China upset at Australia

Thoughts_Arrive

Because we are allowing U.S soldiers to train here.
Cry babies.

CH156378

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Because we are allowing U.S soldiers to train here.
Cry babies.

+1

catefrances

im upset too.

gimmesometruth27

if i were china i would be angry at not just the us for putting a base there, but also at australia for allowing it. we're building a new military base and are putting 2500 of our most elite forces in australia to presumably keep china in check. this is in addition to the massive fleet of navy ships we have in the region. i think it is the 7th fleet??

this would be the exact same thing as china putting a base and 2500 of their most elite forces in venezuela or mexico. americans would be absolutely outraged and see it as an act of war if china did that. please refer to "cuban missile crisis" for further evidence of how the hawks in the united states government would react. i understand china's sentiments completely.

Smellyman

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

if i were china i would be angry at not just the us for putting a base there, but also at australia for allowing it. we're building a new military base and are putting 2500 of our most elite forces in australia to presumably keep china in check. this is in addition to the massive fleet of navy ships we have in the region. i think it is the 7th fleet??

this would be the exact same thing as china putting a base and 2500 of their most elite forces in venezuela or mexico. americans would be absolutely outraged and see it as an act of war if china did that. please refer to "cuban missile crisis" for further evidence of how the hawks in the united states government would react. i understand china's sentiments completely.

Gimme, that's unfair. America is a force of good and China are evil commies. It's apples and oranges.

Thoughts_Arrive

I dread the day China becomes the #1 superpower.
Scary times ahead, very very scary.
Glad you got our back USA!

Byrnzie

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I dread the day China becomes the #1 superpower.
Scary times ahead, very very scary.
Glad you got our back USA!

How many wars has China started in the last 50 years?

How many wars has the U.S started in the last 50 years?

Thoughts_Arrive

Byrnzie wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I dread the day China becomes the #1 superpower.
Scary times ahead, very very scary.
Glad you got our back USA!

How many wars has China started in the last 50 years?

How many wars has the U.S started in the last 50 years?

Look at how the Chinese treat their own people.
Not very democratic.....

catefrances

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I dread the day China becomes the #1 superpower.
Scary times ahead, very very scary.
Glad you got our back USA!

How many wars has China started in the last 50 years?

How many wars has the U.S started in the last 50 years?

Look at how the Chinese treat their own people.
Not very democratic.....

look how the Us treats people from other countries.. not very democratic and quite disrespectful imo.

dont be fooled into thinking the USs actions around the world are anything other than self serving. 'we' like them cause theyre just like us.. but the minute they decide were 'the other' we are gone. right now we have something they want... position position position. we have the pacific on one side, the indian ocean on the other. were sitting on asias doorstep and close enough but far enough away from the subcontinent and china to be of vital importance. its a chess game.

Thoughts_Arrive

Although the USA aren't angels, I find China scarier because of their lack of democracy.
People get beat up and jailed over there for thinking differently to their government.
Looks like we are caught in the middle of this political shitstorm.
Australia became the 51st state of the USA a long time ago anyways

catefrances

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Looks like we are caught in the middle of this political shitstorm.

only cause we lack leadership with the balls to play. the US needs us more than we need them in this instance. it really is a mistake to rile ones neighbours when theres an alternative. gillard is a weak leader.



i find your faith in the american govt(and your own) disturbing.

Thoughts_Arrive

catefrances wrote:

i find your faith in the american govt(and your own) disturbing.

I have no faith in our govt.
Gillard is a tool.

Byrnzie

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Look at how the Chinese treat their own people.
Not very democratic.....

I'm sure the OWS protestors in the U.S being beaten and pepper sprayed would agree with you.

MayDay Malone

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Although the USA aren't angels, I find China scarier because of their lack of democracy.
People get beat up and jailed over there for thinking differently to their government.
Looks like we are caught in the middle of this political shitstorm.
Australia became the 51st state of the USA a long time ago anyways

When and if the shit hits the fan, Americans and Australians will bleed in the same trenches together, across the battlefield from Chinese, Russian, Iranian, NKorean, etc...

Personally, I really like everything I've learned about Australians, And I'm glad the USA is strengthening our military alliance w/ them.

Tis a fool, who plans only for peace.

catefrances

MayDay Malone wrote:

...And I'm glad the USA is strengthening our military alliance w/ them.

of course you are... the US is getting the better deal.

MayDay Malone

catefrances wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

...And I'm glad the USA is strengthening our military alliance w/ them.

of course you are... the US is getting the better deal.

Its not a "deal". This was done to counter the growing Chinese military presence in the Pacific.

Tis a fool that plans only for peace.

Glad Australia's leaders understand that. Next November the US will show Australia that the majority of Americans understand that as well, despite what the media tries to misrepresent.

catefrances

MayDay Malone wrote:

catefrances wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

...And I'm glad the USA is strengthening our military alliance w/ them.

of course you are... the US is getting the better deal.

Its not a "deal". This was done to counter the growing Chinese military presence in the Pacific.

Tis a fool that plans only for peace.

Glad Australia's leaders understand that. Next November the US will show Australia that the majority of Americans understand that as well, despite what the media tries to misrepresent.

oh please. of course it is a deal. this was done because the americans are scared shitless of missing out. the thought of an equal power means their influence will diminish and theyll become irrelevant. thats the motivating factor here. chinas growing economic power will be backed up with military power just like every other powerful country that has come before it. amusingly enough the US are in part to blame for chinas rising economic(and therefore military) power. when the west seeks bigger profit through minimising production costs by turning to cheap and exploitative labour this is the result. chinas rise cant be stopped but by force.


australias leaders are nothing but a bunch of suckholes.

