Dreams

StillHere

Idris wrote:

question...what do you believe? why do you believe it? and can it be proved?

Read Platos Thaetetus dialogue,

its complicated and convoluted at times but i believe that dreams are helping to carry us along the pathways that we've chosen....not here...but Before Here. I believe that we all choose our destination, and that we as souls need to experience many lives and many paths with many experiences in order to come closer to perfection in the grand scheme of things. I don't know who or what is, or even if there is a creator...or such as portrayed in theological writings...of any ilk. But I do believe in reincarnation....and that we choose our destinies before we arrive in this body, on this plane...and that although sometimes we may feel as if we are straying from those paths we are actually only sidelining for a bit and will continue on the basic path we have chosen to experience for this lifetime. I believe that some dreams, the most profound, most vivid, most outstanding, may be our subconsciousness striving to stay connected with and steer us on that path. I also believe that we travel through lives and worlds with a group of souls, and that those souls are incarnated around us in various familiar forms in each reincarnation.....maybe we recognize them (on the inside) for who or what they are and have been, or maybe we don't.....but i believe that we all need to experience different paths...and that taking these forms allows us to do that. For instance, in this world..when you first lay eyes on the person who will eventually become your partner/spouse in life, you feel a connection to them. You feel drawn to them. I believe that person has been in our lives before...possibly in some other form...human or otherwise. Same when you meet someone and you dislike them immediately without ever knowing them.....I believe that we have known them...just not here and now. As far as pathways go....we need to experience all things and so if we were a bully in a past life...perhaps we are bullied severely and treated badly in this life...but we have chosen this path...we have decided upon it because we need to understand and feel and know what we have inflicted upon others in the past in order to grow from these experiences. I could go on and on and on and on...but does any of this make sense at all?

Anyway...as for dreams I think that they guide us..help to keep us on track...and that sometimes they are memories from other times and other places....(for instance in one of my posts up the page here...when I knew what was at a certain intersection of a road in a state I'd never been to...while not a dream, per say, you get my drift, right?)

Why do I believe it? I can only say because of so many ...many many many ... experiences I have had....waking and otherwise. Because of strong connections that have no other basis in this physical world. And many other things.....
However...
As far as can it be proven? No of course not...except within my own beliefs and experiences.

tremors

Interesting thread. I've certainly been in states where I believe I have either 'received' things from some kind of external channel, or else 'uncovered' them from a deep part of the subconscious. I am not really sure which..... I'm referring to very detailed ideas and images which I've never encountered before - but then subsequently (sometimes even years later) discover are intrinsic parts of a rare religion or something. Quite a few religions that have never had contact with one another have been found to share specific ideas and images. For me this relates to the stuff we experience in dreams - is it a collective unconscious kind of thing, or are we also more receptive to external forces, whatever they may be?

StillHere

tremors wrote:

Interesting thread. I've certainly been in states where I believe I have either 'received' things from some kind of external channel, or else 'uncovered' them from a deep part of the subconscious. I am not really sure which..... I'm referring to very detailed ideas and images which I've never encountered before - but then subsequently (sometimes even years later) discover are intrinsic parts of a rare religion or something. Quite a few religions that have never had contact with one another have been found to share specific ideas and images. For me this relates to the stuff we experience in dreams - is it a collective unconscious kind of thing, or are we also more receptive to external forces, whatever they may be?

or a deja vu? perhaps. happens to me all the time

i find it truly fascinating that even in isolated tribal areas there are similar beliefs as in major religions. not the same deities but ultimately the same principals.

he still stands

tremors wrote:

Interesting thread. I've certainly been in states where I believe I have either 'received' things from some kind of external channel, or else 'uncovered' them from a deep part of the subconscious. I am not really sure which..... I'm referring to very detailed ideas and images which I've never encountered before - but then subsequently (sometimes even years later) discover are intrinsic parts of a rare religion or something. Quite a few religions that have never had contact with one another have been found to share specific ideas and images. For me this relates to the stuff we experience in dreams - is it a collective unconscious kind of thing, or are we also more receptive to external forces, whatever they may be?

this reminds me of Joseph Campbell and his book The Hero With a Thousand Faces. It talks about the similarites of an underlying message across religions and myths, and how the "divine messages" or whatever they are are acquired.

EmBleve

ShimmyMommy wrote:

yes.

yes. exactly.

EmBleve

StillHere wrote:

.and that we choose our destinies before we arrive in this body, on this plane...and that although sometimes we may feel as if we are straying from those paths we are actually only sidelining for a bit and will continue on the basic path we have chosen to experience for this lifetime.

I totally agree with this. I've heard them referred to as 'option lines', and we choose which one to address in this life, or which one we want to challenge us in an effort to further understand it for the next life (or for the other side, or for one's spirit). whew..not enough time to get into this at the moment.
And someone mentioned astral projection; I tried this once (after many months of practice), and had a very unique and vivid experience in a dream as a direct result of it. It was powerful.

StillHere

EmBleve wrote:

StillHere wrote:

.and that we choose our destinies before we arrive in this body, on this plane...and that although sometimes we may feel as if we are straying from those paths we are actually only sidelining for a bit and will continue on the basic path we have chosen to experience for this lifetime.

I totally agree with this. I've heard them referred to as 'option lines', and we choose which one to address in this life, or which one we want to challenge us in an effort to further understand it for the next life (or for the other side, or for one's spirit). whew..not enough time to get into this at the moment.
And someone mentioned astral projection; I tried this once (after many months of practice), and had a very unique and vivid experience in a dream as a direct result of it. It was powerful.

do tell

StillHere

EmBleve wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

yes.

yes. exactly.

confused by this...nothing new i suppose :roll: :oops:

ShimmyMommy

StillHere wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

yes.

yes. exactly.

confused by this...nothing new i suppose :roll: :oops:

By me? I didn't have time to post earlier and I didn't know how to tag this thread otherwise. Sorry. :?

I think I do lucid dream. I have had varying experiences over my life. Currently, I have ones where my little son and I play or go for walks, I can "feel" when he holds my hand. It's kind of funny, as it feels so real. Then when I hear a sound or something, it feels like I am "jolted" back, and I wake up. My son usually wakes too, but falls back asleep rather quickly. I usually remember those dreams too. I sometimes can read things in my dreams. Maybe I am just overtired, and am not really sleeping as deeply as I should be.

StillHere

ShimmyMommy wrote:

StillHere wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

yes.

yes

confused by this...nothing new i suppose :roll: :oops:

By me? I didn't have time to post earlier and I didn't know how to tag this thread otherwise. Sorry. :?

I think I do lucid dream. I have had varying experiences over my life. Currently, I have ones where my little son and I play or go for walks, I can "feel" when he holds my hand. It's kind of funny, as it feels so real. Then when I hear a sound or something, it feels like I am "jolted" back, and I wake up. My son usually wakes too, but falls back asleep rather quickly. I usually remember those dreams too. I sometimes can read things in my dreams. Maybe I am just overtired, and am not really sleeping as deeply as I should be.

oh.... i thought i was not getting something here

very cool that you both are awakened at the same time when you are dreaming...wonder if he's having the same dream? interesting

ShimmyMommy

StillHere wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

By me? I didn't have time to post earlier and I didn't know how to tag this thread otherwise. Sorry. :?

