China upset at Australia

catefrances

MayDay Malone wrote:

catefrances wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

Right.

The U.S. is afraid of becoming irrelevant, so we sent 2000 Marines to Australia to .... make us feel... better?

my head hurts from the lack of oxygen in the room.

no not make you feel better.. your govt doesnt really give a shit how you feel tbh... much like most govts, including my own.


these things dont happen overnight as im sure youre aware. eventually all powers become irrelevant... to what degree depends. there was a time when the sun never set on the british empire... now no one gives a fuck about them. the USs time will come but in the meantime they are doing all they can to slow that down... which is only natural. the best way to maintain influence is to get a foothold in and slowly and steadily build on it. thats whats happening here. australia isnt a pretend friend to the US like pakistan... theres no chance of us stabbing the US with our left hand while we shake your right. and i cant ever imagine a time when an australian leader would refuse a request from an american president.

okay. Glad to hear that, b/c I've always felt a kinship w/ Aussies- damn good people- the ones I've met...

...and FUN to drink with!

well of course we are.. at one time our currency was rum.

Thoughts_Arrive

Byrnzie wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Look at how the Chinese treat their own people.
Not very democratic.....

I'm sure the OWS protestors in the U.S being beaten and pepper sprayed would agree with you.

Protestors get beat up and pepper sprayed here and in many other democratic countries around the world.
The problem with the OWS group is they do not do it peacefully and camp out illegally.
The cops don't just beat them up, they were given eviction notices and failed to comply thus action was taken.

Thoughts_Arrive

MayDay Malone wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Although the USA aren't angels, I find China scarier because of their lack of democracy.
People get beat up and jailed over there for thinking differently to their government.
Looks like we are caught in the middle of this political shitstorm.
Australia became the 51st state of the USA a long time ago anyways

When and if the shit hits the fan, Americans and Australians will bleed in the same trenches together, across the battlefield from Chinese, Russian, Iranian, NKorean, etc...

Personally, I really like everything I've learned about Australians, And I'm glad the USA is strengthening our military alliance w/ them.

Tis a fool, who plans only for peace.

gimmesometruth27

so we are going to waste more money spreading our troops around the world.


grand...

Thorns2010

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so we are going to waste more money spreading our troops around the world.


grand...

Well....I think its going to cost more than 1 grand.

catefrances

Thorns2010 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so we are going to waste more money spreading our troops around the world.


grand...

Well....I think its going to cost more than 1 grand.

and when youre already a trillion dollars in debt whats another billion or so?

markin ball

catefrances wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so we are going to waste more money spreading our troops around the world.


grand...

Well....I think its going to cost more than 1 grand.

and when youre already a trillion dollars in debt whats another billion or so?

That's 14+ trillion, thank you very much.

catefrances

markin ball wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

Well....I think its going to cost more than 1 grand.

and when youre already a trillion dollars in debt whats another billion or so?

That's 14+ trillion, thank you very much.

how proud you must be. 8-)

gimmesometruth27

i don't know how we are supposed to maintain our empire with that kind of debt...yet here we are expanding it into a permanent base in australia....

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't know how we are supposed to maintain our empire with that kind of debt...yet here we are expanding it into a permanent base in australia....

you wont.... youll collapse in a big heap and we will all laugh at the stupidity of your govt... and how they sold your future and security for what..???

Thoughts_Arrive

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't know how we are supposed to maintain our empire with that kind of debt...yet here we are expanding it into a permanent base in australia....

The empire strikes back!

MayDay Malone

catefrances wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't know how we are supposed to maintain our empire with that kind of debt...yet here we are expanding it into a permanent base in australia....

you wont.... youll collapse in a big heap and we will all laugh at the stupidity of your govt... and how they sold your future and security for what..???

Its not just the gov't , its the electorate. 51% pay for nothing, want everything, and are voting for politicians that promise this utopian impossibility.

The end is nigh...

catefrances

MayDay Malone wrote:

catefrances wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't know how we are supposed to maintain our empire with that kind of debt...yet here we are expanding it into a permanent base in australia....

you wont.... youll collapse in a big heap and we will all laugh at the stupidity of your govt... and how they sold your future and security for what..???

Its not just the gov't , its the electorate. 51% pay for nothing, want everything, and are voting for politicians that promise this utopian impossibility.

The end is nigh...

Nervous American Voters Worried About Botching Another Election



Voters all across the country can feel themselves about to screw things up again.

WASHINGTON—According to a Rasmussen poll released Thursday, nearly all American voters share a deeply held fear of botching another election in 2012, with the majority admitting that selecting candidates suitable for public office is something they are just not very good at.

"When I think about how bad things are already, I can't help but worry that it's going to get infinitely worse once we step into the voting booth next November," said Gavin Daniels, 34, of Columbus, OH, one of 1,200 registered voters who participated in the survey. "This country has repeatedly screwed itself over at the ballot box, and I have this really sickening, unshakable feeling we're going to do it again next year. That's just sort of what we do."

"I keep asking myself, 'Am I going to completely fuck things up by dropping the ball on my vote for president and sending someone patently corrupt or incompetent to Congress?" he continued. "And the answer for me and millions of other American voters is yeah, probably. God knows we do almost every time."

According to the poll, 9 out of 10 likely voters said they did not trust themselves to make choices that were in the nation's best interests, three-quarters said Election Day panic would likely cause them to base their votes entirely on hearsay, and 93 percent admitted that when it came to state and local races they would probably only recognize the names of candidates who had been featured prominently in attack ads.

