Very heavy hearted this morning about the injustice. I read on Mother Jones yesterday that some 34% of Americans believe that there are mistakes in the death penalty, and innocent people have been executed, yet they STILL support the death penalty!
I read on Mother Jones yesterday that some 34% of Americans believe that there are mistakes in the death penalty, and innocent people have been executed, yet they STILL support the death penalty!
That's because the death penalty has nothing to do with justice. It's just blood-lust.
I read on Mother Jones yesterday that some 34% of Americans believe that there are mistakes in the death penalty, and innocent people have been executed, yet they STILL support the death penalty!
That's because the death penalty has nothing to do with justice. It's just blood-lust.
I don't agree exactly that it is blood lust. I think it is a desire for revenge. I think that in the minds of death penalty supporters, revenge is justice. It is a tragic and self-defeating categorical error to make. And in many cases, I believe it to be an error stemming from a simplistic, self-serving and decontextualised interpretation of the old eye-for-an-eye adage.
"How dangerous it is rashly to adopt the Mosaical institutions [Old Testament teachings of eye for an eye]. Laws might have been proper for a tribe of ardent barbarians wandering through the sands of Arabia which are wholly unfit for an enlightened people of civilized and gentle manners." -an attorney general of Pennsylvania in the 1790s
"It can be argued that rapists deserve to be raped, that mutilators deserve to be mutilated. Most societies, however, refrain from responding in this way because the punishment is not only degrading to those on whom it is imposed, but it is also degrading to the society that engages in the same behavior as the criminals."
-Stephen Bright, human rights attorney http://www.antideathpenalty.org
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MacPhail's son and brother watched the execution in silence. Prosecutors and MacPhail's family said after the execution that justice had finally been served.
Mark MacPhail Jr. was 7 weeks old when his father was taken away. He was asleep in his crib while his father worked security at a downtown bus station to help support his growing family.
MacPhail's son and brother watched the execution in silence. Prosecutors and MacPhail's family said after the execution that justice had finally been served.
Mark MacPhail Jr. was 7 weeks old when his father was taken away. He was asleep in his crib while his father worked security at a downtown bus station to help support his growing family.
RIP Mark MacPhail
that is a tragedy that MacPhail was killed.
i am not surprised in the least by this, but you support and celebrate the killing of the wrong man in this case, and i find that utterly disgusting. there was too much of a reasonable doubt and at the very least it should have been delayed.
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Troy Davis' execution has been described as a legal lynching. Around much of the world, we are seen as a murdeous, brutal society. A friend from Germany said this morning:
"Yes, I also followed the case of Troy Davis. They 'killed' him this morning. After so much protest around the world. Yesterday I prayed to God for not executing him, but this was not in his hands. Even pro-death-penalty people in the U.S. were against this, how can they kill a man, when 7 of 9 witnesses changed their mind and nothing was really there that showed he was guilty. I don´t understand things like that!!!"
This is how most of the world sees this act. None of us are happy that Mark MacPhail was killed- that was tragic- but killing Troy Davis was wrong. In my opinion, all killing is wrong. This is a dark day in America.
No more killing, no more hate.
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MacPhail's son and brother watched the execution in silence. Prosecutors and MacPhail's family said after the execution that justice had finally been served.
Mark MacPhail Jr. was 7 weeks old when his father was taken away. He was asleep in his crib while his father worked security at a downtown bus station to help support his growing family.
RIP Mark MacPhail
that is a tragedy that MacPhail was killed.
i am not surprised in the least by this, but you support the killing of the wrong man in this case, and i find that utterly disgusting.
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i am a little pissed off at the hypocracy of liberals in the media. i understand the outrage about the Troy Davis case and how people like Al Sharpton and Barry Scheck were railing against the death penalty in this case, yet not one peep about the man who murdered James Byrd in texas. not one sentence condemning texas for the murder they were about to commit.
we can not pick and choose which cases that we are against the death penalty. either we are against it in all cases, or we support it..
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MacPhail's son and brother watched the execution in silence. Prosecutors and MacPhail's family said after the execution that justice had finally been served.
