people comment on that all the time. literally all the time. haven't seen a week go by where comments regarding the origin and the perpetuation of the group aren't made(double negative I know). It rings true every time. They will not stop until we are out of the middle east and our only contact is trade/economic and it doesn't involve us trying to throw our weight around like we own the place. Whether we like it or not, the "war" will never end until that happens...could go on for thousands of years...The strange part is that we all talk about how the region has been fighting for thousands of years, and it is always a who started it argument...now we are at the start of what could be hundreds of years from now, a who started it argument involving the US...I just hope we realize as a government before it is too late and just get the hell out of the way. If they want to destroy themselves let them, there is no reason to continue to provoke generational hatred against Americans.
bring 'em home. that is all that needs to be said. Ridding the world of an evil angry person is all fine and good, call me when you get them all and I will have a cupcake waiting. might even make it myself.
and speaking of Ron Paul. For all the liberals who choke every time they consider voting or supporting a republican...this shit will end if you support Paul. We may get attacked again, but it won't be because our government is on foreign soil dictating how others live their lives...at least at that point we will have an answer for who started it. Support someone who will stop the wars if you want them to end, support someone who will stand up against perpetual warfare... Or support Obama or anyone else and see four more years of creating new enemies while trying to kill old ones all the while complaining about it...Your choice.
if you goto the ron paul thread ... i said that everyone should vote for him ...
people comment on that all the time. literally all the time. haven't seen a week go by where comments regarding the origin and the perpetuation of the group aren't made(double negative I know). It rings true every time. They will not stop until we are out of the middle east and our only contact is trade/economic and it doesn't involve us trying to throw our weight around like we own the place. Whether we like it or not, the "war" will never end until that happens...could go on for thousands of years...The strange part is that we all talk about how the region has been fighting for thousands of years, and it is always a who started it argument...now we are at the start of what could be hundreds of years from now, a who started it argument involving the US...I just hope we realize as a government before it is too late and just get the hell out of the way. If they want to destroy themselves let them, there is no reason to continue to provoke generational hatred against Americans.
bring 'em home. that is all that needs to be said. Ridding the world of an evil angry person is all fine and good, call me when you get them all and I will have a cupcake waiting. might even make it myself.
and speaking of Ron Paul. For all the liberals who choke every time they consider voting or supporting a republican...this shit will end if you support Paul. We may get attacked again, but it won't be because our government is on foreign soil dictating how others live their lives...at least at that point we will have an answer for who started it. Support someone who will stop the wars if you want them to end, support someone who will stand up against perpetual warfare... Or support Obama or anyone else and see four more years of creating new enemies while trying to kill old ones all the while complaining about it...Your choice.
if you goto the ron paul thread ... i said that everyone should vote for him ...
I wasnt necessarily talking to you specifically
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Oh please. Killing him stops a top leader from managing more attacks. I hate war and agree we must do only what is necessary, but going after these top terrorists is an absolute must to me. Are we supposed to stand around and let them become strong?
every time you kill someone or torture someone - you are making them stronger ... these guys are replaceable ... there is no mastermind ... someone else just takes his place ...
again - until americans realize why there are groups like al qaeda ... there is no winning this war ...
When a top official is replaced, communication in the group changes. Changes slow them down and disrupt plans. They do not get stronger, they get disorganized. Yes, they will be mad. But it is better than allowing them to establish a strong group like the one that existed pre 9/11.
Oh please. Killing him stops a top leader from managing more attacks. I hate war and agree we must do only what is necessary, but going after these top terrorists is an absolute must to me. Are we supposed to stand around and let them become strong?
every time you kill someone or torture someone - you are making them stronger ... these guys are replaceable ... there is no mastermind ... someone else just takes his place ...
again - until americans realize why there are groups like al qaeda ... there is no winning this war ...
When a top official is replaced, communication in the group changes. Changes slow them down and disrupt plans. They do not get stronger, they get disorganized. Yes, they will be mad. But it is better than allowing them to establish a strong group like the one that existed pre 9/11.
Couldn't it also cause some dissension in the ranks? I mean, when a CEO leaves a company, they pick a new one and the company moves on with that new vision. And the other top people that didn't get the job move on to other organizations generally.
So couldn't removing a leader cause a split in the group? You may end up with more, smaller groups but there is no way they can be as effective on a global scale.
