what about that guede guy? was he lying? he was placed at the scene, and said the boyfriend and knox were there, then denied it. then said he saw someone who could be the boyfriend and knox's silloutte outside.
I think guede was responsible for the whole thing. He's the only one that has admitted to being there that night and his DNA was all over the place (including INSIDE Meridith). He also claims to have: -heard her screaming, -struggled with a shadowy figure, -his bloody handprint was found under meridith on a pillow. He said he got scared and ran away. He's also been in trouble for stealing before... police already had his DNA on file for previous crimes.
As for Knox showering before calling the police, she claims that she didn't see the drops of blood until she was getting out of the shower. She also saw that the toilet wasn't flushed after being used-something that the women living there never did.
after showering, Knox went out to eat with her boyfriend--- btw, she had known Sollecito for approx 2 weeks before Meridith was murdered. In the early stages of getting to know someone, how often is robbery, sexual assault and murder involved?
I could swear I saw one of her supporters back home wearing a PJ shirt when they showed vid of them watching verdict back in Seattle.
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I'll watch for PJ shirts when the media frenzy begins...it's been "Breaking News" all day...
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musicismylife78 - if you want to present actual factual evidence of Mumia's innocence please feel free to do so. the fact that the city of philadelphia has had racists cops, etc. and mumia was part of a radical group that was being watched is not evidence that a murder was not committed by him. you can go back and forth for weeks with rhetoric all you want. the ed asner's of the world have already done that. Rhetoric doesn't eliminate the FACTS of the case.
you keep talking about the black mayor of philly at the time. thats meaningless. and naive. you ever watched the wire, or know anything about politics, or how the government, local or federal works? when was the last time, any official acted without the approval of at least another ally? so im supposed to believe this black mayor didnt have the support of the police or officials at all? Who dropped the bomb? i can damn well guarantee it wasnt the mayor in the helicopter dropping the bomb. he had the support of the governor, the police and presumably the Feds as well. The piloting of the helicopter, the loading of the bomb, the officials and police who went into the house, thats for damn sure more than the mayor involved. So the mayor acted unilaterally? just one day decided to bomb MOVE? give me a break friend.
I'd love to discuss the mumia case pjhawks, but we have to come to some sort of agreement. you stated your case, your interpretation, and i had beef with it. then i stated my case, and you said i wasnt dealing with the facts of the case. thats a straw man argument as i said. by all means take apart my argument. The facts of the case are that mumia say his brother being brutalized by a pig. what happened next is a matter of debate. Ive posed my query that if you, pjhawks, saw your own brother being beaten by police ala rodney king or abner louima, tim thomas etc... what is the acceptable response? What can you possibly do? call the police?
Mumia was and currently is a supporter of John Africa the originator of MOVE and its mission. Ive personally seen and spoken to mario Africa a member of MOVE, several times, each time i saw him he talked about Mumia. And ive seen tapes of Ramona Africa another member of MOVE speaking in my hometown after 9/11. If you read any of his statements, mumia's statements from prison, he regularly mentions MOVE. They knew each other, MOVE and Mumia, and support each other, now and in the past as well.
I deal in the facts of the world. a world where dna evidence has proven multitudes of individuals, including the WM3 innocent of crimes. I live in the world of knowing that the prison industrial system is inherently corrupt and unjust. why exactly do black males make up more than half of the prison population in the u.s.? The criminal justice system, with the rockafeller laws, 3 strikes and your out, mandatory minimums, the expansion and buildings of more jails/prisons to house more minorities. the criminal justice system has been currupt since day 1, the native americans and settlers agreed to 403 treaties, how many do you think the settlers ended up honoring? none. I live in a world of facts. if you want to try and tell me, absurdly on a board that has seen the release of 3 individuals who were in prison 18 years and were just released, that the government isnt above railroading a black man, then you are flat out crazy.
I also am a student of history and think anyone who trusts the government is a fool.
Again, you can support the folks at FOP, notoriusly racist and intolerant, didnt the NY FOP call uncle bruce a gay slur after his 41 shots song? great group of people! You and the other republicans can all join together, preventing a black man from getting out of prison.
Wow! That must have been some sight. A real live pig, Jesus H. Christ!
Guy is living in a fantasy world. :roll: Whatever.
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walked off the plane and got into a shuttle...waiting for a press conference.
she's getting a police escort
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he still hasn't presented any facts that belong to the MUMIA case.
and i give him credit, he has actually raised a topic that all us Philly people agree on - and if you see our sports threads that NEVER happens.
nothing more to be said if he is so naive not to actually deal in facts.
Haha yea. Everyone in Philly is in agreement on this one for sure. Democrats, republicans, homeless, everyone.
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Very true. I mean he equates the tv show The Wire with real life. Total fantasy world. [/quote]
dont know if this is sarcasm or not, but the wire is one of the most realistic shows ever to air. theres a reason its considered among the best tv shows of all time. david simon didnt create 5 seasons of the show to live in fantasy land and deal in fantasy, he had a pretty specific and clear objective with the show the its mission.
supposedly knox lives in the same neighborhood as the lead singer of the band we all love on this board. kind of strange.
Why's this strange? and why is it supposedly?
well im presuming the info about where she lives is correct, the media obviously isnt saying "oh she lives near a rock star". mention of landmarks and such which i assume is the same neighborhood. but its strange because i dont picture the two coexisting in the same neighborhood. thats all. which brings up the inevitable question of, wonder what ed makes of it all. surely the neighborhood was abuzz, and of course, ed, is a man of conscience, and clearly believes that the justice system is severely flawed. would be interesting to see if he felt she's innocent. for me, i immediately felt the wm3 were innocent. with knox i never had that feeling,
News reporter: [Voicing over a frontal shot of the Knox's home, during a news broadcast] Of course, there's no way to see into the Knox home without some kind of infrared heat-sensitive camera. So let's turn it on!
[Shot suddenly changes to an xray-like image of the house, with two distinct orange heat sources. One is the entire Knox family, including Amanda, sitting on the couch, the other is a turkey-shaped silhouette rotating in the oven]
News reporter: Now, this technology is new to me, but I'm pretty sure that's Amanda Knox in the oven, rotating slowly.
[Camera zooms in for a clear shot of the turkey]
News reporter: Her body temperature has risen to over 400 degrees - she's literally stewing in her own juices.
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Very true. I mean he equates the tv show The Wire with real life. Total fantasy world.
dont know if this is sarcasm or not, but the wire is one of the most realistic shows ever to air. theres a reason its considered among the best tv shows of all time. david simon didnt create 5 seasons of the show to live in fantasy land and deal in fantasy, he had a pretty specific and clear objective with the show the its mission.[/quote]
News reporter: [Voicing over a frontal shot of the Knox's home, during a news broadcast] Of course, there's no way to see into the Knox home without some kind of infrared heat-sensitive camera. So let's turn it on!
[Shot suddenly changes to an xray-like image of the house, with two distinct orange heat sources. One is the entire Knox family, including Amanda, sitting on the couch, the other is a turkey-shaped silhouette rotating in the oven]
News reporter: Now, this technology is new to me, but I'm pretty sure that's Amanda Knox in the oven, rotating slowly.
[Camera zooms in for a clear shot of the turkey]
News reporter: Her body temperature has risen to over 400 degrees - she's literally stewing in her own juices.
supposedly knox lives in the same neighborhood as the lead singer of the band we all love on this board. kind of strange.
Why's this strange? and why is it supposedly?
well im presuming the info about where she lives is correct, the media obviously isnt saying "oh she lives near a rock star". mention of landmarks and such which i assume is the same neighborhood. but its strange because i dont picture the two coexisting in the same neighborhood. thats all. which brings up the inevitable question of, wonder what ed makes of it all. surely the neighborhood was abuzz, and of course, ed, is a man of conscience, and clearly believes that the justice system is severely flawed. would be interesting to see if he felt she's innocent. for me, i immediately felt the wm3 were innocent. with knox i never had that feeling,
dude, West Seattle has a population of about 50,000 people, it's not like she lives next door to him (and if she does, so what?) the area is fairly affluent with an average income of close to $100k. Knox also went to a private Catholic school, and her parents spent over $1M on her case, the fact that she lives in 'the same area' is irrelevant.
The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.
supposedly knox lives in the same neighborhood as the lead singer of the band we all love on this board. kind of strange.
