anyway, did Newt Gingrich say the following or didn't he?
"I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he said.
The fact that I quoted the Guardian article is irrelevant. I'm sure I could have found a reference to this in one of a number of publications. But that's not the point. It's just a distraction.
Ron Paul needs to win this fucking election.
Though there's a difference between ceasing to bankroll and give unconditional support to one side, and not giving a fuck. There is a third way.
Perhaps you'll immigrate and defend the Israeli homeland with your life? I mean since you feel so strongly about it? And sustained? You mean since remembering the USS Liberty? Or Jonathan Pollard? Tragic? What is so tragic?
Facts please. If you got 'em.
Peace.
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
Yeah, but everybody knows that and it's true. By using this to back yourself up you just agreed with Newt.
No I didn't. Newt Gingrich is suggesting that the Palestinians have no right to a state. By my analogy with America I was merely pointing out that using his logic there are many nations that could be denied statehood. Notwithstanding the fact that 99% of the International community support Palestinian statehood.
Only if you inhabit a topsy-turvy Alice in Wonderland reality.
For those of us looking at the World the right way up, this is what your so-called war against Israel looks like:
fucking remove names and its fucking OPPRESSION
you would think jews know a bit about how that feels
BUT THEY DISH IT OUT QUITE HAPPILY
I think you should probably be a bit more careful with your terminology. I assume (hope) you mean "the state of Israel", as a political entity, and not "the jews" as a ethno-religious group. Don't equate the two.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Or they could simply stop stealing land that doesn't belong to them and return to the 1967 borders - with minor mutual adjustments - and allow the Palestinians to live in peace in their own state as they are entitled to do under international law - which the U.S has been blocking for the past 40 years.
you are wasting time posting articles...
he used to post "tldr" to me....meaning "too long, didn't read"...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
if america elects this man it is indeed the death knell for this country.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The problem is, when a white politician says something "derogatory" (regardless of whether or not it's true) about people who aren't white, they're insensitive pieces of shit.
When a powerful minority disses white people, it's cool, though. Barack Obama mandating various institutions to "diversify" (read: hire anyone who isn't white) is seen as a good thing by the very same people who decry racism when it's white-on-non-white.
My point is, consistency is key. Newt is a coward because, if he was concerned with the truth, he'd be open about both modern Palestinians and Israelis being "invented peoples."
On the flip side, I don't remember reading any negative threads on AMT in the summertime when Obama more or less demanded that no government agencies hire whites.
Well, the poor, oppressed Israelis will never allow that to happen. Just remember, they're always the victims.
That's every culture. Oppress them all you want, but, if their children are not oppressed, they'll see no problem in oppressing others.
Yes of course but good luck convincing folks that live in a country they believe to be the promised land to simply leave.
http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-fuels-mo ... 12009.html
RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Palestinian leaders said on Saturday U.S. Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich had invited more conflict in the Middle East by calling the Palestinians an "invented" people who want to destroy Israel.
Saeb Erekat, a senior Palestinian official, described his comments in an interview as "despicable." Hanan Ashrawi, another top official, said Gingrich's "very racist comments" showed he was "incapable of holding public office."
"This is the lowest point of thinking anyone can reach," Erekat, a close advisor to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, told Reuters. Such comments served only to "increase the cycle of violence," he added.
"What is the cause of violence, war in this region? Denial, denying people their religion, their existence, and now he is denying our existence," said Erekat, for years a leading figure in peace talks aimed at the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.
In an interview on Friday with the Jewish Channel, Gingrich predictably sided with Israel in its conflict with the Palestinians, who are seeking a state of their own on land occupied by Israel in a 1967 war.
But the former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives departed from official U.S. policy that respects the Palestinians as a people deserving of their own state based on negotiations with Israel.
"Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire" until the early 20th century, said Gingrich, who has risen to the top of Republican polls with voting to start early next year to pick a nominee to challenge Democratic President Barack Obama in the November 2012 election.
NO "CONTRIBUTION TO PEACE"
"I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs, and who were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it's tragic," he said.
There are around 11 million Palestinians around the world, Palestinian officials say. They include refugees and their descendants who left or were forced to flee their homes during the 1948 war that led to the creation of Israel. More than 4 million of them live in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
The 1948 war erupted after Arab states rejected a U.N. plan that would have divided British mandate-ruled Palestine into Arab and Jewish states.
Gingrich along with other Republican candidates are seeking to attract Jewish support by vowing to bolster U.S. ties with Israel if elected.
He said both the Hamas militant group, which controls the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Authority, which receives financial backing from the United States, represent "an enormous desire to destroy Israel."
While Hamas remains committed to armed "resistance" and will not recognize Israel, the Palestinian Authority based in Ramallah states that only peaceful means can deliver Palestinian statehood and its security forces cooperate with Israel.
Ashrawi, a member of the Palestine Liberation Organisation Executive Committee, said Gingrich's remarks harked back to days when the Palestinians' existence as a people was denied by Israelis such as Golda Meir, prime minister from 1969 to 1974.
"It is certainly regressive," she said. "This is certainly an invitation to further conflict rather than any contribution to peace."
"This proves that in the hysterical atmosphere of American elections, people lose all touch with reality and make not just irresponsible and dangerous statements, but also very racist comments that betray not just their own ignorance but an unforgivable bias," she said.
Fawzi Barhoum, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza, said the Gingrich remarks "were grave comments that represented an incitement for ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But Gingrich said he was simply doing what Ronald Reagan used to do, which was to tell the truth no matter how unpleasant. "I'm a Reaganite," he said.
THIS ^^^^^
leave little unspoken and sugar coat nothing. If I had a daughter instead of two sons, she would have been
Look it up----
Americans are most likely to say Ronald Reagan was the nation's greatest president -- slightly ahead of Abraham Lincoln and Bill Clinton. Reagan, Lincoln, or John F. Kennedy has been at the top of this "greatest president" list each time this question has been asked in eight surveys over the last 12 years.
Now for some math. It's simple so everyone should be able to follow along....
Greatest country in the history of mankind (other than Scandanavia) + greatest President of all time= Reagan was the fucking man!
I almost think that goes beyond a hypothesis or theory...I will stamp it now to avoid confusion... FACT!
Woot for the Reaganites!
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/ ... 83540.html