I think some people are discounting how important leadership is.
When a top official is replaced, communication in the group changes. Changes slow them down and disrupt plans. They do not get stronger, they get disorganized. Yes, they will be mad. But it is better than allowing them to establish a strong group like the one that existed pre 9/11.
i'm sorry but i don't see the relevance ...
ultimately, it boils down to this: is america/world safer now? ... are lives potentially saved? ... my answer to both those questions is a definitive no ...
When a top official is replaced, communication in the group changes. Changes slow them down and disrupt plans. They do not get stronger, they get disorganized. Yes, they will be mad. But it is better than allowing them to establish a strong group like the one that existed pre 9/11.
i'm sorry but i don't see the relevance ...
ultimately, it boils down to this: is america/world safer now? ... are lives potentially saved? ... my answer to both those questions is a definitive no ...
is peace even a goal?
What's a realistic option? The U.S. is not just going to withdraw from all "muslim lands." I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, but it's just not going to happen. I definitely wish our foreign policy would change in regards to our country's blanket support fo Israel though. I don't support murder, but if you don't think that these terrorist individuals should be killed, what should we do? Just let them continue to plan attacks?
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When a top official is replaced, communication in the group changes. Changes slow them down and disrupt plans. They do not get stronger, they get disorganized. Yes, they will be mad. But it is better than allowing them to establish a strong group like the one that existed pre 9/11.
i'm sorry but i don't see the relevance ...
ultimately, it boils down to this: is america/world safer now? ... are lives potentially saved? ... my answer to both those questions is a definitive no ...
is peace even a goal?
How can you conceivebly think the world is not at all safer? A United States soldier killed 13 of his comrades at the urging of this man. Killing him takes away the possibility of him personally brainwashing another, or the failed terrorists who followed him. Sure his nonsense is still out there but he can't add to it or speak personally with potential terrorists. Is there a possibility that another asshat can take his spot? sure, but he worked very hard to get where he was and was very influential. I don't think another like him will emerge easily.
When a top official is replaced, communication in the group changes. Changes slow them down and disrupt plans. They do not get stronger, they get disorganized. Yes, they will be mad. But it is better than allowing them to establish a strong group like the one that existed pre 9/11.
i'm sorry but i don't see the relevance ...
ultimately, it boils down to this: is america/world safer now? ... are lives potentially saved? ... my answer to both those questions is a definitive no ...
is peace even a goal?
What's a realistic option? The U.S. is not just going to withdraw from all "muslim lands." I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, but it's just not going to happen. I definitely wish our foreign policy would change in regards to our country's blanket support fo Israel though. I don't support murder, but if you don't think that these terrorist individuals should be killed, what should we do? Just let them continue to plan attacks?
Apparently we should ask him nicely to stop. Note to Obama, make sure you say please and thank you. Might want to think about sending a fruit basket.
I neither celebrate nor mourn this death because it changes nothing.
Why? Because the way Al Qeada is structured is the way we (the U.S.) designed it. Yes... we taught the Mujahadin how to mesh small, autonomous factions into a web, rather than a hierarchy so it could survive losses against superior Soviet forces. That's why it is a network, rather than an army. It is not their design structure... it is ours.
Even if we kill this guy... the web still operates and subordinates get resources from another command operator. It's actually... a pretty nice design at a strategic/tactical level. It allows a relatively small number of commanders operate with little communication and virtually no authorization required. It can take, otherwise, devastating blows and continue to function. Perfect if you are a small number of untrainned combatants taking on a force that is superior in numbers, weaponry and technology... like the Soviets.
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Add: Does anyone think I.E.Ds were invented in Iraq? Those 'Hit and Run' tactics were taught to 'Freedom Fighter' Bin Laden himself, by our intelligence agents and military advisors. It worked like a charm against Soviet armored divisions. It wore down the Soviet people who became disillusioned with the war when the broken bodies of their soldiers told them the truth about what was going on over there. The only thing that has changed are the markings on the tanks.
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The path to victory: Change our decades long fucked up Foriegn Policy in the Middle East. Buy their fucking oil, get a receipt and quit meddling in their domestic affairs.
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Another view- this from Matthew Rothschild, editor of The Progressive magazine:
"Forgive me while I don’t cheer the assassination of Anwar Al-Awlaki, the New Mexico-born cleric whom the United States just killed in Yemen.