Mark MacPhail Jr. was 7 weeks old when his father was taken away. He was asleep in his crib while his father worked security at a downtown bus station to help support his growing family.
RIP Mark MacPhail
Unlike a lot of people who seem to be celebrating Troy Davis' death, no one celebrates MacPhail's death.
My whole life
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MacPhail's son and brother watched the execution in silence. Prosecutors and MacPhail's family said after the execution that justice had finally been served.
Mark MacPhail Jr. was 7 weeks old when his father was taken away. He was asleep in his crib while his father worked security at a downtown bus station to help support his growing family.
RIP Mark MacPhail
Unlike a lot of people who seem to be celebrating Troy Davis' death, no one celebrates MacPhail's death.
Very heavy hearted this morning about the injustice. I read on Mother Jones yesterday that some 34% of Americans believe that there are mistakes in the death penalty, and innocent people have been executed, yet they STILL support the death penalty!
66% are naive morons
So the death penalty has been around for a long long time. Even if there is one mistake(there has been numerous)
1 person killed by being innocent should halt the slaughter of any future human beings.
It amazes me that so many believe every fucking thing their government spoon feeds them, even when evidence clearly proves otherwise.
No independent critical thinking taking place in our society anymore
i am a little pissed off at the hypocracy of liberals in the media. i understand the outrage about the Troy Davis case and how people like Al Sharpton and Barry Scheck were railing against the death penalty in this case, yet not one peep about the man who murdered James Byrd in texas. not one sentence condemning texas for the murder they were about to commit.
we can not pick and choose which cases that we are against the death penalty. either we are against it in all cases, or we support it..
They way I see it, there appeared to be enough uncertainty in the Troy Davis case that the execution should have been put off for further examination.
In regards to Lawrence Brewer, the guy who brutally murdered James Byrd by dragging him for three miles behind a pick-up truck until his head and arm were severed, he had this to say before he was executed:
"As far as any regrets, no, I have no regrets. No, I'd do it all over again, to tell you the truth."
Well, I don't have any regrets that the state of Texas injected him with a lethal cocktail of death. Good riddance.
If one takes some time to study what this 'justice system" is about, innocent until proven guilty...
That isn't even the point. I just know that DEATH was not, is never, appropriate.
I hate that. I hate US as a country for it.
I feel that I was brain-washed as a child to love America, as I had my head between my knees during bomb drills in the late 60's in San Francisco...Terrify children. Great tactic....God I am sad about this. There are no "bomb drills" for what is happening to our children (and theirs) now.
Here's an example of the arbitrariness of the death penalty that renders it indefencible, and a fundamental violation of justice.
Juan Roberto Melendez-Colon spent over 17 years on Death Row in Florida for a 1983 murder that he did not commit.
Just like Troy Davis, no physical evidence linked him to the crime
Just like Troy Davis at his trial the only evidence used to justify killing him was the testimony of highly unreliable witnesses.
Just like in Troy Davis' case, another man confessed to the crime.
Juan was released, Troy was killed.
The American justice system is a contradiction in terms.
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i am a little pissed off at the hypocracy of liberals in the media. i understand the outrage about the Troy Davis case and how people like Al Sharpton and Barry Scheck were railing against the death penalty in this case, yet not one peep about the man who murdered James Byrd in texas. not one sentence condemning texas for the murder they were about to commit.
we can not pick and choose which cases that we are against the death penalty. either we are against it in all cases, or we support it..
They way I see it, there appeared to be enough uncertainty in the Troy Davis case that the execution should have been put off for further examination.
In regards to Lawrence Brewer, the guy who brutally murdered James Byrd by dragging him for three miles behind a pick-up truck until his head and arm were severed, he had this to say before he was executed:
"As far as any regrets, no, I have no regrets. No, I'd do it all over again, to tell you the truth."
Well, I don't have any regrets that the state of Texas injected him with a lethal cocktail of death. Good riddance.
I am fine with this fuck being executed. I can accept very very rare cases such as this, McVeigh and Peterson where their crimes are absolutely sickening and they clearly guilty. Troy Davis on the other hand should not be put to death under any circumstsance.
The Asshole who killed James Byrd didn't value James' life and probably could give a shit about his own hence the no regrets final words
Life in Prison is no picnic, I'm sure we all have thought or had a nightmare about this scenario and I'd opt for death personally. Especially in the case of Byrds murderer where there is no doubt he did this and wouldn't be freed like the WM3. What's there to look forward too?? Ass rape, horrible food, fights, cement walls
I think we are doing some a favor while executing some innocence in the process
In regards to Lawrence Brewer, the guy who brutally murdered James Byrd by dragging him for three miles behind a pick-up truck until his head and arm were severed, he had this to say before he was executed:
"As far as any regrets, no, I have no regrets. No, I'd do it all over again, to tell you the truth."
Well, I don't have any regrets that the state of Texas injected him with a lethal cocktail of death. Good riddance.
I am fine with this fuck being executed. I can accept very very rare cases such as this, McVeigh and Peterson where their crimes are absolutely sickening and they clearly guilty. Troy Davis on the other hand should not be put to death under any circumstsance.
It's because he'd do it again that he deserved to be in prison. And it's because he was in prison that he wasn't able to do it again. The objective has been achieved. That's the purpose of a justice system. That's enough. No further justice is served by killing him. As the tone of your rhetoric shows, it serves no other purpose other than an extraneous add-on to satisfy people's hunger for vengeance against things they are particularly revulsed by. That revulsion and urge for vengeance might be understandable from a subjective, instinctual and emotive perspective, but it is not justifiable to act upon it.
In fact, I would consider it the key duty of a justice system to prevent and override that reaction and to ensure rationality and fair justice are at the core of the response to such crimes. In the US, however - at least in the states that continue to apply the death penalty - the justice system feeds into that reaction, that base desire for vengeance, rather than transcending, managing and controlling it, as any responsible, civilised and properly functional justice system should and must.
For the guilty as well as the innocent, for Brewer as well as Davis, the death penalty does not and cannot constitute justice, it is an abuse of power and a gross violation of what justice is supposed to mean. It serves no worth, and it demeans and brutalises any society that engages in it. As long as the US retains it, it's justice system will always be dysfunctional and unjust.
That's my opinion on the matter, anyway...
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i believe in the death penalty but i think it should only be used in clear-cut obvious cases. a case like Troy Davis common sense should take over to hold off on an execution when clear guilt is not fully established. sadly in pretty much everything these days common sense isn't all that common.
and if you guys really want to weed out injustice in the american system take a peek at how some states treat non-violent megan's law and sex offenders. some of the punishment's in those cases far outweigh the crime.
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In regards to Lawrence Brewer, the guy who brutally murdered James Byrd by dragging him for three miles behind a pick-up truck until his head and arm were severed, he had this to say before he was executed:
"As far as any regrets, no, I have no regrets. No, I'd do it all over again, to tell you the truth."
Well, I don't have any regrets that the state of Texas injected him with a lethal cocktail of death. Good riddance.
I am fine with this fuck being executed. I can accept very very rare cases such as this, McVeigh and Peterson where their crimes are absolutely sickening and they clearly guilty. Troy Davis on the other hand should not be put to death under any circumstsance.
It's because he'd do it again that he deserved to be in prison. And it's because he was in prison that he wasn't able to do it again. The objective has been achieved. That's the purpose of a justice system. That's enough. No further justice is served by killing him. As the tone of your rhetoric shows, it serves no other purpose other than an extraneous add-on to satisfy people's hunger for vengeance against things they are particularly revulsed by. That revulsion and urge for vengeance might be understandable from a subjective, instinctual and emotive perspective, but it is not justifiable to act upon it.
In fact, I would consider it the key duty of a justice system to prevent and override that reaction and to ensure rationality and fair justice are at the core of the response to such crimes. In the US, however - at least in the states that continue to apply the death penalty - the justice system feeds into that reaction, that base desire for vengeance, rather than transcending, managing and controlling it, as any responsible, civilised and properly functional justice system should and must.
For the guilty as well as the innocent, for Brewer as well as Davis, the death penalty does not and cannot constitute justice, it is an abuse of power and a gross violation of what justice is supposed to mean. It serves no worth, and it demeans and brutalises any society that engages in it. As long as the US retains it, it's justice system will always be dysfunctional and unjust.
