And as DADT ends... here are 101 GLBT servicemen and women.

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Pandora... I didn't call you or all women a "c*nt."

    I called my obnoxious, self-centered and selfish bratty sister a c*nt. I can't think of another word that fits.

    This is the person who threw a huge fit that I wouldn't be an usher at her wedding (when she'd been living with the guy for years but threatened me if I told the grandparents because they were going to "buy us new stuff for our new home) and then sat there with a satisfied look on her face when I sat in the front row and the minister said during the ceremony (at my sister's insistence, by the way) that it's not "a real marriage unless there are children."

    This is a person who's gone out of her way to "get even" with me for our parents being closer with me when the distant relationship she has with them is her own fault... her selfish, rude and totally irrational behavior for most of her life made it impossible to even like her much. Every family event would turn into a huge argument if she didn't get her way... she would bulldoze over the whole family and throw outrageous and embarrassing temper tantrums if people didn't do as she said... If you can think of a word that better describes her, I'm all ears.

    And it has zero to do with the topic at hand. I don't find it surprising that you desperately look for a way to get upset. It's part of your... modus operandi.
    No I get upset when you call your sister that ... sorry it is rude and offensive and
    any person with a heart would not do that no matter what.

    Most especially you who says they have been abused by intolerance...
    you of all brothers should know how words hurt especially coming from loved ones.

    And you should know forgiveness and be tolerant and understanding...
    it is what you want in this world for all.... yes? for your fellow gays.

    I can imagine how she would feel... no wonder your relationship is broken.

    Takes two to love and to fix and you could be the better man and start now
    by not calling her terrible derogatory names and know that the past can not be changed only the future.

    And we are all working on that hopefully
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    I WAS RIGHT ABOUT YOU !!!!!
    you might want to take your own advice cup cake and get over your own self.

    Godfather.


    Actually... no... I think he's right about you.

    You get yourself worked up into a big pool of Santorum every time the subject of gay anything comes up. You go out of your way to make bizarre, meaningless statements like "I don't agree with it" or "I don't like it" but refuse to explain what you mean by that.

    And you seem to use a lot of girly gay references like "cupcake" and "fruit cake" which only the deeply-closeted men use.

    Just come out, Godfather... you'll feel much better.


    you don't get out much do ya :lol:

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    I WAS RIGHT ABOUT YOU !!!!!
    you might want to take your own advice cup cake and get over your own self.

    Godfather.


    Actually... no... I think he's right about you.

    You get yourself worked up into a big pool of Santorum every time the subject of gay anything comes up. You go out of your way to make bizarre, meaningless statements like "I don't agree with it" or "I don't like it" but refuse to explain what you mean by that.

    And you seem to use a lot of girly gay references like "cupcake" and "fruit cake" which only the deeply-closeted men use.

    Just come out, Godfather... you'll feel much better.


    Godfather.


    you don't get out much do ya ? are you having secrete fantasys of being straight ! I'm so proud of you !
    and btw NEVE..NEVER use the C word...that one can get you in lots of trouble !

    Godfather.
  • yes, let's shield our hateful statements about gay people with our sancrosanct views of the word CUNT. Prince doesn't "have a heart" because he used that word? WOW.

    Who cares? What is important is our intention of the use of the word. No one here is using it to describe a group of people. No one here is saying it to offend anyone else here. But it is somehow more important than other people's outright racial bigotry and hate speech.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    yes, let's shield our hateful statements about gay people with our sancrosanct views of the word CUNT. Prince doesn't "have a heart" because he used that word? WOW.

    Who cares? What is important is our intention of the use of the word. No one here is using it to describe a group of people. No one here is saying it to offend anyone else here. But it is somehow more important than other people's outright racial bigotry and hate speech.


    did somebody break wind ??? It smells funny around here all the sudden. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Godfather. wrote:
    yes, let's shield our hateful statements about gay people with our sancrosanct views of the word CUNT. Prince doesn't "have a heart" because he used that word? WOW.

    Who cares? What is important is our intention of the use of the word. No one here is using it to describe a group of people. No one here is saying it to offend anyone else here. But it is somehow more important than other people's outright racial bigotry and hate speech.


    did somebody break wind ??? It smells funny around here all the sudden. :lol:

    Godfather.

    You may need a tic-tac. :P
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    congrats on the USA for catching up to many other countries in the world. now if only you guys could work on all the other rights that the LGBT community are facing concerning discrimination that would be great.
  • Is calling a guy an asshole, dickhead, or son of a bitch make you hate all men?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    yes, let's shield our hateful statements about gay people with our sancrosanct views of the word CUNT. Prince doesn't "have a heart" because he used that word? WOW.

