The Death Penalty

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

JonnyPistachio said:

rr165892 said:

I have only two problems with the Death Penalty.1.it takes too long to get to the punishment part of the sentence.2.The way we do it.
Firing squad would be quicker,and more humane.Not that I care about the last part.

It only takes that long because they are allowed certain amounts of appeals to be sure we got he right guy. If it was sped up, we'd have murdered an excessive amount of innocent people.

Jonny,I'm talking about after they have been convicted,and as stated earlier if DNA matches or video evidence are available.Those endless appeals trying to get off on technicalities is the problem.

It may sound crazy but neither video or DNA matches are always conclusive proof. If you and I get into an altercation caught on video at a gas station and I end up dead that afternoon is this proof? It may well be enough for a conviction, but it's hardly proof. Let's say I have a one night stand with a girl and when I leave, her BF murders her, is my DNA at the crime scene proof? Again, it's enough for a conviction but not to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Neither of these scenarios is far-fetched. I know of a case where a man was convicted of murder for "satanic" comics he had drawn. Art. Proof? No but enough to convince a jury. Hence the appeals process. We all get the same rights, not just those who SEEM more savory.

I agree that DNA evidence isn't enough proof, and no, the kind of video evidence you mention isn't proof either. Video proof in my book would be clear video of the person actually committing the crime.
But even then, don't punish murder with murder. And don't give your government permission to commit murder of a citizen in your own country under any circumstances.

I agree! Leave the passionate calls for "justice" (vengeance) in the trash can and work toward a peaceful mindset.

rr165892

Ok,I get your points and they are valid.But take those two clowns who tied up and burned the family to death in Connecticut.A witnessed hideous crime,or the movie theatre shooter,or the Boston Bomber .Do all these humans deserve compassion ?What about their victims?Where they given a choice,or compassion?

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

Ok,I get your points and they are valid.But take those two clowns who tied up and burned the family to death in Connecticut.A witnessed hideous crime,or the movie theatre shooter,or the Boston Bomber .Do all these humans deserve compassion ?What about their victims?Where they given a choice,or compassion?

Compassion? Who said anything about compassion? Being opposed to the death penalty has nothing to do with compassion as far as I'm concerned, unless you mean compassion for the people who are innocent and sent to death row anyway. I have a lot of compassion for them.

callen

rr165892 said:

Ok,I get your points and they are valid.But take those two clowns who tied up and burned the family to death in Connecticut.A witnessed hideous crime,or the movie theatre shooter,or the Boston Bomber .Do all these humans deserve compassion ?What about their victims?Where they given a choice,or compassion?

They don't deserve compassion. But do we stoop to their level. Not in rational society. And rather have those ass hats live than take the chance of one innocent put to death.

oftenreading

Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?

chadwick

when someone is caught red-handed guilty as clear as crystal spring water & they are a very dangerous bad little monster, off they go to fight some isis guys in cage matches. or like carlin said, gravy dipped & locked in a room w/ a wolverine on angel dust

chadwick

oftenreading said:

Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?

screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free

rr165892

chadwick said:

oftenreading said:

Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?

screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free

Love it!!!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

chadwick said:

oftenreading said:

Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?

screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free

Does a guy like Michael Rafferty seriously deserve better? He raped and killed beautiful little 8 year old Tori Stafford in as brutal fashion as possible.

... he joked and smirked as he chatted with a defence co-counsel, as if he had not a care in the world. And, of course, they knew nothing about his enthusiasm for child rape and other horrors because the Crown's evidence about his Internet interests was ruled inadmissible.

But the jury probably did notice his attire on one of the trial’s most unpleasant days, when pathologist Michael Pollanen detailed the frightful wounds inflicted on Tori, who was kidnapped, raped and beaten to death with a hammer. To the distress of Tori's relatives, seated at the front of the public gallery, Mr. Rafferty sported a crisp new purple shirt – Tori's favourite colour, and her family's emblem.

As the awful autopsy images were flashed on to the screen – Tori’s skull was cracked, 16 of her 24 ribs were broken by being stomped upon, and her liver was lacerated – he looked bored, and at one point yawned.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/michael-raffertys-evil-defies-explanation/article4184526/

How awful of people to think this loser deserves death for his offence.

oftenreading

chadwick said:

oftenreading said:

Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?

screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free

Life isn't actually a video game.

chadwick

in 149% honesty, he should have had his head blown off in the courtroom. fuck this guy & those like him. i have no time & not one shred of sympathy for such bullshit. no patience, no care, no nothing. what i feel for beasts like this is not at all anything near splendid, warm or filling like with food in his useless guts.

i will click the link you provided tomorrow. it is nearing my bedtime & i would rather go off to dreamland being held by butterflied & ............. fuck this.

i would daydream or dream well about smashing his skull in with a hammer & stomping his ribs in, see how he likes that shit for awhile. it is not for me, or anyone else, it would be for the 8 year old who could not fend off her attacker. just thinking this up makes me pissed. i hope she hauntes his worthless ass for all his natural days.

dangerous freaks like him do not deserve to make license plates. wear a bullet, yes. have a ball peen hammer stuck up his ass


im done here

lukin2006

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

oftenreading said:

Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?

screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free

Does a guy like Michael Rafferty seriously deserve better? He raped and killed beautiful little 8 year old Tori Stafford in as brutal fashion as possible.

... he joked and smirked as he chatted with a defence co-counsel, as if he had not a care in the world. And, of course, they knew nothing about his enthusiasm for child rape and other horrors because the Crown's evidence about his Internet interests was ruled inadmissible.

But the jury probably did notice his attire on one of the trial’s most unpleasant days, when pathologist Michael Pollanen detailed the frightful wounds inflicted on Tori, who was kidnapped, raped and beaten to death with a hammer. To the distress of Tori's relatives, seated at the front of the public gallery, Mr. Rafferty sported a crisp new purple shirt – Tori's favourite colour, and her family's emblem.

As the awful autopsy images were flashed on to the screen – Tori’s skull was cracked, 16 of her 24 ribs were broken by being stomped upon, and her liver was lacerated – he looked bored, and at one point yawned.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/michael-raffertys-evil-defies-explanation/article4184526/

How awful of people to think this loser deserves death for his offence.

Exactly ... why I support the DP for these types is so they can no longer continue to replay their heinous crimes in their minds everyday ... these types are sick fucks with no conscious.

callen

Chad and Thirty: don't get how you guys are so close to my veiws on. So many things but on DP we differ greatly.

Chad: know you've talked on Zen and peace. Or think you have. This is counter to that.

Thirty we 'be discussed at length and the justification never coincides with all the downsides.

Look the humans that kill get me in rage as well. I also realize that I can't allow those feelings to over ride being civil and at peace with all repercussions.

rr165892

callen said:

Chad and Thirty: don't get how you guys are so close to my veiws on. So many things but on DP we differ greatly.

Chad: know you've talked on Zen and peace. Or think you have. This is counter to that.

Thirty we 'be discussed at length and the justification never coincides with all the downsides.

Look the humans that kill get me in rage as well. I also realize that I can't allow those feelings to over ride being civil and at peace with all repercussions.

Callen,
We're they civil when they acted out with violence? And is your being at peace a greater need then the peace the family needs to feel with the elimination of the constant reminder the guilty living represents.With every court date,parole hearing,etc,wounds get reopened and the family is victimized again and again.

chadwick

my buddhism is peace. removing foulness from innocence is making more peace & happiness for others. i vote having beasts like this maniac removed from the tranquil gardens innocence plays & grows in.

in other words - fuck that, he is a dangerous monster who enjoys torturing vulnerable small children. this can not be nor should it be tolerated. i would bring down giant fly swatter onto him, before striking any fly for doing as flies do

that is my zen for the day

Thirty Bills Unpaid

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

oftenreading said:

Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?

screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free

Does a guy like Michael Rafferty seriously deserve better? He raped and killed beautiful little 8 year old Tori Stafford in as brutal fashion as possible.

... he joked and smirked as he chatted with a defence co-counsel, as if he had not a care in the world. And, of course, they knew nothing about his enthusiasm for child rape and other horrors because the Crown's evidence about his Internet interests was ruled inadmissible.