That's my opinion on the matter, anyway...
I agree with almost everything you said and I am sure my reaction to much of this is emotional. I disagree with the death penalty in 99.99% of cases, but in the case of McVeigh, who killed 168 people including 19 children, and Brewer who carried out just about the most disgusting hate crime imaginable, it's not about justice to me and more about them not having right (probably the wrong word) to breath the same air as us or interact with another human being again. If we could put them in the hole of a prision where they don't see another human being for the rest of their life and give them just enough food to stay alive, I am fine with that as well.
I am very hypocritical and possibly ignorant in my views on this as I completely disagree with the concept of the death penalty, I just think some people deserve it and am fine with it in rare cases.
I agree that it's not justice and it does not deter crime. Like I said, I'll admit my views on this are very hypocritical, I just think there are a few rare cases where the person should not be alive.
I love the death penalty. The victims family has the choice to forgive or not. That's up to them. Justice must still be served. This guy will be forgotten in no time. Can't wait to see the next thread about the guilty being put to death.
I agree with almost everything you said and I am sure my reaction to much of this is emotional. I disagree with the death penalty in 99.99% of cases, but in the case of McVeigh, who killed 168 people including 19 children, and Brewer who carried out just about the most disgusting hate crime imaginable, it's not about justice to me and more about them not having right (probably the wrong word) to breath the same air as us or interact with another human being again. If we could put them in the hole of a prision where they don't see another human being for the rest of their life and give them just enough food to stay alive, I am fine with that as well.
I am very hypocritical and possibly ignorant in my views on this as I completely disagree with the concept of the death penalty, I just think some people deserve it and am fine with it in rare cases.
I agree that it's not justice and it does not deter crime. Like I said, I'll admit my views on this are very hypocritical, I just think there are a few rare cases where the person should not be alive.
...and that's where the confusion between vengeance and justice comes in, and why it's so important for a justice system to be objective in all cases. While it's ok to feel disgust, I don't think it's ever justifiable for a state to act on it.
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I love the death penalty. The victims family has the choice to forgive or not. That's up to them. Justice must still be served. This guy will be forgotten in no time. Can't wait to see the next thread about the guilty being put to death.
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The one thing I'll agree with you on is that justice must be served. But (I've said it before and I'll say it again) the death penalty isn't just. If you truly do believe justice - as opposed to vengeance - must be served, then you would oppose the death penalty as the barbarous, capricious, arbitrary and definitively unjust practice that it is.
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I love the death penalty. The victims family has the choice to forgive or not. That's up to them. Justice must still be served. This guy will be forgotten in no time. Can't wait to see the next thread about the guilty being put to death.
Sensationalism on the Internet, how unoriginal.
The guilty, huh? We see the system fail constantly going both ways. People who should have their cases looked at..... Don't because for the most part it might shine a light on negligence from the almighty prosecutor who apparently in your eyes is some sort of infallible being who doesn't make mistakes or isn't looking to make waves in a judicial system that has a mob mentality
Love the death penalty, that's great
It doesn't seem to work, despite the FBI saying violent crimes are down a bit. This country gets off on violence
The victims family has the choice to forgive or not. That's up to them. Justice must still be served. This guy will be forgotten in no time. Can't wait to see the next thread about the guilty being put to death.
I tend to think about the many people who were innocently executed for quite some time. I wont forget about Troy Davis, and I guarantee a lot of his friends, family, and the thousands of people who supported him along the way wont forget either.
I'm not big on the death penalty, but the case that's going on now in Connecticut, the Cheshire case, where two men raped and killed a mother and her two daughters and beat the living hell out of the father/husband, who managed to survived, that's where I support it.
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this case, as like the WM3, was never about justice ... it was about protecting corrupt cops and an equally inept justice system ... justice hangs on a thread - they would rather kill an innocent man than show cracks in the armour ...
any reasonable person, pro capital punishment or not, would grant this man a stay of execution until there was complete certainty ... the fact he didn't get a stay is proof of how corrupt the system is ... freedom is a fantasy ...
