Where's the debate?

Commy

this forum has gone to shit the past few years. where is the outrage? where is the debate?

here's some chuck ragan for you to ponder....


Where are the ones that carry the guns to the far away lands with the blackened suns from the smokened narrow minds. The half-truth trails and the holy lies of an empty heart and overflowing mouth, a plastic smile and a cowards frown. Reprecussions come around when the word named free burns to the ground somehow.

Where are the deaf and where are the dumb from the side of the tracks where no reason comes from and the tables never bare. The water runs and momma's always there so separates the world from the with such words and such words would cause a shot heard round the world. A justice that never hurt at all.

So down down down like a ball of flames, to the rotten core filling up with names of hypocrites what a massive list, don't exclude yourself from it. Don't compromise administration lies carried out and covered up with time, carried out and turned around to shine. High on a pedestal of broken lies.

The passion speaks loud for itself falls on broken ears and off the value shelf into the dirt left to the wind. Coming up strong ready to begin to obliterate the word from the start with such ideas come and such ideas cause a spark that will set a blaze and leave the embers red until the end of days.

So down down down like a ball of flames, to the rotten core filling up with names of hypocrites what a massive list, don't exclude yourself from it. Don't compromise administration lies carried out and covered up with time, carried out and turned around to shine. High on a pedestal of broken lies.

Where are the ones that carry the guns to the far away lands with the blackened suns from the smokened narrow minds. The half-truth trails and the holy lies of an empty heart and overflowing mouth, a plastic smile and a cowards frown. Reprecussions come around when the word named free burns to the ground somehow

Byrnzie

It's way out in the water...
see it swimming?

Commy

Byrnzie wrote:

It's way out in the water...
see it swimming?

i can't see it no.

ONCE DEVIDED

do you want to debate or quote ragan
never heard of him
if your after debate please post a topic

Commy

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

do you want to debate or quote ragan
never heard of him
if your after debate please post a topic

illegal aliens deserve social security. go.


topic posted. go.

Commy

Social Security is of little value for the rich but is crucial for survival for working people, the poor, their dependents and the disabled. And as a government programme, it has such low administrative costs that it offers nothing to financial institutions. It benefits only the "underlying population," not the "substantial citizens," to borrow Thorstein Veblen’s acid terminology.

The medical system, however, works very well for the people who matter in a system where health care is effectively rationed by wealth, and enormous profits flow to private power for highly inefficient management. The underlying population can be treated with lectures on responsibility.

The US Congress has recently enacted bankruptcy reform that tightens the stranglehold on the underlying population. About half of US bankruptcies result from medical bills.

Social Security is based on an extremely dangerous principle: that you should care whether the disabled widow across town has food to eat. The Social Security "reformers" would rather have you concentrate on maximising your own consumption of goods and subordinating yourself to power. That’s life. Caring for other people, and taking community responsibility for things like health and retirement — that’s just deeply subversive.

Commy

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

do you want to debate or quote ragan
never heard of him
if your after debate please post a topic

topic posted

ONCE DEVIDED

my thoughts on social security
the old, the young, the invalid all require a hand to live in our society, and we who can afford should help by paying our taxes and through donation if willing.
the unemployed on the other hand is a problem.
yes there are many who cannot get work presently because of economic situation. we must support them in their quest to find work, educate themselves to become more enployable.
but the sytem also encourages bludgers, people who have no intention to find work. who are happy to sit on their fat arses and do nothing. they should be forced off any social security.
cannot comment too much on the american health system. I live in australia. I have a sick child ( 8 yrs) and the sytem supports us greatly and im very humbled to receave that. it has it flaws but is good.
our basic idea in australia is that all are entitled to health care, but if you are working you should pay private health insurence. this of course is better than the public sytem. but if your paying more why shouldnt you expect more
hope that meets your debating requirements

ONCE DEVIDED

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

my thoughts on social security
the old, the young, the invalid all require a hand to live in our society, and we who can afford should help by paying our taxes and through donation if willing.
the unemployed on the other hand is a problem.
yes there are many who cannot get work presently because of economic situation. we must support them in their quest to find work, educate themselves to become more enployable.
but the sytem also encourages bludgers, people who have no intention to find work. who are happy to sit on their fat arses and do nothing. they should be forced off any social security.

ileagles have no rights. like criminals i beleive by breaking the law they have vetoed these rights, put em on a plane back home. get in line like the majority of refugees. then i will receave you openly,and share my great country and all the riches it holds.

cannot comment too much on the american health system. I live in australia. I have a sick child ( 8 yrs) and the sytem supports us greatly and im very humbled to receave that. it has it flaws but is good.
our basic idea in australia is that all are entitled to health care, but if you are working you should pay private health insurence. this of course is better than the public sytem. but if your paying more why shouldnt you expect more
hope that meets your debating requirements