In addition, almost all respondents said they feared being unable to summon the self-discipline required to read any proposition or ballot initiative running longer than 150 words.

The poll also suggested that despite a presidential campaign season that now lasts a full year and a half, American voters feel they still fail to acquire useful information about the relative merits of a candidate, acknowledging that on the whole, they cannot make the sound decisions required of a functioning electorate in a representative democracy.

"In the end, I just know I'm going to hear one catchy sound bite and make a terrible, emotionally driven decision that's going to screw us over for another two, four, or six years," said Kyla Simpson of Denver, a working mother of three who confirmed she routinely elects officials whose actions damage the health, safety, and economic security of her family. "I always wind up going with my gut instinct and making an impulsive choice that sends everything straight to hell."

"Goddammit, why do I keep doing that?" she added.

Voters indicated their nerves typically begin to fray early in the campaign cycle, when they make the mistake of tuning out any reasonable opinion uttered by a non-telegenic or poorly funded candidate. Their anxiety is then compounded, they said, after they bungle things further with responses to opinion polls that winnow the contenders down to an unsatisfactory few.

Following primaries and the selection of a nominee frighteningly committed to defending every last inch of party orthodoxy, nervousness reaches a fever pitch and stays there until the general election, at which time, voters confirmed, they tend to "royally fuck things up beyond any shred of hope whatsoever."

While conceding the nation occasionally gets an election right, historians point out the successes have been outweighed by the spectacular failures, which include Richard Nixon's re-election, the nomination of Michael Dukakis, Winfield Scott's crushing 1852 loss to Franklin Pierce amidst disaffection with the Whig Party, every political contest held in 2004, and the 47-year Senate career of Strom Thurmond.

"If there's any way at all way to shit the bed on this one, you can bet Americans will find it," said Mike Hodgson, 54, of Gainesville, FL. "Even if we see the blatantly manipulative campaign tricks and fear-mongering buzzwords for what they really are, they're still the only things we'll pay attention to."

"Frankly, it's going to come down to me taking a complete stab in the dark on this one," he added. "Yep, here I go again."

AT&T, Citigroup, and Goldman Sachs issued statements Tuesday confirming they are not among those nervous about the first presidential election since the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling.


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Cosmo

Well, I would be upset if China was setting up shop in Central America.
...
And... if we really wanted to quit supporting China... all we'd have to do is quit shopping at Wal-Mart, where they hock all their goods, right?

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

Well, I would be upset if China was setting up shop in Central America.
...
And... if we really wanted to quit supporting China... all we'd have to do is quit shopping at Wal-Mart, where they hock all their goods, right?

right. though i bought some shit at walmart and it was made in honduras and el salvador.... quite a novelty for this aussie.




anyhoo... china is australias biggest trading partner, so i can understand why beijing would be upset.

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Well, I would be upset if China was setting up shop in Central America.
...
And... if we really wanted to quit supporting China... all we'd have to do is quit shopping at Wal-Mart, where they hock all their goods, right?

right. though i bought some shit at walmart and it was made in honduras and el salvador.... quite a novelty for this aussie.

anyhoo... china is australias biggest trading partner, so i can understand why beijing would be upset.

...
For those who are afraid of China... take an inventory of your home and identify all the stuff you have bought that was 'Made In China' (and don't forget that 'I Support the Troops' magnet on the back of your car). This also includes things like the components in your computer, components in your car (tail light lenses, steering wheels, electronic components, led bulbs, etc...), the paint you bought to change the wall color of your kid's room and the ingredients that went into your dog's food.
That is what made China what it is today... an odd mixture of ideologies that resulted in a bizzare form of State Run Capitalism and your expendible income.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Well, I would be upset if China was setting up shop in Central America.
...
And... if we really wanted to quit supporting China... all we'd have to do is quit shopping at Wal-Mart, where they hock all their goods, right?

right. though i bought some shit at walmart and it was made in honduras and el salvador.... quite a novelty for this aussie.

anyhoo... china is australias biggest trading partner, so i can understand why beijing would be upset.

...
For those who are afraid of China... take an inventory of your home and identify all the stuff you have bought that was 'Made In China' (and don't forget that 'I Support the Troops' magnet on the back of your car). This also includes things like the components in your computer, components in your car (tail light lenses, steering wheels, electronic components, led bulbs, etc...), the paint you bought to change the wall color of your kid's room and the ingredients that went into your dog's food.
That is what made China what it is today... an odd mixture of ideologies that resulted in a bizzare form of State Run Capitalism and your expendible income.

but... but....

mickeyrat

catefrances wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

...And I'm glad the USA is strengthening our military alliance w/ them.

of course you are... the US is getting the better deal.

Well, Cate as with any base for the military, it WILL benefit the local econmy. With civilian jobs and military pay being spent there. Its not all downside.

catefrances

mickeyrat wrote:

catefrances wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

...And I'm glad the USA is strengthening our military alliance w/ them.

of course you are... the US is getting the better deal.

Well, Cate as with any base for the military, it WILL benefit the local econmy. With civilian jobs and military pay being spent there. Its not all downside.

i said better deal.. not that there was nothing in it for oz. and you are talking to the wrong person if you think i think anything to do with shoring up our capitalist society is a good thing. our economy is strong enough thanks very much... stronger than yours in fact.

Austicman

catefrances wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't know how we are supposed to maintain our empire with that kind of debt...yet here we are expanding it into a permanent base in australia....

you wont.... youll collapse in a big heap and we will all laugh at the stupidity of your govt... and how they sold your future and security for what..???

You mean another permanent base in Australia

Pine Gap

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap