U.S. born Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    Another view- this from Matthew Rothschild, editor of The Progressive magazine:

    http://www.progressive.org/al_awlaki.html

    "Forgive me while I don’t cheer the assassination of Anwar Al-Awlaki, the New Mexico-born cleric whom the United States just killed in Yemen.

    He was a U.S. citizen, after all.

    He had never been indicted for a crime here, much less convicted of one, much less sentenced to death.

    Still, the President rubbed him out.

    We are told that he was a high-ranking member of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and there is some evidence that his preachings influenced Al Qaeda terrorists, including a few of the 9/11 attackers and the shoe bomber.

    He’s no angel. No doubt about that.

    But does that give the President the right to summarily execute a U.S. citizen?"

    Did FDR have the right to murder Ezra Pound during World War II for vocally supporting the fascists?

    President Obama asserts that right, not just to bump off Al-Awlaki but also other U.S. citizens, too.

    On what basis? Where will it end?

    The ACLU, which, along with the Center for Constitutional Rights, represented Al-Awlaki’s father last year in an attempt to block his assassination, denounced this action.

    "The targeted killing program violates both U.S. and international law,” says ACLU deputy legal director Jameel Jaffer. “This is a program under which American citizens far from any battlefield can be executed by their own government without judicial process, and on the basis of standards and evidence that are kept secret not just from the public but from the courts. The government's authority to use lethal force against its own citizens should be limited to circumstances in which the threat to life is concrete, specific and imminent. It is a mistake to invest the President – any President – with the unreviewable power to kill any American whom he deems to present a threat to the country."

    “If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the President does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state,” added Ben Wizner, ACLU National Security Project litigation director.

    Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul, much to his credit, also objected to the hit.

    “To start assassinating American citizens without charges—we should think very seriously about this,” Paul said.

    Yes, we should.

    Who does Obama think he is, Michael Corleone?

    His Justice Department went into court last year to make the claim that no judge in the entire United States has the right to oversee the President’s assassination policy.

    The President has become judge, juror, and literally executioner, and that’s not the way our system is supposed to work.

    And it sets a new low, and a terrible precedent, for the abuse of Presidential powers."
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?

    this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.

    if this is illegal i want obama impeached...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?

    this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.

    if this is illegal i want obama impeached...


    It's kinda funny that you are asking about the constitutionality of the cia's actions. This guy pointed this out over a year ago and was called a kook and a liar and that no such program existed.

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articl ... 198/43208/
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?

    this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.

    if this is illegal i want obama impeached...

    I wish I know how accurate this article is. Matthew Rothschild is usually well informed and I can't imagine him jumping to wild conclusions. I also can't help but wonder how much control Obama had over this incident. As with so many things, we may never know.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    brianlux wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?

    this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.

    if this is illegal i want obama impeached...

    I wish I know how accurate this article is. Matthew Rothschild is usually well informed and I can't imagine him jumping to wild conclusions. I also can't help but wonder how much control Obama had over this incident. As with so many things, we may never know.


    if i had to guess it will go like this...if it is legal he will take full credit for masterminding yet another blow to al Qaeda...if it is illegal, he had no idea or could not recall any of the answers we may be looking for...

    executive orders to kill us citizens...this is certainly change I can believe in...
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  • Chip McFlennigan
    Chip McFlennigan Posts: 1,162
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i wonder how many millions of dollars we spent to get this one guy?

    i guarantee a hundred thousand more americans could have health insurance for that price.

    our priorities are so fucked up...

    Or they could . . . get their own insurance. :o
    I knew it all along, see?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?

    this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.

    if this is illegal i want obama impeached...



    When are you just going to give in and do what's right and support Ron Paul? 100 years from now?


    A President ordered the assassination of a US Citizen without charging him with a crime, this is not the road we should be on. Ron Paul is right.
  • Chip McFlennigan
    Chip McFlennigan Posts: 1,162
    unsung wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?

    this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.

    if this is illegal i want obama impeached...



    When are you just going to give in and do what's right and support Ron Paul? 100 years from now?


