What is the "Stockholm syndrome?" I'm not familiar with that term?
stockholm syndrome- In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a real paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.
and another thing, the citizens united supreme court decision must be reversed.
money is not speech and corporations are not people.
it is this ruling that allows our political system to be in the situation that it is in....if that is not overturned then things are going to get much worse.
Worst ruling ever. Have you noticed that it was the 5 conservative members of the court (Scalia, Alito, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas--all pieces of shit) that voted to give corporations the same rights as American citizens? Hmmmmm.....
But, corporations are citizens, right?
(whygohome is daydreaming about his next home (there are two options)...nestled in the forests of Germany....or snowboarding down the Southern Carpathian mountains......)
You didn't answer any of my questions. Like when would you say it's time to stop increasing taxes on the rich? Seems to me it wouldn't ever be enough for you... Maybe I'm wrong though... so why not answer the question.
Who's definition of fair, mine or yours? I think everyone paying an equal percentage of their income would be fair. I assume you do not. Do you? Don't deviate into another topic... just answer. Yes or no.
how is wanting to take care of the poor and unemployed greedy?
It's not. But, you can do that very easily without government. I give a lot of my income away to the poor, for instance. I do so voluntarily to private charity. I think that's how it can be done. You should not force people to adopt your version of fair and do so through government in my opinion. For all you know, they contribute a hell of a lot more to poor or unemployed than you do as a percentage of their income through private charity. Is that bad?
I want jobs. So, my reply is this. Do you think giving a fat lazy kid a small allowance (that's he's fine living off of) is going to get him to work? Not saying poor or unemployed are fat nor lazy. I'm giving a rough example to say, why would "some" seek jobs when they are comfortable with what the government is giving them? Do you think giving a man a fish each day, creates incentives for him to want to learn to fish? I don't.
how is wanting my kids and my grandkids to have AT LEAST AS GOOD OF A CHANCE as i had greedy?
It's not. We're ruining that chance. Put bluntly, with what you write here, it seems as though you don't really want people to have a "chance" anyway. By "chance" I'm assuming the chance to be prosperous. You want to take away from those who are successful and give to those who aren't. Equating things. My question all along, is when do you want that to end? When everyone has equal income? Is that creating the chance for prosperity or eliminating it?
we claim to be a "christian country" with christian values and principles, yet jesus christ would be ashamed of what he sees in this country today. he would fucking throw up if he saw what is happening, and how people are defending the wall street banksters and the wealthiest 1%. didn't he rebel against the greedy and the money changers in his father's house instead of excusing them and making apologies for them?
I'm not seeing the point of trying to bring religion into this, but since you want to...
I recall Jesus saying "give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give to God what is Gods."
And, yes, I recall the story that Jesus was upset at the money changers doing their work in "his father's house". He thought it was inappropriate for them to do that in a church (of that time)... and I whole-heartedly agree with him.
Although I'm no theologian, I think Jesus would say to you (given your thoughts on taxing other people and redistribution of wealth) as he did to others:
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
In other words, why not give more of your own income to the government before you ask more from others, who are already paying much, much more as a percentage of their income? Jesus was right, that's hypocritical... people should focus on themselves.
i am tired of reading your apologies for the way things are and making excuses for it and trying to undercut what people are trying to accomplish with this movement instead of trying to figure out how fix it.
hahaha... I dislike this administration. So, I'd say actually... You're the apologist. It seems to me you want more of the same! I don't. I want to fix the problem. I think this administration and the one prior were horrid. I think the FED, and this sort of asinine fiscal policy, is the problem. Bailouts, TARP, stimulus and quantitative easing... they are the problem. I want to change that. You, I think, don;t.
i wouldn't stand on the tracks because as time goes on this thing is going to keep growing.
I know it will it's funded by the DNC. This is their only shot of getting Obama re-elected. They need to position the blame on someone else. This is their attempt. And apparently it's working on people like yourself. The sad reality is though, it won't work on the majority. They aren't buying it and are confused by these protests.
i heard on the radio today that former tea partiers like dylan ratigan are supporting this protest now, and he is finding common ground with the ows protestors AND the unions....
I don't even know who he is. So, I don't care. I find common ground with any of these folks who say: bailouts are bad. I also find common ground if they claim the FED is to blame. I don't find common ground with increasing taxes and expanding government. Or the one's who are saying re-elect Obama. I believe government, Republican and Democrat policy, is the problem. Not the top 1%.
What is the "Stockholm syndrome?" I'm not familiar with that term?
stockholm syndrome- In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a real paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.
