a post by idris about communication hit the spot.
im saddened that in our modern society with free communication via the power of the net that we still allow our leaders to fool vast parts of our society about other peoples and their religons/ beleifs.
Ive been on this board and been involved in discussions with Israelites and muslims and or supporters of. Ive learnt more about the issues there on this board than in the media.
INFORMATION IS POWER
lets share it
i agree. i think that the problem is that some of the issues we discuss are very nuanced and there are no quick articles on these issues. i can speak for the majority of americans, we have a short attention span. if they can not get the entire story on one side of one page of a newspaper, then they will not read it. if they can not get the whole story on a 90 second video clip on a news website they will not watch it. if they have to do research, they won't do it. you can give them all the links they need and they will not read them. hell, we can't even get people to read the links we post here on the train, yet they jump into a thread without reading the material that had been provided you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. you can lead a person to information, but you can't make them consume it...
some of the stuff we talk about is human tragedy and is very sad or very anger inspiring. many people do not want to feel those feelings so they tune out the issues and they do not search for the information themselves. if they don't search for it, and the media does not tell them, then they will never ever learn anything about the issues. then we get what we seem to have already, an uninformed electorate.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
shitstirer of the board
haha love it. wear it like a badge of pride mate. you stir the pot and get it moving. nothing wrong with that.
your certainly not a troll
keep it up
thanks.
sometimes i feel like one lol...
someone has to keep the place from getting all stagnant and boring...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Well, part of the problem is that a lot of the more articulate posters from both sides of the spectrum have either been banned, let their membership lapse, or stopped posting over the last couple years....all while complaining that there is no quality debate. That would include you, Commy......good to see you posting.
hey man. thanks.
sometimes you make enemies. and sometimes they aren't worth the fight.
in australia i've heard they give 12 months leave to pregnant mothers. here its 2 weeks.
Where is "here"?
here is the US. may not be 2 weeks but it sure as hell isn't 12 months.
We get a whopping 12 weeks unpaid leave. I remember that there was actually strong resistance to this when it was passed in 1993, too. The other countries that only have unpaid leave: Liberia, Papua New Guinea, and Swaziland. Not to knock on those three, but please, that's embarrassing.
i agree. i think that the problem is that some of the issues we discuss are very nuanced and there are no quick articles on these issues. i can speak for the majority of americans, we have a short attention span. if they can not get the entire story on one side of one page of a newspaper, then they will not read it. if they can not get the whole story on a 90 second video clip on a news website they will not watch it. if they have to do research, they won't do it. you can give them all the links they need and they will not read them. hell, we can't even get people to read the links we post here on the train, yet they jump into a thread without reading the material that had been provided you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. you can lead a person to information, but you can't make them consume it...
some of the stuff we talk about is human tragedy and is very sad or very anger inspiring. many people do not want to feel those feelings so they tune out the issues and they do not search for the information themselves. if they don't search for it, and the media does not tell them, then they will never ever learn anything about the issues. then we get what we seem to have already, an uninformed electorate.
heres what id do
I dont tend to read article first ( at least competely) I google the author to see his his views
far right or far left i tend to then ignore the argument due to the fact that FACT is generally not a strong point for either far left or right. a fair bit of ignorance is involved. I will read other articles from the authors.
the subject gets googled as well to see other viewpoints on a subject.
i learnt that from my brother and it works well
the net is powerful to those who use it well
Back when commy was a regular, this place was a lot different. A different level, because the regulars then could debate some issue and I'd read through it and would hardly understand any of it. It felt like a different level of intelligence, back then. No offense to the regulars of now, but it's just changed since a lot of members then didn't have to be paying 10c members, so they didn't jump the boat with the new boards.
well i think that being snotty because your an intelectual is mostly slack. Im certainly not. but I have seen a lot in my 43 years and have an opinion. and i want to broaden my understannding of the world and the peolpe in it.
I didn't say anything about being snotty, and was not meant to imply at all. :?
people just fuck off for no reason. that is what happens in life. you know people for awhile and then you never see or hear from them again. what did tyler durden call them? "single serve friends" or something to that effect?? like back in college. lots of really cool people that i used to roll with on occasion all lost touch. we had our finite number of crazy times together and then before we knew it it was over and we all moved on to another phase of life...the same can be said for here on the board. life happens and sometimes stuff is more important than getting into a political pissing match on the moving train. if i had a wife or kids i would not be here very often. if i did not have internet access at work i would not be here. if i were still dedicated to mma fighting i would not be here. so there are all kinds of reasons for people being here or not being around anymore.
