Yes, that's what winning means in a sports competition.
I'll dispute that. Winning does not have to mean showing someone up or being overly prideful. I'll even wager to say that to have pride in yourself requires you have respect for your opponents, even when they - gasp - say something you don't like.
Yes, I agree. Crabtree ran his mouth, Sherman got results.
You're misunderstanding my point. If the end result of the game is really what matters, then why was Sherman so focused on what Michael Crabtree said? Why didn't his comments focus on what his team did and not what he himself did?
Careful with those gorilla comments. This man graduated second in his high school class and went to Stanford on a full ride.
I didn't call him a gorilla and my comments about his interview had nothing to with how smart he is. It has to do with this nonsense tough-guy BS that's too prevalent in sports culture today.
I can't really tell if you're disagreeing with me or not. Like I said, anyone shocked that an athlete responded in an amped-up way should look at the context: it was seconds after an emotional win in a huge game. It shouldn't be a surprise that he reacted how he did.
Belying that however, he looked and sounded like a classless egomaniac. Sports doesn't require trash-talk, tough-talk, chest-beating, or this Me-First attitude that is so prevalent in the NFL. And yet, here's another blazing example.
Two things can be true at the same time. He was set-up to make a dumb emotional statement. But he still sounded like an idiot.
Sober lockerroom advice from a veteran coach (in the offseason) would sound like this: "Get your head in the game kid. The fact that you apparently still needed to be vindicated by calling out Michael Crabtree on national TV after your team punched their pass to the Super Bowl speaks volumes about where your head is at."
1998-06-30 Minneapolis
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2 2018-06-18 London 1 2018-08-18 Wrigley 1 2018-08-20 Wrigley 2 2022-09-16 Nashville 2023-08-31 St. Paul 2023-09-02 St. Paul 2023-09-05 Chicago 1 2024-08-31 Wrigley 2 2024-09-15 Fenway 1 2024-09-27 Ohana 1 2024-09-29 Ohana 2
This is the last I have to say on the matter. Please feel free to respond, then we can get back to regularly scheduled programming of convincing Pearl Jam to come visit the great state of MN. Where sports fans can debate in a reasonable, level-headed manner.
I fundamentally agree with your definition of winning, yes. But the NFL and in particular the media that covers it eschewed this standard long ago. They will continue to reward players like Sherman for these outbursts because while it may not make for good sportsmanship, it certainly makes for good entertainment and ratings. I would say your definition is more applicable to high school, college or intramural leagues.
The reason Sherman's response was so focused on Crabtree is because Erin Andrews specifically asked him: "The last play - take me thru it". She didn't ask about the game, or the team, she wanted to know how he felt about that final play. He was obviously happy to oblige.
I only mention the gorilla comments because Sherman rec'd a whole slew of racist feedback afterwards. You seem like a nice guy, and I didn't want you to accidentally lump yourself into that category with those fools.
And yes, I do agree with you - people shouldn't have been shocked by the amplitude of his response immediately after such and intense game/play. As I understand it, there is a mandatory ten minute cooling off period for players before they talk to the media in the locker room after games, but this does not include on-field interviews.
Judging from the apology today, it sounds like coach didn't wait until the off-season to set him straight. "He was really clear that the last thing he wanted to do was take something away from our team, what we had accomplished,” said Carroll.
It sounds like Sherman knows exactly what he's doing. And I would wager that if he were put in that situation again, he wouldn't change much. I guess we'll find out in a couple weeks.
Pearl Jam - Target Field 2014, Vikings Stadium 2016!!
I'm not sure they try to squeeze in add'l dates between Australia & Europe. Also, they played Buffalo & Ontario last year, which are both pretty close to Toronto.
I would expect the next tour dates to be take place after they return from Europe. But the announcement after their done in AUS.
Just pure speculation on my part...maybe they don't want to take a break between AUS & Europe. Pedal to the Metal! I think Spring dates puts them indoors - Target Center or XCel?
January: AUS/NZ February: EV AUS March: off April: off May: ??? June: Europe July: Europe August: off September: off October: tour November: off December: off
There's hope for you. Matt Cameron doesn't take a year off from Soundgarden to "fulfill obligations with Pearl Jam" and then only tour with them for two months (what we know now: January, half of June, half of July).
I know there's some pessimism, but do the math. It makes zero sense that he would take the whole year off from SG for two months of PJ (especially because PJ is already not touring during known Soundgarden dates - Lollapalooza SA).
I'm not saying they do a 50 date tour, but I'll bet money we see two at least two additional months in 2014 - BEYOND WHAT WE KNOW - with PJ dates in the US.
1998-06-30 Minneapolis
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2 2018-06-18 London 1 2018-08-18 Wrigley 1 2018-08-20 Wrigley 2 2022-09-16 Nashville 2023-08-31 St. Paul 2023-09-02 St. Paul 2023-09-05 Chicago 1 2024-08-31 Wrigley 2 2024-09-15 Fenway 1 2024-09-27 Ohana 1 2024-09-29 Ohana 2
1998-06-30 Minneapolis
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2 2018-06-18 London 1 2018-08-18 Wrigley 1 2018-08-20 Wrigley 2 2022-09-16 Nashville 2023-08-31 St. Paul 2023-09-02 St. Paul 2023-09-05 Chicago 1 2024-08-31 Wrigley 2 2024-09-15 Fenway 1 2024-09-27 Ohana 1 2024-09-29 Ohana 2
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I can't really tell if you're disagreeing with me or not. Like I said, anyone shocked that an athlete responded in an amped-up way should look at the context: it was seconds after an emotional win in a huge game. It shouldn't be a surprise that he reacted how he did.
Belying that however, he looked and sounded like a classless egomaniac. Sports doesn't require trash-talk, tough-talk, chest-beating, or this Me-First attitude that is so prevalent in the NFL. And yet, here's another blazing example.
Two things can be true at the same time. He was set-up to make a dumb emotional statement. But he still sounded like an idiot.
Sober lockerroom advice from a veteran coach (in the offseason) would sound like this: "Get your head in the game kid. The fact that you apparently still needed to be vindicated by calling out Michael Crabtree on national TV after your team punched their pass to the Super Bowl speaks volumes about where your head is at."
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
2024-08-31 Wrigley 2
2024-09-15 Fenway 1
2024-09-27 Ohana 1
2024-09-29 Ohana 2
This board is much better on my phone.
Ha, dig Skid Row in that snowboarding video. I do have a soft spot for "I remember you" by them.
In any case, please play MN in 2014! We want you here!!! We will cheer our butts off!!!
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
I fundamentally agree with your definition of winning, yes. But the NFL and in particular the media that covers it eschewed this standard long ago. They will continue to reward players like Sherman for these outbursts because while it may not make for good sportsmanship, it certainly makes for good entertainment and ratings. I would say your definition is more applicable to high school, college or intramural leagues.
The reason Sherman's response was so focused on Crabtree is because Erin Andrews specifically asked him: "The last play - take me thru it". She didn't ask about the game, or the team, she wanted to know how he felt about that final play. He was obviously happy to oblige.
I only mention the gorilla comments because Sherman rec'd a whole slew of racist feedback afterwards. You seem like a nice guy, and I didn't want you to accidentally lump yourself into that category with those fools.
And yes, I do agree with you - people shouldn't have been shocked by the amplitude of his response immediately after such and intense game/play. As I understand it, there is a mandatory ten minute cooling off period for players before they talk to the media in the locker room after games, but this does not include on-field interviews.
Judging from the apology today, it sounds like coach didn't wait until the off-season to set him straight. "He was really clear that the last thing he wanted to do was take something away from our team, what we had accomplished,” said Carroll.
It sounds like Sherman knows exactly what he's doing. And I would wager that if he were put in that situation again, he wouldn't change much. I guess we'll find out in a couple weeks.
Pearl Jam - Target Field 2014, Vikings Stadium 2016!!
anywhere anytime any circumstances, PJ play MN in 2014.
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
I would expect the next tour dates to be take place after they return from Europe. But the announcement after their done in AUS.
Just pure speculation on my part...maybe they don't want to take a break between AUS & Europe. Pedal to the Metal! I think Spring dates puts them indoors - Target Center or XCel?
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
February: EV AUS
March: off
April: off
May: ???
June: Europe
July: Europe
August: off
September: off
October: tour
November: off
December: off
There's hope for you. Matt Cameron doesn't take a year off from Soundgarden to "fulfill obligations with Pearl Jam" and then only tour with them for two months (what we know now: January, half of June, half of July).
I know there's some pessimism, but do the math. It makes zero sense that he would take the whole year off from SG for two months of PJ (especially because PJ is already not touring during known Soundgarden dates - Lollapalooza SA).
I'm not saying they do a 50 date tour, but I'll bet money we see two at least two additional months in 2014 - BEYOND WHAT WE KNOW - with PJ dates in the US.
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
2024-08-31 Wrigley 2
2024-09-15 Fenway 1
2024-09-27 Ohana 1
2024-09-29 Ohana 2
As long as they dont do anything Labor Day weekend.......
I just want to scream....."PLAY MINNESOTAAAAAAAAAA!!! My God, it's been so long."
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
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-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
What do you all say?
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
Pretty disappointed in EV.
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
2024-08-31 Wrigley 2
2024-09-15 Fenway 1
2024-09-27 Ohana 1
2024-09-29 Ohana 2