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Mamasan80Mamasan80 Posts: 298
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Best show the band has ever played. I challenge the newbs that make up 90% of this board to prove me wrong.
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  • nothing_man_92nothing_man_92 Canberra, Australia Posts: 347
    They should do a MSG box set of all the shows they have done there. That is a tasty ass setlist
  • _annie__annie_ Posts: 980
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    Best show the band has ever played. I challenge the newbs that make up 90% of this board to prove me wrong.
    Gordan: Don't want to challenge you, but that is not something that you can messure. Very personal thing. Even you didn't elaborate on that, you just wrote "best show the band has ever played". Why? You had a great time and that's great. I bet there's a bunch of peope that where at the same place five years later that would say that is the best show. Bottom line, that may be the best show that you've been to but to say that was the best show they ever played you would have to be at every show they played. I doubt you were.
  • Mamasan80Mamasan80 Posts: 298
    _annie_ wrote:
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    Best show the band has ever played. I challenge the newbs that make up 90% of this board to prove me wrong.
    Gordan: Don't want to challenge you, but that is not something that you can messure. Very personal thing. Even you didn't elaborate on that, you just wrote "best show the band has ever played". Why? You had a great time and that's great. I bet there's a bunch of peope that where at the same place five years later that would say that is the best show. Bottom line, that may be the best show that you've been to but to say that was the best show they ever played you would have to be at every show they played. I doubt you were.

    I don't know why you think my name is "Gordan", but anyway it was just a blanket statement I was making in a halfhearted attempt to see what other people would claim as "the best show ever". Of course it's subjective and it wasn't really meant to be that big a deal :)
  • YieldToNothingYieldToNothing Posts: 3,667
    lol at you calling anyone a noob.

    that was a very good show, but best ever? i'm not quite sure of that. soldier field 95, atlanta 94, msg night one 2003, march 3 1998 and may 21 2010, katowice 2 2000 all jump to mind immediately as better shows

    if i thought for 5 minutes i'm sure i could rattle off at least 15 more shows that are more re-listenable.

    so, your callout thread is a failure
    i have a paper here that entitles me to fast track status
  • Mamasan80Mamasan80 Posts: 298
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    lol at you calling anyone a noob.

    that was a very good show, but best ever? i'm not quite sure of that. soldier field 95, atlanta 94, msg night one 2003, march 3 1998 and may 21 2010, katowice 2 2000 all jump to mind immediately as better shows

    if i thought for 5 minutes i'm sure i could rattle off at least 15 more shows that are more re-listenable.

    so, your callout thread is a failure

    Were you there? I doubt it. You weren't there to hear a crowd explode to unimaginable heights with the opening chord of Breath. Pretty funny that you're laughing at me calling anyone a newb, and then the shows you list are, obviously, all soundboard or FM recordings. Not even New Regal Theater '94, Randall's Island 2 '96 or the Spain/Portugal run from '96, which are all FAR better than the shows you rebut with.

    Oh and Katowice 2 2000? Here's my view from that night, how was yours?

    n757704301_1361699_8064.jpg

    But keep basing someone's knowledge on something like post count. That's a proven winner.
  • djklambakedjklambake PHX, AZ Posts: 2,522
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    _annie_ wrote:
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    Best show the band has ever played. I challenge the newbs that make up 90% of this board to prove me wrong.
    Gordan: Don't want to challenge you, but that is not something that you can messure. Very personal thing. Even you didn't elaborate on that, you just wrote "best show the band has ever played". Why? You had a great time and that's great. I bet there's a bunch of peope that where at the same place five years later that would say that is the best show. Bottom line, that may be the best show that you've been to but to say that was the best show they ever played you would have to be at every show they played. I doubt you were.

    I don't know why you think my name is "Gordan", but anyway it was just a blanket statement I was making in a halfhearted attempt to see what other people would claim as "the best show ever". Of course it's subjective and it wasn't really meant to be that big a deal :)

    Gordan shares an account with Annie. He writes "Gordan:" before every post to let you know who's talking to you.

    Yep, totally subjective (however, I would have loved to have been at that show to experience what you say was the best show ever). :-)
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  • YieldToNothingYieldToNothing Posts: 3,667
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    lol at you calling anyone a noob.

    that was a very good show, but best ever? i'm not quite sure of that. soldier field 95, atlanta 94, msg night one 2003, march 3 1998 and may 21 2010, katowice 2 2000 all jump to mind immediately as better shows

    if i thought for 5 minutes i'm sure i could rattle off at least 15 more shows that are more re-listenable.

    so, your callout thread is a failure

    Were you there? I doubt it. You weren't there to hear a crowd explode to unimaginable heights with the opening chord of Breath. Pretty funny that you're laughing at me calling anyone a newb, and then the shows you list are, obviously, all soundboard or FM recordings. Not even New Regal Theater '94, Randall's Island 2 '96 or the Spain/Portugal run from '96, which are all FAR better than the shows you rebut with.