    A President ordered the assassination of a US Citizen without charging him with a crime, this is not the road we should be on. Ron Paul is right.

    Another RP lover? Have fun with that sinking ship. He's just as big a piece of shit as Obama and the rest of these thugs in suits who hang out at the same country clubs.
    I knew it all along, see?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    Another thread sinking into the abyss of sarcasm and negativity. Movin' on...
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,795
    johnny america wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i wonder how many millions of dollars we spent to get this one guy?

    i guarantee a hundred thousand more americans could have health insurance for that price.

    our priorities are so fucked up...

    Or they could . . . get their own insurance. :o
    just like cops and firefighters. Care to continue with smartass remarks?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    mickeyrat wrote:
    johnny america wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i wonder how many millions of dollars we spent to get this one guy?

    i guarantee a hundred thousand more americans could have health insurance for that price.

    our priorities are so fucked up...

    Or they could . . . get their own insurance. :o
    just like cops and firefighters. Care to continue with smartass remarks?
    pretty much....
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    the ironic thing about this situation is the liberals are outraged by it and the conservatives are jizzing themselves over it.. yet no conservatives are going to give obama credit for doing or accomplishing anything that the conservatives want him to...

    obama can come flat out in his next speech and say "my fellow americans, i am begging each and every one of you to vote for my republican opponent in 2012!!" and the republicans would even disagree with him on that point...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,795
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    the ironic thing about this situation is the liberals are outraged by it and the conservatives are jizzing themselves over it.. yet no conservatives are going to give obama credit for doing or accomplishing anything that the conservatives want him to...

    obama can come flat out in his next speech and say "my fellow americans, i am begging each and every one of you to vote for my republican opponent in 2012!!" and the republicans would even agree with him on that point...
    fixed. :mrgreen:
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Good riddance motherfucker. The world is a better place with your terrorist ass crushed by an 800 pound exploding missle.
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?

    this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.

    if this is illegal i want obama impeached...

    Shit, this and bin laden are the two best things BHO has done in office.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?

    this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.

    if this is illegal i want obama impeached...

    Shit, this and bin laden are the two best things BHO has done in office.

    So usama, does BHO get your vote next election?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    mickeyrat wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    the ironic thing about this situation is the liberals are outraged by it and the conservatives are jizzing themselves over it.. yet no conservatives are going to give obama credit for doing or accomplishing anything that the conservatives want him to...

    obama can come flat out in his next speech and say "my fellow americans, i am begging each and every one of you to vote for my republican opponent in 2012!!" and the republicans would even agree with him on that point...
    fixed. :mrgreen:
    no, that wasn't fixed....they would DISAGREE with him if he said to vote for republicans, for a few reasons.

    1. they are opposed to everything he says and does, even when they voted for parts of it already..ie. the new jobs bill...so why would they agree with him on that one thing?

    2. then they would actually have to make decisions and negotiate and LEAD instead of sitting back and throwing stones and crying "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!" at every thing that gets proposed.. it is easy to be the minority party. you just hold your breath like a 3 year old, become the "party of no!!" and refuse to support anything for 4 whole years until you get a chance to get your guy back in there..

    i think they are just pissed off because an african american is doing the things that bush and cheney failed to do.

    i still want an investigation and if this is confirmed that another american citizen has been summarily executed by this administration, i want an impeachment proceeding.
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  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    the world will always produce evil sick people and war will always come about for reasons that we cannot control! Its best to take these guys out whenever possible! Our technology is growing stronger and more covert, therefore unmanned toys can take these guys out! Its great! Obama should get only a very small percentage of the credit! PERIOD!

    We could take America off of the map and and these terrorists would find another place to attack! They dont have anything better to do! There has always been war.....there will always be war! With or without USA!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    fear4freedom wrote:
    There has always been war.....there will always be war! With or without USA!

    Actually, Japan had something like 700 years of peace at one time. We should never cease trying to stop war- it's the sensible thing to do.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    brianlux wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    There has always been war.....there will always be war! With or without USA!

    Actually, Japan had something like 700 years of peace at one time. We should never cease trying to stop war- it's the sensible thing to do.

    Agreed...
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