Yes, this does seem to fit in an odd way. I was just talking with a man I know fairly well who was let go by a corporation and has been out of work and struggling for some time yet he is still very enamored of the whole corporate set up and thinks that "almost all" of the OWS'ers are kids who "don't have a clue as to what they are protesting about" and who "don't want to have to work but want the government to give them a monthly check". Crazyness!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
i can understand greed. it is one of the oldest human vices.
what i don't understand are the greed cheerleaders.
is it stockholm syndrome or something??
yeah, it must be a mental problem for people to disagree with the idea that the government should be able to take more to get itself out of the mess they got themselves into...
All people should be a reasonable percentage of their income for the basic needs of society...People just disagree on what that percentage should be, and they disagree with what those basic societal needs are...why does it have to be craziness?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
these protests are about the govt and wall street...the people of this country don't get to lobby for what they want in legislation cause we don't have millions of dollars to throw out at politicians to get what we want. Out of all these banks that were giving out bad loans nobody got in trouble...there are so many people that are hurting and these Americans resent the fact that nothing happened to anyone nor is happening. These people just want the middle and lower class so start being looked at again. Who's grown by leaps and bounds over the past 40 years, the middle or the upper class? Seems like it started happening right around the time a certain republican president lowered taxes by more than 50% on the richest Americans and raised taxes on the others. We have the lowest taxex since the 50's right now...how's that working out for us? People want lower taxes, lower taxes, and more lower taxes but I don't see how this is helping matters at all. CORPORATE AMERICA HAS TOO MUCH POWER AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO TAKE SOME OF IT BACK.
just outside of the city actually. 5 minutes from the airport, 15 miles from the edward jones dome, laclede's landing and the riverfront.
definite missed opportunity!
well now you know, so next time hit me up
We had read that Pappys Smokehouse was one of the "101 places in the USA" that ya have to eat at...Good stuff!!!
That Opera House was INCREDIBLE as far as sound.....
Had a good time...
ah yes, Pappy's is awesome. I have only been there twice. for some reason my group of friends like to hang out in the county so it is hard for me to get downtown to eat, unless for like a date or something. and i have not been to the opera house in ages. glad you had fun.
i think i would look like i needed a shower if i were sleeping outside on the street for several days too lol...were you at the protest during the day or in the evening? they have a curfew in that area at night so the news says that police have been arresting people for loitering after the curfew.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Anyone else having fun watching teabaggers lose there shit over these protests...?
yes, eric cantor embraced the tea party and called it patriotic and democracy in action while he is denouncing this one...i am guessing he might be a little angry that the media has abandoned the tea party and it's message...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The Tea Party and The Occupy Movement should really merge on what they have in common-- their disgust of crony capitalism and the call for its abolishment. To me, the movements are more similar than dissimilar, and if not for people being so easily divided by the media and namecalling, the people have a real chance for the first time in a long time to get something done here. To quote the movie Network, "First you've got to get MAD." Step one, check. It took long enough, but it's here. Step 2 is to use the common ground hold people accountable for their wrong doing. It's big business and big government to blame. How about Occupiers and Tea Partiers alike work to slam some cell doors shut on the parties involved that really deserve it? My guess is that you will find an equal of number of people culpable in both government and business, and it requires no one to renounce their bias towards one or the other.
The Tea Party and The Occupy Movement should really merge on what they have in common-- their disgust of crony capitalism and the call for its abolishment. To me, the movements are more similar than dissimilar, and if not for people being so easily divided by the media and namecalling, the people have a real chance for the first time in a long time to get something done here. To quote the movie Network, "First you've got to get MAD." Step one, check. It took long enough, but it's here. Step 2 is to use the common ground hold people accountable for their wrong doing. It's big business and big government to blame. How about Occupiers and Tea Partiers alike work to slam some cell doors shut on the parties involved that really deserve it? My guess is that you will find an equal of number of people culpable in both government and business, and it requires no one to renounce their bias towards one or the other.
I'm as MAD as HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
The Tea Party and The Occupy Movement should really merge on what they have in common-- their disgust of crony capitalism and the call for its abolishment. To me, the movements are more similar than dissimilar, and if not for people being so easily divided by the media and namecalling, the people have a real chance for the first time in a long time to get something done here. To quote the movie Network, "First you've got to get MAD." Step one, check. It took long enough, but it's here. Step 2 is to use the common ground hold people accountable for their wrong doing. It's big business and big government to blame. How about Occupiers and Tea Partiers alike work to slam some cell doors shut on the parties involved that really deserve it? My guess is that you will find an equal of number of people culpable in both government and business, and it requires no one to renounce their bias towards one or the other.
I'm as MAD as HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
The Tea Party and The Occupy Movement should really merge on what they have in common-- their disgust of crony capitalism and the call for its abolishment. To me, the movements are more similar than dissimilar, and if not for people being so easily divided by the media and namecalling, the people have a real chance for the first time in a long time to get something done here. To quote the movie Network, "First you've got to get MAD." Step one, check. It took long enough, but it's here. Step 2 is to use the common ground hold people accountable for their wrong doing. It's big business and big government to blame. How about Occupiers and Tea Partiers alike work to slam some cell doors shut on the parties involved that really deserve it? My guess is that you will find an equal of number of people culpable in both government and business, and it requires no one to renounce their bias towards one or the other.