i have learned a lot here over the years. i have taught some people some things as well. i have met some really quality people on here and have established some real and very important friendships, and then i have also met some people that are the opposite of quality. same as in every population of every subgroup everywhere. i met a lot of us here at pj20, and those meetings were great. i settled some issues i had with some people actually in person over a beer, or a jager....but meeting those people from here helped make pj20 the time of my life. one guy i met said that i am "the shitstirrer of the moving train..." i did not know how to take that. initially i felt bad about it, and it really bothered me that that was all i am to that guy. an avatar that types words and posts links, and that is it. but then i thought more about it and i figured to myself that "someone somewhere has to stir this pot", so i took it as some sort of a backwards compliment...
sometimes i wonder why i am still on here. i think part of it is that the world is so fucked up that sometimes i have to come here and vent a little to people who for the most part are like minded. sometimes i feel so powerless to change things. i see the world how i want it to be, and i get so fucking angry and even down that i feel helpless that i can't reform the world to be just like the one i see in my head. i feel like there is nothing that any of us can do to change or improve things sometimes. then again, sometimes i feel very empowered and very emboldened. i think it helps me to come here and just get it all out of me. i can do that physically at the gym, but i think the intellectual in me needs to sit here, get my thoughts together, and just type it out and hope that people read it and if they do i read it i hope that they understand where i am coming from.
there is some good debate here still at times. i don't get along with everyone here, and most of that is just political differences and nothing personal. and people don't get along with me sometimes, but that is what happens when you talk about religion and politics in mixed company...the bottom line is, and the thing we have to remember is that all of us care. we all see that there are problems in this country and in this world, and we all come here to discuss them and learn from each other. i've been around a long time. i think i signed up on the yield tour and began posting here and there at that time. i have taken extended breaks many times for several different reasons. some breaks longer than others, and sometimes they were planned or unplanned. on the really old board i had another 2000 or so posts, so i have been at it on here for a long time. people come and go all the time.
the board in it's current form still has some good debate. but sometimes it seems like the personal attacks and baiting are worse than i have ever seen it. i am just as guilty of that sometimes as other people...but we are better than that. i think we lost a lot of good people here when the board became pay to post. there was much more diversity before that happened. but the board is what it is now and it is a function of what we, the posters choose it to be and what we choose to make it.... i knew a lot of those people idris listed and a lot of them are not coming back. i miss quite a few of them and their contributions too, but they are not here for whatever reason. there is no point in dwelling on the past. we can remember how the board once was, and even miss that at times, but we have politics and policy to debate here now. nobody ever changed anything by looking in the rearview mirror.
in australia i've heard they give 12 months leave to pregnant mothers. here its 2 weeks.
Where is "here"?
here is the US. may not be 2 weeks but it sure as hell isn't 12 months.
I just wanted to know before I answered.
The US certainly lags behind. But it is actually 12 weeks on FMLA in the US. Which is a lot of time, but not always enough. There are many evil corporations that allow much longer times as well...up to 1 year. Damn evil bastards!!
The US certainly lags behind. But it is actually 12 weeks on FMLA in the US. Which is a lot of time, but not always enough. There are many evil corporations that allow much longer times as well...up to 1 year. Damn evil bastards!!
a lot of time by whose definition though? a 12+ week old baby still needs its mother. is that 12 weeks on full pay? and can it be taken as maybe 24 weeks half pay?
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
The US certainly lags behind. But it is actually 12 weeks on FMLA in the US. Which is a lot of time, but not always enough. There are many evil corporations that allow much longer times as well...up to 1 year. Damn evil bastards!!
a lot of time by whose definition though? a 12+ week old baby still needs its mother. is that 12 weeks on full pay? and can it be taken as maybe 24 weeks half pay?
6 weeks paid mandated, 6 weeks unpaid with "Family Leave" (FMLA). So 12 weeks total at home. That's the standard, and many women can't afford to not get paid for 6 weeks so they go back to work after only 6 weeks at home. But every situation is different, it depends on the work place and how much vacation time has been accrued. What I described is typical for the US though.
The US certainly lags behind. But it is actually 12 weeks on FMLA in the US. Which is a lot of time, but not always enough. There are many evil corporations that allow much longer times as well...up to 1 year. Damn evil bastards!!
a lot of time by whose definition though? a 12+ week old baby still needs its mother. is that 12 weeks on full pay? and can it be taken as maybe 24 weeks half pay?
6 weeks paid mandated, 6 weeks unpaid with "Family Leave" (FMLA). So 12 weeks total at home. That's the standard, and many women can't afford to not get paid for 6 weeks so they go back to work after only 6 weeks at home. But every situation is different, it depends on the work place and how much vacation time has been accrued. What I described is typical for the US though.
i cant even fathom having to leave my 6 week old baby to go back to work. somehting is wrong with our society when this is the way it needs to be for many mothers.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
a lot of time by whose definition though? a 12+ week old baby still needs its mother. is that 12 weeks on full pay? and can it be taken as maybe 24 weeks half pay?
6 weeks paid mandated, 6 weeks unpaid with "Family Leave" (FMLA). So 12 weeks total at home. That's the standard, and many women can't afford to not get paid for 6 weeks so they go back to work after only 6 weeks at home. But every situation is different, it depends on the work place and how much vacation time has been accrued. What I described is typical for the US though.
i cant even fathom having to leave my 6 week old baby to go back to work. somehting is wrong with our society when this is the way it needs to be for many mothers.
Well, since the U.S. prioritizes capitalism and corporatism over basic human needs... people do what they have to. I quit my job when I had my daughter and found another job 9 months later and lived on my 401k earnings. Not the smartest thing to do financially, but that's the amount of time we needed.
Well, since the U.S. prioritizes capitalism and corporatism over basic human needs... people do what they have to. I quit my job when I had my daughter and found another job 9 months later and lived on my 401k earnings. Not the smartest thing to do financially, but that's the amount of time we needed.
and everyone is different and every pregnancy/childbirth is different. you did what you had to do Jean. sometimes you have to pay those damn 401k early withdrawl fees to insure that you get enough time with your newborn child....it is sad, our system...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Well, since the U.S. prioritizes capitalism and corporatism over basic human needs... people do what they have to. I quit my job when I had my daughter and found another job 9 months later and lived on my 401k earnings. Not the smartest thing to do financially, but that's the amount of time we needed.
australias first national paid parental Leave scheme started on january 1st this year. it provides eligible working parents with 18 weeks of parental leave pay at the national minimum wage, currently $589.40 a week before tax. it is fully funded by the australian government
oh and we have this in the works too:
Dad and Partner Pay will be a dedicated payment for fathers and other partners under the Australian Government’s national Paid Parental Leave scheme. Subject to the passage of legislation, the payment will be available to eligible fathers and other partners sharing care of a child born or adopted from 1 January 2013.
Under the new policy, eligible working dads and other partners will have access to two weeks pay at the national minimum wage, currently about $590 a week before tax. Dad and Partner Pay will help fathers and partners to take time off work to support the other parent and be involved in the care of their new child right from the start.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i cant even fathom having to leave my 6 week old baby to go back to work. somehting is wrong with our society when this is the way it needs to be for many mothers.
its not your society tho. australia gives you plenty of time off. the US is fucked, sure, but last i checked you were australian.
i cant even fathom having to leave my 6 week old baby to go back to work. somehting is wrong with our society when this is the way it needs to be for many mothers.
its not your society tho. australia gives you plenty of time off. the US is fucked, sure, but last i checked you were australian.
our capitalist society commy. it transcends borders... surely you understand that.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
here is something I don't get and I have seen change over time. At points these forums were a great on topic source of stuff that was actually taking place, now big issues go untouched here for weeks. Not sure why that is just an observation from a long time troll (occassional poster).
"The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
— Socrates
Well, since the U.S. prioritizes capitalism and corporatism over basic human needs... people do what they have to. I quit my job when I had my daughter and found another job 9 months later and lived on my 401k earnings. Not the smartest thing to do financially, but that's the amount of time we needed.
australias first national paid parental Leave scheme started on january 1st this year. it provides eligible working parents with 18 weeks of parental leave pay at the national minimum wage, currently $589.40 a week before tax. it is fully funded by the australian government
oh and we have this in the works too:
Dad and Partner Pay will be a dedicated payment for fathers and other partners under the Australian Government’s national Paid Parental Leave scheme. Subject to the passage of legislation, the payment will be available to eligible fathers and other partners sharing care of a child born or adopted from 1 January 2013.
Under the new policy, eligible working dads and other partners will have access to two weeks pay at the national minimum wage, currently about $590 a week before tax. Dad and Partner Pay will help fathers and partners to take time off work to support the other parent and be involved in the care of their new child right from the start.
The US certainly lags behind. But it is actually 12 weeks on FMLA in the US. Which is a lot of time, but not always enough. There are many evil corporations that allow much longer times as well...up to 1 year. Damn evil bastards!!
a lot of time by whose definition though? a 12+ week old baby still needs its mother. is that 12 weeks on full pay? and can it be taken as maybe 24 weeks half pay?
6 weeks paid mandated, 6 weeks unpaid with "Family Leave" (FMLA). So 12 weeks total at home. That's the standard, and many women can't afford to not get paid for 6 weeks so they go back to work after only 6 weeks at home. But every situation is different, it depends on the work place and how much vacation time has been accrued. What I described is typical for the US though.
I think the federal is 12 weeks unpaid. A couple states have some paid leave. The beloved Newt voted against it.
