Where's the debate?
Commy
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this forum has gone to shit the past few years. where is the outrage? where is the debate?
here's some chuck ragan for you to ponder....
Where are the ones that carry the guns to the far away lands with the blackened suns from the smokened narrow minds. The half-truth trails and the holy lies of an empty heart and overflowing mouth, a plastic smile and a cowards frown. Reprecussions come around when the word named free burns to the ground somehow.
Where are the deaf and where are the dumb from the side of the tracks where no reason comes from and the tables never bare. The water runs and momma's always there so separates the world from the with such words and such words would cause a shot heard round the world. A justice that never hurt at all.
So down down down like a ball of flames, to the rotten core filling up with names of hypocrites what a massive list, don't exclude yourself from it. Don't compromise administration lies carried out and covered up with time, carried out and turned around to shine. High on a pedestal of broken lies.
The passion speaks loud for itself falls on broken ears and off the value shelf into the dirt left to the wind. Coming up strong ready to begin to obliterate the word from the start with such ideas come and such ideas cause a spark that will set a blaze and leave the embers red until the end of days.
So down down down like a ball of flames, to the rotten core filling up with names of hypocrites what a massive list, don't exclude yourself from it. Don't compromise administration lies carried out and covered up with time, carried out and turned around to shine. High on a pedestal of broken lies.
Where are the ones that carry the guns to the far away lands with the blackened suns from the smokened narrow minds. The half-truth trails and the holy lies of an empty heart and overflowing mouth, a plastic smile and a cowards frown. Reprecussions come around when the word named free burns to the ground somehow
here's some chuck ragan for you to ponder....
Where are the ones that carry the guns to the far away lands with the blackened suns from the smokened narrow minds. The half-truth trails and the holy lies of an empty heart and overflowing mouth, a plastic smile and a cowards frown. Reprecussions come around when the word named free burns to the ground somehow.
Where are the deaf and where are the dumb from the side of the tracks where no reason comes from and the tables never bare. The water runs and momma's always there so separates the world from the with such words and such words would cause a shot heard round the world. A justice that never hurt at all.
So down down down like a ball of flames, to the rotten core filling up with names of hypocrites what a massive list, don't exclude yourself from it. Don't compromise administration lies carried out and covered up with time, carried out and turned around to shine. High on a pedestal of broken lies.
The passion speaks loud for itself falls on broken ears and off the value shelf into the dirt left to the wind. Coming up strong ready to begin to obliterate the word from the start with such ideas come and such ideas cause a spark that will set a blaze and leave the embers red until the end of days.
So down down down like a ball of flames, to the rotten core filling up with names of hypocrites what a massive list, don't exclude yourself from it. Don't compromise administration lies carried out and covered up with time, carried out and turned around to shine. High on a pedestal of broken lies.
Where are the ones that carry the guns to the far away lands with the blackened suns from the smokened narrow minds. The half-truth trails and the holy lies of an empty heart and overflowing mouth, a plastic smile and a cowards frown. Reprecussions come around when the word named free burns to the ground somehow
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see it swimming?
never heard of him
if your after debate please post a topic
topic posted. go.
The medical system, however, works very well for the people who matter in a system where health care is effectively rationed by wealth, and enormous profits flow to private power for highly inefficient management. The underlying population can be treated with lectures on responsibility.
The US Congress has recently enacted bankruptcy reform that tightens the stranglehold on the underlying population. About half of US bankruptcies result from medical bills.
Social Security is based on an extremely dangerous principle: that you should care whether the disabled widow across town has food to eat. The Social Security "reformers" would rather have you concentrate on maximising your own consumption of goods and subordinating yourself to power. That’s life. Caring for other people, and taking community responsibility for things like health and retirement — that’s just deeply subversive.
the old, the young, the invalid all require a hand to live in our society, and we who can afford should help by paying our taxes and through donation if willing.
the unemployed on the other hand is a problem.
yes there are many who cannot get work presently because of economic situation. we must support them in their quest to find work, educate themselves to become more enployable.
but the sytem also encourages bludgers, people who have no intention to find work. who are happy to sit on their fat arses and do nothing. they should be forced off any social security.
cannot comment too much on the american health system. I live in australia. I have a sick child ( 8 yrs) and the sytem supports us greatly and im very humbled to receave that. it has it flaws but is good.
our basic idea in australia is that all are entitled to health care, but if you are working you should pay private health insurence. this of course is better than the public sytem. but if your paying more why shouldnt you expect more
hope that meets your debating requirements
Agreed, its not even just a view its straight belief, if you believe one side of an issue you stand on that side of that arguement irrationally beyond all common sense and say the most absurd things in defense of bullshit.
If we can't all be a little more open minded then we can not have debate, we just have talking past each other.
— Socrates
I thought it would be a good reminder in this thread in case others
hadn't had a chance to read it yet.
I have been reading and studying it , its not easy to follow all when things get heated
but everyone can try to make AMT a better place for everyone.
Debate is not personal attacks.
Debate Advice and Suggestions
Advice on Debating with Others
Avoid the use of Never.
Avoid the use of Always.
Refrain from saying you are wrong.
You can say your idea is mistaken.
Don't disagree with obvious truths.
Attack the idea not the person.
Use many rather than most.
Avoid exaggeration.
Use some rather than many.
The use of often allows for exceptions.
The use of generally allows for exceptions.
Quote sources and numbers.
If it is just an opinion, admit it.
Do not present opinion as facts.
Smile when disagreeing.
Stress the positive.
You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
Concede minor or trivial points.
Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
Watch your tone of voice.
Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
Keep your perspective - You're just debating.
You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone in English, even someone you know quite well.
With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly
Where is "here"?