Why's this strange? and why is it supposedly?
well im presuming the info about where she lives is correct, the media obviously isnt saying "oh she lives near a rock star". mention of landmarks and such which i assume is the same neighborhood. but its strange because i dont picture the two coexisting in the same neighborhood. thats all. which brings up the inevitable question of, wonder what ed makes of it all. surely the neighborhood was abuzz, and of course, ed, is a man of conscience, and clearly believes that the justice system is severely flawed. would be interesting to see if he felt she's innocent. for me, i immediately felt the wm3 were innocent. with knox i never had that feeling,
supposedly knox lives in the same neighborhood as the lead singer of the band we all love on this board. kind of strange.
Why's this strange? and why is it supposedly?
well im presuming the info about where she lives is correct, the media obviously isnt saying "oh she lives near a rock star". mention of landmarks and such which i assume is the same neighborhood. but its strange because i dont picture the two coexisting in the same neighborhood. thats all. which brings up the inevitable question of, wonder what ed makes of it all. surely the neighborhood was abuzz, and of course, ed, is a man of conscience, and clearly believes that the justice system is severely flawed. would be interesting to see if he felt she's innocent. for me, i immediately felt the wm3 were innocent. with knox i never had that feeling,
This is true, I hear Ed called her up and said "This neighborhood isn't big enough for the both of us"
regardless of opinions, the basic tenet of any prosecution and conviction is beyond reasonable doubt. Reviewing the details of the case there is no way she should have been convicted in the first place. There was never anything that wax BRD... I'm personally glad she is free but hope the focus stays on finding the truth about what happened to Meredith kurcher.
This whole case is pretty fucked up really - everyone's pretty much forgotten Meredith in this and I feel so sorry for her family. Nobody would have given a shit about Amanda were she not 'hot'. I think it's only the American media who portray her as innocent. She lied enough for the blame to be placed squarely on her. It's an odd case and I've a feeling she got away with it. You could tell her speech in the court was an act and she was trying to force herself to cry.
Anyway, I just hope Meredith's family see justic really.
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This whole case is pretty fucked up really - everyone's pretty much forgotten Meredith in this and I feel so sorry for her family. Nobody would have given a shit about Amanda were she not 'hot'. I think it's only the American media who portray her as innocent. She lied enough for the blame to be placed squarely on her. It's an odd case and I've a feeling she got away with it. You could tell her speech in the court was an act and she was trying to force herself to cry.
Anyway, I just hope Meredith's family see justic really.
Unfortunately, the victim always gets the shaft in high profile cases like this.
It's sad but true.
Did she have anything to do with this? I'm leaning towards yes but not sure to what extent her
involvement went.
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I think guede was responsible for the whole thing. He's the only one that has admitted to being there that night and his DNA was all over the place (including INSIDE Meridith). He also claims to have: -heard her screaming, -struggled with a shadowy figure, -his bloody handprint was found under meridith on a pillow. He said he got scared and ran away. He's also been in trouble for stealing before... police already had his DNA on file for previous crimes.
As for Knox showering before calling the police, she claims that she didn't see the drops of blood until she was getting out of the shower. She also saw that the toilet wasn't flushed after being used-something that the women living there never did.
after showering, Knox went out to eat with her boyfriend--- btw, she had known Sollecito for approx 2 weeks before Meridith was murdered. In the early stages of getting to know someone, how often is robbery, sexual assault and murder involved?
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you keep talking about the black mayor of philly at the time. thats meaningless. and naive. you ever watched the wire, or know anything about politics, or how the government, local or federal works? when was the last time, any official acted without the approval of at least another ally? so im supposed to believe this black mayor didnt have the support of the police or officials at all? Who dropped the bomb? i can damn well guarantee it wasnt the mayor in the helicopter dropping the bomb. he had the support of the governor, the police and presumably the Feds as well. The piloting of the helicopter, the loading of the bomb, the officials and police who went into the house, thats for damn sure more than the mayor involved. So the mayor acted unilaterally? just one day decided to bomb MOVE? give me a break friend.
I'd love to discuss the mumia case pjhawks, but we have to come to some sort of agreement. you stated your case, your interpretation, and i had beef with it. then i stated my case, and you said i wasnt dealing with the facts of the case. thats a straw man argument as i said. by all means take apart my argument. The facts of the case are that mumia say his brother being brutalized by a pig. what happened next is a matter of debate. Ive posed my query that if you, pjhawks, saw your own brother being beaten by police ala rodney king or abner louima, tim thomas etc... what is the acceptable response? What can you possibly do? call the police?