MayDay Malone

Right.

The U.S. is afraid of becoming irrelevant, so we sent 2000 Marines to Australia to .... make us feel... better?

my head hurts from the lack of oxygen in the room.

catefrances

MayDay Malone wrote:

Right.

The U.S. is afraid of becoming irrelevant, so we sent 2000 Marines to Australia to .... make us feel... better?

my head hurts from the lack of oxygen in the room.

no not make you feel better.. your govt doesnt really give a shit how you feel tbh... much like most govts, including my own.


these things dont happen overnight as im sure youre aware. eventually all powers become irrelevant... to what degree depends. there was a time when the sun never set on the british empire... now no one gives a fuck about them. the USs time will come but in the meantime they are doing all they can to slow that down... which is only natural. the best way to maintain influence is to get a foothold in and slowly and steadily build on it. thats whats happening here. australia isnt a pretend friend to the US like pakistan... theres no chance of us stabbing the US with our left hand while we shake your right. and i cant ever imagine a time when an australian leader would refuse a request from an american president.

MayDay Malone

catefrances wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

Right.

The U.S. is afraid of becoming irrelevant, so we sent 2000 Marines to Australia to .... make us feel... better?

my head hurts from the lack of oxygen in the room.

no not make you feel better.. your govt doesnt really give a shit how you feel tbh... much like most govts, including my own.


these things dont happen overnight as im sure youre aware. eventually all powers become irrelevant... to what degree depends. there was a time when the sun never set on the british empire... now no one gives a fuck about them. the USs time will come but in the meantime they are doing all they can to slow that down... which is only natural. the best way to maintain influence is to get a foothold in and slowly and steadily build on it. thats whats happening here. australia isnt a pretend friend to the US like pakistan... theres no chance of us stabbing the US with our left hand while we shake your right. and i cant ever imagine a time when an australian leader would refuse a request from an american president.

okay. Glad to hear that, b/c I've always felt a kinship w/ Aussies- damn good people- the ones I've met...

...and FUN to drink with!

Monster Rain

I've yet to see any tanks roll through New York City, so I'd say pepper spray used on people who are being disruptive tames in comparison. I could be wrong, though. For all I know it tickles when a tanks flattens you out.

Byrnzie wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Look at how the Chinese treat their own people.
Not very democratic.....

I'm sure the OWS protestors in the U.S being beaten and pepper sprayed would agree with you.

catefrances

MayDay Malone wrote:

catefrances wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

Right.

The U.S. is afraid of becoming irrelevant, so we sent 2000 Marines to Australia to .... make us feel... better?

my head hurts from the lack of oxygen in the room.

no not make you feel better.. your govt doesnt really give a shit how you feel tbh... much like most govts, including my own.


these things dont happen overnight as im sure youre aware. eventually all powers become irrelevant... to what degree depends. there was a time when the sun never set on the british empire... now no one gives a fuck about them. the USs time will come but in the meantime they are doing all they can to slow that down... which is only natural. the best way to maintain influence is to get a foothold in and slowly and steadily build on it. thats whats happening here. australia isnt a pretend friend to the US like pakistan... theres no chance of us stabbing the US with our left hand while we shake your right. and i cant ever imagine a time when an australian leader would refuse a request from an american president.

okay. Glad to hear that, b/c I've always felt a kinship w/ Aussies- damn good people- the ones I've met...

...and FUN to drink with!

well of course we are.. at one time our currency was rum.

Thoughts_Arrive

Byrnzie wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Look at how the Chinese treat their own people.
Not very democratic.....

I'm sure the OWS protestors in the U.S being beaten and pepper sprayed would agree with you.

Protestors get beat up and pepper sprayed here and in many other democratic countries around the world.
The problem with the OWS group is they do not do it peacefully and camp out illegally.
The cops don't just beat them up, they were given eviction notices and failed to comply thus action was taken.

Thoughts_Arrive

MayDay Malone wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Although the USA aren't angels, I find China scarier because of their lack of democracy.
People get beat up and jailed over there for thinking differently to their government.
Looks like we are caught in the middle of this political shitstorm.
Australia became the 51st state of the USA a long time ago anyways

When and if the shit hits the fan, Americans and Australians will bleed in the same trenches together, across the battlefield from Chinese, Russian, Iranian, NKorean, etc...

Personally, I really like everything I've learned about Australians, And I'm glad the USA is strengthening our military alliance w/ them.

Tis a fool, who plans only for peace.

gimmesometruth27

so we are going to waste more money spreading our troops around the world.


grand...

Thorns2010

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so we are going to waste more money spreading our troops around the world.


grand...

Well....I think its going to cost more than 1 grand.

catefrances

Thorns2010 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so we are going to waste more money spreading our troops around the world.


grand...

Well....I think its going to cost more than 1 grand.

and when youre already a trillion dollars in debt whats another billion or so?

markin ball

catefrances wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so we are going to waste more money spreading our troops around the world.


grand...

Well....I think its going to cost more than 1 grand.

and when youre already a trillion dollars in debt whats another billion or so?

That's 14+ trillion, thank you very much. :(

catefrances

markin ball wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

Well....I think its going to cost more than 1 grand.

and when youre already a trillion dollars in debt whats another billion or so?

That's 14+ trillion, thank you very much. :(

how proud you must be.

gimmesometruth27

i don't know how we are supposed to maintain our empire with that kind of debt...yet here we are expanding it into a permanent base in australia....

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't know how we are supposed to maintain our empire with that kind of debt...yet here we are expanding it into a permanent base in australia....

you wont.... youll collapse in a big heap and we will all laugh at the stupidity of your govt... and how they sold your future and security for what..???