WOW. That is SO many teddy bears. They just keep coming over the glass.
That sad little ice rake is not gonna pick up all those bears.
drivingrl: "Will I ever get to meet Gwen Stefani?"
kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.
Apparently talks have broken off. The owners didn't like the player's latest proposal where the players made a TON of concessions. This whole thing is a fucking joke.
The latest round of NHL labor talks broke down Thursday when the league rejected the players' proposal of an eight-year collective bargaining agreement.
Players' association director Donald Fehr said the union received a voicemail message from the NHL, which stated that the proposal was unacceptable and that there was no need to continue negotiations Friday.
Fehr also said he doesn't believe the lockout will be resolved soon. The voicemail, left for union special counsel Steve Fehr, stated that "some things or everything" the league has offered is now off the table, according to Donald Fehr, who added that this is not a positive development.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly are expected to address the media later Thursday, the 82nd day of the lockout. Bettman was not part of the one-hour meeting earlier in the day.
The union's latest offer proposed and eight-year collective bargaining agreement, which included an opt-out clause for the players after the sixth year. The NHLPA also offered to limit the length of players' contracts to eight years.
Information from ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
yep......I've been thinking that since this all started, can't believe it
2005 - London
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1 2018 - Fenway 1&2 2022 - Hamilton, Toronto 2023 - Chicago 1&2 2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
When you got 3 teams responsible for 83 % of the revenue you've got problems. Personally I think the NHL is poorly marketed with at least 6 teams too many.
You have too think getting a deal done at this stage is bleak ... Have they even discussed some of the minor issues like realignment. Probably not.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Well atleast the World Junior hockey tournament is coming up.......can't wait to watch some hockey
2005 - London
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1 2018 - Fenway 1&2 2022 - Hamilton, Toronto 2023 - Chicago 1&2 2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
Apparently talks have broken off. The owners didn't like the player's latest proposal where the players made a TON of concessions. This whole thing is a fucking joke.
I dont really see any concessions. They took the concessions the owners made, kept them in there, and then threw in some awful ones like a 6 year length of CBA (when NHL (and fans) wants 10 with an option for both sides at 8), The NHL giving back $100 million on the make-whole was based on the CBA length.... and an 8-year limit in contract term.... how many contracts are >8 years? Thats not a concession.
the NHL was ready to make a deal last night. I feel very confident if the NHLPA put last night's deal up for a vote, it would pass
The snag that hit NHL negotiations Wednesday was not just a result of hardline owners refusing to budge and players venting frustrations. Tension built because some of Tuesday's peacemakers among the ownership were startled by the resistance and lack of progress they encountered once the league began discussing specific proposals and issues with the union, according to sources.
None of those moderate voices of reason has become as important to this negotiation as Pittsburgh Penguins co-owner Ron Burkle, an approachable billionaire who flew to New York on Monday on the same plane as his team's captain, Sidney Crosby, and Crosby's agent, Pat Brisson, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Burkle, the son of a California grocery-store manager who first joined a union at the age of 13, according to an October article in the New Yorker, took charge recently of hockey's aimless negotiations with the help of Crosby, the face of the league, on the other side of the table. They teamed with other owners and players on Tuesday to build a solid foundation for bargaining.
The severe risk run on Wednesday, however, when the NHL did not receive the response it anticipated after making both financial and contractual concessions, was in alienating the owners welcomed into negotiations by the NHL for the first time on Tuesday — namely Burkle, the Winnipeg Jets' Mark Chipman and the Tampa Bay Lightning's Jeff Vinik. None of them had been in the room the past five months to see exactly why these meetings weren't generating more progress.
Jeremy Jacobs (Boston Bruins) and Murray Edwards (Calgary Flames), who have participated as members of the NHL's negotiating committee throughout the lockout, remained in this week's meetings. But they were not the changing variables creating cautious optimism Tuesday — the moderate voices were the difference, such as that of Burkle.
One person familiar with the Penguins co-owner said of Burkle: "He commands respect from people; his humility is disarming," and called him, "trustworthy."
Early Thursday, the league and union were in contact, but no one from the NHL arrived at the hotel for a face-to-face meeting with the union until 3:43 p.m., and the group included just two people: deputy commissioner Bill Daly and lawyer Bob Batterman.