Mumia was and currently is a supporter of John Africa the originator of MOVE and its mission. Ive personally seen and spoken to mario Africa a member of MOVE, several times, each time i saw him he talked about Mumia. And ive seen tapes of Ramona Africa another member of MOVE speaking in my hometown after 9/11. If you read any of his statements, mumia's statements from prison, he regularly mentions MOVE. They knew each other, MOVE and Mumia, and support each other, now and in the past as well.
I deal in the facts of the world. a world where dna evidence has proven multitudes of individuals, including the WM3 innocent of crimes. I live in the world of knowing that the prison industrial system is inherently corrupt and unjust. why exactly do black males make up more than half of the prison population in the u.s.? The criminal justice system, with the rockafeller laws, 3 strikes and your out, mandatory minimums, the expansion and buildings of more jails/prisons to house more minorities. the criminal justice system has been currupt since day 1, the native americans and settlers agreed to 403 treaties, how many do you think the settlers ended up honoring? none. I live in a world of facts. if you want to try and tell me, absurdly on a board that has seen the release of 3 individuals who were in prison 18 years and were just released, that the government isnt above railroading a black man, then you are flat out crazy.
I also am a student of history and think anyone who trusts the government is a fool.
Again, you can support the folks at FOP, notoriusly racist and intolerant, didnt the NY FOP call uncle bruce a gay slur after his 41 shots song? great group of people! You and the other republicans can all join together, preventing a black man from getting out of prison.
Wow! That must have been some sight. A real live pig, Jesus H. Christ!
Guy is living in a fantasy world. :roll: Whatever.
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Very true. I mean he equates the tv show The Wire with real life. Total fantasy world.
and i give him credit, he has actually raised a topic that all us Philly people agree on - and if you see our sports threads that NEVER happens.
nothing more to be said if he is so naive not to actually deal in facts.
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she's getting a police escort
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Haha yea. Everyone in Philly is in agreement on this one for sure. Democrats, republicans, homeless, everyone.
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Very true. I mean he equates the tv show The Wire with real life. Total fantasy world.
dont know if this is sarcasm or not, but the wire is one of the most realistic shows ever to air. theres a reason its considered among the best tv shows of all time. david simon didnt create 5 seasons of the show to live in fantasy land and deal in fantasy, he had a pretty specific and clear objective with the show the its mission.
Why's this strange? and why is it supposedly?
well im presuming the info about where she lives is correct, the media obviously isnt saying "oh she lives near a rock star". mention of landmarks and such which i assume is the same neighborhood. but its strange because i dont picture the two coexisting in the same neighborhood. thats all. which brings up the inevitable question of, wonder what ed makes of it all. surely the neighborhood was abuzz, and of course, ed, is a man of conscience, and clearly believes that the justice system is severely flawed. would be interesting to see if he felt she's innocent. for me, i immediately felt the wm3 were innocent. with knox i never had that feeling,
[Shot suddenly changes to an xray-like image of the house, with two distinct orange heat sources. One is the entire Knox family, including Amanda, sitting on the couch, the other is a turkey-shaped silhouette rotating in the oven]
News reporter: Now, this technology is new to me, but I'm pretty sure that's Amanda Knox in the oven, rotating slowly.
[Camera zooms in for a clear shot of the turkey]
News reporter: Her body temperature has risen to over 400 degrees - she's literally stewing in her own juices.
dont know if this is sarcasm or not, but the wire is one of the most realistic shows ever to air. theres a reason its considered among the best tv shows of all time. david simon didnt create 5 seasons of the show to live in fantasy land and deal in fantasy, he had a pretty specific and clear objective with the show the its mission.[/quote]
yes THE bruce dickinson.
dude, West Seattle has a population of about 50,000 people, it's not like she lives next door to him (and if she does, so what?) the area is fairly affluent with an average income of close to $100k. Knox also went to a private Catholic school, and her parents spent over $1M on her case, the fact that she lives in 'the same area' is irrelevant.
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This is true, I hear Ed called her up and said "This neighborhood isn't big enough for the both of us"
I was the opposite.. took me a while to change my mind about WM3, with knox, I felt it right away.
Anyway, I just hope Meredith's family see justic really.
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Unfortunately, the victim always gets the shaft in high profile cases like this.
It's sad but true.
Did she have anything to do with this? I'm leaning towards yes but not sure to what extent her
involvement went.
but "hot"?? She's not.
YEAH!
You tell him!