I'm as MAD as HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
it rivals Alec Baldwin's scene in GlenGarry Glen Ross as my favorite ever.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Worst ruling ever. Have you noticed that it was the 5 conservative members of the court (Scalia, Alito, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas--all pieces of shit) that voted to give corporations the same rights as American citizens? Hmmmmm.....
But, corporations are citizens, right?
(whygohome is daydreaming about his next home (there are two options)...nestled in the forests of Germany....or snowboarding down the Southern Carpathian mountains......)
Who's definition of fair, mine or yours? I think everyone paying an equal percentage of their income would be fair. I assume you do not. Do you? Don't deviate into another topic... just answer. Yes or no.
It's not. But, you can do that very easily without government. I give a lot of my income away to the poor, for instance. I do so voluntarily to private charity. I think that's how it can be done. You should not force people to adopt your version of fair and do so through government in my opinion. For all you know, they contribute a hell of a lot more to poor or unemployed than you do as a percentage of their income through private charity. Is that bad?
I want jobs. So, my reply is this. Do you think giving a fat lazy kid a small allowance (that's he's fine living off of) is going to get him to work? Not saying poor or unemployed are fat nor lazy. I'm giving a rough example to say, why would "some" seek jobs when they are comfortable with what the government is giving them? Do you think giving a man a fish each day, creates incentives for him to want to learn to fish? I don't.
It's not. We're ruining that chance. Put bluntly, with what you write here, it seems as though you don't really want people to have a "chance" anyway. By "chance" I'm assuming the chance to be prosperous. You want to take away from those who are successful and give to those who aren't. Equating things. My question all along, is when do you want that to end? When everyone has equal income? Is that creating the chance for prosperity or eliminating it?
I'm not seeing the point of trying to bring religion into this, but since you want to...
I recall Jesus saying "give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give to God what is Gods."
And, yes, I recall the story that Jesus was upset at the money changers doing their work in "his father's house". He thought it was inappropriate for them to do that in a church (of that time)... and I whole-heartedly agree with him.
Although I'm no theologian, I think Jesus would say to you (given your thoughts on taxing other people and redistribution of wealth) as he did to others:
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
In other words, why not give more of your own income to the government before you ask more from others, who are already paying much, much more as a percentage of their income? Jesus was right, that's hypocritical... people should focus on themselves.
hahaha... I dislike this administration. So, I'd say actually... You're the apologist. It seems to me you want more of the same! I don't. I want to fix the problem. I think this administration and the one prior were horrid. I think the FED, and this sort of asinine fiscal policy, is the problem. Bailouts, TARP, stimulus and quantitative easing... they are the problem. I want to change that. You, I think, don;t.
I know it will it's funded by the DNC. This is their only shot of getting Obama re-elected. They need to position the blame on someone else. This is their attempt. And apparently it's working on people like yourself. The sad reality is though, it won't work on the majority. They aren't buying it and are confused by these protests.
I don't even know who he is. So, I don't care. I find common ground with any of these folks who say: bailouts are bad. I also find common ground if they claim the FED is to blame. I don't find common ground with increasing taxes and expanding government. Or the one's who are saying re-elect Obama. I believe government, Republican and Democrat policy, is the problem. Not the top 1%.
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Very interesting! Thank you, gimme.
Yes, this does seem to fit in an odd way. I was just talking with a man I know fairly well who was let go by a corporation and has been out of work and struggling for some time yet he is still very enamored of the whole corporate set up and thinks that "almost all" of the OWS'ers are kids who "don't have a clue as to what they are protesting about" and who "don't want to have to work but want the government to give them a monthly check". Crazyness!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
yeah, it must be a mental problem for people to disagree with the idea that the government should be able to take more to get itself out of the mess they got themselves into...
All people should be a reasonable percentage of their income for the basic needs of society...People just disagree on what that percentage should be, and they disagree with what those basic societal needs are...why does it have to be craziness?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I ran into a whole "Tent City" of the Occupy Wall Street folks....
They looked like they could all use a shower....
And a change of clothing.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
You live in St Louey???
DAMN!!!
Missed Oppurtunity!!!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
definite missed opportunity!
well now you know, so next time hit me up
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
That Opera House was INCREDIBLE as far as sound.....
Had a good time...
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
i think i would look like i needed a shower if i were sleeping outside on the street for several days too lol...were you at the protest during the day or in the evening? they have a curfew in that area at night so the news says that police have been arresting people for loitering after the curfew.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/149476/ ... ll-street/
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm as MAD as HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Such a great scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qgVn-Op7Q
it rivals Alec Baldwin's scene in GlenGarry Glen Ross as my favorite ever.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan