i know it reads like he may have both copies but he also may not. he says that he and another person (one from pjcollectors.com) have compared it. that could mean that he got his in the mail and only compared it with someone elses wia email or phone.
the inner ring imprint that he is refering to is very hard to see. its tiny, and you can only see it if you hold the lp just right.
pjcollectors.com does not provide pictures of this imprint on their website. and as far as i can tell my copy matchs theirs exactly...
Read it again. He doesn't have a friend that's a member of pjcollectors.com. He says that HE HIMSELF is a longtime member of pjcollectors.com and has compared HIS OWN ORIGINAL COPY to the one he got from Ebay.
******************************
Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm....
regardless, he hasnt written back, so id like to hear what he has to say.
what he says is missing from his fake (the inner imprint) isnt missing from mine...he also points out that the colors are different and the writing crappier, on mine they are not at all different.
anyways, id like to wait and hear what the seller told soldieroflove. i think mine is real, until someone proves otherwise.
id also like to hear from some of the other people on here who bought one of the $60 ones...
When a deal is "too good to be true" it usually is.
This $150 record is selling for $60.00 and he has over a dozen of them.
That is a huge 'Red Flag'.
Add to that a fellow member who seems to have nothing but the best interests of fellow fan club members at heart has examined it and believes it to be fake.
He could be wrong, but I would be doing all in my power to protect myself just in case.
When a deal is "too good to be true" it usually is.
This $150 record is selling for $60.00 and he has over a dozen of them.
That is a huge 'Red Flag'.
Add to that a fellow member who seems to have nothing but the best interests of fellow fan club members at heart has examined it and believes it to be fake.
He could be wrong, but I would be doing all in my power to protect myself just in case.
i agree with the "to good to be true" and im not accusing soldier of anything at all. i appreciate his input very much....
its very possible that its fake, if thats the case its a damn good fake. but just because i got it at a good price doesnt mean its fake. maybe these werent as rare as people thought....nobody knows how many were made.
i agree with the "to good to be true" and im not accusing soldier of anything at all. i appreciate his input very much....
its very possible that its fake, if thats the case its a damn good fake. but just because i got it at a good price doesnt mean its fake. maybe these werent as rare as people thought....nobody knows how many were made.
Good point....
Not to mention I would guess a perfect knock off might actually be worth $60.00?
Not to me, but if it plays perfect and looks perfect and you are happy with it, then enjoy.
I got mine today and have the same comments as southerngarden...the writing on the sleeve is purple...I can see "468 8840-A" on side 1 and "468 8840-B" on side 2 along the inner ring. but I haven't found "olake"
As far as I can tell it matches the picture on pjcollectors.com.
I understand there's a high probability that is is fake and I really don't care. I'd never pay $150+ to get a real one, but to get this one for $45 ($60-25% MS Live cashback), I'm happy.
basically thats how i feel wes...im starting to doubt that its fake though, its not easy to fake a picture disc like this...at least i dont think its that easy...
two people have left the seller positive feedback already about this lp...
can someone with a copy that they think is original tell me where the "olake" is written? in relation to what on the record face?
oh well $60 for a perfect fake is fine with me...the way i look at it, if i wanted to sell it, i could probably get way more than $60 for it. but i wont sell it, its part of my collection now.im happy.
can someone with a copy that they think is original tell me where the "olake" is written? in relation to what on the record face?
I just took mine out of its frame to look: "ORLAKE" (not olake) is faintly etched 180 degrees (i.e. directly opposite accross the spindle hole) from the "468-884-O+A" etching on side A. Similarly, the ORLAKE is 180 degrees opposite the "468-884-O+B" on side B. Note that those are the exact etchings- NOT "468 8840-A" and "468 8840-B" as you wrote in your post. Double check that etching to be sure it matches.
The orientation of the etching I don't think matters. You said yours goes over the "I" in OFFICIAL, but mine is in-between the I and the cursive "m" in Jam. But given your orientation (and if other records are indeed like mine), your ORLAKE should be written around or near the space between the "a" and top of the "l" in Pearl.
