Jose Reyes is a Marlin UPDATED

jamminpearls

Not sure of the years and cash.

jimed14

He must really like the new logo and uni's ...

oona left

jamminpearls wrote:

Not sure of the years and cash.

Interesting!

Thanks for the hot stove report.

SVRDhand13

Imagine if they get Pujols too.

81

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Imagine if they get Pujols too.

Sounds like they only expected to sign one big name guy. I personally dont se albert leaving

jamminpearls

81 wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Imagine if they get Pujols too.

Sounds like they only expected to sign one big name guy. I personally dont se albert leaving

From what i read they offered Reyes,Pujulos and Buherle all contracts. The need bodies for there new stadium.

SVRDhand13

81 wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Imagine if they get Pujols too.

Sounds like they only expected to sign one big name guy. I personally dont se albert leaving

I don't either actually. They never spend that much cash so it would make sense to only get Reyes. But just thinking of Pujols in that lineup is interesting.

jamminpearls

Jose Reyes and the Marlins have not agreed to contact terms, according to Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post.
Capozzi cited a Marlins team source. Dino Costa of SiriusXM reported Sunday evening that Reyes had agreed to terms with the Marlins and Jorge Sedano of 790 AM The Ticket in Miami followed with a report that a deal was almost completed. But Capozzi is a far more reliable source. We'd expect Reyes to visit more teams before agreeing to a contract. The dynamic 28-year-old posted a .337/.384/.493 slash line in 2011 and is expected to draw a contract worth more than $100 million.

Now there's this so who knows???

jackrabbit slim

wait a minute. where does hanley play now?

jervin007

jackrabbit slim wrote:

wait a minute. where does hanley play now?

If this is true Hanley is not going to like it, but at some point he needs to transition to the OF or maybe 3B.

Cliffy6745

jervin007 wrote:

jackrabbit slim wrote:

wait a minute. where does hanley play now?

If this is true Hanley is not going to like it, but at some point he needs to transition to the OF or maybe 3B.

He'll play 3rd. Who gives a damn what he thinks the way he's acted the past couple years?

jervin007

Cliffy6745 wrote:

jervin007 wrote:

jackrabbit slim wrote:

wait a minute. where does hanley play now?

If this is true Hanley is not going to like it, but at some point he needs to transition to the OF or maybe 3B.

He'll play 3rd. Who gives a damn what he thinks the way he's acted the past couple years?

Haha. True. Will actually help my dynasty league team to give him more eligibility. Now he just has to stay healthy.

DS1119

81 wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Imagine if they get Pujols too.

Sounds like they only expected to sign one big name guy. I personally dont se albert leaving

Pujols is going to look nice in a three man rotation with A-Rod and Texiera between DH, 1B, and 3B. I really think this has a better chance of happening than most give it credit for.

pjl44

DS1119 wrote:

81 wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Imagine if they get Pujols too.

Sounds like they only expected to sign one big name guy. I personally dont se albert leaving

Pujols is going to look nice in a three man rotation with A-Rod and Texiera between DH, 1B, and 3B. I really think this has a better chance of happening than most give it credit for.

I'd be beyond shocked for these reasons:

1. Pujols is still a plus defender and penciling him or Teixeira at DH on any given night significantly eats into their value.

2. It's looking like ARod will need ABs at DH to preserve his health and get a full season in. 162 games at 3B is highly unlikely.

3. By all accounts, Jesus Montero can't hack it behind the plate, but his bat is ready. You might be able to catch him 40-50 games when ARod is DHing.

4. The offense is fine and any cash spent should be to shore up the rotation. Heard Cashman talk last night and he said just that.

pjl44

Cliffy6745 wrote:

jervin007 wrote:

jackrabbit slim wrote:

wait a minute. where does hanley play now?

If this is true Hanley is not going to like it, but at some point he needs to transition to the OF or maybe 3B.

He'll play 3rd. Who gives a damn what he thinks the way he's acted the past couple years?

Heard some experts say Ramirez has lost a step at short anyhow, but they believe he'd be plus at third. If Reyes can stay healthy, that's a big upgrade for the left side of their infield defensively and offensively.

xavier mcdaniel

jamminpearls wrote:

Jose Reyes and the Marlins have not agreed to contact terms, according to Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post.
Capozzi cited a Marlins team source. Dino Costa of SiriusXM reported Sunday evening that Reyes had agreed to terms with the Marlins and Jorge Sedano of 790 AM The Ticket in Miami followed with a report that a deal was almost completed. But Capozzi is a far more reliable source. We'd expect Reyes to visit more teams before agreeing to a contract. The dynamic 28-year-old posted a .337/.384/.493 slash line in 2011 and is expected to draw a contract worth more than $100 million.