I think I do lucid dream. I have had varying experiences over my life. Currently, I have ones where my little son and I play or go for walks, I can "feel" when he holds my hand. It's kind of funny, as it feels so real. Then when I hear a sound or something, it feels like I am "jolted" back, and I wake up. My son usually wakes too, but falls back asleep rather quickly. I usually remember those dreams too. I sometimes can read things in my dreams. Maybe I am just overtired, and am not really sleeping as deeply as I should be.

oh.... i thought i was not getting something here

very cool that you both are awakened at the same time when you are dreaming...wonder if he's having the same dream? interesting

Now that i think of it, probably, because he does tell me about games we played...or places we went to...one night I dreamed us playing with our old dog, Buddy, who died years before he was born. The next day, at breakfast, my son was repeatedly calling the dog, "Buddy, where are you?" :shock:

Oh, just for the record, my son will be 2 at Christmas time, and buddy died 8 years ago. :think:

Loulou

Dreams fascinate me too. I remember most of mine but the one I think about the most was just after my husband's step-brother died. I always thought he was a really nice person but never really got to have a proper conversation with him.
So in this dream, we are sitting together cross-legged in what seemed like a gym shower room. No we weren't naked or anything stupid. Just sitting there and he starts off by telling me that he has brought me here to have a proper deep and meaningful talk because we never got to when he was alive. Anyway, cut a long story short, the dream felt like it went on for hours and hours. We talked about everything.
When I woke up, I felt like I knew him so much better. It was VERY strange. :?
Totally believe that there is more to dreams than meets the eye.

dcfaithful

I didn't read the whole tread, so maybe I missed it... and I apologize for going a little bit off topic, but this thread made me want to ask:

Does anyone else have very vivid, and overly odd dreams when they're sick, say with the flu or something of the like?

Whenever I'm sick, I have some of the most bizarre, yet memorable dreams.

When I was really young and was ill, I had a dream about my parents getting divorced. It was so "real" that it frightened me.

Couple years later, my parents marriage dissolved and they divorced. That always trips me out. I could be looking into it too much. Probably coincidence.

StillHere

ShimmyMommy wrote:

StillHere wrote:

ShimmyMommy wrote:

By me? I didn't have time to post earlier and I didn't know how to tag this thread otherwise. Sorry. :?

I think I do lucid dream. I have had varying experiences over my life. Currently, I have ones where my little son and I play or go for walks, I can "feel" when he holds my hand. It's kind of funny, as it feels so real. Then when I hear a sound or something, it feels like I am "jolted" back, and I wake up. My son usually wakes too, but falls back asleep rather quickly. I usually remember those dreams too. I sometimes can read things in my dreams. Maybe I am just overtired, and am not really sleeping as deeply as I should be.

oh.... i thought i was not getting something here

very cool that you both are awakened at the same time when you are dreaming...wonder if he's having the same dream? interesting

Now that i think of it, probably, because he does tell me about games we played...or places we went to...one night I dreamed us playing with our old dog, Buddy, who died years before he was born. The next day, at breakfast, my son was repeatedly calling the dog, "Buddy, where are you?" :shock:

Oh, just for the record, my son will be 2 at Christmas time, and buddy died 8 years ago. :think:

excellent..i have a daughter like that...you may be in for some very interesting times

Loulou

dcfaithful wrote:

I didn't read the whole tread, so maybe I missed it... and I apologize for going a little bit off topic, but this thread made me want to ask:

Does anyone else have very vivid, and overly odd dreams when they're sick, say with the flu or something of the like?

Whenever I'm sick, I have some of the most bizarre, yet memorable dreams.

When I was really young and was ill, I had a dream about my parents getting divorced. It was so "real" that it frightened me.

Couple years later, my parents marriage dissolved and they divorced. That always trips me out. I could be looking into it too much. Probably coincidence.

Yes, I have some pretty trippy dreams when I'm sick too but that's pretty sad. :(

Hey, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of 2 people having similar dreams on the same night?

StillHere

Loulou wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

I didn't read the whole tread, so maybe I missed it... and I apologize for going a little bit off topic, but this thread made me want to ask:

Does anyone else have very vivid, and overly odd dreams when they're sick, say with the flu or something of the like?

Whenever I'm sick, I have some of the most bizarre, yet memorable dreams.