He was a U.S. citizen, after all.
He had never been indicted for a crime here, much less convicted of one, much less sentenced to death.
Still, the President rubbed him out.
We are told that he was a high-ranking member of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and there is some evidence that his preachings influenced Al Qaeda terrorists, including a few of the 9/11 attackers and the shoe bomber.
He’s no angel. No doubt about that.
But does that give the President the right to summarily execute a U.S. citizen?"
Did FDR have the right to murder Ezra Pound during World War II for vocally supporting the fascists?
President Obama asserts that right, not just to bump off Al-Awlaki but also other U.S. citizens, too.
On what basis? Where will it end?
The ACLU, which, along with the Center for Constitutional Rights, represented Al-Awlaki’s father last year in an attempt to block his assassination, denounced this action.
"The targeted killing program violates both U.S. and international law,” says ACLU deputy legal director Jameel Jaffer. “This is a program under which American citizens far from any battlefield can be executed by their own government without judicial process, and on the basis of standards and evidence that are kept secret not just from the public but from the courts. The government's authority to use lethal force against its own citizens should be limited to circumstances in which the threat to life is concrete, specific and imminent. It is a mistake to invest the President – any President – with the unreviewable power to kill any American whom he deems to present a threat to the country."
“If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the President does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state,” added Ben Wizner, ACLU National Security Project litigation director.
Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul, much to his credit, also objected to the hit.
“To start assassinating American citizens without charges—we should think very seriously about this,” Paul said.
Yes, we should.
Who does Obama think he is, Michael Corleone?
His Justice Department went into court last year to make the claim that no judge in the entire United States has the right to oversee the President’s assassination policy.
The President has become judge, juror, and literally executioner, and that’s not the way our system is supposed to work.
And it sets a new low, and a terrible precedent, for the abuse of Presidential powers."
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how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?
this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.
if this is illegal i want obama impeached...
It's kinda funny that you are asking about the constitutionality of the cia's actions. This guy pointed this out over a year ago and was called a kook and a liar and that no such program existed.
how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?
this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.
if this is illegal i want obama impeached...
I wish I know how accurate this article is. Matthew Rothschild is usually well informed and I can't imagine him jumping to wild conclusions. I also can't help but wonder how much control Obama had over this incident. As with so many things, we may never know.
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how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?
this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.
if this is illegal i want obama impeached...
I wish I know how accurate this article is. Matthew Rothschild is usually well informed and I can't imagine him jumping to wild conclusions. I also can't help but wonder how much control Obama had over this incident. As with so many things, we may never know.
if i had to guess it will go like this...if it is legal he will take full credit for masterminding yet another blow to al Qaeda...if it is illegal, he had no idea or could not recall any of the answers we may be looking for...
executive orders to kill us citizens...this is certainly change I can believe in...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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- Joe Rogan
how is it legal for the american government to kill one of it's citizens without due process?
this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.
if this is illegal i want obama impeached...
When are you just going to give in and do what's right and support Ron Paul? 100 years from now?
A President ordered the assassination of a US Citizen without charging him with a crime, this is not the road we should be on. Ron Paul is right.
Another RP lover? Have fun with that sinking ship. He's just as big a piece of shit as Obama and the rest of these thugs in suits who hang out at the same country clubs.
I knew it all along, see?
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Another thread sinking into the abyss of sarcasm and negativity. Movin' on...
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the ironic thing about this situation is the liberals are outraged by it and the conservatives are jizzing themselves over it.. yet no conservatives are going to give obama credit for doing or accomplishing anything that the conservatives want him to...
obama can come flat out in his next speech and say "my fellow americans, i am begging each and every one of you to vote for my republican opponent in 2012!!" and the republicans would even disagree with him on that point...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the ironic thing about this situation is the liberals are outraged by it and the conservatives are jizzing themselves over it.. yet no conservatives are going to give obama credit for doing or accomplishing anything that the conservatives want him to...
obama can come flat out in his next speech and say "my fellow americans, i am begging each and every one of you to vote for my republican opponent in 2012!!" and the republicans would even agree with him on that point...
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
the ironic thing about this situation is the liberals are outraged by it and the conservatives are jizzing themselves over it.. yet no conservatives are going to give obama credit for doing or accomplishing anything that the conservatives want him to...
obama can come flat out in his next speech and say "my fellow americans, i am begging each and every one of you to vote for my republican opponent in 2012!!" and the republicans would even agree with him on that point...
fixed.
no, that wasn't fixed....they would DISAGREE with him if he said to vote for republicans, for a few reasons.
1. they are opposed to everything he says and does, even when they voted for parts of it already..ie. the new jobs bill...so why would they agree with him on that one thing?
2. then they would actually have to make decisions and negotiate and LEAD instead of sitting back and throwing stones and crying "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!" at every thing that gets proposed.. it is easy to be the minority party. you just hold your breath like a 3 year old, become the "party of no!!" and refuse to support anything for 4 whole years until you get a chance to get your guy back in there..
i think they are just pissed off because an african american is doing the things that bush and cheney failed to do.
i still want an investigation and if this is confirmed that another american citizen has been summarily executed by this administration, i want an impeachment proceeding.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the world will always produce evil sick people and war will always come about for reasons that we cannot control! Its best to take these guys out whenever possible! Our technology is growing stronger and more covert, therefore unmanned toys can take these guys out! Its great! Obama should get only a very small percentage of the credit! PERIOD!
We could take America off of the map and and these terrorists would find another place to attack! They dont have anything better to do! There has always been war.....there will always be war! With or without USA!
Theres no time like the present
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if you goto the ron paul thread ... i said that everyone should vote for him ...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
When a top official is replaced, communication in the group changes. Changes slow them down and disrupt plans. They do not get stronger, they get disorganized. Yes, they will be mad. But it is better than allowing them to establish a strong group like the one that existed pre 9/11.
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Couldn't it also cause some dissension in the ranks? I mean, when a CEO leaves a company, they pick a new one and the company moves on with that new vision. And the other top people that didn't get the job move on to other organizations generally.
So couldn't removing a leader cause a split in the group? You may end up with more, smaller groups but there is no way they can be as effective on a global scale.
I think some people are discounting how important leadership is.
i'm sorry but i don't see the relevance ...
ultimately, it boils down to this: is america/world safer now? ... are lives potentially saved? ... my answer to both those questions is a definitive no ...
is peace even a goal?
What's a realistic option? The U.S. is not just going to withdraw from all "muslim lands." I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, but it's just not going to happen. I definitely wish our foreign policy would change in regards to our country's blanket support fo Israel though. I don't support murder, but if you don't think that these terrorist individuals should be killed, what should we do? Just let them continue to plan attacks?
How can you conceivebly think the world is not at all safer? A United States soldier killed 13 of his comrades at the urging of this man. Killing him takes away the possibility of him personally brainwashing another, or the failed terrorists who followed him. Sure his nonsense is still out there but he can't add to it or speak personally with potential terrorists. Is there a possibility that another asshat can take his spot? sure, but he worked very hard to get where he was and was very influential. I don't think another like him will emerge easily.
Apparently we should ask him nicely to stop. Note to Obama, make sure you say please and thank you. Might want to think about sending a fruit basket.
not that we would ever consider using that on the "turrists" though....
we are never going to win the "war on turr" doing what we are doing now.
the only way to win a war on a tactic, which is what terrorism is, is not to fight..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Why? Because the way Al Qeada is structured is the way we (the U.S.) designed it. Yes... we taught the Mujahadin how to mesh small, autonomous factions into a web, rather than a hierarchy so it could survive losses against superior Soviet forces. That's why it is a network, rather than an army. It is not their design structure... it is ours.
Even if we kill this guy... the web still operates and subordinates get resources from another command operator. It's actually... a pretty nice design at a strategic/tactical level. It allows a relatively small number of commanders operate with little communication and virtually no authorization required. It can take, otherwise, devastating blows and continue to function. Perfect if you are a small number of untrainned combatants taking on a force that is superior in numbers, weaponry and technology... like the Soviets.
...
Add: Does anyone think I.E.Ds were invented in Iraq? Those 'Hit and Run' tactics were taught to 'Freedom Fighter' Bin Laden himself, by our intelligence agents and military advisors. It worked like a charm against Soviet armored divisions. It wore down the Soviet people who became disillusioned with the war when the broken bodies of their soldiers told them the truth about what was going on over there. The only thing that has changed are the markings on the tanks.
...