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Very heavy hearted this morning about the injustice. I read on Mother Jones yesterday that some 34% of Americans believe that there are mistakes in the death penalty, and innocent people have been executed, yet they STILL support the death penalty!
That's because the death penalty has nothing to do with justice. It's just blood-lust.
I don't agree exactly that it is blood lust. I think it is a desire for revenge. I think that in the minds of death penalty supporters, revenge is justice. It is a tragic and self-defeating categorical error to make. And in many cases, I believe it to be an error stemming from a simplistic, self-serving and decontextualised interpretation of the old eye-for-an-eye adage.
"How dangerous it is rashly to adopt the Mosaical institutions [Old Testament teachings of eye for an eye]. Laws might have been proper for a tribe of ardent barbarians wandering through the sands of Arabia which are wholly unfit for an enlightened people of civilized and gentle manners." -an attorney general of Pennsylvania in the 1790s
"It can be argued that rapists deserve to be raped, that mutilators deserve to be mutilated. Most societies, however, refrain from responding in this way because the punishment is not only degrading to those on whom it is imposed, but it is also degrading to the society that engages in the same behavior as the criminals."
-Stephen Bright, human rights attorney
http://www.antideathpenalty.org
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MacPhail's son and brother watched the execution in silence. Prosecutors and MacPhail's family said after the execution that justice had finally been served.
Mark MacPhail Jr. was 7 weeks old when his father was taken away. He was asleep in his crib while his father worked security at a downtown bus station to help support his growing family.
RIP Mark MacPhail
i am not surprised in the least by this, but you support and celebrate the killing of the wrong man in this case, and i find that utterly disgusting. there was too much of a reasonable doubt and at the very least it should have been delayed.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Yes, I also followed the case of Troy Davis. They 'killed' him this morning. After so much protest around the world. Yesterday I prayed to God for not executing him, but this was not in his hands. Even pro-death-penalty people in the U.S. were against this, how can they kill a man, when 7 of 9 witnesses changed their mind and nothing was really there that showed he was guilty. I don´t understand things like that!!!"
This is how most of the world sees this act. None of us are happy that Mark MacPhail was killed- that was tragic- but killing Troy Davis was wrong. In my opinion, all killing is wrong. This is a dark day in America.
No more killing, no more hate.
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Unlike a lot of people who seem to be celebrating Troy Davis' death, no one celebrates MacPhail's death.
was like a picture
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Well observed and stated..very true,
Y do you think it is like that?..
66% are naive morons
So the death penalty has been around for a long long time. Even if there is one mistake(there has been numerous)
1 person killed by being innocent should halt the slaughter of any future human beings.
It amazes me that so many believe every fucking thing their government spoon feeds them, even when evidence clearly proves otherwise.
No independent critical thinking taking place in our society anymore
In regards to Lawrence Brewer, the guy who brutally murdered James Byrd by dragging him for three miles behind a pick-up truck until his head and arm were severed, he had this to say before he was executed:
"As far as any regrets, no, I have no regrets. No, I'd do it all over again, to tell you the truth."
Well, I don't have any regrets that the state of Texas injected him with a lethal cocktail of death. Good riddance.
That isn't even the point. I just know that DEATH was not, is never, appropriate.
I hate that. I hate US as a country for it.
I feel that I was brain-washed as a child to love America, as I had my head between my knees during bomb drills in the late 60's in San Francisco...Terrify children. Great tactic....God I am sad about this. There are no "bomb drills" for what is happening to our children (and theirs) now.
Juan Roberto Melendez-Colon spent over 17 years on Death Row in Florida for a 1983 murder that he did not commit.
Just like Troy Davis, no physical evidence linked him to the crime
Just like Troy Davis at his trial the only evidence used to justify killing him was the testimony of highly unreliable witnesses.
Just like in Troy Davis' case, another man confessed to the crime.
Juan was released, Troy was killed.
The American justice system is a contradiction in terms.
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I am fine with this fuck being executed. I can accept very very rare cases such as this, McVeigh and Peterson where their crimes are absolutely sickening and they clearly guilty. Troy Davis on the other hand should not be put to death under any circumstsance.
Life in Prison is no picnic, I'm sure we all have thought or had a nightmare about this scenario and I'd opt for death personally. Especially in the case of Byrds murderer where there is no doubt he did this and wouldn't be freed like the WM3. What's there to look forward too?? Ass rape, horrible food, fights, cement walls
I think we are doing some a favor while executing some innocence in the process
System failure
It's because he'd do it again that he deserved to be in prison. And it's because he was in prison that he wasn't able to do it again. The objective has been achieved. That's the purpose of a justice system. That's enough. No further justice is served by killing him. As the tone of your rhetoric shows, it serves no other purpose other than an extraneous add-on to satisfy people's hunger for vengeance against things they are particularly revulsed by. That revulsion and urge for vengeance might be understandable from a subjective, instinctual and emotive perspective, but it is not justifiable to act upon it.
In fact, I would consider it the key duty of a justice system to prevent and override that reaction and to ensure rationality and fair justice are at the core of the response to such crimes. In the US, however - at least in the states that continue to apply the death penalty - the justice system feeds into that reaction, that base desire for vengeance, rather than transcending, managing and controlling it, as any responsible, civilised and properly functional justice system should and must.
For the guilty as well as the innocent, for Brewer as well as Davis, the death penalty does not and cannot constitute justice, it is an abuse of power and a gross violation of what justice is supposed to mean. It serves no worth, and it demeans and brutalises any society that engages in it. As long as the US retains it, it's justice system will always be dysfunctional and unjust.
That's my opinion on the matter, anyway...
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1. Where did I celebrate this?
2. He's the wrong man? He's innocent huh?
i believe in the death penalty but i think it should only be used in clear-cut obvious cases. a case like Troy Davis common sense should take over to hold off on an execution when clear guilt is not fully established. sadly in pretty much everything these days common sense isn't all that common.
and if you guys really want to weed out injustice in the american system take a peek at how some states treat non-violent megan's law and sex offenders. some of the punishment's in those cases far outweigh the crime.
don't play innocent. you have joked about death plenty in other threads...
you shower your boy perry with praise when his record on executions is discussed....woot
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I agree with almost everything you said and I am sure my reaction to much of this is emotional. I disagree with the death penalty in 99.99% of cases, but in the case of McVeigh, who killed 168 people including 19 children, and Brewer who carried out just about the most disgusting hate crime imaginable, it's not about justice to me and more about them not having right (probably the wrong word) to breath the same air as us or interact with another human being again. If we could put them in the hole of a prision where they don't see another human being for the rest of their life and give them just enough food to stay alive, I am fine with that as well.
I am very hypocritical and possibly ignorant in my views on this as I completely disagree with the concept of the death penalty, I just think some people deserve it and am fine with it in rare cases.
I agree that it's not justice and it does not deter crime. Like I said, I'll admit my views on this are very hypocritical, I just think there are a few rare cases where the person should not be alive.
...and that's where the confusion between vengeance and justice comes in, and why it's so important for a justice system to be objective in all cases. While it's ok to feel disgust, I don't think it's ever justifiable for a state to act on it.
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12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
:roll:
The one thing I'll agree with you on is that justice must be served. But (I've said it before and I'll say it again) the death penalty isn't just. If you truly do believe justice - as opposed to vengeance - must be served, then you would oppose the death penalty as the barbarous, capricious, arbitrary and definitively unjust practice that it is.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Sensationalism on the Internet, how unoriginal.
The guilty, huh? We see the system fail constantly going both ways. People who should have their cases looked at..... Don't because for the most part it might shine a light on negligence from the almighty prosecutor who apparently in your eyes is some sort of infallible being who doesn't make mistakes or isn't looking to make waves in a judicial system that has a mob mentality
Love the death penalty, that's great
It doesn't seem to work, despite the FBI saying violent crimes are down a bit. This country gets off on violence
How pleasant. :roll:
I tend to think about the many people who were innocently executed for quite some time. I wont forget about Troy Davis, and I guarantee a lot of his friends, family, and the thousands of people who supported him along the way wont forget either.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
any reasonable person, pro capital punishment or not, would grant this man a stay of execution until there was complete certainty ... the fact he didn't get a stay is proof of how corrupt the system is ... freedom is a fantasy ...