I was surprised by the interference call, and taking the goal away. I wasn't upset of course, but I was surprised. Not as much as the Rangers not being able to score on a cold third-string goalie, but I don't think the Pens have much of a chance if they have to rely on that much longer.
I think there could be a debate as to whether that play should result in a goal. However, as the rule is written/called, it was pretty much guaranteed to be overturned. Kakko was heading into the crease anyway, got nudged and made little to no effort to avoid contact. If it helps, think of goaltender interference as a modification of the crease violation rule. Used to be that if you entered the crease, the play was blown dead (unless you're Brett Hull). Now, a player can be in the crease all day, but if he touches the goalie, that's a whistle. This is a simplification, and there is, of course, human judgment that comes into play, but the basic takeaway is that if there's contact in the crease, don't be surprised if the goal is overturned.
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I was surprised by the interference call, and taking the goal away. I wasn't upset of course, but I was surprised. Not as much as the Rangers not being able to score on a cold third-string goalie, but I don't think the Pens have much of a chance if they have to rely on that much longer.
I think there could be a debate as to whether that play should result in a goal. However, as the rule is written/called, it was pretty much guaranteed to be overturned. Kakko was heading into the crease anyway, got nudged and made little to no effort to avoid contact. If it helps, think of goaltender interference as a modification of the crease violation rule. Used to be that if you entered the crease, the play was blown dead (unless you're Brett Hull). Now, a player can be in the crease all day, but if he touches the goalie, that's a whistle. This is a simplification, and there is, of course, human judgment that comes into play, but the basic takeaway is that if there's contact in the crease, don't be surprised if the goal is overturned.
I appreciate your explanation here. Reading that, it makes more sense to me now.
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I can't believe the Islanders fired Trotz! Not sure who else is looking for a coach, but I have to assume he's the first coaching hire of the offseason.
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I can't believe the Islanders fired Trotz! Not sure who else is looking for a coach, but I have to assume he's the first coaching hire of the offseason.
One bad season.. I agree. I didn't watch them really this year, but they just don't have any firepower. But they play a stifling game (at least did for the previous two seasons).
I can't believe the Islanders fired Trotz! Not sure who else is looking for a coach, but I have to assume he's the first coaching hire of the offseason.
One bad season.. I agree. I didn't watch them really this year, but they just don't have any firepower. But they play a stifling game (at least did for the previous two seasons).
In my head, they had diminishing returns, but not at all, right? They did arguably better each of the 1st three years until this year. I have to wonder if he's difficult to work with. Washington let him walk the season he coached them to the Cup. Now, the Islanders axe him after one bad season. That said, if I was a struggling team, I'd give him a serious look.
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I can't believe the Islanders fired Trotz! Not sure who else is looking for a coach, but I have to assume he's the first coaching hire of the offseason.
One bad season.. I agree. I didn't watch them really this year, but they just don't have any firepower. But they play a stifling game (at least did for the previous two seasons).
In my head, they had diminishing returns, but not at all, right? They did arguably better each of the 1st three years until this year. I have to wonder if he's difficult to work with. Washington let him walk the season he coached them to the Cup. Now, the Islanders axe him after one bad season. That said, if I was a struggling team, I'd give him a serious look.
Yeah, maybe he's like Torts. Just a little too old school.
I can't believe the Islanders fired Trotz! Not sure who else is looking for a coach, but I have to assume he's the first coaching hire of the offseason.
One bad season.. I agree. I didn't watch them really this year, but they just don't have any firepower. But they play a stifling game (at least did for the previous two seasons).
In my head, they had diminishing returns, but not at all, right? They did arguably better each of the 1st three years until this year. I have to wonder if he's difficult to work with. Washington let him walk the season he coached them to the Cup. Now, the Islanders axe him after one bad season. That said, if I was a struggling team, I'd give him a serious look.
Yeah, maybe he's like Torts. Just a little too old school.
"Old school" is an odd way to spell asshole.
I totally forgot that Lamoriello is the Islanders GM. This may not have anything to do with Trotz's personality or coaching style. Lou apparently thought the players "needed a new voice", but refuses to explain what that means, what his thought process was here, his reasons, or any of the information that he used to come to this decision. He didn't even talk to players about Trotz:
I can't believe the Islanders fired Trotz! Not sure who else is looking for a coach, but I have to assume he's the first coaching hire of the offseason.
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I can't believe the Islanders fired Trotz! Not sure who else is looking for a coach, but I have to assume he's the first coaching hire of the offseason.
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I would be surprised if Toronto goes after him if they lose in the 1st round again.