The NHL's Wednesday proposal included several moves toward the union, according to details first reported by John Shannon and Michael Grange of SportsNet in Canada. The league proposed a 10-year agreement and a $99 million increase of the money it would pay to “make whole” player contracts affected by a reset to a 50-50 revenue split, bringing the total “make whole” offer to $300 million. (The players asked for a five-year agreement and $393 million in their Nov. 21 proposal. )
The NHL backed off from changes to a player's eligibility for restricted free agency and for contract arbitration. The league also stood firm on reducing player contract terms from unlimited to a maximum of five years, but it threw in a wrinkle in which teams could sign their own free agents for up to seven years. (Still, it's difficult to envision players agreeing to such a drastic reduction in opportunity for long deals.)
i'm done with my season tickets....i won't give the league a dime
ill still love the game and watch on tv,but i won't ever buy a ticket again :(
I just said the same thing to my wife. I'm sure I'll be back at some point, but man is this shit ridiculous. I'm sure that I'm going to skyrocket up the Blackhawks season ticket waiting list.
BroadStBull RT @reporterchris: Ron Hainsey says the NHL told players last night that bringing Don Fehr back into room was potentially "a deal-breaker."
And so you see, I have come to doubt All that I once held as true I stand alone without beliefs The only truth I know is you.
BroadStBull RT @reporterchris: Ron Hainsey says the NHL told players last night that bringing Don Fehr back into room was potentially "a deal-breaker."
After sleeping on it, I still believe we see a deal before Christmas.
A player came out and said they were ready to play Wednesday, but Fehr told them to hang on because he could get more. The player said most players wanted that deal and the lockout is only serving top players like Miller and Richards who are in front of the spotlight making it look like they are sacrificing.
Apparently talks have broken off. The owners didn't like the player's latest proposal where the players made a TON of concessions. This whole thing is a fucking joke.
I dont really see any concessions. They took the concessions the owners made, kept them in there, and then threw in some awful ones like a 6 year length of CBA (when NHL (and fans) wants 10 with an option for both sides at 8), The NHL giving back $100 million on the make-whole was based on the CBA length.... and an 8-year limit in contract term.... how many contracts are >8 years? Thats not a concession.
the NHL was ready to make a deal last night. I feel very confident if the NHLPA put last night's deal up for a vote, it would pass
So the players agreeing to go to 50 % of revenue from 57% isn't a concession???
Also, the whole contract length thing is comical. If the owners don't like these long term contracts, then DON'T FUCKING SIGN GUYS TO 13 YEAR CONTRACTS. Pretty simple.
After sleeping on it, I still believe we see a deal before Christmas.
A player came out and said they were ready to play Wednesday, but Fehr told them to hang on because he could get more. The player said most players wanted that deal and the lockout is only serving top players like Miller and Richards who are in front of the spotlight making it look like they are sacrificing.
When this is over, Fehr will either look like a genius or a complete fucking moron. I'm leaning towards the latter.
Also, the whole contract length thing is comical. If the owners don't like these long term contracts, then DON'T FUCKING SIGN GUYS TO 13 YEAR CONTRACTS. Pretty simple.
they cant do that. It would be illegal. The framwork of the CBA needs to put limits on things such as that.
Also, the whole contract length thing is comical. If the owners don't like these long term contracts, then DON'T FUCKING SIGN GUYS TO 13 YEAR CONTRACTS. Pretty simple.
they cant do that. It would be illegal. The framwork of the CBA needs to put limits on things such as that.
How would that be illegal? There isn't a limit on contract length right now, is there? I just assumed there wasn't with these 12-13 year contracts that are out there.
they cant "agree" to keep low contract lengths out there. Thats collusion and players' and agents' lawyers would be all over the NHL
With the cap, teams who can afford risk keep tacking on more and more years. There is currently no limit, so that is one way for these teams to up the ante (and stretch into a players' retirement years). Now the smaller market teams, in order to not lose their players and fans are forced to keep up and also provide matching long-terms.
Plus you see players playing hard, signing on for 10 years, then cruise control. f-that. For a fan, a term limit is good IMO.
theyll be back next week and I still think there will be a deal by Christmas.
its a frustrating exercise and it didnt need to be this way. Donald Fehr was completely the wrong play IMO.
i think bettman summed it up best by saying this is collective bargaining ... it means there is posturing ... it means you can't take everything at face value ... anyone who's ever been part of negotiations realizes this ...
not sure why the players are holding out for a shorter CBA? ...
they cant "agree" to keep low contract lengths out there. Thats collusion and players' and agents' lawyers would be all over the NHL
With the cap, teams who can afford risk keep tacking on more and more years. There is currently no limit, so that is one way for these teams to up the ante (and stretch into a players' retirement years). Now the smaller market teams, in order to not lose their players and fans are forced to keep up and also provide matching long-terms.
Plus you see players playing hard, signing on for 10 years, then cruise control. f-that. For a fan, a term limit is good IMO.
Yeah, that makes sense. I just find it funny that there were a bunch of long term contracts signed over the summer before the CBA expired and now they are adamant about a 5 year max contract for free agents.
A term limit of some sort does make sense, but to expect the players to agree on there being no limit to a 5 year max is a bit much.
Also, the whole contract length thing is comical. If the owners don't like these long term contracts, then DON'T FUCKING SIGN GUYS TO 13 YEAR CONTRACTS. Pretty simple.
they cant do that. It would be illegal. The framwork of the CBA needs to put limits on things such as that.
yes your right that it is illegal. I don't think the 5 year max contract is actually that big of an issue. I think we all know that it will be 6 years max and 8 year for signing your own players. similar to the NBA
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WOW. That is SO many teddy bears. They just keep coming over the glass.
That sad little ice rake is not gonna pick up all those bears.
kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.
Next!"
Toronto 2011 night 2
Hamilton 2011
London 2013
The latest round of NHL labor talks broke down Thursday when the league rejected the players' proposal of an eight-year collective bargaining agreement.
Players' association director Donald Fehr said the union received a voicemail message from the NHL, which stated that the proposal was unacceptable and that there was no need to continue negotiations Friday.
Fehr also said he doesn't believe the lockout will be resolved soon. The voicemail, left for union special counsel Steve Fehr, stated that "some things or everything" the league has offered is now off the table, according to Donald Fehr, who added that this is not a positive development.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly are expected to address the media later Thursday, the 82nd day of the lockout. Bettman was not part of the one-hour meeting earlier in the day.
The union's latest offer proposed and eight-year collective bargaining agreement, which included an opt-out clause for the players after the sixth year. The NHLPA also offered to limit the length of players' contracts to eight years.
Information from ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
yep......I've been thinking that since this all started, can't believe it
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
2018 - Fenway 1&2
2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
i'm done with my season tickets....i won't give the league a dime
ill still love the game and watch on tv,but i won't ever buy a ticket again :(
It's pretty sad. Like a bunch of spoiled children who cry when they don't get their way. It makes me sick.
You have too think getting a deal done at this stage is bleak ... Have they even discussed some of the minor issues like realignment. Probably not.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
2018 - Fenway 1&2
2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
I dont really see any concessions. They took the concessions the owners made, kept them in there, and then threw in some awful ones like a 6 year length of CBA (when NHL (and fans) wants 10 with an option for both sides at 8), The NHL giving back $100 million on the make-whole was based on the CBA length.... and an 8-year limit in contract term.... how many contracts are >8 years? Thats not a concession.
the NHL was ready to make a deal last night. I feel very confident if the NHLPA put last night's deal up for a vote, it would pass
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hocke ... bled=false
The snag that hit NHL negotiations Wednesday was not just a result of hardline owners refusing to budge and players venting frustrations. Tension built because some of Tuesday's peacemakers among the ownership were startled by the resistance and lack of progress they encountered once the league began discussing specific proposals and issues with the union, according to sources.
None of those moderate voices of reason has become as important to this negotiation as Pittsburgh Penguins co-owner Ron Burkle, an approachable billionaire who flew to New York on Monday on the same plane as his team's captain, Sidney Crosby, and Crosby's agent, Pat Brisson, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Burkle, the son of a California grocery-store manager who first joined a union at the age of 13, according to an October article in the New Yorker, took charge recently of hockey's aimless negotiations with the help of Crosby, the face of the league, on the other side of the table. They teamed with other owners and players on Tuesday to build a solid foundation for bargaining.
The severe risk run on Wednesday, however, when the NHL did not receive the response it anticipated after making both financial and contractual concessions, was in alienating the owners welcomed into negotiations by the NHL for the first time on Tuesday — namely Burkle, the Winnipeg Jets' Mark Chipman and the Tampa Bay Lightning's Jeff Vinik. None of them had been in the room the past five months to see exactly why these meetings weren't generating more progress.
Jeremy Jacobs (Boston Bruins) and Murray Edwards (Calgary Flames), who have participated as members of the NHL's negotiating committee throughout the lockout, remained in this week's meetings. But they were not the changing variables creating cautious optimism Tuesday — the moderate voices were the difference, such as that of Burkle.
One person familiar with the Penguins co-owner said of Burkle: "He commands respect from people; his humility is disarming," and called him, "trustworthy."
Early Thursday, the league and union were in contact, but no one from the NHL arrived at the hotel for a face-to-face meeting with the union until 3:43 p.m., and the group included just two people: deputy commissioner Bill Daly and lawyer Bob Batterman.
The NHL's Wednesday proposal included several moves toward the union, according to details first reported by John Shannon and Michael Grange of SportsNet in Canada. The league proposed a 10-year agreement and a $99 million increase of the money it would pay to “make whole” player contracts affected by a reset to a 50-50 revenue split, bringing the total “make whole” offer to $300 million. (The players asked for a five-year agreement and $393 million in their Nov. 21 proposal. )
The NHL backed off from changes to a player's eligibility for restricted free agency and for contract arbitration. The league also stood firm on reducing player contract terms from unlimited to a maximum of five years, but it threw in a wrinkle in which teams could sign their own free agents for up to seven years. (Still, it's difficult to envision players agreeing to such a drastic reduction in opportunity for long deals.)
I just said the same thing to my wife. I'm sure I'll be back at some point, but man is this shit ridiculous. I'm sure that I'm going to skyrocket up the Blackhawks season ticket waiting list.
its a frustrating exercise and it didnt need to be this way. Donald Fehr was completely the wrong play IMO.
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
I'm tired of it... fuck.
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
#podium
tis a shame they have fucked this up so bad
A player came out and said they were ready to play Wednesday, but Fehr told them to hang on because he could get more. The player said most players wanted that deal and the lockout is only serving top players like Miller and Richards who are in front of the spotlight making it look like they are sacrificing.
So the players agreeing to go to 50 % of revenue from 57% isn't a concession???
Also, the whole contract length thing is comical. If the owners don't like these long term contracts, then DON'T FUCKING SIGN GUYS TO 13 YEAR CONTRACTS. Pretty simple.
When this is over, Fehr will either look like a genius or a complete fucking moron. I'm leaning towards the latter.
they cant do that. It would be illegal. The framwork of the CBA needs to put limits on things such as that.
How would that be illegal? There isn't a limit on contract length right now, is there? I just assumed there wasn't with these 12-13 year contracts that are out there.
With the cap, teams who can afford risk keep tacking on more and more years. There is currently no limit, so that is one way for these teams to up the ante (and stretch into a players' retirement years). Now the smaller market teams, in order to not lose their players and fans are forced to keep up and also provide matching long-terms.
Plus you see players playing hard, signing on for 10 years, then cruise control. f-that. For a fan, a term limit is good IMO.
i think bettman summed it up best by saying this is collective bargaining ... it means there is posturing ... it means you can't take everything at face value ... anyone who's ever been part of negotiations realizes this ...
not sure why the players are holding out for a shorter CBA? ...
Yeah, that makes sense. I just find it funny that there were a bunch of long term contracts signed over the summer before the CBA expired and now they are adamant about a 5 year max contract for free agents.
A term limit of some sort does make sense, but to expect the players to agree on there being no limit to a 5 year max is a bit much.
This whole thing just sucks.
yes your right that it is illegal. I don't think the 5 year max contract is actually that big of an issue. I think we all know that it will be 6 years max and 8 year for signing your own players. similar to the NBA
this is confusing to me. Maybe because the owners want a long one?
I suspect maybe they will be getting down to 50% right before that 6-year mark, and once they do, they can try to get more at that time?
Which would be shitty
my theory now is: fehr gets to have another facetime session sooner ...