But the jury probably did notice his attire on one of the trial’s most unpleasant days, when pathologist Michael Pollanen detailed the frightful wounds inflicted on Tori, who was kidnapped, raped and beaten to death with a hammer. To the distress of Tori's relatives, seated at the front of the public gallery, Mr. Rafferty sported a crisp new purple shirt – Tori's favourite colour, and her family's emblem.

As the awful autopsy images were flashed on to the screen – Tori’s skull was cracked, 16 of her 24 ribs were broken by being stomped upon, and her liver was lacerated – he looked bored, and at one point yawned.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/michael-raffertys-evil-defies-explanation/article4184526/

How awful of people to think this loser deserves death for his offence.

Exactly ... why I support the DP for these types is so they can no longer continue to replay their heinous crimes in their minds everyday ... these types are sick fucks with no conscious.

Yeah. Rafferty has his 'trophy' to entertain himself with as we feed and clothe him.

The simple and direct question has been ignored by most so far: does Rafferty deserve better? For the crime of kidnapping, repeatedly raping an 8 year old girl, bludgeoning her head with a hammer, breaking 16 of her ribs while stomping on her, and then disposing of her remains as one might garbage... does anyone actually think he deserves better than death?

I don't.

Byrnzie

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The simple and direct question has been ignored by most so far: does Rafferty deserve better? For the crime of kidnapping, repeatedly raping an 8 year old girl, bludgeoning her head with a hammer, breaking 16 of her ribs while stomping on her, and then disposing of her remains as one might garbage... does anyone actually think he deserves better than death?

I don't.

It has nothing to do with 'deserve'.

And yet once again you seem to be implying that life behind bars is a life of luxury.

chadwick

here is a way we can deal with the death penalty being wiped away... you people wanting to keep these maniacs alive in prison, that's fine, that's great, you are in charge of taking care of them here on out.

enjoy yourselves. it's a 24x7, 365 days a year task for many of you people. fact is, 90% of you would quit & run for home

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Byrnzie said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The simple and direct question has been ignored by most so far: does Rafferty deserve better? For the crime of kidnapping, repeatedly raping an 8 year old girl, bludgeoning her head with a hammer, breaking 16 of her ribs while stomping on her, and then disposing of her remains as one might garbage... does anyone actually think he deserves better than death?

I don't.

It has nothing to do with 'deserve'.

And yet once again you seem to be implying that life behind bars is a life of luxury.

If it has nothing to do with 'deserve'... then what does it have to do with?

Life behind bars is most certainly not a 'life of luxury', but comparatively speaking... one could make a case that it is.

For example, life behind bars is a country club compared to being an 8 year old girl getting raped, having your head smashed in with a hammer, having your ribs stomped in, dying from the ordeal, and getting buried in a shallow grave.

Life behind bars is also pretty luxurious compared to life without your child that has been violently taken from you (as I'm sure Tori Stafford's parents- and so many others- can attest to). Throw in the trial, appeals, parole hearings and prison theatrics that the said parents are subjected to and that life is made even worse.

Byrnzie

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Byrnzie said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The simple and direct question has been ignored by most so far: does Rafferty deserve better? For the crime of kidnapping, repeatedly raping an 8 year old girl, bludgeoning her head with a hammer, breaking 16 of her ribs while stomping on her, and then disposing of her remains as one might garbage... does anyone actually think he deserves better than death?

I don't.

It has nothing to do with 'deserve'.

And yet once again you seem to be implying that life behind bars is a life of luxury.

If it has nothing to do with 'deserve'... then what does it have to do with?

Life behind bars is most certainly not a 'life of luxury', but comparatively speaking... one could make a case that it is.

For example, life behind bars is a country club compared to being an 8 year old girl getting raped, having your head smashed in with a hammer, having your ribs stomped in, dying from the ordeal, and getting buried in a shallow grave.

I see, so as far as you're concerned a just punishment would be rape, followed by the smashing of skulls with a crowbar, and the stomping of ribs, before being buried in a shallow grave?

That sounds like a very reasonable, stable, and admirable society.

Actually, it sounds like the sort of depraved society that I imagine many of the psychopaths, whose vile acts you keep trotting out, would relish living in.