I don't know the history of Commy and his posts, but from what I've seen so far he only gets 2 out of 5 stars.
I feel weird talkin about him in his thread
Hope everything's cool with ya commy.
you dont have to be a paying member to post. though i think maybe its if you were one when the board switched, but let your membership lapse, then your posting abilities were still activated.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Commy, el_kabong, ABooks, Cincy, Drifting, Triumphant, reborn, Polaris, Cosmo, Byrnzie, OutOfBreath, Eliot, Blanche, SundaySilence, Hoon, gimme, evenflow? and many other posters that I've left out, I remember they made this forum very special back then. Not this forum, rather the older boards, the board I think switched maybe 4 or 5 times since the late 90's.
The pit in 2002-2006-7? Good times, The debate was just about always lively and often intelligent (enough), and people tended to be more upfront about how they felt....But Sadly I reckon that the Boards were monitored by 'Big Brother' cough cough. (perhaps for another thread :P )
Anyway, all the posters who made the boards so good, way back when. I hope that wherever they are, they are in good health doing well
The world is a mess, and communication is a great way to start fixing things.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
i have learned a lot here over the years. i have taught some people some things as well. i have met some really quality people on here and have established some real and very important friendships, and then i have also met some people that are the opposite of quality. same as in every population of every subgroup everywhere. i met a lot of us here at pj20, and those meetings were great. i settled some issues i had with some people actually in person over a beer, or a jager....but meeting those people from here helped make pj20 the time of my life. one guy i met said that i am "the shitstirrer of the moving train..." i did not know how to take that. initially i felt bad about it, and it really bothered me that that was all i am to that guy. an avatar that types words and posts links, and that is it. but then i thought more about it and i figured to myself that "someone somewhere has to stir this pot", so i took it as some sort of a backwards compliment...
sometimes i wonder why i am still on here. i think part of it is that the world is so fucked up that sometimes i have to come here and vent a little to people who for the most part are like minded. sometimes i feel so powerless to change things. i see the world how i want it to be, and i get so fucking angry and even down that i feel helpless that i can't reform the world to be just like the one i see in my head. i feel like there is nothing that any of us can do to change or improve things sometimes. then again, sometimes i feel very empowered and very emboldened. i think it helps me to come here and just get it all out of me. i can do that physically at the gym, but i think the intellectual in me needs to sit here, get my thoughts together, and just type it out and hope that people read it and if they do i read it i hope that they understand where i am coming from.
there is some good debate here still at times. i don't get along with everyone here, and most of that is just political differences and nothing personal. and people don't get along with me sometimes, but that is what happens when you talk about religion and politics in mixed company...the bottom line is, and the thing we have to remember is that all of us care. we all see that there are problems in this country and in this world, and we all come here to discuss them and learn from each other. i've been around a long time. i think i signed up on the yield tour and began posting here and there at that time. i have taken extended breaks many times for several different reasons. some breaks longer than others, and sometimes they were planned or unplanned. on the really old board i had another 2000 or so posts, so i have been at it on here for a long time. people come and go all the time.
the board in it's current form still has some good debate. but sometimes it seems like the personal attacks and baiting are worse than i have ever seen it. i am just as guilty of that sometimes as other people...but we are better than that. i think we lost a lot of good people here when the board became pay to post. there was much more diversity before that happened. but the board is what it is now and it is a function of what we, the posters choose it to be and what we choose to make it.... i knew a lot of those people idris listed and a lot of them are not coming back. i miss quite a few of them and their contributions too, but they are not here for whatever reason. there is no point in dwelling on the past. we can remember how the board once was, and even miss that at times, but we have politics and policy to debate here now. nobody ever changed anything by looking in the rearview mirror.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I just want to add a couple of quick notes here.Firstly, even though I've been a PJ fan for quite a while I arrived on the scene here fairly late on. I'm a long-time poster on another fan forum and I know it's kind of awkward when a new upstart shows up on the block although it's also nice to see some new blood. In any case, I have not been made to feel like an outsider or intruder here in this (nearly now) one year here. Thanks all of you here for that.
Secondly, even though it appears- from what some of you have said- that AMT has changed over the years it seems to me that this is a fairly remarkable forum. Some other fan forum sites I've visited discourage political debate at the level that occurs here. I would argue that for those sites, this is understandable and not necessarily objectionable in light of the fact that the artist they are based on are fairly apolitical and, besides, sometimes it's just nice to go there to talk about the music. Pearl Jam (like, say, Neil Young) are more politically oriented in their spectrum that way so it makes sense here.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
^^^ this.
well said gimme.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
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some people have no idea about learning and growing. this is the reason I love debate. Even though I dont agree im still learning your views, in a society we all have to accomodate each other and each others ideas.
thats why i hate current polotics in my country (australia)
recently we had a dead heat election, what got the current government in was the support of a few independents. and as such the other sides ideas are not listened to by the government.
so 49 percent of australians thouughts, choice of represntative are completely ignored. how stupid.
and i would probably back the gov in power right now so its not sour grapes. I just beleive that a large part of our society is not being listened to. that debate is ignored because they won
both sides have good and bad ideas
well i think that being snotty because your an intelectual is mostly slack. Im certainly not. but I have seen a lot in my 43 years and have an opinion. and i want to broaden my understannding of the world and the peolpe in it.
shitstirer of the board
haha love it. wear it like a badge of pride mate. you stir the pot and get it moving. nothing wrong with that.
your certainly not a troll
keep it up
im saddened that in our modern society with free communication via the power of the net that we still allow our leaders to fool vast parts of our society about other peoples and their religons/ beleifs.
Ive been on this board and been involved in discussions with Israelites and muslims and or supporters of. Ive learnt more about the issues there on this board than in the media.
INFORMATION IS POWER
lets share it