    Oh and Katowice 2 2000? Here's my view from that night, how was yours?

    n757704301_1361699_8064.jpg

    But keep basing someone's knowledge on something like post count. That's a proven winner.

    umad?

    lol at you listing jack irons shows as best ever candidates (yes i know soldier field is a jack show, but that one was off the chain)
    and randall's island was just long....it was good but best ever? hardly. most of the best shows have come post 2000 or in 1992...depending on how you like your pearl jam. 94-98 have some gems, but i can't get down with any shows from those years being best ever
    i have a paper here that entitles me to fast track status
  • Mamasan80Mamasan80 Posts: 298
    djklambake wrote:
    Gordan shares an account with Annie. He writes "Gordan:" before every post to let you know who's talking to you.


    Yep, totally subjective (however, I would have loved to have been at that show to experience what you say was the best show ever). :-)

    Ah, thanks for the clarification. 9/11/98 will always be special, but it needs to be taken in context. The night before was the first time the band had ever played MSG, and it was a mediocre show at best. The Breath campaign was happening, and they came out SO FOCUSED and locked in. It was the first Ben Harper guest spot, and the Alive closer with Ed climbing halfway up the mic cord, just swinging around taking it all in. Some things can't always be captured on recordings.
  • Mamasan80Mamasan80 Posts: 298
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    lol at you calling anyone a noob.

    that was a very good show, but best ever? i'm not quite sure of that. soldier field 95, atlanta 94, msg night one 2003, march 3 1998 and may 21 2010, katowice 2 2000 all jump to mind immediately as better shows

    if i thought for 5 minutes i'm sure i could rattle off at least 15 more shows that are more re-listenable.

    so, your callout thread is a failure

    Were you there? I doubt it. You weren't there to hear a crowd explode to unimaginable heights with the opening chord of Breath. Pretty funny that you're laughing at me calling anyone a newb, and then the shows you list are, obviously, all soundboard or FM recordings. Not even New Regal Theater '94, Randall's Island 2 '96 or the Spain/Portugal run from '96, which are all FAR better than the shows you rebut with.

    Oh and Katowice 2 2000? Here's my view from that night, how was yours?

    n757704301_1361699_8064.jpg

    But keep basing someone's knowledge on something like post count. That's a proven winner.

    umad?

    lol at you listing jack irons shows as best ever candidates (yes i know soldier field is a jack show, but that one was off the chain)
    and randall's island was just long....it was good but best ever? hardly. most of the best shows have come post 2000 or in 1992...depending on how you like your pearl jam. 94-98 have some gems, but i can't get down with any shows from those years being best ever

    Again, were you at Randall's Island in '96? Were you in that insane pit? I'm guessing no. I'm not really that interested in going back and forth with you to be honest. We can agree to disagree and leave it at that.
  • djklambakedjklambake PHX, AZ Posts: 2,522
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    Some things can't always be captured on recordings.

    Couldn't agree more! I was at the Vancouver 2011 show and being at the show and listening to the boots, I remember Eddie going batshit at the end of Ole. I remember who came out on stage to rock out on RITFW, I remember at which points Eddie was throwing blood spattered tambourines into the crowd and when Mike was tossing his picks, and I remember when Eddie flashed the crowd with the back of his guitar.

    All stuff you don't get on the recording, of course.

    I always feel an ounce of regret for not being able to be present at certain shows (especially after raving reviews by the Faithfull, here). Then again, I'd be pretty fucking broke... :D
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  • YieldToNothingYieldToNothing Posts: 3,667
    the "i was there" argument kinda works against you....of course you're gonna be partial to shows you attended.

    anyway, no i wasn't at randall's island, i was a little too young. so that show isn't in my 71.
    i have a paper here that entitles me to fast track status
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    in top 10 shows ever
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Mamasan80Mamasan80 Posts: 298
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    the "i was there" argument kinda works against you....of course you're gonna be partial to shows you attended.

    anyway, no i wasn't at randall's island, i was a little too young. so that show isn't in my 71.

    71's a solid number. I like how you dropped it a)as if it's more than me, or b)as if that has anything to do with it regardless. Both a and b are false.

    If I had to make a top 10 list of what I think are the best shows ever, only 3 of them would be shows I was at. You have different taste and that's fine. Continuing to go back and forth on it is just a waste of time.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVxV1ZhPZk8
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Two nights before was the first "Breath" campaign signs, at CAA/Izod in NJ.

    ...I had my own "may I play drums with you" sign campaign from front row center, and Ed asked me if I knew how to play Breath. But then Stone intervened. So Matt got a couple of days to learn the song, but had Stone not intervened, Breath almost got reintroduced to the live catalog in NJ on 9/9/98. :)

    I'd say that any '93 and '94 performance greater than this show, but the crowd is always best at msg.
    ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
    *NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
    *MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
    *VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
    *EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
  • Mamasan80Mamasan80 Posts: 298
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Two nights before was the first "Breath" campaign signs, at CAA/Izod in NJ.

    ...I had my own "may I play drums with you" sign campaign and was front row center, and Ed asked me if I knew how to play Breath. But then Stone intervened. So Matt got a couple of days to learn the song, but had Stone not intervened, Breath almost got reintroduced to the live catalog in NJ on 9/9/98.

    I'd say that any '93 and '94 performance greater than this show, but the crowd is always best at msg.

    9/8/98 is always overshadowed by 9/11... a great show in it's own right. I remember how beat I was after driving up from VA Beach after the show the night before (another very good one btw), and I figured with MSG looming this show would be overlooked... but man was it awesome. It was incredible to see the BREATH signs pretty much just in the front sections this night, on the entire floor two nights later, and all the way up to the top of MSG on 9/11. I did Philly to Hartford on that little run, and it's still one of my favorite runs.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Two nights before was the first "Breath" campaign signs, at CAA/Izod in NJ.

    ...I had my own "may I play drums with you" sign campaign and was front row center, and Ed asked me if I knew how to play Breath. But then Stone intervened. So Matt got a couple of days to learn the song, but had Stone not intervened, Breath almost got reintroduced to the live catalog in NJ on 9/9/98.

    I'd say that any '93 and '94 performance greater than this show, but the crowd is always best at msg.

    9/8/98 is always overshadowed by 9/11... a great show in it's own right. I remember how beat I was after driving up from VA Beach after the show the night before (another very good one btw), and I figured with MSG looming this show would be overlooked... but man was it awesome. It was incredible to see the BREATH signs pretty much just in the front sections this night, on the entire floor two nights later, and all the way up to the top of MSG on 9/11. I did Philly to Hartford on that little run, and it's still one of my favorite runs.


    Ed talking about Breath and my own sign campaign:

    (skip to 3:50 - link will reformat your window size to a smaller size)

    http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... 3D&ext.m3u
    ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
    *NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
    *MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
    *VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
    *EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
  • Mamasan80Mamasan80 Posts: 298
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Two nights before was the first "Breath" campaign signs, at CAA/Izod in NJ.

    ...I had my own "may I play drums with you" sign campaign and was front row center, and Ed asked me if I knew how to play Breath. But then Stone intervened. So Matt got a couple of days to learn the song, but had Stone not intervened, Breath almost got reintroduced to the live catalog in NJ on 9/9/98.

    I'd say that any '93 and '94 performance greater than this show, but the crowd is always best at msg.

    9/8/98 is always overshadowed by 9/11... a great show in it's own right. I remember how beat I was after driving up from VA Beach after the show the night before (another very good one btw), and I figured with MSG looming this show would be overlooked... but man was it awesome. It was incredible to see the BREATH signs pretty much just in the front sections this night, on the entire floor two nights later, and all the way up to the top of MSG on 9/11. I did Philly to Hartford on that little run, and it's still one of my favorite runs.


    Ed talking about Breath and my own sign campaign:

    (skip to 3:50 - link will reformat your window size to a smaller size)

    http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... 3D&ext.m3u

    Awesome man. I remember that. I've never asked Jess if she's told Ed that it was her campaign. I should the story from her.
  • FastrichieFastrichie Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 917
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    in top 10 shows ever


    Agreed-I was there. One of the best I've seen not just counting the set list. Not as good as 5/21/10 or Philly 10/30/09 for that matter but you could tell they figured out where they were playing and gave everything they had.
    04/06/94 Springfield, 04/17/94 NYC, 10/02/96 Hartford, 11/14/97 Oakland, 09/08/98 NJ, 09/10/98 MSG, 09/11/98 MSG, 09/13/98 Hartford, 08/24/00 Jones Beach, 08/25/00 Jones Beach 04/30/03 Uniondale, 07/08/03 MSG, 07/09/03 MSG, 09/28/04 Boston, 10/01/05 Borgata, 10/03/05 Philly, 05/13/06 Hartford 05/25/06 Boston, 06/01/06 NJ, 06/03/06 NJ, 08/05/07 Chicago, 06/24/08 MSG, 06/25/08 MSG, 06/27/08 Hartford, 06/30/08 Mansfield, 07/01/08 The Beacon, 08/21/09 Toronto, 10/27/09 Philly, 10/28/09 Philly, 10/30/09 Philly, 10/31/09 Philly, 05/15/2010 Hartford, 05/17/2010 Boston, 05/20/2010 MSG, 05/21/2010 MSG, Montreal 09/07/2011, Philly 09/01/2012, Wrigley 07/19-20,2013, Worcester 10/16/13, Brooklyn 10/18, Brooklyn 10/19/13, Hartford 10/25/13, Ed Sullivan 09/23/2015, Central Park 09/26/2015 Philly 04/29/2016. MSG 05/01/2016, MSG 05/02/2016, Fenway 08/05/2016, Fenway 08/07/2016, Brooklyn 04/07/2017, Seattle 08/08/2018, Seattle 08/10/2018, Chicago 08/20/2018, Fenway 09/02/2018, Fenway 09/04/2018, Asbury Park 09/18/2021, Apollo Theater 09/10/2022, MSG 09/11/2022, Camden 09/14/2022