Now there's this so who knows???

I'll trust the beat reporter from the newspaper over the radio guy, especially since the beat guy is around the team all the time and has sources in front office.

I saw this when it first happened when he tweeted it, which is among the problems with twitter someone starting rumors without any confirmation.

eeriepadave

jimed14 wrote:

He must really like the new logo and uni's ...

ewww those are horrible. i liked the old ones much better.

DS1119

pjl44 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Pujols is going to look nice in a three man rotation with A-Rod and Texiera between DH, 1B, and 3B. I really think this has a better chance of happening than most give it credit for.

I'd be beyond shocked for these reasons:

1. Pujols is still a plus defender and penciling him or Teixeira at DH on any given night significantly eats into their value.

2. It's looking like ARod will need ABs at DH to preserve his health and get a full season in. 162 games at 3B is highly unlikely.

3. By all accounts, Jesus Montero can't hack it behind the plate, but his bat is ready. You might be able to catch him 40-50 games when ARod is DHing.

4. The offense is fine and any cash spent should be to shore up the rotation. Heard Cashman talk last night and he said just that.

I'd be surprised if Montero is with the Yankees come spring training.

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Pujols is going to look nice in a three man rotation with A-Rod and Texiera between DH, 1B, and 3B. I really think this has a better chance of happening than most give it credit for.

I'd be beyond shocked for these reasons:

1. Pujols is still a plus defender and penciling him or Teixeira at DH on any given night significantly eats into their value.

2. It's looking like ARod will need ABs at DH to preserve his health and get a full season in. 162 games at 3B is highly unlikely.

3. By all accounts, Jesus Montero can't hack it behind the plate, but his bat is ready. You might be able to catch him 40-50 games when ARod is DHing.

4. The offense is fine and any cash spent should be to shore up the rotation. Heard Cashman talk last night and he said just that.

I'd be surprised if Montero is with the Yankees come spring training.

The Yankees are not trading Montero for anyone less than than an ace, and that is not available right now. If Montero is not with the Yankees, it's because they landed an absolute ace.

There is less than a 0% chance of Pujols coming to the Yankees, a healthy Arod and a bounce back from Tex is all they need next year offensively. It would be irresponsbile to sign a slugger Pujols' age with the current roster they have. There would be $0 money for pitching and that needs to be addressed. Pujols has a $210 mil contract on the table, the Yankees will not beat that for a DH.

NoCode416

DS1119 wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Pujols is going to look nice in a three man rotation with A-Rod and Texiera between DH, 1B, and 3B. I really think this has a better chance of happening than most give it credit for.

I'd be beyond shocked for these reasons:

1. Pujols is still a plus defender and penciling him or Teixeira at DH on any given night significantly eats into their value.

2. It's looking like ARod will need ABs at DH to preserve his health and get a full season in. 162 games at 3B is highly unlikely.

3. By all accounts, Jesus Montero can't hack it behind the plate, but his bat is ready. You might be able to catch him 40-50 games when ARod is DHing.

4. The offense is fine and any cash spent should be to shore up the rotation. Heard Cashman talk last night and he said just that.

I'd be surprised if Montero is with the Yankees come spring training.

the overall value of a guy like montero is extremely high given his salary... no way the yanks trade him unless they get felix or timmy...

DS1119

I would definately not say a zero percent chance. I remember in the off season of 2008 when the Yankees signed Sabathia and Burnett, people were also saying signing Texiera wouldn't and couldn't happen especially after they had already traded for Swisher to play first base...and Pujols isn't just a DH...he can play first, third, and RF.

DS1119

I believe the Yankees, at least for awhile, will never take the approach that no unproven player is untradeable, especially after getting burned by the whole Joba thing. That guy should have been shipped in early 08 when his stock was so high.

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

I believe the Yankees, at least for awhile, will never take the approach that no unproven player is untradeable, especially after getting burned by the whole Joba thing. That guy should have been shipped in early 08 when his stock was so high.

He's not untradeable but he has been offered in packages twice, once for Halladay and once for Lee. It's going to take a player of that caliber for the Yankees to move him and that player just isn't available right now. Felix is not available, Timmy is not available, Kershaw is not available, etc. It's just not going to happen unless the market changes.

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

I would definately not say a zero percent chance. I remember in the off season of 2008 when the Yankees signed Sabathia and Burnett, people were also saying signing Texiera wouldn't and couldn't happen especially after they had already traded for Swisher to play first base...and Pujols isn't just a DH...he can play first, third, and RF.

It's not happening, the Yankees need pitching. The Yankees are not going to have a musical chairs of infielders for the next 5 years, especially not for a $200mil+ contract.

The Yankees are going to have to get creative to keep their opening day payroll around $200million, adding $20 something mil to that for an offensive player when the team needs pitching is not the best use of funds. These are the Brian Cashman Yankees, not the George Steinbrenner Yankees and Pujols just isn't a Cashman kind of move.

2008 was much different because the need for all 3 of them was there. It's not there this year.

DS1119

Cliffy6745 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I would definately not say a zero percent chance. I remember in the off season of 2008 when the Yankees signed Sabathia and Burnett, people were also saying signing Texiera wouldn't and couldn't happen especially after they had already traded for Swisher to play first base...and Pujols isn't just a DH...he can play first, third, and RF.

It's not happening, the Yankees need pitching. The Yankees are not going to have a musical chairs of infielders for the next 5 years, especially not for a $200mil+ contract.

The Yankees are going to have to get creative to keep their opening day payroll around $200million, adding $20 something mil to that for an offensive player when the team needs pitching is not the best use of funds. These are the Brian Cashman Yankees, not the George Steinbrenner Yankees and Pujols just isn't a Cashman kind of move.

2008 was much different because the need for all 3 of them was there. It's not there this year.

You really think Cashman controls the Yankees and Texeria was a need in 08? They had already acquired Swisher to play first base. He's only in right because they went and signed Texeria. I truly wouldn't discount Pujols here...especially with ARods hip issue. The Yankees can put the whole "fiscally responsible" face on for the press using Cashman, but if the Steinbrenners want someone they will get them.

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I would definately not say a zero percent chance. I remember in the off season of 2008 when the Yankees signed Sabathia and Burnett, people were also saying signing Texiera wouldn't and couldn't happen especially after they had already traded for Swisher to play first base...and Pujols isn't just a DH...he can play first, third, and RF.

It's not happening, the Yankees need pitching. The Yankees are not going to have a musical chairs of infielders for the next 5 years, especially not for a $200mil+ contract.

The Yankees are going to have to get creative to keep their opening day payroll around $200million, adding $20 something mil to that for an offensive player when the team needs pitching is not the best use of funds. These are the Brian Cashman Yankees, not the George Steinbrenner Yankees and Pujols just isn't a Cashman kind of move.

2008 was much different because the need for all 3 of them was there. It's not there this year.

You really think Cashman controls the Yankees and Texeria was not a need in 08. They had already acquired Swisher to play third base. I truly wouldn't discount Pujols here...especially with ARods hip issue. The Yankees can put the whole "fiscally responsible" face on for the press using Cashman, but if the Steinbrenners want someone they will get them.

There has clearly been a shift in power to baseball opertations over the past 5 years and that was a sticking point after Torre left and Cashman negotiated his last contract. I think after the Soriano debacle, he has as much power as he has ever had. I can't see Levine getting involved with baseball ops again, not after Soriano.

Swisher was not a long term first baseman. They may have said that, but they never saw him as the first baseman of the future for the Yankees. It's not a fiscally responsible thing, it's just a fact they aren't going to go above a certain level and if they signed Pujols and got the pitchers they need over the next couple years, their payroll would be well over $220 million and it's just not going to get to that point. They are not going to create a situation where they have no flexiblity. Cashman said last year that it took a lot of work to convince Hal to stretch the budget for Martin and that was a few million, they are not stretching the budget by a $250 million contract. It would be a horrible move to have Arod, Tex, CC and Pujols tied up for clost to a combined $100 million in 2015 and it's not happening. No doubt the offense would be insane next year, but it's not worth it and would severly hamstring them long term, especially when offense is not their need right now.

DS1119

Cliffy6745 wrote:

There has clearly been a shift in power to baseball opertations over the past 5 years and that was a sticking point after Torre left and Cashman negotiated his last contract. I think after the Soriano debacle, he has as much power as he has ever had. I can't see Levine getting involved with baseball ops again, not after Soriano.

Swisher was not a long term first baseman. They may have said that, but they never saw him as the first baseman of the future for the Yankees. It's not a fiscally responsible thing, it's just a fact they aren't going to go above a certain level and if they signed Pujols and got the pitchers they need over the next couple years, their payroll would be well over $220 million and it's just not going to get to that point. They are not going to create a situation where they have no flexiblity. Cashman said last year that it took a lot of work to convince Hal to stretch the budget for Martin and that was a few million, they are not stretching the budget by a $250 million contract. It would be a horrible move to have Arod, Tex, CC and Pujols tied up for clost to a combined $100 million in 2015 and it's not happening. No doubt the offense would be insane next year, but it's not worth it and would severly hamstring them long term, especially when offense is not their need right now.

Sure looked like offense was a need in the playoffs this year. All I'm saying is don't discount Pujols with a 0% chance of happening. Especially with ARod's obvious issues. I clearly remember the whole Cashman speeches during December of 08 where he publically said on numerous occassions the Yankees needed to be responsible and they are not pursuing Texeria. Remember it like it was yesterday. And then bam...

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

There has clearly been a shift in power to baseball opertations over the past 5 years and that was a sticking point after Torre left and Cashman negotiated his last contract. I think after the Soriano debacle, he has as much power as he has ever had. I can't see Levine getting involved with baseball ops again, not after Soriano.

Swisher was not a long term first baseman. They may have said that, but they never saw him as the first baseman of the future for the Yankees. It's not a fiscally responsible thing, it's just a fact they aren't going to go above a certain level and if they signed Pujols and got the pitchers they need over the next couple years, their payroll would be well over $220 million and it's just not going to get to that point. They are not going to create a situation where they have no flexiblity. Cashman said last year that it took a lot of work to convince Hal to stretch the budget for Martin and that was a few million, they are not stretching the budget by a $250 million contract. It would be a horrible move to have Arod, Tex, CC and Pujols tied up for clost to a combined $100 million in 2015 and it's not happening. No doubt the offense would be insane next year, but it's not worth it and would severly hamstring them long term, especially when offense is not their need right now.

Sure looked like offense was a need in the playoffs this year. All I'm saying is don't discount Pujols with a 0% chance of happening. Especially with ARod's obvious issues. I clearly remember the whole Cashman speeches during December of 08 where he publically said on numerous occassions the Yankees needed to be responsible and they are not pursuing Texeria. Remember it like it was yesterday. And then bam...

But like I said, a bounce back from Tex and a healthy Arod changes everything, they have to count on the offensive players they have, I think, especially with their contracts. I hear you on the 2008 suprise, you can never take what Cashman says seriously. I just don't see a fit on this one, Tex was a fit.

pjl44

DS1119 wrote:

I'd be surprised if Montero is with the Yankees come spring training.

Good point. Cole Hamels, perhaps?

pjl44

DS1119 wrote:

Pujols isn't just a DH...he can play first, third, and RF.

Yes, no and no.

pjl44

Cliffy6745 wrote:

There has clearly been a shift in power to baseball opertations over the past 5 years and that was a sticking point after Torre left and Cashman negotiated his last contract. I think after the Soriano debacle, he has as much power as he has ever had. I can't see Levine getting involved with baseball ops again, not after Soriano.

Swisher was not a long term first baseman. They may have said that, but they never saw him as the first baseman of the future for the Yankees. It's not a fiscally responsible thing, it's just a fact they aren't going to go above a certain level and if they signed Pujols and got the pitchers they need over the next couple years, their payroll would be well over $220 million and it's just not going to get to that point. They are not going to create a situation where they have no flexiblity. Cashman said last year that it took a lot of work to convince Hal to stretch the budget for Martin and that was a few million, they are not stretching the budget by a $250 million contract. It would be a horrible move to have Arod, Tex, CC and Pujols tied up for clost to a combined $100 million in 2015 and it's not happening. No doubt the offense would be insane next year, but it's not worth it and would severly hamstring them long term, especially when offense is not their need right now.

Good points all around. The bottom line for me is that Pujols can only play 1B and it would be a huge mistake to pay him and Teixeira that sorta dough to DH half the time when they don't need to. Also, on Swisher, he played over half his games for Oakland and Chicago in the outfield, so I think they had that flexibility in mind when they traded for him.