Amanda Knox freed

musicismylife78

ive always found it mildly amusing that anytime anyone disagrees with someone else, they dont know what they are talking about. because i feel mumia is innocent i dont know what im talking about is the thing thats argued. which is absurd. its such a cop out and straw man idea. i have no problem discussing the case(s), but i do think its rather childish to suggest that because someone disagrees with you, that they dont know what they are talking about, or that because im not from philly i dont know what im talking about. so, all you philly folks, you never argue and debate issues that happen outside the state? certainly this case, a seattle girl, and a perugian murder, are nowhere near philly, so im not sure what your argument is about really.


i also think its laughable the argument is that mumia has to PROVE his innocence. Anyone who's studied the case at all, and read beyond the FOP and Faulkner camps, knows the case has differing opinions. I dont think you get the support of Amnesty, Tutu, the dalai lama and the pope without something being a little questionable.

The Move bombing is key, because it shows the mindset of the philly police. Whether its a black mayor or rizzo or whoever, the city of philly, its infrastructure, its police and politicians thought it ok, to bomb and kill women and children, in an american town no less. Trample pregnant women etc... Are you really trying to suggest to me, the type of people who would ok and execute such a horrendous thing, would not also frame and want to kill and railroad an innocent black man, who conveniently for them was a radical.

What about Mumia warrants him being followed and harassed and marked by the FBI from age 13 on? How is that justifiable?

mumia was and is, in their eyes a threat. the gov't, viewed the panthers as a terrorist organization, which is laughable if you have any knowledge at all about the Panthers.

There is no justification at all for the outright slaughter of MOVE by phillies govt and their is no justification for Mumia's imprisonment.

The incident itself is murky. He sees his own brother being savagely beaten by Philly's finest pigs. I believe the guys innocent, but what would you do in that situation. A family member is being savaged by a cop, who has a gun,

i also find it interesting you arent arguing about peltier. so the wm3 were framed. you have countless individuals in the last 10 to 15 years proven to have been railroaded and have been exonerated via DNA, you have a justice system that you'd have to be a complete idiot to not believe its racist and classist, you have someone like peltier who fbi agents admitted was framed and innocent, you have a gov't, federal government that treats people like malcolm x and mlk as terrorists to be in their words "neutralized",

i'd shudder to be siding with the FOP, with the philly govt, or with the feds on this one.

musicismylife78

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Just, wow. Nobody ever said Philly police never did anything bad, or that Rizzo was an angel. Actually, if you had a clue, you'd know the MOVE bomb was ordered by Wilson Goode, a black mayor. Just keep talking about things you don't understand.

All anyone is saying is... Mumia is guilty. You haven't made any point to come close to proving otherwise.

so your suggesting that 5 years before the move bombing happened, a clear thinking, fair, non racist and non classist, philly gov't, thoughtfully and fairly tried mumia, carefully weighing the evidence, race and the black panthers never figuring into it at all.

then somehow, 5 years later, the gov't is overrun by racist people, (i dont care if its a black mayor, it was more than him who signed off on the order to bomb Move), who 5 years before, were clearheaded, tolerant, antiracists, but suddenly in 1985, they become

im not buying it. the mindset of the philly gov't and pigs was the same all throughout.

the type of people who bomb women and children in an american city, and deem that acceptable and right, would be the same type of people, who would frame and unjustly convict a black man who also "happened" to be a noted radical member of the Panthers.

are you honestly arguing otherwise? you really sticking up for a bunch of racist pigs and currupt gov't officials? re you really that guy? Seriously?

musicismylife78

furthermore, when is it okay, and acceptable to EVER have the FBI monitor a 13 year old black kid from philly who has no violent or criminal history?

Johnny Abruzzo

Bottom line: Mumia is a killer. It was proven in a court of law. At this point, yes, he has to prove his innocence. Unfortunately for him the evidence is overwhelming.

I know Philly's govt, and many residents of all colors, are racist. I did grow up here you know. That doesn't mean it's ok to kill. MOVE has nothing to do with this. It's a totally separate issue. It clearly was not handled well.

Sorry I don't know who Peltier is. And I have no idea if Knox is guilty or not. Except it seems the evidence is shaky. The evidence on Mumia is far from shaky.

pjhawks

musicismylife78 - if you want to present actual factual evidence of Mumia's innocence please feel free to do so. the fact that the city of philadelphia has had racists cops, etc. and mumia was part of a radical group that was being watched is not evidence that a murder was not committed by him. you can go back and forth for weeks with rhetoric all you want. the ed asner's of the world have already done that. Rhetoric doesn't eliminate the FACTS of the case.

threefish10

How long before vivid offer her a porn deal or she ends up in playboy or something?

Kilgore_Trout

threefish10 wrote:

How long before vivid offer her a porn deal or she ends up in playboy or something?

i'd watch that.

The Juggler

who still calls cops "pigs?" musicismylife--what are you 15?

those "pigs" risk their life for people like you. they're not all corrupt.


and when you go on a rant about Move and insinuate it took place because the police and mayor etc are a bunch of racists yet fail to realize that the mayor is an african american, you kind of lose all of your credibility. plus it had nothing to do with mumia being guilty or not.


anywho--i'm all for biel playing knox in the movie

Brony

CROJAM95 wrote:

I think Jessica Biel will be great as here in the movie that is undoubtedly going to be made :roll:

tv movie was already made......i think it starred the girl from Remember the Titans

Wma31394

Brony wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

I think Jessica Biel will be great as here in the movie that is undoubtedly going to be made :roll:

tv movie was already made......i think it starred the girl from Remember the Titans

Is that the same girl from Heroes?? It was the Hayden Penettiere or whatever her name is.

covered in bliss

musicismylife78 wrote:

what about that guede guy? was he lying? he was placed at the scene, and said the boyfriend and knox were there, then denied it. then said he saw someone who could be the boyfriend and knox's silloutte outside.