  • Mamasan80Mamasan80 Posts: 298
    Fastrichie wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    in top 10 shows ever


    Agreed-I was there. One of the best I've seen not just counting the set list. Not as good as 5/21/10 or Philly 10/30/09 for that matter but you could tell they figured out where they were playing and gave everything they had.

    See this all comes down to how you view Pearl Jam, and of course everyone is going to have differing opinions. I can't possibly imagine any show from 2010 being better than even an average show from '93-'98. It's to each his own obv.
  • SpencerSpencer Posts: 867
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    most of the best shows have come post 2000 or in 1992...depending on how you like your pearl jam. 94-98 have some gems, but i can't get down with any shows from those years being best ever
    Haha, woah.

    1994 to 1998 are by far the band's best years - live and on record.


    Post-2000 shows don't even come close on a performance basis.
  • SpencerSpencer Posts: 867
    Mamasan80 wrote:
    I can't possibly imagine any show from 2010 being better than even an average show from '93-'98.
    This.
  • YieldToNothingYieldToNothing Posts: 3,667
    Spencer wrote:
    YieldToNothing wrote:
    most of the best shows have come post 2000 or in 1992...depending on how you like your pearl jam. 94-98 have some gems, but i can't get down with any shows from those years being best ever
    Haha, woah.

    1994 to 1998 are by far the band's best years - live and on record.


    Post-2000 shows don't even come close on a performance basis.

    on record, i agree wholeheartedly

    but jack irons shows don't hold a candle to matt cameron shows imo
    98 tour was very good but i think you can look at europe 2000, north america 03, canada 05, europe 06 and many 2010 shows are being superior
    i have a paper here that entitles me to fast track status
  • SpencerSpencer Posts: 867
    Jack's my favourite Pearl Jam drummer.
  • YieldToNothingYieldToNothing Posts: 3,667
    Spencer wrote:
    Jack's my favourite Pearl Jam drummer.

    he's my favorite studio drummer
    i have a paper here that entitles me to fast track status
  • SpencerSpencer Posts: 867
    I've never had a problem with his live drumming. He was a little rusty in 1995, but understandably so. His live drumming was excellent in 1996-1998 (before he left) - that material has never sounded as good since.
  • YieldToNothingYieldToNothing Posts: 3,667
    i think matt plays the early stuff as well as anyone

    i don't agree with evenflow at 9billion beats per minute, but he fucking owns the jam everytime and his drum solos on the 06 tour were fucking epic

    the only songs where i prefer jack's live drumming to matt's are from the records he had a hand in creating.
    i have a paper here that entitles me to fast track status
  • LeatherMosquitoManLeatherMosquitoMan Posts: 4,034
    IBTL

    *= disclaimer.

    This show is pretty awesome on the audience recording i have. Agreed. However, i wouldn't even say it's the best show at MSG, and i'm *only basing this on audio/video recordings, AS I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A SHOW AT MSG.

    But of course. I'm wrong. Lol.

    The L@TG show was fucking stellar. As was the other 2003 show. And the 2 2010 shows are amazing. I have the fan DVD's to both. I also have the DVD for 9/11/98, and there's nothing in it that really, whatsoever that would make me think it's the best show ever. I wouldn't even put it top 10.

    Oh, and if we're talking about deafening roars... try being present (And i was) for the end of Footsteps at LA3 2009, when Ed out-of-the-blue introed CC. That shit was a fucking roar.
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  • LeatherMosquitoManLeatherMosquitoMan Posts: 4,034
    Spencer wrote:
    Jack's my favourite Pearl Jam drummer.

    Mine is Dave A. Even Flow will never be as good without him. But again, it's MHO.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    LeatherMosquitoMan wrote:
    Spencer wrote:
    Jack's my favourite Pearl Jam drummer.

    Mine is Dave A. Even Flow will never be as good without him. But again, it's MHO.


    Agree 10x.

    EF w/ Dave A = AMAZING

    EF w/ Matt C = bathroom break
    ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
    *NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
    *MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
    *VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
    *EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
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