    Who cares? What is important is our intention of the use of the word. No one here is using it to describe a group of people. No one here is saying it to offend anyone else here. But it is somehow more important than other people's outright racial bigotry and hate speech.


    did somebody break wind ??? It smells funny around here all the sudden. :lol:

    Godfather.

    You may need a tic-tac. :P

    JP that was great ! :lol:


    Godfather.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Is calling a guy an asshole, dickhead, or son of a bitch make you hate all men?
    I'm afraid you missed my point

    he called his sister that ... very disrespectful and intolerant of family

    this it seems from his explanation, he did because he judges her as living her life wrong...
    something he can not adjust to, she is displaying behavior he can not admire
    and he refuses to open his heart and forgive or tolerate such behavior.

    I don't see that as being so different than people who can not or will not
    adjust how they feel towards gays? They feel it is wrong... that they are living their lives wrong
    and do not want to say it is ok when they do not believe it to be so.

    How can a gay person hope to help change this if they can not be an example
    in their own lives. They are asking for something they can not give.
    Many people it seems can not either.

    Everyone knows how to demand change in others but don't see the need in themselves...
    right?

    So why should those people who are not politically correct have to change
    and grow to be better people when others do not have to.

    cast no stones... and live and let live this everyone can do
    everyone learns eventually all in good time

    Godfather has been honest and to the point in many threads about how he feels
    and what he believes. It is no new news, neither the arguing and name calling
    on everyone's part.

    I have been blessed during my life to love many gay people this has opened my eyes and heart.

    One thing about Godfather he does not intentionally hurt others. His heart is big
    and his experience has lead to how he feels which is his right.

    As far as gays openly admitting they are gay in the military, I don't know the cons.
    I see one if everyone is forced to do so and they are not comfortable doing that.
    And if not openly gay what are the repercussions for those who choose to remain in the closet.
    I think there may be more but I don't know how the military works... never been in it.

    I will fight... have fought along side gays for their personal rights to be who they are

    we all deserve that and love and acceptance ... even crappy sisters
  • ah jeezus.... who cares about Prince's cunty sister. Let it go. I'm sure some people call me a dick. I'm sure my brother has at some point. I don't get my manties in a bunch about it and if I was a woman I wouldn't get all pretentious feminazi on everyone, either.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    ah jeezus.... who cares about Prince's cunty sister. Let it go. I'm sure some people call me a dick. I'm sure my brother has at some point. I don't get my manties in a bunch about it and if I was a woman I wouldn't get all pretentious feminazi on everyone, either.
    His behavior and your behavior is the exact same behavior you are disgusted by ... intolerance
    for another human being


    but how can you then expect more from others?


    I have a feeling you don't want to see my point just minimize it ...
  • pandora wrote:
    ah jeezus.... who cares about Prince's cunty sister. Let it go. I'm sure some people call me a dick. I'm sure my brother has at some point. I don't get my manties in a bunch about it and if I was a woman I wouldn't get all pretentious feminazi on everyone, either.
    His behavior and your behavior is the exact same behavior you are disgusted by ... intolerance
    for another human being


    but how can you then expect more from others?


    I have a feeling you don't want to see my point just minimize it ...

    I have no idea what you're talking about. We aren't being "intolerant" of you... we both just agree that your opinion is abhorrent. Disagreeing with someone on a message board isn't the same as discriminating against them for some arbitrary reason in real life.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    ah jeezus.... who cares about Prince's cunty sister. Let it go. I'm sure some people call me a dick. I'm sure my brother has at some point. I don't get my manties in a bunch about it and if I was a woman I wouldn't get all pretentious feminazi on everyone, either.
    His behavior and your behavior is the exact same behavior you are disgusted by ... intolerance
    for another human being


    but how can you then expect more from others?


    I have a feeling you don't want to see my point just minimize it ...

    I have no idea what you're talking about. We aren't being "intolerant" of you... we both just agree that your opinion is abhorrent. Disagreeing with someone on a message board isn't the same as discriminating against them for some arbitrary reason in real life.
    It is not me I am speaking of... the intolerance :? yes I can see you have no idea...

    what is my opinion again I think you should start there cause I believe my opinion on this topic is the same as yours
  • pandora wrote:
    It is not me I am speaking of... the intolerance :? yes I can see you have no idea...

    what is my opinion again I think you should start there cause I believe my opinion on this topic is the same as yours

    you've inherently adopted Godfather's bigoted position by supporting him on this topic.

    If that's not your opinion... fine... why are we here again? To talk about Prince's use of the word "cunt?" No thanks. I'm pretty established in my "zero censorship" point of view.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    It is not me I am speaking of... the intolerance :? yes I can see you have no idea...

    what is my opinion again I think you should start there cause I believe my opinion on this topic is the same as yours

    you've inherently adopted Godfather's bigoted position by supporting him on this topic.

