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The GOP will never give Obama credit ..

josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,220
edited October 2011 in A Moving Train
For his pursuit and killing of the top three terrorist in the world in the past yr ...

Let's see the war in IRAQ which is not over yet and started by GW has cost 1trillion cost 5k American casualties 50k IRAQI civilian lives , yet the GOP refuses to give this President credit , what does he have to do cure cancer :roll: now to his credit ROMNEY did say yes let's give the president credit for this ...But really they sound so pathetic specially the young tea prick Rubio who will be scrutinized for embellishing his parents immigrant story Rubio get it straight your parents left CUBA 1956 CASTRO took over the country new yr's eve 1959 asshole ....
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  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    They never will. At least Romney, like you said, did give him some credit. John Macain gave Obama credit.

    In the US's involvement in Libya over seven months, the total cost was $2 billion, unlike Iraq, which is nearing $1 trillion.

    We talked about this in class yesterday:
    Reagan went after Ghadafi and couldn't get him. GWB went after bin Laden and couldn't get him. Obama got bin Laden and helped the Libyan people with NATO to get Ghadafi.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,220
    Newch91 wrote:
    They never will. At least Romney, like you said, did give him some credit. John Macain gave Obama credit.

    In the US's involvement in Libya over seven months, the total cost was $2 billion, unlike Iraq, which is nearing $1 trillion.

    We talked about this in class yesterday:
    Reagan went after Ghadafi and couldn't get him. GWB went after bin Laden and couldn't get him. Obama got bin Laden and helped the Libyan people with NATO to get Ghadafi.

    Yes you are correct 1 trillion and it took McCAIN three interviews to finally give OBAMA some credit ..
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  • EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 5,522
    Who cares who gives who credit? Is it really relevant if Romney praises Obama? Who cares?

    This is the funny thing - Obama was supposed to be an idiot in Foreign relations and great at community organizing, and it's been 100% the opposite.

    He will face the same fate as the last 1 term President for the same exact reason....


    It's the economy, stupid!
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    I'll give credit where credit is due. Obama's use of the predator drone program and tactical strike teams has been outstanding. He is concentrating attacks on the head of the serpent. And he has made no bones about going wherever necessary to take care of business.

    The next big step he has to contemplate is sending troops into Waziristan ... something that may become a reality based on the latest rhetoric out of the Obama administration.

    I know his strategy may be mind-boggling to any pacifist that voted for him, but the only way for the U.S. to get out of Afghanistan and to pull troops out is to destroy senior leadership and weaken these groups to the point that the Afghan government can take over the reigns.
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    Yeah, thanks to The Daily Show I saw how Fox News was giving the French and British credit for the operation to take out Qaddaffi (sp?). I got a good laugh out of that. The same xenophobic bunch who probably thought changing the name of French Fries to Freedom Fries was a great idea... In reality, Obama could find a cure for cancer and they'd find a way to criticize. Let's face it, they're gearing up for election season and they don't want to give him an advantage or credit for anything.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    the dead can't speak either ...
    wish they would have been taken alive
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    Newch91 wrote:
    Reagan went after Ghadafi and couldn't get him.


    Oh please.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    Jason P wrote:
    I'll give credit where credit is due. Obama's use of the predator drone program and tactical strike teams has been outstanding. He is concentrating attacks on the head of the serpent. And he has made no bones about going wherever necessary to take care of business.


    Absolutely.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    Reagan went after Ghadafi and couldn't get him.


    Oh please.
    i think reagan WOULDN't get him because he knew we would end up in a nationbuilding situation...this is back when cheney said that nationbuilding in the middle east was a bad thing....anyone remember that????
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    Reagan went after Ghadafi and couldn't get him.


    Oh please.
    i think reagan WOULDN't get him because he knew we would end up in a nationbuilding situation...this is back when cheney said that nationbuilding in the middle east was a bad thing....anyone remember that????

    They were right back then.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They were right back then.
    so it is ok 30 years later? at this great expense of blood and treasure?

    fucking flip floppers...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,220
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Who cares who gives who credit? Is it really relevant if Romney praises Obama? Who cares?

