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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    imalive wrote:
    lately, I've been watching and reading a lot of reports about our (USA) heroin addiction epidemic. it kind of blows my mind that this stuff can find it's way out of afghanistan, across the ocean, thru our borders/ports and on into the heartland of our country.

    is this an american problem or do all "developed" countries have heroin problems? what about meth? has that made it to europe is is that an american thing? as John Kay said "Goddamn the pusher man!"

    our ongoing "war on drugs" needs to take a new direction...
    ...
    "President Bush believes crop substitution is a viable option. Bush believes crops such as pomegranates,
    honeydew melons, wheat, and corn are all practical alternatives to poppy cultivation
    ."
    ref. http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Zanavich.pdf
    ...
    Okay... this is why I was pissed off at the Bush Administration in 2005. I mean, seriously... HoneyDew Melons? Competing on the global market with commercially grown melons? What is worth more to some Afghan farmer... heroin or HoneyDew Melons?
    Was Bush actually ON heroin when he thought this up?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Cosmo wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    lately, I've been watching and reading a lot of reports about our (USA) heroin addiction epidemic. it kind of blows my mind that this stuff can find it's way out of afghanistan, across the ocean, thru our borders/ports and on into the heartland of our country.

    is this an american problem or do all "developed" countries have heroin problems? what about meth? has that made it to europe is is that an american thing? as John Kay said "Goddamn the pusher man!"

    our ongoing "war on drugs" needs to take a new direction...
    ...
    "President Bush believes crop substitution is a viable option. Bush believes crops such as pomegranates,
    honeydew melons, wheat, and corn are all practical alternatives to poppy cultivation
    ."
    ref. http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Zanavich.pdf
    ...
    Okay... this is why I was pissed off at the Bush Administration in 2005. I mean, seriously... HoneyDew Melons? Competing on the global market with commercially grown melons? What is worth more to some Afghan farmer... heroin or HoneyDew Melons?
    Was Bush actually ON heroin when he thought this up?


    nope... just drunk on pomegranate juice.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    nope... just drunk on pomegranate juice.
    ...
    Mmmmmm. Pomegranate juice.
    That's some gooooooood shit, man.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    STAYSEA wrote:
    Oh No! Come to Broward County if you want to see the sick! 24 doctors... have the authority to prescribe heavy NARCs, that was the count according to the U.S. surgon general . 17 of those Doctors practice "pain management" in my County!!!!. I sliced my hand open while cooking... I needed stiches! I went to all the nearest clinics, trying to get a stich or two, maybe a tetnis shot? WEll the only places avalible only had drugs "medicine" and not doctor on duty. I can get Oxycotin , loratab, crack, pretty much anything but a band aid . You think Zombies are a joke! They are all over South Florida. I forgot how many people in my "county" overdose and die everyday. the count was like 8? people die everyday? I guess florida is too fancy to low grade street drugs? I'm moving far away before the year ends, btw! I wouldn't make stuff up. I do have cited sources, and a dictionary... too lazy.

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    ...
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    there is a massive problem with heroin in the cahokia/collinsville/belleville IL area. a lot of high school kids are on that shit. why the fuck would they begin using iv drugs???

    the doctor i work with had a cousin die of a heroin overdose last year. he was 16 and went to an exclusive private school. it can happen, even in what people think are the best of kids.

    didn't former nfl qb erik kramer lose his 17 year old son to heroin overdose last week??
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    there is a massive problem with heroin in the cahokia/collinsville/belleville IL area. a lot of high school kids are on that shit. why the fuck would they begin using iv drugs???

    the doctor i work with had a cousin die of a heroin overdose last year. he was 16 and went to an exclusive private school. it can happen, even in what people think are the best of kids.

    didn't former nfl qb erik kramer lose his 17 year old son to heroin overdose last week??


    kids get bored and are always looking for something to alleviate that. they also have that immortality streak and sadly thats an illusion.
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  • pandora wrote:
    pandora wrote:

    War on Drugs... Battle those drugs until they can not exist and
    I have faith that someday they will not be desired anymore.
    I don't think that works, it hasn't. Put money into treatment, don't throw the dude with a joint in jail.
    joint :? who's talking about weed?

    we are talking junk... killer junk

    the kind that takes your child to the point you, even as a parent,
    wishes they were dead.
    How has the 'War on Drugs' solved that problem?
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  • I have to agree with libertarians on this...


    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I have to agree with libertarians on this...