Well, since the U.S. prioritizes capitalism and corporatism over basic human needs... people do what they have to. I quit my job when I had my daughter and found another job 9 months later and lived on my 401k earnings. Not the smartest thing to do financially, but that's the amount of time we needed.
australias first national paid parental Leave scheme started on january 1st this year. it provides eligible working parents with 18 weeks of parental leave pay at the national minimum wage, currently $589.40 a week before tax. it is fully funded by the australian government
oh and we have this in the works too:
Dad and Partner Pay will be a dedicated payment for fathers and other partners under the Australian Government’s national Paid Parental Leave scheme. Subject to the passage of legislation, the payment will be available to eligible fathers and other partners sharing care of a child born or adopted from 1 January 2013.
Under the new policy, eligible working dads and other partners will have access to two weeks pay at the national minimum wage, currently about $590 a week before tax. Dad and Partner Pay will help fathers and partners to take time off work to support the other parent and be involved in the care of their new child right from the start.
So, who pays for this?
as was stated, it is fully funded by the australian government.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Back when commy was a regular, this place was a lot different. A different level, because the regulars then could debate some issue and I'd read through it and would hardly understand any of it. It felt like a different level of intelligence, back then. No offense to the regulars of now, but it's just changed since a lot of members then didn't have to be paying 10c members, so they didn't jump the boat with the new boards.
well i think that being snotty because your an intelectual is mostly slack. Im certainly not. but I have seen a lot in my 43 years and have an opinion. and i want to broaden my understannding of the world and the peolpe in it.
I didn't say anything about being snotty, and was not meant to imply at all. :?
would never say your snooty at all
more those you refer to. those that dont post because they think the quality of others debating standards are below them
Comments
some of the stuff we talk about is human tragedy and is very sad or very anger inspiring. many people do not want to feel those feelings so they tune out the issues and they do not search for the information themselves. if they don't search for it, and the media does not tell them, then they will never ever learn anything about the issues. then we get what we seem to have already, an uninformed electorate.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
sometimes i feel like one lol...
someone has to keep the place from getting all stagnant and boring...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
usually there's a reason.
sometimes you make enemies. and sometimes they aren't worth the fight.
We get a whopping 12 weeks unpaid leave. I remember that there was actually strong resistance to this when it was passed in 1993, too. The other countries that only have unpaid leave: Liberia, Papua New Guinea, and Swaziland. Not to knock on those three, but please, that's embarrassing.
heres what id do
I dont tend to read article first ( at least competely) I google the author to see his his views
far right or far left i tend to then ignore the argument due to the fact that FACT is generally not a strong point for either far left or right. a fair bit of ignorance is involved. I will read other articles from the authors.
the subject gets googled as well to see other viewpoints on a subject.
i learnt that from my brother and it works well
the net is powerful to those who use it well
I didn't say anything about being snotty, and was not meant to imply at all. :?
Fantastic post!
I just wanted to know before I answered.
The US certainly lags behind. But it is actually 12 weeks on FMLA in the US. Which is a lot of time, but not always enough. There are many evil corporations that allow much longer times as well...up to 1 year. Damn evil bastards!!
a lot of time by whose definition though? a 12+ week old baby still needs its mother. is that 12 weeks on full pay? and can it be taken as maybe 24 weeks half pay?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
6 weeks paid mandated, 6 weeks unpaid with "Family Leave" (FMLA). So 12 weeks total at home. That's the standard, and many women can't afford to not get paid for 6 weeks so they go back to work after only 6 weeks at home. But every situation is different, it depends on the work place and how much vacation time has been accrued. What I described is typical for the US though.
i cant even fathom having to leave my 6 week old baby to go back to work. somehting is wrong with our society when this is the way it needs to be for many mothers.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Well, since the U.S. prioritizes capitalism and corporatism over basic human needs... people do what they have to. I quit my job when I had my daughter and found another job 9 months later and lived on my 401k earnings. Not the smartest thing to do financially, but that's the amount of time we needed.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
australias first national paid parental Leave scheme started on january 1st this year. it provides eligible working parents with 18 weeks of parental leave pay at the national minimum wage, currently $589.40 a week before tax. it is fully funded by the australian government
oh and we have this in the works too:
Dad and Partner Pay will be a dedicated payment for fathers and other partners under the Australian Government’s national Paid Parental Leave scheme. Subject to the passage of legislation, the payment will be available to eligible fathers and other partners sharing care of a child born or adopted from 1 January 2013.
Under the new policy, eligible working dads and other partners will have access to two weeks pay at the national minimum wage, currently about $590 a week before tax. Dad and Partner Pay will help fathers and partners to take time off work to support the other parent and be involved in the care of their new child right from the start.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
our capitalist society commy. it transcends borders... surely you understand that.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
— Socrates
So, who pays for this?
I think the federal is 12 weeks unpaid. A couple states have some paid leave. The beloved Newt voted against it.
as was stated, it is fully funded by the australian government.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
would never say your snooty at all
more those you refer to. those that dont post because they think the quality of others debating standards are below them