When I was really young and was ill, I had a dream about my parents getting divorced. It was so "real" that it frightened me.

Couple years later, my parents marriage dissolved and they divorced. That always trips me out. I could be looking into it too much. Probably coincidence.

Yes, I have some pretty trippy dreams when I'm sick too but that's pretty sad. :(

Hey, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of 2 people having similar dreams on the same night?

awwww, lorna...fever dreams? crazy crazy shyte right?

yes! i have heard of that...but right this moment i can't recall who it was that told me, or the details...it'll come to me..... stay tuned

Loulou

StillHere wrote:

Loulou wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

I didn't read the whole tread, so maybe I missed it... and I apologize for going a little bit off topic, but this thread made me want to ask:

Does anyone else have very vivid, and overly odd dreams when they're sick, say with the flu or something of the like?

Whenever I'm sick, I have some of the most bizarre, yet memorable dreams.

When I was really young and was ill, I had a dream about my parents getting divorced. It was so "real" that it frightened me.

Couple years later, my parents marriage dissolved and they divorced. That always trips me out. I could be looking into it too much. Probably coincidence.

Yes, I have some pretty trippy dreams when I'm sick too but that's pretty sad. :(

Hey, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of 2 people having similar dreams on the same night?

awwww, lorna...fever dreams? crazy crazy shyte right?

yes! i have heard of that...but right this moment i can't recall who it was that told me, or the details...it'll come to me..... stay tuned

Cool, I'm intrigued!

EmBleve

StillHere wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

StillHere wrote:

.and that we choose our destinies before we arrive in this body, on this plane...and that although sometimes we may feel as if we are straying from those paths we are actually only sidelining for a bit and will continue on the basic path we have chosen to experience for this lifetime.

I totally agree with this. I've heard them referred to as 'option lines', and we choose which one to address in this life, or which one we want to challenge us in an effort to further understand it for the next life (or for the other side, or for one's spirit). whew..not enough time to get into this at the moment.
And someone mentioned astral projection; I tried this once (after many months of practice), and had a very unique and vivid experience in a dream as a direct result of it. It was powerful.

do tell

I was focusing on a single, specific person before I went to sleep (who is deceased), but I was open to anything or anybody who came through. It wasn't the person (in the dream) on whom I had focused, but another person whom I had never met, but it was so vivid and real, it was like it was happening. Long conversation, remember every detail. It was so overwhelming. First and only time I have had such an experience, but it wasn't 'just' a dream, of this I am sure.

StillHere

EmBleve wrote:

I was focusing on a single, specific person before I went to sleep (who is deceased), but I was open to anything or anybody who came through. It wasn't the person (in the dream) on whom I had focused, but another person whom I had never met, but it was so vivid and real, it was like it was happening. Long conversation, remember every detail. It was so overwhelming. First and only time I have had such an experience, but it wasn't 'just' a dream, of this I am sure.

awesome

several years ago my daughter (the one with all the "gifts") told me that she'd had a "conversation" with my dear friend Jose who had moved to NY a few months prior. She told me that he had been in an accident, and proceeded to give me details of where he was now .... and very odd things indeed.

Of course I protested, since she only has these conversations with people who have passed. And I told her that she must be mistaken...etc. etc. etc.

Only to find out about a week later that she had been absolutely spot on. He had been in some sort of a car chase or altercation with police and had been killed a few days earlier.

For her these are not dreams but more like waking dreams...and she knows things that seem at the very least impossible. There are SSSSoooooooo many of these stories I could tell, but those are for a different thread.

Anyway...sounds like your dream was something along those lines? Only asleep. You might want to cultivate that using your dreams, which it sounds as if you are. Eventually, if you are open to it, you may not need to be asleep..only meditating. Or have you gone there already?

ShimmyMommy

StillHere wrote:

excellent..i have a daughter like that...you may be in for some very interesting times

Yes, he's been talking about people long gone from this life...it's kind of fun...