And as DADT ends... here are 101 GLBT servicemen and women.

pandora

And the term homophobe is used at will, this when, for many people,
it just does not fit how they feel in the least.
It is a lack of understanding on everyone's part and promotes more hate.

Others may not agree with me but I go back to knowing and loving a gay
person as a friend or family member. This is where the connection lies...
this is where understanding comes from...Love.

Once you do love, your heart opens and your thoughts follow.

In the meantime live and let live and allow people their basic rights,
to be happy, have respect, love whom they like and be equal in their rights
as Americans.

he still stands

pandora wrote:

And the term homophobe is used at will, this when, for many people,
it just does not fit how they feel in the least.
It is a lack of understanding on everyone's part and promotes more hate.

Others may not agree with me but I go back to knowing and loving a gay
person as a friend or family member. This is where the connection lies...
this is where understanding comes from...Love.

Once you do love, your heart opens and your thoughts follow.

In the meantime live and let live and allow people their basic rights,
to be happy, have respect, love whom they like and be equal in their rights
as Americans.

methinks you live in your own little world of of meaninglessness via pseduo-poetic expression.

I don't know why you continue to try to rationalize hateful and ignorant remarks about homosexuals. It's much easier to recognize the reality of the situation and forgive someone for making a mistake, rather than cowardly shrink back from it because he's your friend.

cincybearcat

So, where do they shower?

Seriously though, DADT was never a good idea. Burying your head in the sand never helps you find the right answer to an issue.

pandora

he still stands wrote:

pandora wrote:

And the term homophobe is used at will, this when, for many people,
it just does not fit how they feel in the least.
It is a lack of understanding on everyone's part and promotes more hate.

Others may not agree with me but I go back to knowing and loving a gay
person as a friend or family member. This is where the connection lies...
this is where understanding comes from...Love.

Once you do love, your heart opens and your thoughts follow.

In the meantime live and let live and allow people their basic rights,
to be happy, have respect, love whom they like and be equal in their rights
as Americans.

methinks you live in your own little world of of meaninglessness via pseduo-poetic expression.

I don't know why you continue to try to rationalize hateful and ignorant remarks about homosexuals. It's much easier to recognize the reality of the situation and forgive someone for making a mistake, rather than cowardly shrink back from it because he's your friend.

me shrink back now that's funny...
Godfather and I would be laughing together on that one.
You do not know me for sure.... shrinking violet I am not.

I guess you think it is meaningless...
love respect understanding and its all poetry to you ...hmmm.

My words are directed at everyone and I understand everyones position here
agree or otherwise.
And I see the irony in all the intolerance and those who can not admit they are
intolerant of others.

Unlike you who wish to not understand but only label others instead...
perpetrating hate not understanding.

And where does that leave us all ... not moving forward that is for sure,
just wallowing in the same old crap.

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

But you as everyone will get what you/they dish in life.
What goes around comes around and don't do what you don't like others doing.
When you give love and understanding you are more likely to receive it.

I see. So it's my fault that I have an obnoxious, self-centered sibling. Got it.

I don't know but I do know that it does take two.

Funny... I haven't spoken to her in years and apparently she's still like that.

So maybe she's just a c*nt and it had nothing to do with me at all.

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

Honest question, why is the natural defense mechanism of gay men to call a straight man gay?

Just seems weird to me.

Because experience has taught us that the more irrationally homophobic a guy is, the more likely he's trying to cover up being gay himself.

pandora

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I see. So it's my fault that I have an obnoxious, self-centered sibling. Got it.

I don't know but I do know that it does take two.

Funny... I haven't spoken to her in years and apparently she's still like that.

So maybe she's just a c*nt and it had nothing to do with me at all.

and maybe not

often people are what is expected of them

take ownership in your part
we know you can't be all right especially calling your sister a hurtful name like that


reach out be the better person who knows ... love might find a way
If nothing else mutual respect could be the final resting place,
it is what you expect from others.

pandora

irrationally homophobic ... what is the definition of that?

is that how a gay person perceives a person or is it fact?

Like a list of actions that make a homophobe
and could that be swayed a bit also like a judgement call is?

If it is intolerance, that is everywhere gay and straight alike,
we see that here
and what about understanding?

that pretty much trumps all the name calling one would hope

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

irrationally homophobic ... what is the definition of that?

When someone says things like "i don't agree with it" or "I just don't like it" but have no explanation, rational or otherwise, as to what that actually means. When you ask them to explain what "I don't agree with it" actually is supposed to say... They just shrink away and refuse to just say "if I get to close I might accidentally blow him."

pandora

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

irrationally homophobic ... what is the definition of that?

When someone says things like "i don't agree with it" or "I just don't like it" but have no explanation, rational or otherwise, as to what that actually means. When you ask them to explain what "I don't agree with it" actually is supposed to say... They just shrink away and refuse to just say "if I get to close I might accidentally blow him."

That does not seem like a good description of an irrational homophobic but a great way
to get another insult in. An insult that looks irrational really.

Someone can respectfully decline an explanation
just posting a yay or nay at times.
Sometimes it could just be a 'I don't like the idea'

kind of like the use of derogatory names.

I think it was done respectfully and accepted by the other poster in their conversation,
if I remember correctly back a few pages. Very cordial it was.
But then others inflamed the situation really not respecting the nay at all.

I thought why is that ... why so important to some what one poster's opinion is?

Or is it just the fight that is enjoyed?
I guess a good chance to sling some names and hate about.... again.

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

irrationally homophobic ... what is the definition of that?

When someone says things like "i don't agree with it" or "I just don't like it" but have no explanation, rational or otherwise, as to what that actually means. When you ask them to explain what "I don't agree with it" actually is supposed to say... They just shrink away and refuse to just say "if I get to close I might accidentally blow him."

O.K you really want to know how I feel about the gay thing ???...it sickens me ! especially the males, to see a ...man.. act like a woman turns my stomic and honestly I have never met a gay man that I would befriend
most of you guys shoot off your mouth about gay rights and then you say it's not a choice...let me tell you something man every time you bend over or open your mouth you made that choice to do so...so that's how I fell about it have a nice day.

Godfather.

he still stands

Godfather. wrote:

O.K you really want to know how I feel about the gay thing ???...it sickens me ! especially the males, to see a ...man.. act like a woman turns my stomic and honestly I have never met a gay man that I would befriend
most of you guys shoot off your mouth about gay rights and then you say it's not a choice...let me tell you something man every time you bend over or open your mouth you made that choice to do so...so that's how I fell about it have a nice day.

Godfather.

Pandora; take note ^^^^^^^ and please try to defend Godather's gay bashing / homophobic behavior. It's so funny it makes my "stomic" hurt from all the laughter.

cincybearcat

Godfather. wrote:

O.K you really want to know how I feel about the gay thing ???...it sickens me ! especially the males, to see a ...man.. act like a woman turns my stomic and honestly I have never met a gay man that I would befriend
most of you guys shoot off your mouth about gay rights and then you say it's not a choice...let me tell you something man every time you bend over or open your mouth you made that choice to do so...so that's how I fell about it have a nice day.

Godfather.

Godfather - you know what, the thought of gay men together sickens me too. But the reality is that those same gay man probably get sickened at the thought of being with a woman too.

There are a lot of things that I find sick and disgusting that I don't want to do myself. But that doesn't mean I should stop everyone from doing it. And gay people deserve the right to live their lives the way they see fit and have the same rights of anyone else. What if it were the other way around and your instinct of loving women was the outcast. Is that a choice you are making? Could you just change? And if it's not a choice and you can't change, do you think it would be right that you could not make medical decisions for you loved one?

It's one thing to not like something...it's another to make laws to keep others from doing it when it hurts nobody. You don't have to like it, you just have to respect others enough to stop standing in their way.

ComeToTX

Godfather. wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

irrationally homophobic ... what is the definition of that?

When someone says things like "i don't agree with it" or "I just don't like it" but have no explanation, rational or otherwise, as to what that actually means. When you ask them to explain what "I don't agree with it" actually is supposed to say... They just shrink away and refuse to just say "if I get to close I might accidentally blow him."

O.K you really want to know how I feel about the gay thing ???...it sickens me ! especially the males, to see a ...man.. act like a woman turns my stomic and honestly I have never met a gay man that I would befriend
most of you guys shoot off your mouth about gay rights and then you say it's not a choice...let me tell you something man every time you bend over or open your mouth you made that choice to do so...so that's how I fell about it have a nice day.

Godfather.