Commy

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

my thoughts on social security
the old, the young, the invalid all require a hand to live in our society, and we who can afford should help by paying our taxes and through donation if willing.
the unemployed on the other hand is a problem.
yes there are many who cannot get work presently because of economic situation. we must support them in their quest to find work, educate themselves to become more enployable.
but the sytem also encourages bludgers, people who have no intention to find work. who are happy to sit on their fat arses and do nothing. they should be forced off any social security.
cannot comment too much on the american health system. I live in australia. I have a sick child ( 8 yrs) and the sytem supports us greatly and im very humbled to receave that. it has it flaws but is good.
our basic idea in australia is that all are entitled to health care, but if you are working you should pay private health insurence. this of course is better than the public sytem. but if your paying more why shouldnt you expect more
hope that meets your debating requirements

in australia i've heard they give 12 months leave to pregnant mothers. here its 2 weeks. and if you can't work, you get a stipend that doesn't cover cost of living.. america has trilli0ons to spend on war but australia, with less money, takes care of its citizens. it comes down to priorities . you should feel lucky they care about your son, here in the states we pay for health care, every time we fill up our car at the petrol station, evertime we buy something. taxes serve the rich, and the rich rule here. health care is a luxury.

Jason P

The biggest issue with "debate" is the hard-line stance that is taken via our liberal / conservative views. Since "flip-flop" is a cardinal sin in politics, issues are driven to extremes and are often void of common sense.

pandora

oh I thought this was gonna be about Trump and his debate he's hosting

bigdvs

Jason P wrote:

The biggest issue with "debate" is the hard-line stance that is taken via our liberal / conservative views. Since "flip-flop" is a cardinal sin in politics, issues are driven to extremes and are often void of common sense.

Agreed, its not even just a view its straight belief, if you believe one side of an issue you stand on that side of that arguement irrationally beyond all common sense and say the most absurd things in defense of bullshit.
If we can't all be a little more open minded then we can not have debate, we just have talking past each other.

CH156378

pandora wrote:

oh I thought this was gonna be about Trump and his debate he's hosting

+1

pandora

This was posted as a learning tool by Kat
I thought it would be a good reminder in this thread in case others
hadn't had a chance to read it yet.

I have been reading and studying it , its not easy to follow all when things get heated
but everyone can try to make AMT a better place for everyone.
Debate is not personal attacks.

Debate Advice and Suggestions

Advice on Debating with Others

Avoid the use of Never.
Avoid the use of Always.
Refrain from saying you are wrong.
You can say your idea is mistaken.
Don't disagree with obvious truths.
Attack the idea not the person.
Use many rather than most.
Avoid exaggeration.
Use some rather than many.
The use of often allows for exceptions.
The use of generally allows for exceptions.
Quote sources and numbers.
If it is just an opinion, admit it.
Do not present opinion as facts.
Smile when disagreeing.
Stress the positive.
You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
Concede minor or trivial points.
Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
Watch your tone of voice.
Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
Keep your perspective - You're just debating.
You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone in English, even someone you know quite well.
With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly

cincybearcat

Commy wrote:

in australia i've heard they give 12 months leave to pregnant mothers. here its 2 weeks.

Where is "here"?

Drowned Out

Well, part of the problem is that a lot of the more articulate posters from both sides of the spectrum have either been banned, let their membership lapse, or stopped posting over the last couple years....all while complaining that there is no quality debate. That would include you, Commy......good to see you posting.

Go Beavers

Drowned Out wrote:

Well, part of the problem is that a lot of the more articulate posters from both sides of the spectrum have either been banned, let their membership lapse, or stopped posting over the last couple years....all while complaining that there is no quality debate. That would include you, Commy......good to see you posting.

I don't know the history of Commy and his posts, but from what I've seen so far he only gets 2 out of 5 stars.

Drowned Out

Go Beavers wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

Well, part of the problem is that a lot of the more articulate posters from both sides of the spectrum have either been banned, let their membership lapse, or stopped posting over the last couple years....all while complaining that there is no quality debate. That would include you, Commy......good to see you posting.

I don't know the history of Commy and his posts, but from what I've seen so far he only gets 2 out of 5 stars.

well...go thru his post history...he was a very prevalent poster for a lot of years here...and always worth reading. I just clicked on his profile to see if he had some kind of extended absence, or just posted much less frequently...looks like staying away was a new years resolution...I think Triumphant Angel disappeared around the same time, they seemed friendly...miss her here, too.
I feel weird talkin about him in his thread ....but ya, seems like most of his recent posts have some underlying smart-assed bitterness to them, less serious than before.
Hope everything's cool with ya commy.

Jeanwah

Back when commy was a regular, this place was a lot different. A different level, because the regulars then could debate some issue and I'd read through it and would hardly understand any of it. It felt like a different level of intelligence, back then. No offense to the regulars of now, but it's just changed since a lot of members then didn't have to be paying 10c members, so they didn't jump the boat with the new boards.

catefrances

Jeanwah wrote:

Back when commy was a regular, this place was a lot different. A different level, because the regulars then could debate some issue and I'd read through it and would hardly understand any of it. It felt like a different level of intelligence, back then. No offense to the regulars of now, but it's just changed since a lot of members then didn't have to be paying 10c members, so they didn't jump the boat with the new boards.

you dont have to be a paying member to post. though i think maybe its if you were one when the board switched, but let your membership lapse, then your posting abilities were still activated.