I think guede was responsible for the whole thing. He's the only one that has admitted to being there that night and his DNA was all over the place (including INSIDE Meridith). He also claims to have: -heard her screaming, -struggled with a shadowy figure, -his bloody handprint was found under meridith on a pillow. He said he got scared and ran away. He's also been in trouble for stealing before... police already had his DNA on file for previous crimes.

As for Knox showering before calling the police, she claims that she didn't see the drops of blood until she was getting out of the shower. She also saw that the toilet wasn't flushed after being used-something that the women living there never did.

after showering, Knox went out to eat with her boyfriend--- btw, she had known Sollecito for approx 2 weeks before Meridith was murdered. In the early stages of getting to know someone, how often is robbery, sexual assault and murder involved?

Lizard

I could swear I saw one of her supporters back home wearing a PJ shirt when they showed vid of them watching verdict back in Seattle.

Yes....important info to know!

RKCNDY

Lizard wrote:

I could swear I saw one of her supporters back home wearing a PJ shirt when they showed vid of them watching verdict back in Seattle.

Yes....important info to know!

I'll watch for PJ shirts when the media frenzy begins...it's been "Breaking News" all day...

musicismylife78

pjhawks wrote:

musicismylife78 - if you want to present actual factual evidence of Mumia's innocence please feel free to do so. the fact that the city of philadelphia has had racists cops, etc. and mumia was part of a radical group that was being watched is not evidence that a murder was not committed by him. you can go back and forth for weeks with rhetoric all you want. the ed asner's of the world have already done that. Rhetoric doesn't eliminate the FACTS of the case.

you keep talking about the black mayor of philly at the time. thats meaningless. and naive. you ever watched the wire, or know anything about politics, or how the government, local or federal works? when was the last time, any official acted without the approval of at least another ally? so im supposed to believe this black mayor didnt have the support of the police or officials at all? Who dropped the bomb? i can damn well guarantee it wasnt the mayor in the helicopter dropping the bomb. he had the support of the governor, the police and presumably the Feds as well. The piloting of the helicopter, the loading of the bomb, the officials and police who went into the house, thats for damn sure more than the mayor involved. So the mayor acted unilaterally? just one day decided to bomb MOVE? give me a break friend.

I'd love to discuss the mumia case pjhawks, but we have to come to some sort of agreement. you stated your case, your interpretation, and i had beef with it. then i stated my case, and you said i wasnt dealing with the facts of the case. thats a straw man argument as i said. by all means take apart my argument. The facts of the case are that mumia say his brother being brutalized by a pig. what happened next is a matter of debate. Ive posed my query that if you, pjhawks, saw your own brother being beaten by police ala rodney king or abner louima, tim thomas etc... what is the acceptable response? What can you possibly do? call the police?

Mumia was and currently is a supporter of John Africa the originator of MOVE and its mission. Ive personally seen and spoken to mario Africa a member of MOVE, several times, each time i saw him he talked about Mumia. And ive seen tapes of Ramona Africa another member of MOVE speaking in my hometown after 9/11. If you read any of his statements, mumia's statements from prison, he regularly mentions MOVE. They knew each other, MOVE and Mumia, and support each other, now and in the past as well.

I deal in the facts of the world. a world where dna evidence has proven multitudes of individuals, including the WM3 innocent of crimes. I live in the world of knowing that the prison industrial system is inherently corrupt and unjust. why exactly do black males make up more than half of the prison population in the u.s.? The criminal justice system, with the rockafeller laws, 3 strikes and your out, mandatory minimums, the expansion and buildings of more jails/prisons to house more minorities. the criminal justice system has been currupt since day 1, the native americans and settlers agreed to 403 treaties, how many do you think the settlers ended up honoring? none. I live in a world of facts. if you want to try and tell me, absurdly on a board that has seen the release of 3 individuals who were in prison 18 years and were just released, that the government isnt above railroading a black man, then you are flat out crazy.

I also am a student of history and think anyone who trusts the government is a fool.

Again, you can support the folks at FOP, notoriusly racist and intolerant, didnt the NY FOP call uncle bruce a gay slur after his 41 shots song? great group of people! You and the other republicans can all join together, preventing a black man from getting out of prison.

PJ88

musicismylife78 wrote:

mumia say his brother being brutalized by a pig.

Wow! That must have been some sight. A real live pig, Jesus H. Christ!

Johnny Abruzzo

PJ88 wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

mumia say his brother being brutalized by a pig.

Wow! That must have been some sight. A real live pig, Jesus H. Christ!

Guy is living in a fantasy world. :roll: Whatever.

PJ88

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

PJ88 wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

mumia say his brother being brutalized by a pig.

Wow! That must have been some sight. A real live pig, Jesus H. Christ!

Guy is living in a fantasy world. :roll: Whatever.

Very true. I mean he equates the tv show The Wire with real life. Total fantasy world.

pjhawks

he still hasn't presented any facts that belong to the MUMIA case.

and i give him credit, he has actually raised a topic that all us Philly people agree on - and if you see our sports threads that NEVER happens.

nothing more to be said if he is so naive not to actually deal in facts.

RKCNDY

plane just landed

RKCNDY

walked off the plane and got into a shuttle...waiting for a press conference.

she's getting a police escort