    This is the funny thing - Obama was supposed to be an idiot in Foreign relations and great at community organizing, and it's been 100% the opposite.

    He will face the same fate as the last 1 term President for the same exact reason....


    It's the economy, stupid!

    No stupid i'm just pointing out that no matter what this president does the GOP will never give him credit stupid !!!
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  • EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 5,522
    josevolution wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Who cares who gives who credit? Is it really relevant if Romney praises Obama? Who cares?

    This is the funny thing - Obama was supposed to be an idiot in Foreign relations and great at community organizing, and it's been 100% the opposite.

    He will face the same fate as the last 1 term President for the same exact reason....


    It's the economy, stupid!

    No stupid i'm just pointing out that no matter what this president does the GOP will never give him credit stupid !!!

    Ha, ha, ha. You thought I was calling you stupid, so you did it back to me! Very clever. Except my quote is from the Bush I non re-election, and clearly not directed at you. But, even if it was, very nice. What are we in 3rd grade?

    And, who cares what the GOP does? Who cares what the Donkeys do? It's a good thing for the country, it's a good thing for the country. Who give a rats ass who's giving credit to who? Isn't that part of the problem? We care so much as to who's getting credit instead of just doing.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,897
    Just compare Iraq and Libya, 2 horrible dictators are gone in very different ways. One cost the US citizens trillions, the other a billion, one took years, the other took 6 months, one cost thousands of american lives, ther other cost zero, one destroyed our reputation in a region, and the other boosted it.

    If Republicans don't want to take a lesson from Obama and his foreign policy when it comes to terrorists, they can go fuck themselves and have no business being in power.
  • EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 5,522
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They were right back then.
    so it is ok 30 years later? at this great expense of blood and treasure?

    fucking flip floppers...

    Maybe. And it has nothing to do with flipping or flopping. Circumstances change. Reagan was able to put him in his place, not to be heard from again for 30 years. But, the climate is different now, and perhaps the right move was permanent "removal."

    Both create their own problems. As, we shall soon see. Who fills that vacuum will be very interesting.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,897
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    josevolution wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Who cares who gives who credit? Is it really relevant if Romney praises Obama? Who cares?

    This is the funny thing - Obama was supposed to be an idiot in Foreign relations and great at community organizing, and it's been 100% the opposite.

    He will face the same fate as the last 1 term President for the same exact reason....


    It's the economy, stupid!

    No stupid i'm just pointing out that no matter what this president does the GOP will never give him credit stupid !!!

    Ha, ha, ha. You thought I was calling you stupid, so you did it back to me! Very clever. Except my quote is from the Bush I non re-election, and clearly not directed at you. But, even if it was, very nice. What are we in 3rd grade?

    And, who cares what the GOP does? Who cares what the Donkeys do? It's a good thing for the country, it's a good thing for the country. Who give a rats ass who's giving credit to who? Isn't that part of the problem? We care so much as to who's getting credit instead of just doing.

    I think it's less about the credit they give and more about the fact that they can't understand this strategy is incredibly successful. I cringe to think about how McCain would have handled this situation.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They were right back then.
    so it is ok 30 years later? at this great expense of blood and treasure?

    fucking flip floppers...


    It's funny that when people hate something, like calling someone a flip flopper for changing their position on something, they start to do it too.

    A change in position is not always a bad thing. It was in this case. National building is not only too expensive it is almost impossible to achieve.
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  • EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 5,522
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I think it's less about the credit they give and more about the fact that they can't understand this strategy is incredibly successful. I cringe to think about how McCain would have handled this situation.


    Ummm. Yeah. Because the previous administration never followed this strategy. Shouldn't we be closing Quantanamo by now?

    At least be a little bit objective when you're telling other folks they aren't.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They were right back then.
    so it is ok 30 years later? at this great expense of blood and treasure?

    fucking flip floppers...

    Maybe. And it has nothing to do with flipping or flopping. Circumstances change. Reagan was able to put him in his place, not to be heard from again for 30 years. But, the climate is different now, and perhaps the right move was permanent "removal."