The path to victory: Change our decades long fucked up Foriegn Policy in the Middle East. Buy their fucking oil, get a receipt and quit meddling in their domestic affairs.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://www.progressive.org/al_awlaki.html
"Forgive me while I don’t cheer the assassination of Anwar Al-Awlaki, the New Mexico-born cleric whom the United States just killed in Yemen.
He was a U.S. citizen, after all.
He had never been indicted for a crime here, much less convicted of one, much less sentenced to death.
Still, the President rubbed him out.
We are told that he was a high-ranking member of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and there is some evidence that his preachings influenced Al Qaeda terrorists, including a few of the 9/11 attackers and the shoe bomber.
He’s no angel. No doubt about that.
But does that give the President the right to summarily execute a U.S. citizen?"
Did FDR have the right to murder Ezra Pound during World War II for vocally supporting the fascists?
President Obama asserts that right, not just to bump off Al-Awlaki but also other U.S. citizens, too.
On what basis? Where will it end?
The ACLU, which, along with the Center for Constitutional Rights, represented Al-Awlaki’s father last year in an attempt to block his assassination, denounced this action.
"The targeted killing program violates both U.S. and international law,” says ACLU deputy legal director Jameel Jaffer. “This is a program under which American citizens far from any battlefield can be executed by their own government without judicial process, and on the basis of standards and evidence that are kept secret not just from the public but from the courts. The government's authority to use lethal force against its own citizens should be limited to circumstances in which the threat to life is concrete, specific and imminent. It is a mistake to invest the President – any President – with the unreviewable power to kill any American whom he deems to present a threat to the country."
“If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the President does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state,” added Ben Wizner, ACLU National Security Project litigation director.
Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul, much to his credit, also objected to the hit.
“To start assassinating American citizens without charges—we should think very seriously about this,” Paul said.
Yes, we should.
Who does Obama think he is, Michael Corleone?
His Justice Department went into court last year to make the claim that no judge in the entire United States has the right to oversee the President’s assassination policy.
The President has become judge, juror, and literally executioner, and that’s not the way our system is supposed to work.
And it sets a new low, and a terrible precedent, for the abuse of Presidential powers."
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
this breaks one of the principles that this country was founded on.
if this is illegal i want obama impeached...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It's kinda funny that you are asking about the constitutionality of the cia's actions. This guy pointed this out over a year ago and was called a kook and a liar and that no such program existed.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articl ... 198/43208/
I wish I know how accurate this article is. Matthew Rothschild is usually well informed and I can't imagine him jumping to wild conclusions. I also can't help but wonder how much control Obama had over this incident. As with so many things, we may never know.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
if i had to guess it will go like this...if it is legal he will take full credit for masterminding yet another blow to al Qaeda...if it is illegal, he had no idea or could not recall any of the answers we may be looking for...
executive orders to kill us citizens...this is certainly change I can believe in...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Or they could . . . get their own insurance.
When are you just going to give in and do what's right and support Ron Paul? 100 years from now?
A President ordered the assassination of a US Citizen without charging him with a crime, this is not the road we should be on. Ron Paul is right.
Another RP lover? Have fun with that sinking ship. He's just as big a piece of shit as Obama and the rest of these thugs in suits who hang out at the same country clubs.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
obama can come flat out in his next speech and say "my fellow americans, i am begging each and every one of you to vote for my republican opponent in 2012!!" and the republicans would even disagree with him on that point...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Shit, this and bin laden are the two best things BHO has done in office.
So usama, does BHO get your vote next election?
1. they are opposed to everything he says and does, even when they voted for parts of it already..ie. the new jobs bill...so why would they agree with him on that one thing?
2. then they would actually have to make decisions and negotiate and LEAD instead of sitting back and throwing stones and crying "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!" at every thing that gets proposed.. it is easy to be the minority party. you just hold your breath like a 3 year old, become the "party of no!!" and refuse to support anything for 4 whole years until you get a chance to get your guy back in there..
i think they are just pissed off because an african american is doing the things that bush and cheney failed to do.
i still want an investigation and if this is confirmed that another american citizen has been summarily executed by this administration, i want an impeachment proceeding.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
We could take America off of the map and and these terrorists would find another place to attack! They dont have anything better to do! There has always been war.....there will always be war! With or without USA!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Actually, Japan had something like 700 years of peace at one time. We should never cease trying to stop war- it's the sensible thing to do.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Agreed...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon