The Death Penalty

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    I come to this thread reluctantly, but I have a question for @Thirty Bills Unpaid:

    you have often called for justice for the family of the victim(s). what do you think about this?

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/africa/sudan-noura-hussein-clemency/index.html

    A judge sentenced her to death last week after her husband's family refused an option to pardon her and rejected financial compensation, requesting that she be executed instead

    now, this case itself probably isn't the best example, but the question remains: do you think it's appropriate for a judicial system to give power to the victim's family over the sentence of the accused?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Hugh...

    I had that case queued up as a draft for the rape thread. This was self defence and not something I'd ever deem fit for any penalty let alone death.

    The judicial system should not cede powers to survivors, but having said that... the judicial system should concern itself with them and the general idea of justice.

    * There was a guy executed in Texas a few days back that did not do the DP argument any favours.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    This would be the other thread I referred to.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Canadian graphic novelist Blake Leibel sentenced to life with no chance of parole for murder of

    fianceehttp://nationalpost.com/news/world/canadian-graphic-novelist-blake-leibel-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-with-no-chance-of-parole?video_autoplay=true


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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:
    Canadian graphic novelist Blake Leibel sentenced to life with no chance of parole for murder of

    fianceehttp://nationalpost.com/news/world/canadian-graphic-novelist-blake-leibel-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-with-no-chance-of-parole?video_autoplay=true


    A death sentence would have been appropriate for this fat tub of sh*t. General population won't be great for this worthless piece of excrement.

    Confinement. Torture. Depravity. 

    His victim's final moments must have been excruciating and horrific.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Canadian graphic novelist Blake Leibel sentenced to life with no chance of parole for murder of

    fianceehttp://nationalpost.com/news/world/canadian-graphic-novelist-blake-leibel-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-with-no-chance-of-parole?video_autoplay=true


    A death sentence would have been appropriate for this fat tub of sh*t. General population won't be great for this worthless piece of excrement.

    Confinement. Torture. Depravity. 

    His victim's final moments must have been excruciating and horrific.
    Lets hope he's gets GP ... he might ask for solitary.  There are some animals that should not be allowed to share this earth.  He qualifies.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    ^^^Another point, him being Canadian he at some point can apply to be transferred to a Canadian Prison ...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    Meltdown99 said:
    ^^^Another point, him being Canadian he at some point can apply to be transferred to a Canadian Prison ...
    That is so unlikely there is no point worrying about it.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    ^^^Another point, him being Canadian he at some point can apply to be transferred to a Canadian Prison ...
    That is so unlikely there is no point worrying about it.
    Are you sure.  Remember the dude on death row in mintana (can't remember his name) ... but I know I read that if just excepted the life sentence he likely have eventually be returned to a Canadian Prison and eventually released.  His companions are now walking the street.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Ottawa makes clemency case for 'reformed' Canadian on U.S. death row

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/smith-clemency-ronald-red-deer-montana-death-row-sentence-1.4465115

    This guy.  By the way I do not care if he's reformed or not ... he should at least remain in jail for life...in Montana.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    This moron can go and I'd be okay with it (another child killer who taunted the public afterwards with what would have been chilling notes if they didn't appear to be constructed by a four year old... f**king idiot):

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/after-30-years-police-say-they’ve-captured-a-child-killer-who-left-a-sickening-trail-of-taunts/ar-AAA9zDr?ocid=spartanntp
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    This guy is urging Texas to expedite the process so that he can be executed soon.

    I guess the guilt of raping and murdering his 3 month old son is too much to bear (an argument for or against the DP depending on which way you look at it).

    Either way...Texas... grant him his wish- he's wasting good oxygen. 

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/texas-man-who-murdered-his-infant-son-wants-to-fast-track-his-execution/ar-BBLbm43?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited July 2018
    If you're right about the guilt part, it seems that letting him live a long life in prison would be more suitable if it's actual punishment one is looking for (which I know you thought of with your comment about this being an argument for or against the DP). While it is not actually a factor at all in me being anti-DP, I do still think that life in maximum security prison is a harsher punishment than a nice, cushy murder by the government.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    This guy is urging Texas to expedite the process so that he can be executed soon.

    I guess the guilt of raping and murdering his 3 month old son is too much to bear (an argument for or against the DP depending on which way you look at it).

    Either way...Texas... grant him his wish- he's wasting good oxygen. 

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/texas-man-who-murdered-his-infant-son-wants-to-fast-track-his-execution/ar-BBLbm43?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp
    Then honour his wishes quickly ...
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,488
    What western democracies have the death penalty?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited July 2018
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What western democracies have the death penalty?
    1. The United State of America

    End of list.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What western democracies have the death penalty?

    Before turning your nose up at the US... look at some European countries that try to place themselves above the US for not executing some people.

    For example, Norway had Breivik kill 77 people (mostly kids). They sentenced him to their lavish open prison system which some people that think they are very enlightened feel is very awesome (recreation, video games, state funded degrees, internet privileges, nice meals, etc. for mass murderers). Remember when Anders got mad and went on a hunger strike because the video games he got weren't cool enough?

    Yet, Norway thinks nothing of slaughtering whales for domestic purposes and trade. Norway also actively culls wolves who's population is dangerously close to disappearing from their land.

    Soooo... yah.

    Norwegians think they really have things figured out with regards to how the state should humanely treat brutal savages who have murdered 77 of their children... and will look down on the US for executing losers that have raped and killed infants... yet they think slaughtering whales and killing wolves that have done nothing other than try to co-exist is reasonable.  

    In my opinion and contrary to yours... they're ass backwards.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Who really cares if a  bunch of low life killers bite the dust early.  The earth is already over-populated.  
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    Meltdown99 said:
    Who really cares if a  bunch of low life killers bite the dust early.  The earth is already over-populated.  
    That has absolutely nothing to do with it for most of those who oppose the DP.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    He can go:

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/a-woman’s-daring-escape-from-a-border-patrol-agent-helped-reveal-a-‘serial-killer’-police-say/ar-BBNqyoi?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp
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