The ORLAKE etch is definitely fainter on both sides, so you'll have to look a bit harder to see it in the light.
I just took mine out of its frame to look: "ORLAKE" (not olake) is faintly etched 180 degrees (i.e. directly opposite accross the spindle hole) from the "468-884-O+A" etching on side A. Similarly, the ORLAKE is 180 degrees opposite the "468-884-O+B" on side B. Note that those are the exact etchings- NOT "468 8840-A" and "468 8840-B" as you wrote in your post. Double check that etching to be sure it matches.
Let me know if this helps.
Hey, I didn't buy one of these disputed records off Ebay, but I did want to thank you for taking the time to look. I'm curious to see how this turns out. It would be pretty sweet if about 10 people got REAL copies for $60 a piece. **It also appears that the seller has "wised-up"...as he now has this listed at $150!!
These things might indeed be real. Maybe the guy who earlier claimed they weren't real was just trying to discourage people from bidding so that he could win the auction at a cheaper price???
******************************
Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm....
Sorry my late response but I couldn't check the forum earlier.
1. First of all I have compared the fake copy with my own original copy. So I called no friend or something else.
2. The color of the words "Pearl Jam" on the outside of the plastic sleeve is purple, not black. But the colors, especially the organge on the record are slightly different. You can only see it if you have both copies in fron of you.
3. As some of you have told they could find the imprint on the inner ring I have checked the fake copy again. Indeed it's there BUT very very badly viewable. On the original copy you see it very clearly. That also shows that you can not find the word "ORLAKE" or only very bad viewable on the inner ring because it's just a copy of the original.
4. I have made some pics of the fake:
In the first pic you can see the catalog number and "PX" which is printed on the backside of the insert. The numbers are grey but on the original copy they are clearly purple. You can see it also on the PJCollectors site. On the other pic you can see the bad printing on the bottom. Compare it to the original which is printed clearly.
5. I have started a Paypal complaint. I can ship the record back to the seller (on my own costs!!!) and he will refund my money. I think this shows everything. How can he have so many copies? I have spoken with other Pearl Jam collectors. They have found fake copies on European record fairs for 20 Euro or 25 Dollar.
So that's all I can say. Now you can make your own decision. Maybe the seller has also shipped originals but I really doubt this.
Edit: These are the exact etchings: "468-884-0+A'" and "ORLAKE" on side A and "468-884-0+B"
In the first pic you can see the catalog number and "PX" which is printed on the backside of the insert. The numbers are grey but on the original copy they are clearly black. You can see it also on the PJCollectors site. On the other pic you can see the bad printing on the bottom. Compare it to the original which is printed clearly.
Just for comparison to help in sorting this all out, here's a scan of my insert in comparison to the "fakes" listed here:
Holy crap...now I'm SUPER confused. So, just to be sure....the one you received from the Ebayer for $60 is on the LEFT. The one that soldier of love claims to have gotten is on the RIGHT. So you both got something different? The one on the right definitely looks like a fake....but that one on the left looks good to me. Weird.
******************************
Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm....
thanks andy and soldier. looks like i bought a good fake...oh well...im probably going to keep it. may leave the seller a negative feedback for selling me something that i didnt agree to buy, a fake copy of what he described.
thanks for all the help....
never did find "orlake" on either side of my record. plus, the catalog number is written without a "+" sign as i wrote in my earlier posts....
Should we assume there are a lot of fakes out there? I have been looking for one for a while, but after what I have read here, my gut tells me this is fake too....
Just noticed this thread, wish I'd seen it earlier. This item was being sold wholesale to record dealers at a music fair in London last month. They originate from Austria and were selling for £10.00 ($20.00) a piece. I didn't buy one, but if I didn't have the original, I may have been tempted.
I would guess there was about 30 or 40 left in the box when I saw them, I asked how many many the guy had and his reply was basically "how many do you want?". This would suggest to me that they will be re-pressed until demand has dried up.