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This woman announcing the Kings Oilers game might be the worst announcer I’ve ever heard. She sounds like they ran a contest for a random fan to get to announce a game. With two networks doing these games I know they need 8 announcers but there has to be better than this. Awful
Edit: It was Leah Hextall. Saw on Twitter this morning that a lot of people share my opinion
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Satan could announce....a game 5 OT victory is great! *I was asleep throughout, didn't watch a minute.
So excited for the playoffs. I think this is the year the Leafs win the Cup. A brutal path for them with Tampa and most likely Florida though. So I am going a bit off the board and going with Leafs over the Wild.
I think the Leafs lose in first round, again.
I hope not I like Austin Matthews and Jack Cmapbell (Both USA guys). I think they can make it to the conference finals. Haven't really been following the NHL too much this year since the Flyers sucked ass.
I like Soupy, as well, but still think they lose round 1
I was hoping they would finally get past the first round, but oh well. Good games overall yesterday.
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
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Kings fell a game short, but without arguably their most important player for the series (drew) and one of their key offensive contributors (arvy) they did a great job. Future is bright.
Kings fell a game short, but without arguably their most important player for the series (drew) and one of their key offensive contributors (arvy) they did a great job. Future is bright.
Toronto gonna Toronto.
Aint that the truth about Toronto. I don't know why it hurts every yr. when they lose, but damm they are killing me. Just once I would like to see them get into 2nd round
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Kings fell a game short, but without arguably their most important player for the series (drew) and one of their key offensive contributors (arvy) they did a great job. Future is bright.
Toronto gonna Toronto.
Aint that the truth about Toronto. I don't know why it hurts every yr. when they lose, but damm they are killing me. Just once I would like to see them get into 2nd round
It must be so brutal for Leafs fans. I hope they get there next year.
Guess you didn't mind that power play in overtime. Someone in the league office must be getting fired since they let the Rangers win
Toronto has an argument about the refs from game 6. The penalty to get the 5 on 3 to tie the game was a terrible call. Hedman lifted the dudes stick into his face. Not a high stick. Vasilevsky just doesn't let the Lightning lose in close out games.
some great series in the 1st round. Hope the next rounds are as good.
Guess you didn't mind that power play in overtime. Someone in the league office must be getting fired since they let the Rangers win
Toronto has an argument about the refs from game 6. The penalty to get the 5 on 3 to tie the game was a terrible call. Hedman lifted the dudes stick into his face. Not a high stick. Vasilevsky just doesn't let the Lightning lose in close out games.
some great series in the 1st round. Hope the next rounds are as good.
This is going to sound crazy, but I think there were two high sticks on Hedman, as I recall seeing a replay where Kerfoot's stick definitely comes up on its own and gets Hedman in the face, but the only gif I can find online is earlier in the play, and Hedman definitely lifts Kerfoot's stick (which, IMHO is still borderline - control your own stick; yes, Hedman lifts it, but it still travels a good distance on its own). Regardless, the Kampf high stick on Foote just before that, which led to the 5-on-3 was pretty bad. Kampf got Foote in the shoulder. Had Foote's head not snapped back, no call on that.
I'm not actually sure what the Leafs need at this point. I don't think they played soft in this series. Maybe they let up a bit after each win, but these two teams have traded wins literally all season. I think it might really just be the bad luck to have to play the Lightning this year. The only thing can think of is a coaching change? I don't know much about Keefe, though. Maybe they could use a Selke-calibre center; I hear there's a guy in Boston about to become a free agent. Maybe he could lead them into the 2nd round on the 10-year anniversary of "It was 4-1!"
I would love to see the NHL go back to more of a straight 1-8 seeding. This year, that would have had the Leafs playing the Bruins, which I think is an eminently more winnable series for the Leafs (on paper, anyway).
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I honestly would love a 1-16 seeding format. Make any SCF match-up possible.
The Leafs are the late 80s and early 90s Sabres. Really good teams. At times top 3-5 in the league... but had the misfortune of being boxed in a brutal division with teams that were hardened and better built for the playoffs. Got stuck playing Montreal or Boston in round 1 every year while the Norris Division would have like 4 playoff teams at or under .500
Guess you didn't mind that power play in overtime. Someone in the league office must be getting fired since they let the Rangers win
Toronto has an argument about the refs from game 6. The penalty to get the 5 on 3 to tie the game was a terrible call. Hedman lifted the dudes stick into his face. Not a high stick. Vasilevsky just doesn't let the Lightning lose in close out games.
some great series in the 1st round. Hope the next rounds are as good.
This is going to sound crazy, but I think there were two high sticks on Hedman, as I recall seeing a replay where Kerfoot's stick definitely comes up on its own and gets Hedman in the face, but the only gif I can find online is earlier in the play, and Hedman definitely lifts Kerfoot's stick (which, IMHO is still borderline - control your own stick; yes, Hedman lifts it, but it still travels a good distance on its own). Regardless, the Kampf high stick on Foote just before that, which led to the 5-on-3 was pretty bad. Kampf got Foote in the shoulder. Had Foote's head not snapped back, no call on that.
I'm not actually sure what the Leafs need at this point. I don't think they played soft in this series. Maybe they let up a bit after each win, but these two teams have traded wins literally all season. I think it might really just be the bad luck to have to play the Lightning this year. The only thing can think of is a coaching change? I don't know much about Keefe, though. Maybe they could use a Selke-calibre center; I hear there's a guy in Boston about to become a free agent. Maybe he could lead them into the 2nd round on the 10-year anniversary of "It was 4-1!"
I would love to see the NHL go back to more of a straight 1-8 seeding. This year, that would have had the Leafs playing the Bruins, which I think is an eminently more winnable series for the Leafs (on paper, anyway).
Leafs got a bad draw.. No the Lightning were not great during the regular season, but they are still the Champs and drawing them in the first round was not fortunate. The Panthers had some demons and I think the Leafs would have been better off against them. Plus they are fundamentally the same team, I think.
Could it also be that the Leafs essentially only roll three lines? I don't recall seeing a fourth line out there barely at all. At some point over seven games, that has to make a difference. I also think that Cooper outcoached Keefe on the lines. Coop did a great job splitting Point and Cirrelli on lines when they didn't have last change. And in Tampa, they were able to keep those two glued to Matthews and Marner.
the Calgary/Dallas and NYR/Pitt games were pretty insane. Both games go to OT and both home teams won.
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
As someone who grew up watching playoff overtime in the 80s and the 90s, I find it strange to see a powerplay in OT - let alone a game 7 overtime. Back then you literally had to murder someone to get a penalty in OT lol. Oilers - Flames should be epic!
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As someone who grew up watching playoff overtime in the 80s and the 90s, I find it strange to see a powerplay in OT - let alone a game 7 overtime. Back then you literally had to murder someone to get a penalty in OT lol. Oilers - Flames should be epic!
Ha. I have this memory as well. Wonder if it was truly like that, but that is how I recall.
I have no idea what will happen in that series. They both got out of the first round after years of disappointing results. They will both want to take advantage of this opportunity. I prefer the flames goaltending in this one, so you might be right!
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As someone who can’t stand the Leafs and revels in their demise I gotta say they at least showed up for game 7.
Game 7’s come down to who is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Tampa did and the Leafs didn’t. Tampa blocked 26 shots , Leafs only 13. Hedman had 6 by himself! Mathews 1, Mariner 1, Tavares 1. Riley and Willy nada. Tampa laid it all on the line and the Leafs not so much. Championship pedigree
They certainly have that 80-84 islanders vibe going on right now haha. Everyone is banged up and no one can defeat them.
When your hall of fame captain, leading scorer in franchise history, is taking pucks to the shins.. everyone notices and does the same. It took them a bit of time to round into playoff form, but they look like they are there. Specifically Vasy.
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I was hoping they would finally get past the first round, but oh well. Good games overall yesterday.
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Toronto gonna Toronto.
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
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2018 - Fenway 1&2
2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
Toronto has an argument about the refs from game 6. The penalty to get the 5 on 3 to tie the game was a terrible call. Hedman lifted the dudes stick into his face. Not a high stick. Vasilevsky just doesn't let the Lightning lose in close out games.
some great series in the 1st round. Hope the next rounds are as good.
I'm not actually sure what the Leafs need at this point. I don't think they played soft in this series. Maybe they let up a bit after each win, but these two teams have traded wins literally all season. I think it might really just be the bad luck to have to play the Lightning this year. The only thing can think of is a coaching change? I don't know much about Keefe, though. Maybe they could use a Selke-calibre center; I hear there's a guy in Boston about to become a free agent. Maybe he could lead them into the 2nd round on the 10-year anniversary of "It was 4-1!"
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He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
The Leafs are the late 80s and early 90s Sabres. Really good teams. At times top 3-5 in the league... but had the misfortune of being boxed in a brutal division with teams that were hardened and better built for the playoffs. Got stuck playing Montreal or Boston in round 1 every year while the Norris Division would have like 4 playoff teams at or under .500
Could it also be that the Leafs essentially only roll three lines? I don't recall seeing a fourth line out there barely at all. At some point over seven games, that has to make a difference. I also think that Cooper outcoached Keefe on the lines. Coop did a great job splitting Point and Cirrelli on lines when they didn't have last change. And in Tampa, they were able to keep those two glued to Matthews and Marner.
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
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I think Flames fuck the Oilers up.
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Tampa laid it all on the line and the Leafs not so
much. Championship pedigree
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