    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY
    that link doesn't work for me ... help

    I'm interested in your opinion
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    How has the 'War on Drugs' solved that problem?
    well if they would stop battling weed and get tough on the hard drugs that would help

    also 10 - 15 years ago we didn't have the scare tactic anti drug program we do now
    it was just say no to drugs when my kids were in school
    it didn't have the shock value as to why say no ... it was also law enforcement
    that was in the schools, in many cases that is not a teenager's friend.

    I do feel some years down the road we will see less drug addiction,
    it would help if adults would say no to prescription drugs too though.
    As I have mentioned in other posts, parents set the example and the tone
    in the home and dictate who your adult child will be.

    Children are little sponges long before we think they can understand.
    If you don't want your child addicted don't be addicted yourself.... this includes all
    'drugs'.

    A child does not see the difference between drugs only that the parent is not themselves,
    off limits, impaired and secretive in behavior or this is how they have fun and enjoy life.
    This is learned adult behavior that may someday come back to haunt parents.
  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    pandora wrote:
    War on Drugs... Battle those drugs until they can not exist and
    I have faith that someday they will not be desired anymore.

    all creatures -- human and animal --desire drugs
    once elephants learn that squished grapes give you a buzz
    they will squish all they can & return every harvest to squish some more.

    those elephants squished......and then they squished again :shock: :shock: :shock: :|

    I know that there is a better way than "war" on drugs..because this just equates to war on "human nature"
    theres got to be a better way than "WAR"
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Rollings wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    War on Drugs... Battle those drugs until they can not exist and
    I have faith that someday they will not be desired anymore.

    all creatures -- human and animal --desire drugs
    once elephants learn that squished grapes give you a buzz
    they will squish all they can & return every harvest to squish some more.

    those elephants squished......and then they squished again :shock: :shock: :shock: :|

    I know that there is a better way than "war" on drugs..because this just equates to war on "human nature"
    theres got to be a better way than "WAR"
    would like to see that :D

    I only know one thing about hard drugs... killer drugs ... it's worth the battle
    most especially when you witness a fine healthy intelligent loving young person
    leave this world because of them and then watch their loving parents grandparents siblings
    die inside because of it

    They deserve a war on the Pusherman
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I lost a beautiful friend to it eight (almost nine) years ago.

    If you're EVER in a position to keep someone away from that shit, do it do it do it.

    What you post made me think of a Carroll O'Conner commercial...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg_G-NeSmW0
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  • pandora wrote:
    I have to agree with libertarians on this...


    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY
    that link doesn't work for me ... help

    I'm interested in your opinion


    Huh I wonder why? Seems to work for me..Anyway pm sent..
  • watch; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvs_C0oy ... re=related

    (part 1/3... watch the whole thing)
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    http://www.manoneileen.com/2011/09/13/t ... nal-drugs/

    I was seriously unaware that heroin was STILL a top recreational drug in the US. A friend over the holidays told me of this S Florida band Secret French Kissing Society called "I Gotta Move" from his heroin dealer who lives next door. Love the song to me it's too funny.


    it goes

    I live next door to a heroin dealer [get high]
    I live next door to a heroin dealer [get high]
    I live next door to a heroin dealer
    Right next door... shes my neighbor

    I live next door to a heroin dealer [get high]

    Every day i pass by her flat to get high
    Every day i pass by her flat to get high
    Every day i pass by her flat to shoot some dope
    Smoke some crack

    I live next door to a heroin dealer [get high]

    Its just so sweet for me she lives next door
    Its just so sweet for me she lives next door
    Its just so sweet she live next door
    Its such a breeze for me to score

    I live next door to a heroin dealer [get high]

    She hooks me up on days when i am broke
    She hooks me up on days when i am broke
    She hooks me up when i am broke
    She knows my habbits thats no joke

    I live next door to a heroin dealer [get high]

    The lead singer had his issues with heroin...
    http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri= ... 2CGs1zB0QU

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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Cosmo wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    lately, I've been watching and reading a lot of reports about our (USA) heroin addiction epidemic. it kind of blows my mind that this stuff can find it's way out of afghanistan, across the ocean, thru our borders/ports and on into the heartland of our country.

    is this an american problem or do all "developed" countries have heroin problems? what about meth? has that made it to europe is is that an american thing? as John Kay said "Goddamn the pusher man!"

    our ongoing "war on drugs" needs to take a new direction...
    ...
    "President Bush believes crop substitution is a viable option. Bush believes crops such as pomegranates,
    honeydew melons, wheat, and corn are all practical alternatives to poppy cultivation
    ."
    ref. http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Zanavich.pdf
    ...
    Okay... this is why I was pissed off at the Bush Administration in 2005. I mean, seriously... HoneyDew Melons? Competing on the global market with commercially grown melons? What is worth more to some Afghan farmer... heroin or HoneyDew Melons?
    Was Bush actually ON heroin when he thought this up?
    Wow melons and corn as an alternative to poppies. Although I did see a news story years ago where some group was trying to encourage Afghan poppy farmers to sell their crops legally in order that they could be used to make morphine for use in hospitals. That would seem like it would make more sense then melons.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    "Heroin, be the death of me.
    Heroin, it's my wife and it's my life Because a mainer to my vein, Leads to a center in my head... And then I'm better off than dead.

    When the smack begins to flow, Then I really don't care anymore About all the Jim-Jims in this town And everybody putting everybody else down And all of the politicians makin' crazy sounds All the dead bodies piled up in mounds.

    When that heroin is in my blood And the blood is in my head...
    Yeah, thank God that I'm good as dead... thank your God that I'm not aware And thank God that I just don't care And I guess I just don't know."
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,438
    Cosmo wrote:
    "Heroin, be the death of me.
    Heroin, it's my wife and it's my life Because a mainer to my vein, Leads to a center in my head... And then I'm better off than dead.

    When the smack begins to flow, Then I really don't care anymore About all the Jim-Jims in this town And everybody putting everybody else down And all of the politicians makin' crazy sounds All the dead bodies piled up in mounds.

    When that heroin is in my blood And the blood is in my head...
    Yeah, thank God that I'm good as dead... thank your God that I'm not aware And thank God that I just don't care And I guess I just don't know."
    Cosmo, my friend....that really doesn't add much to the discussion....but goddam that's a great song. The version on rock n roll animal is an all time classic :thumbup:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    imalive wrote:
    Cosmo, my friend....that really doesn't add much to the discussion....but goddam that's a great song. The version on rock n roll animal is an all time classic :thumbup:
    ...
    This is GREAT!!! Someone else that loves the serverely underrated album, 'Rock N Roll Animal'!!!
    Just to let you know, Mike McCready also loves this record... I talked to him about it when I first met him. Great album, front to back with some of the best guitar work I've ever heard... like the 'Intro/Sweet Jane'. Just fucking GREAT!!!
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,438
    Cosmo wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    Cosmo, my friend....that really doesn't add much to the discussion....but goddam that's a great song. The version on rock n roll animal is an all time classic :thumbup:
    ...
    This is GREAT!!! Someone else that loves the serverely underrated album, 'Rock N Roll Animal'!!!
    Just to let you know, Mike McCready also loves this record... I talked to him about it when I first met him. Great album, front to back with some of the best guitar work I've ever heard... like the 'Intro/Sweet Jane'. Just fucking GREAT!!!
    dick wagner and steve hunter, tearing it the fuck up :thumbup:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,438
    it's crazy :cry:

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — A Los Angeles coroner's office says the cause of death for the 18-year-old son of former NFL quarterback Erik Kramer was a heroin overdose.

    Thousand Oaks High School backup quarterback Griffen Kramer was found dead in his Agoura Hills home on Oct. 30.

    The Ventura County Star (http://bit.ly/rKnHWk ) says a toxicological report shows the teenager died of acute morphine heroin toxicity.

    Friends told investigators that Kramer began foaming at the mouth while consuming heroin with them. Authorities say one of his friends took him home and laid him down so he could sleep it off. The teen was found dead the next morning.

    Five have been arrested in connection with Kramer's death.

    Erik Kramer's NFL career spanned from 1987 to 1999. He played with Atlanta, Chicago, San Diego and Detroit.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • stargirl69stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    Britain has a HUGE heroin problem.
    I work with heroin addicts every day of my working life.They are the most self inflicted tragic people ever,it takes their very souls,lives,children and families from them.They will do anything for heroin,I mean anything.the effect on their children guarantees another generation of fucked up adults,when a 4 year old child shows me him "playing" at using a water hose as a tourniquet.
    “There should be a place where only the things you want to happen, happen”
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,438
    stargirl69 wrote:
    Britain has a HUGE heroin problem.
    I work with heroin addicts every day of my working life.They are the most self inflicted tragic people ever,it takes their very souls,lives,children and families from them.They will do anything for heroin,I mean anything.the effect on their children guarantees another generation of fucked up adults,when a 4 year old child shows me him "playing" at using a water hose as a tourniquet.

    :cry:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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