The guy also had alternative Ten Lp picture discs using the album cover artwork and Vs Lp picture discs. There was about 10 different Maiden and Metallica picture discs plus White Stripes coloured vinyl, also Beatles, Stones, Floyd, Muse and countless others. Interestingly the basketball picture disc was one of only a few copied items I could see, the rest were nearly all items that had never been officially released in the first place (Vs picture disc etc).
I can understand the initial excitement at picking up this rarity for $60.00 on ebay, but the old adage "if it looks to good to be true, it probably is" seems quite appropriate in this case.
If I had bought one, I would still stick it in a frame and hang it on the wall, it's still a great looking item.
glad I used paypal I asked for a refund from the seller and within 5 minutes he'd given me my money back. He wanted me to send him the item back. Haven't done it. Yet.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
glad I used paypal I asked for a refund from the seller and within 5 minutes he'd given me my money back. He wanted me to send him the item back. Haven't done it. Yet.
When did you ask him for a refund? My Paypal complaint is still is process and I'm still waiting for my money!c
Comments
Read it again. He doesn't have a friend that's a member of pjcollectors.com. He says that HE HIMSELF is a longtime member of pjcollectors.com and has compared HIS OWN ORIGINAL COPY to the one he got from Ebay.
Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm....
what he says is missing from his fake (the inner imprint) isnt missing from mine...he also points out that the colors are different and the writing crappier, on mine they are not at all different.
anyways, id like to wait and hear what the seller told soldieroflove. i think mine is real, until someone proves otherwise.
id also like to hear from some of the other people on here who bought one of the $60 ones...
This $150 record is selling for $60.00 and he has over a dozen of them.
That is a huge 'Red Flag'.
Add to that a fellow member who seems to have nothing but the best interests of fellow fan club members at heart has examined it and believes it to be fake.
He could be wrong, but I would be doing all in my power to protect myself just in case.
i agree with the "to good to be true" and im not accusing soldier of anything at all. i appreciate his input very much....
its very possible that its fake, if thats the case its a damn good fake. but just because i got it at a good price doesnt mean its fake. maybe these werent as rare as people thought....nobody knows how many were made.
Good point....
Not to mention I would guess a perfect knock off might actually be worth $60.00?
Not to me, but if it plays perfect and looks perfect and you are happy with it, then enjoy.
thats what im saying...how can i tell its fake? i personally cannont, and im the only one it matters to...
i would like to hear from others that have a real one or one of the $60 ones...or are they the same?
EDIT: my copy sounds great too...i listened to the whole thing...
As far as I can tell it matches the picture on pjcollectors.com.
I understand there's a high probability that is is fake and I really don't care. I'd never pay $150+ to get a real one, but to get this one for $45 ($60-25% MS Live cashback), I'm happy.
Wes
two people have left the seller positive feedback already about this lp...
can someone with a copy that they think is original tell me where the "olake" is written? in relation to what on the record face?
oh well $60 for a perfect fake is fine with me...the way i look at it, if i wanted to sell it, i could probably get way more than $60 for it. but i wont sell it, its part of my collection now.im happy.
I just took mine out of its frame to look: "ORLAKE" (not olake) is faintly etched 180 degrees (i.e. directly opposite accross the spindle hole) from the "468-884-O+A" etching on side A. Similarly, the ORLAKE is 180 degrees opposite the "468-884-O+B" on side B. Note that those are the exact etchings- NOT "468 8840-A" and "468 8840-B" as you wrote in your post. Double check that etching to be sure it matches.
The orientation of the etching I don't think matters. You said yours goes over the "I" in OFFICIAL, but mine is in-between the I and the cursive "m" in Jam. But given your orientation (and if other records are indeed like mine), your ORLAKE should be written around or near the space between the "a" and top of the "l" in Pearl.
The ORLAKE etch is definitely fainter on both sides, so you'll have to look a bit harder to see it in the light.
Let me know if this helps.
Hey, I didn't buy one of these disputed records off Ebay, but I did want to thank you for taking the time to look. I'm curious to see how this turns out. It would be pretty sweet if about 10 people got REAL copies for $60 a piece. **It also appears that the seller has "wised-up"...as he now has this listed at $150!!
These things might indeed be real. Maybe the guy who earlier claimed they weren't real was just trying to discourage people from bidding so that he could win the auction at a cheaper price???
Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm....
1. First of all I have compared the fake copy with my own original copy. So I called no friend or something else.
2. The color of the words "Pearl Jam" on the outside of the plastic sleeve is purple, not black. But the colors, especially the organge on the record are slightly different. You can only see it if you have both copies in fron of you.
3. As some of you have told they could find the imprint on the inner ring I have checked the fake copy again. Indeed it's there BUT very very badly viewable. On the original copy you see it very clearly. That also shows that you can not find the word "ORLAKE" or only very bad viewable on the inner ring because it's just a copy of the original.
4. I have made some pics of the fake:
In the first pic you can see the catalog number and "PX" which is printed on the backside of the insert. The numbers are grey but on the original copy they are clearly purple. You can see it also on the PJCollectors site. On the other pic you can see the bad printing on the bottom. Compare it to the original which is printed clearly.
5. I have started a Paypal complaint. I can ship the record back to the seller (on my own costs!!!) and he will refund my money. I think this shows everything. How can he have so many copies? I have spoken with other Pearl Jam collectors. They have found fake copies on European record fairs for 20 Euro or 25 Dollar.
So that's all I can say. Now you can make your own decision. Maybe the seller has also shipped originals but I really doubt this.
Edit: These are the exact etchings: "468-884-0+A'" and "ORLAKE" on side A and "468-884-0+B"
I have ORLAKE on both sides of my vinyl. You sure it isn't on both sides of your original copy?
Just for comparison to help in sorting this all out, here's a scan of my insert in comparison to the "fakes" listed here:
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc330/AndySlash/bball.jpg
Holy crap...now I'm SUPER confused. So, just to be sure....the one you received from the Ebayer for $60 is on the LEFT. The one that soldier of love claims to have gotten is on the RIGHT. So you both got something different? The one on the right definitely looks like a fake....but that one on the left looks good to me. Weird.
Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm....
My copy is on the left. soldier's ebay purchase is on the right.
Got it....so what we have is an Ebayer selling absolute FAKES. Bummer...it's too bad when stuff like this happens to good Pearl Jam fans.
Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm....
Edit: Be aware of this: http://cgi.ebay.com/PEARL-JAM-TEN-BASKETBALL-PICTURE-DISK_W0QQitemZ330288126217QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item330288126217&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
No problem. I figured that, since I have the record right next to me whenever I'm at my computer, I might as well try and help.
nice -looks fake to me
Fake!
thanks for all the help....
never did find "orlake" on either side of my record. plus, the catalog number is written without a "+" sign as i wrote in my earlier posts....
fake.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/PEARL-JAM-OFFICIAL-TEN-Picture-Vinyl-LP_W0QQitemZ260319287012QQ
http://lnx.pjcollectors.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=890
I would guess there was about 30 or 40 left in the box when I saw them, I asked how many many the guy had and his reply was basically "how many do you want?". This would suggest to me that they will be re-pressed until demand has dried up.
The guy also had alternative Ten Lp picture discs using the album cover artwork and Vs Lp picture discs. There was about 10 different Maiden and Metallica picture discs plus White Stripes coloured vinyl, also Beatles, Stones, Floyd, Muse and countless others. Interestingly the basketball picture disc was one of only a few copied items I could see, the rest were nearly all items that had never been officially released in the first place (Vs picture disc etc).
I can understand the initial excitement at picking up this rarity for $60.00 on ebay, but the old adage "if it looks to good to be true, it probably is" seems quite appropriate in this case.
If I had bought one, I would still stick it in a frame and hang it on the wall, it's still a great looking item.
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
11/22. The day after I received it.
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
i may ask for a refund...but i wont got to the trouble or expense of sending it back to him, just so he can rip someone else off....
im over it....but thanks for the new info!