WOW! That is some hateful shit right there.

Sometimes when I'm joking with my wife I call her a cunt. She laughs about it...and she's the best person I've ever known.

Don't assume everyone is offended by the same shit. That said intolerance of anyones lifestyle is offensive.

pandora

he still stands wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

O.K you really want to know how I feel about the gay thing ???...it sickens me ! especially the males, to see a ...man.. act like a woman turns my stomic and honestly I have never met a gay man that I would befriend
most of you guys shoot off your mouth about gay rights and then you say it's not a choice...let me tell you something man every time you bend over or open your mouth you made that choice to do so...so that's how I fell about it have a nice day.

Godfather.

Pandora; take note ^^^^^^^ and please try to defend Godather's gay bashing / homophobic behavior. It's so funny it makes my "stomic" hurt from all the laughter.

Godfather is honest and open and speaks from his heart,
what his convictions tell him are right.

These are traits I admire very much. I also believe in his right to share his opinion.

His words did not insult in this post. No name calling but then he is met with
derogatory names. Making fun of spelling really?? You aren't listening, you made up your mind.
As you did with me because I am a friend.

I do think his views are definitely razzed, egged on, like when he says he'd rather not explain,
then he is met with hate and disgust even when not saying anything.
Round and round.

Which of course makes neither 'front' correct,
I'm not sure the op is a great example for tolerance or love and respect
perhaps the threads would be more positive if he was.

Hate makes more hate so how can the world get better.

ComeToTX

I broke my own rule in my last post. I hate when people use the term "lifestyle" to describe sexual preference. It's not a lifestyle, it's life. Just wanted to clear that up.

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

Sometimes when I'm joking with my wife I call her a cunt. She laughs about it...and she's the best person I've ever known.

Don't assume everyone is offended by the same shit. That said intolerance of anyones lifestyle is offensive.

The op is not joking with a mate... it is his sister and he means it.
He means it because of her past behavior.

So he is intolerant due to her behavior ...
same thing he is angry with others for, them being intolerant of his behavior.

Oh the irony ....

He is intolerant of his own sister and her lifestyle/choices/ behavior but still demands others
to treat him with tolerance. The golden rule applies here.

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

I broke my own rule in my last post. I hate when people use the term "lifestyle" to describe sexual preference. It's not a lifestyle, it's life. Just wanted to clear that up.

well then I broke your rule too

Godfather.

cincybearcat wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

O.K you really want to know how I feel about the gay thing ???...it sickens me ! especially the males, to see a ...man.. act like a woman turns my stomic and honestly I have never met a gay man that I would befriend
most of you guys shoot off your mouth about gay rights and then you say it's not a choice...let me tell you something man every time you bend over or open your mouth you made that choice to do so...so that's how I fell about it have a nice day.

Godfather.

Godfather - you know what, the thought of gay men together sickens me too. But the reality is that those same gay man probably get sickened at the thought of being with a woman too.

There are a lot of things that I find sick and disgusting that I don't want to do myself. But that doesn't mean I should stop everyone from doing it. And gay people deserve the right to live their lives the way they see fit and have the same rights of anyone else. What if it were the other way around and your instinct of loving women was the outcast. Is that a choice you are making? Could you just change? And if it's not a choice and you can't change, do you think it would be right that you could not make medical decisions for you loved one?

It's one thing to not like something...it's another to make laws to keep others from doing it when it hurts nobody. You don't have to like it, you just have to respect others enough to stop standing in their way.

I'm not one of those guys that goes around bashing gay people,if that's what they want to do that's fine by me
but these two POD and HSS have got to a point on this forum that that is all they talk about,I simply said "I don't like it" and these two *****start giving me a bunch of shit for saying I don't like it so now who's pushing ones life style on others ? I have not heard one woman on here go into a gay flame-out like these two have ..these two just make me want to puke !!!

Godfather.

Drowned Out

un-fucking-real.
No name calling from godfather...but to say 'it sickens me', ' it turns my stomic', then make derogatory comments about gay sexuality, generalizations about gay men, and flat out mistruths about being gay - all in one post...is ok, and just speaking openly and honestly....because it didn't end with 'fag' or another name?

Whats the difference? Keep rationalizing the hate you just admitted he spouts pandora. You condone it with your defense.

This dinosaur mentality will die with your generation. Good fucking riddance.