    Both create their own problems. As, we shall soon see. Who fills that vacuum will be very interesting.
    pan am flight 103 in 1988 was direct retaliation for the US tripoli bombings in 1986...so reagan really put him in his place :roll:

    you reaganites have to please remain consistent.

    if this happened under obama all of you would be calling for obama's head, instead reagan is praised for allowing gadhafffi to remain in power and kill americans..good decision ronnie...

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,897
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I think it's less about the credit they give and more about the fact that they can't understand this strategy is incredibly successful. I cringe to think about how McCain would have handled this situation.


    Ummm. Yeah. Because the previous administration never followed this strategy. Shouldn't we be closing Quantanamo by now?

    At least be a little bit objective when you're telling other folks they aren't.

    When did the previous adminstration help take out a dictator without putting boots on the ground and losing American lives?

    Quite honestly, I don't really have an opinion on Guantanamo. It is surely not a good situation but I am not going to pretend to know what to do with those people.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:

    you reaganites have to please remain consistent.

    if this happened under obama all of you would be calling for obama's head, instead reagan is praised for allowing gadhafffi to remain in power and kill americans..good decision ronnie...


    EDITED to remove unneeded personal attack. Sorry, got the best of me.


    Why are you constantly projecting and putting words in other people's mouths?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Just compare Iraq and Libya, 2 horrible dictators are gone in very different ways. One cost the US citizens trillions, the other a billion, one took years, the other took 6 months, one cost thousands of american lives, ther other cost zero, one destroyed our reputation in a region, and the other boosted it.

    If Republicans don't want to take a lesson from Obama and his foreign policy when it comes to terrorists, they can go fuck themselves and have no business being in power.
    Taking the dictator out is the super easy part.

    If we judge the outcome right now, Obama might as well fly out to an aircraft carrier and announce "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED".
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Flip-flopping (or as I call it, redefining your opinion based on the latest information and circumstances) is always viewed as a weakness and exploited by political opponents ... which means being closed-minded and stubborn on issues is considered to be a strength.

    That is fucked up.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,220
    The GOP and most Americans blame Obama for the mess we are in financially but they have a hard time giving him some props for taking out these terrorist ...
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Jason P wrote:
    Flip-flopping (or as I call it, redefining your opinion based on the latest information and circumstances) is always viewed as a weakness and exploited by political opponents ... which means being closed-minded and stubborn on issues is considered to be a strength.

    That is fucked up.
    remember when john kerry was lambasted for being a "flip flopper"? he tried to explain his changing positions like you just did and half of the american people would have none of it.

    some people get praised for being stubborn and closed minded and some get chastised for redefining their position. i agree it is pretty messed up. we should want people who are able to adapt their position to this ever changing world.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,750
    I always thought that about 'flip flopping'.

    Why is it a dirty term? Flip flopping in a lot of cases is a good thing. Time and circumstances change. Maybe new information comes to light.... maybe some trial and error?
  • EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 5,522
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Flip-flopping (or as I call it, redefining your opinion based on the latest information and circumstances) is always viewed as a weakness and exploited by political opponents ... which means being closed-minded and stubborn on issues is considered to be a strength.

    That is fucked up.
    remember when john kerry was lambasted for being a "flip flopper"? he tried to explain his changing positions like you just did and half of the american people would have none of it.

    some people get praised for being stubborn and closed minded and some get chastised for redefining their position. i agree it is pretty messed up. we should want people who are able to adapt their position to this ever changing world.

    It is one thing to adjust your stance on something over 20 years. Quite another after 20 minutes. And, yet another doing it on every topic every 20 minutes.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    It is one thing to adjust your stance on something over 20 years. Quite another after 20 minutes. And, yet another doing it on every topic every 20 minutes.
    i am pretty certain that you are exaggerating if you are referring to kerry...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    still no credit being given out by the gop....

    i think it is clear whose side they are on, and if they do not see us getting out of iraq as a positive then it goes to show that you really do have a choice come november 2012...

    to quote jon stewart..."what the fuck is wrong with you people!?!?!?!?"
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    josevolution wrote:
    For his pursuit and killing of the top three terrorist in the world in the past yr ...

    ...because they're green with envy that Obama took them out and they didn't.
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