    If that's not your opinion... fine... why are we here again? To talk about Prince's use of the word "cunt?" No thanks. I'm pretty established in my "zero censorship" point of view.
    I can support a friend and not agree with him... that is the wonderful thing

    it is not censorship, I too agree with freedom of speech although personally for me
    not in being disrespectful

    and you will not see the connection to intolerance in his behavior

    or your own!
  • pandora wrote:
    I can support a friend and not agree with him... that is the wonderful thing

    it is not censorship, I too agree with freedom of speech although personally for me
    not in being disrespectful

    and you will not see the connection to intolerance in his behavior

    or your own!

    no, I don't see where I've been intolerant... except for the posts that were homophobic and my response to those. I don't have tolerance for ignorance.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    I can support a friend and not agree with him... that is the wonderful thing

    it is not censorship, I too agree with freedom of speech although personally for me
    not in being disrespectful

    and you will not see the connection to intolerance in his behavior

    or your own!

    no, I don't see where I've been intolerant... except for the posts that were homophobic and my response to those. I don't have tolerance for ignorance.
    No it seems you have no tolerance for those who do not agree with you,
    even for me when you thought I sided with another poster
    and icing is ....I agree with you on this topic!

    I am able to be friends with someone I do not always agree with because I understand,
    things are not so black and white. I can admire a person for all our differences,
    and try to see a person for their heart.

    Try a little understanding.... it is just exactly what you are demanding of others,
    otherwise you perpetuate the intolerance and hate.

    If you don't like it don't do it yourself.
  • it's simple. Let me explain it for you simply;

    Godfather took an incredibly ignorant, hateful, bigoted and archaic position on homosexuality and even went so low as "name calling" to myself (I'm straight, but that isn't of any relevance) and Prince, who is gay.

    You derailed the thread and us (Prince and I) calling out Godfather by trying to shift the focus to Prince's comments about his sister. You've explicity done this because Godfather is your friend here.

    So, I'm not being "intolerant", I'm simply calling you out for a) not staying on point b) derailing a thread c) having an illogical opinion about the word "cunt" and d) implicity supporting Godfather's bigoted opinion.

    That's all. There's nothing "intolerant" about it.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    it's simple. Let me explain it for you simply;

    Godfather took an incredibly ignorant, hateful, bigoted and archaic position on homosexuality and even went so low as "name calling" to myself (I'm straight, but that isn't of any relevance) and Prince, who is gay.

    You derailed the thread and us (Prince and I) calling out Godfather by trying to shift the focus to Prince's comments about his sister. You've explicity done this because Godfather is your friend here.

    So, I'm not being "intolerant", I'm simply calling you out for a) not staying on point b) derailing a thread c) having an illogical opinion about the word "cunt" and d) implicity supporting Godfather's bigoted opinion.

    That's all. There's nothing "intolerant" about it.
    INCORRECT!

    if another poster was in this thread I would have pointed out the same
    had nothing to do with who was in the thread

    it is relevant to the discussion in that...

    my point towards this discussion

    do not be intolerant of others...
    don't expect something from them that you yourself do not do in your personal life
    or here on the board. That is hypocritical.


    The op did not just use a word he was intolerant of his sisters behavior which is exactly what
    he and you are opposed to. Name calling at its worse and towards a family member.

    This why I spoke out. Nothing to do with another poster.

    I was incredibly shocked by the post
    that screamed hate and intolerance towards a family member.
    This when tolerance for others is the issue. Is this an oxymoron

    Your words and opinions are extremely intolerant of others. Take notice.
    You do the same or worse towards another but say you are tolerant :?

    this also my point... hate makes more hate... intolerance multiplies by two
    then four then...


    and who is ignorant? maybe everyone can try understanding each other instead of name calling
    this is what will bring positive change
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,262
    Whats to be celebrated here is the FACT that those willing to protect and defend the constitution of the united states can fully be themselves while the serve this country. End of story. There will be som etransition to be sure but nothing like the big blowup the some of the brass tried to say would happen. I think in the end the question "do you still have my back?" was answered with a resounding yes. For the most part thats all a grunt cares about.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    pandora wrote:
    I can support a friend and not agree with him... that is the wonderful thing

    it is not censorship, I too agree with freedom of speech although personally for me
    not in being disrespectful

    and you will not see the connection to intolerance in his behavior

    or your own!

    no, I don't see where I've been intolerant... except for the posts that were homophobic and my response to those. I don't have tolerance for ignorance.

    it must be hard to live with your self.... btw do you and your friends still play dress up ? lately you've sounded kinda girly girlish......not that there's anything with that..it's just that I think we might see your true colors coming... out ;)

    Godfather.
  • pandora wrote:
    His behavior and your behavior is the exact same behavior you are disgusted by ... intolerance
    for another human being


    but how can you then expect more from others?

    So... I have to "tollerate" and support and accept the obnoxious and rude and vile and just plain vindictively mean behavior of my sister if I expect others to allow me some equality?

    Well... following that logic, you have zero right to get on my dress about using the word "cunt," then. Because you don't tolerate my choice of words and you don't accept my use of them.

    So... try listening to yourself for a bit. Thanks.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    His behavior and your behavior is the exact same behavior you are disgusted by ... intolerance
    for another human being


    but how can you then expect more from others?

    So... I have to "tollerate" and support and accept the obnoxious and rude and vile and just plain vindictively mean behavior of my sister if I expect others to allow me some equality?

    Well... following that logic, you have zero right to get on my dress about using the word "cunt," then. Because you don't tolerate my choice of words and you don't accept my use of them.

    So... try listening to yourself for a bit. Thanks.
    yes you do need to try to tolerate as others try to do ... it is what you are expecting others to do for you when they do not agree with you. Try a little understanding if you expect the same

    Actually I must tolerate the choice of language doesn't mean I have to agree with it
    or use it myself. Name calling is not my style. But I accept your right to do it, of course.
    And others to do it to you... however wrong I think that is. Hate making more hate.

    But you as everyone will get what you/they dish in life.
    What goes around comes around and don't do what you don't like others doing.
    When you give love and understanding you are more likely to receive it.
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    pandora wrote:
    His behavior and your behavior is the exact same behavior you are disgusted by ... intolerance
    for another human being


    but how can you then expect more from others?

    So... I have to "tollerate" and support and accept the obnoxious and rude and vile and just plain vindictively mean behavior of my sister if I expect others to allow me some equality?

    Well... following that logic, you have zero right to get on my dress about using the word "cunt," then. Because you don't tolerate my choice of words and you don't accept my use of them.

    So... try listening to yourself for a bit. Thanks.

    What she is trying to articulate to you is, YOU are the obnoxious, rude and vile one (hey maybe it runs in the family) and let me add You have the nasty's language of anyone on the MT.
    Would you tolerate the word Faggot?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,262
    aerial wrote:
    So... I have to "tollerate" and support and accept the obnoxious and rude and vile and just plain vindictively mean behavior of my sister if I expect others to allow me some equality?

    Well... following that logic, you have zero right to get on my dress about using the word "cunt," then. Because you don't tolerate my choice of words and you don't accept my use of them.

    So... try listening to yourself for a bit. Thanks.

    What she is trying to articulate to you is, YOU are the obnoxious, rude and vile one (hey maybe it runs in the family) and let me add You have the nasty's language of anyone on the MT.
    Would you tolerate the word Faggot?
    Umm, really? This too?
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • aerial wrote:
    Would you tolerate the word Faggot?

    No, but from, you I'd expect it.
  • pandora wrote:
    But you as everyone will get what you/they dish in life.
    What goes around comes around and don't do what you don't like others doing.
    When you give love and understanding you are more likely to receive it.

    I see. So it's my fault that I have an obnoxious, self-centered sibling. Got it.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    But you as everyone will get what you/they dish in life.
    What goes around comes around and don't do what you don't like others doing.
    When you give love and understanding you are more likely to receive it.

    I see. So it's my fault that I have an obnoxious, self-centered sibling. Got it.
    I don't know but I do know that it does take two.

    I'm not trying to find fault I'm trying to help and I know no one asked for that.

    When I feel this kind of thing in families I know there are more than just one hurting
    no matter how low they shove the pain down... it hurts and is a disappointment.
    This family interaction is lethal to love.

    Each one is an individual and can make a difference if only for themselves,
    which is really the most important thing.
    We are working on ourselves and can change ourselves to let love in even if we don't get it
    back, even if the other family member doesn't get it.

    I've learned never be too proud to forgive, don't have to forget,
    but forgiving and giving can make more and if nothing else it is very freeing.

    Anyway this my reaction to your words, runs deep for me cause I once found myself
    filled with hate and had to forgive and let it go. Not for them but for me.
  • Godfather. wrote:
    I WAS RIGHT ABOUT YOU !!!!!
    you might want to take your own advice cup cake and get over your own self.

    Godfather.


    Actually... no... I think he's right about you.

    You get yourself worked up into a big pool of Santorum every time the subject of gay anything comes up. You go out of your way to make bizarre, meaningless statements like "I don't agree with it" or "I don't like it" but refuse to explain what you mean by that.

    And you seem to use a lot of girly gay references like "cupcake" and "fruit cake" which only the deeply-closeted men use.

    Just come out, Godfather... you'll feel much better.

    Honest question, why is the natural defense mechanism of gay men to call a straight man gay?

    Just seems weird to me.
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