My point here was that if 9/11 taught Americans anything it was that they don't exist in a bubble. You are a part of a wider World and not everyone see's things through the same lenses as you.
This thread is just another example of that.
The way I see it, 9/11 should be a day of mourning not just for Americans, but for all the hundreds of thousands (or over one million, if the many surveys are correct) Iraqis, Afghans, and other people who have suffered as a result of that day, for whatever reason.
It should also be a day to remember what happened in Chile on that day, as it was fucked-up and resulted in 17 years of suffering and persecution. And Americans really shouldn't take offense when someone brings it up.
True...about the bubble.
Also true about those killed in the subsequent wars.
Again, true about "really shouldn't take offense when someone brings it up." Is a good point, and I'm sorry to say that my initial reaction was to be pissed off.
So anyhow, thanks for the info about Chile, although I would prefer to see more info from a different writer.
365 days a year, 12 months out of the year mankind is far from kind to man or other life forms, nor is mankind kind to our wonderous planet. we're in a world of shit, folks.
365 days a year we should live in a peaceful kind of grace with compassion and understanding. governments are straight up cruel clear across the board. i can't think of one single country that is safe and or living in peace and harmony.
Netherlands? that place comes to mind as peaceful. yet the Dutch have some fucked up history with enslaving Eskimos. can you believe it? what was really a great item was to have a Eskimo finger inside one's favorite books used as a book marker.
we are barbaric creatures, ingenious at torture, maiming, and killing others in the name of anything out of control. we want blood, yet fly to the moon, sail oceans, plant gardens, and starve entire countries. we pollute this earth in the name of ignorance and greed.
there is not one shred of decency to be found in conflict. the rich get richer, poor get poorer.
i remember when taking music appreaciation in college. i forget the family's name, they are Italian, they funded wars. they were wealthy (still are im sure swimming in old money) and they fueled money to both sides of the war. they were paid back with interest from every direction they tossed blood money.
365 days a year, 12 months out of the year mankind is far from kind to man or other life forms, nor is mankind kind to our wonderous planet. we're in a world of shit, folks.
365 days a year we should live in a peaceful kind of grace with compassion and understanding. governments are straight up cruel clear across the board. i can't think of one single country that is safe and or living in peace and harmony.
Netherlands? that place comes to mind as peaceful. yet the Dutch have some fucked up history with enslaving Eskimos. can you believe it? what was really a great item was to have a Eskimo finger inside one's favorite books used as a book marker.
we are barbaric creatures, ingenious at torture, maiming, and killing others in the name of anything out of control. we want blood, yet fly to the moon, sail oceans, plant gardens, and starve entire countries. we pollute this earth in the name of ignorance and greed.
there is not one shred of decency to be found in conflict. the rich get richer, poor get poorer.
i remember when taking music appreaciation in college. i forget the family's name, they are Italian, they funded wars. they were wealthy (still are im sure swimming in old money) and they fueled money to both sides of the war. they were paid back with interest from every direction they tossed blood money.
Byrnzie, i just want the world to slow down a bit and cry for awhile. i am fucking worn out. i can't imagine how one feels living within a war zone. some of these countries been killing one another for thousands of years.
i just want love, man.
one of my favorite poets is Chilean. Mr. Pablo Neruta (that being his pen name)
Mr. Neftalí Ricardo Reyes Basoalto. oddly enough he died on September 23rd 1973.
he was all into Politics and shit. i believe he was a communist senator. i need to study up on this man a bit. i am quite busy writing my own poetry and trying hard to live in health and peace.
Mr. Neruda could if he was still alive teach us a few things. he and his wife lived in exile for quite a long time.
thread integrity? Mr. Neruda is Chilean and passed away almost on 9/11 1973
Byrnzie, you seem to enjoy history and politics... study up on this guy. yes/no?
if you like good romantic, earthy and even political poetry, then you'll enjoy his work.
i know he wrote a poem about Joseph Stalin as well as Fidel Castro and Fulgencio Batista
i am positive Chile observes some sort of Neruda day
Byrnzie, i just want the world to slow down a bit and cry for awhile. i am fucking worn out. i can't imagine how one feels living within a war zone. some of these countries been killing one another for thousands of years.
i just want love, man.
one of my favorite poets is Chilean. Mr. Pablo Neruta (that being his pen name)
Mr. Neftalí Ricardo Reyes Basoalto. oddly enough he died on September 23rd 1973.
he was all into Politics and shit. i believe he was a communist senator. i need to study up on this man a bit. i am quite busy writing my own poetry and trying hard to live in health and peace.
Mr. Neruda could if he was still alive teach us a few things. he and his wife lived in exile for quite a long time.
thread integrity? Mr. Neruda is Chilean and passed away almost on 9/11 1973
Byrnzie, you seem to enjoy history and politics... study up on this guy. yes/no?
if you like good romantic, earthy and even political poetry, then you'll enjoy his work.
i know he wrote a poem about Joseph Stalin as well as Fidel Castro and Fulgencio Batista
i am positive Chile observes some sort of Neruda day
that's all i got...
I had a book of Neruda's poems a long time ago when I was in college. It's been a while, so I'll definitely check his stuff out again.
Thanks.
By the way, have you seen a movie called 'Il Postino'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Postino It's about a postman in Italy who falls in love with a local girl in his village and befriends the exiled poet, Pablo Neruda, asking him for advice on how to write poems to this girl so that he can seduce her. It's a great movie. You'll like it.
Byrnzie, i just want the world to slow down a bit and cry for awhile. i am fucking worn out. i can't imagine how one feels living within a war zone. some of these countries been killing one another for thousands of years.
i just want love, man.
one of my favorite poets is Chilean. Mr. Pablo Neruta (that being his pen name)
Mr. Neftalí Ricardo Reyes Basoalto. oddly enough he died on September 23rd 1973.
he was all into Politics and shit. i believe he was a communist senator. i need to study up on this man a bit. i am quite busy writing my own poetry and trying hard to live in health and peace.
Mr. Neruda could if he was still alive teach us a few things. he and his wife lived in exile for quite a long time.
thread integrity? Mr. Neruda is Chilean and passed away almost on 9/11 1973
Byrnzie, you seem to enjoy history and politics... study up on this guy. yes/no?
if you like good romantic, earthy and even political poetry, then you'll enjoy his work.
i know he wrote a poem about Joseph Stalin as well as Fidel Castro and Fulgencio Batista
i am positive Chile observes some sort of Neruda day
that's all i got...
I had a book of Neruda's poems a long time ago when I was in college. It's been a while, so I'll definitely check his stuff out again.
Thanks.
By the way, have you seen a movie called 'Il Postino'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Postino It's about a postman in Italy who falls in love with a local girl in his village and befriends the exiled poet, Pablo Neruda, asking him for advice on how to write poems to this girl so that he can seduce her. Pablo Neruda actually appears in the film. It's a great movie. You'll like it.
You may get some good tips - if you haven't already succeeded
why women love poetry is beyond the grasp of even Neruda himself.
they fuel the fire, women do.
Chilean a romantic people/culture, this i believe to be true
they are excellent farmers and fishermen, tied with the earth very well i think.
that what i get out of reading his poetry
read a poem of his... 2 women chased him around town i believe if memory serves correctly.
he ran, they chased and wanted him.
i believe they were lesbians
this was like in the 20's or something
craziest thing
I had a book of Neruda's poems a long time ago when I was in college. It's been a while, so I'll definitely check his stuff out again.
Thanks.
By the way, have you seen a movie called 'Il Postino'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Postino It's about a postman in Italy who falls in love with a local girl in his village and befriends the exiled poet, Pablo Neruda, asking him for advice on how to write poems to this girl so that he can seduce her. Pablo Neruda actually appears in the film. It's a great movie. You'll like it.
i am loving this film. thank you, Sir. i am pleased.
I had a book of Neruda's poems a long time ago when I was in college. It's been a while, so I'll definitely check his stuff out again.
Thanks.
By the way, have you seen a movie called 'Il Postino'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Postino It's about a postman in Italy who falls in love with a local girl in his village and befriends the exiled poet, Pablo Neruda, asking him for advice on how to write poems to this girl so that he can seduce her. Pablo Neruda actually appears in the film. It's a great movie. You'll like it.
i am loving this film. thank you, Sir. i am pleased.
i went to bed filled with this great energy and a smile on my face. i can't explain it clearly without going into some lengthy bullshit poetic rant. thanks again, Byrnzie, Sir dude man,.
enjoy your day...
btw, when living in western washington i took full enjoyment in dining on the great produce of Chile.
them people can farm some good stuff. world markets are amazing to me. how long does a ocean liner travel up and down the seas around the world just to bring food goods to others? incredible odds is what i see. and the stuff is fresh and so fucking yummy.
chile farmers are kickin ass in a little market in Aberdeen, Washington...go nirvana go.
All I wanted to do was see if anything significant happened on my birthday. Making myself a target, and I'm prepared for that, is looking back to a very early post in this whole thing about the Christian Ten Commandments and the "Do unto others" comment. Being a Christian, I must come to the defense of that statement. Maybe I took it out of context, but I feel I must clarify from my ever so humble perspective. It says, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto to you." Finishing the saying takes a whole new meaning, taking it from reactionary to pre-offensive. From my point of view, it means simply, treat others like you would like to be treated, also backed up in The Bible by saying, turn the other cheak even. Taken out of context, I see how someone could misconstrue this as derogetory, but I do, believe me or not, seek truth. As long as my heart's in the right place, and I can humble myself, putting all others before my selfish nature, I know that I will ultimately be ok, because all I ever wanted was truth; for better or for worse. If the truth denies what I've come to know, than atleast I still have the truth. Do you seek love or do you seek truth? Love can be found in truth, but truth can not necessarily be found in love.
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True...about the bubble.
Also true about those killed in the subsequent wars.
Again, true about "really shouldn't take offense when someone brings it up." Is a good point, and I'm sorry to say that my initial reaction was to be pissed off.
So anyhow, thanks for the info about Chile, although I would prefer to see more info from a different writer.
365 days a year we should live in a peaceful kind of grace with compassion and understanding. governments are straight up cruel clear across the board. i can't think of one single country that is safe and or living in peace and harmony.
Netherlands? that place comes to mind as peaceful. yet the Dutch have some fucked up history with enslaving Eskimos. can you believe it? what was really a great item was to have a Eskimo finger inside one's favorite books used as a book marker.
we are barbaric creatures, ingenious at torture, maiming, and killing others in the name of anything out of control. we want blood, yet fly to the moon, sail oceans, plant gardens, and starve entire countries. we pollute this earth in the name of ignorance and greed.
there is not one shred of decency to be found in conflict. the rich get richer, poor get poorer.
i remember when taking music appreaciation in college. i forget the family's name, they are Italian, they funded wars. they were wealthy (still are im sure swimming in old money) and they fueled money to both sides of the war. they were paid back with interest from every direction they tossed blood money.
end of rant. fuck.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Here's a couple:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terro ... SHand.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Choms ... _Chom.html
Thank You, I will take a look.
i just want love, man.
one of my favorite poets is Chilean. Mr. Pablo Neruta (that being his pen name)
Mr. Neftalí Ricardo Reyes Basoalto. oddly enough he died on September 23rd 1973.
he was all into Politics and shit. i believe he was a communist senator. i need to study up on this man a bit. i am quite busy writing my own poetry
Mr. Neruda could if he was still alive teach us a few things. he and his wife lived in exile for quite a long time.
thread integrity? Mr. Neruda is Chilean and passed away almost on 9/11 1973
Byrnzie, you seem to enjoy history and politics... study up on this guy. yes/no?
if you like good romantic, earthy and even political poetry, then you'll enjoy his work.
i know he wrote a poem about Joseph Stalin as well as Fidel Castro and Fulgencio Batista
i am positive Chile observes some sort of Neruda day
that's all i got...
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I was getting worried for humanity.
I had a book of Neruda's poems a long time ago when I was in college. It's been a while, so I'll definitely check his stuff out again.
Thanks.
By the way, have you seen a movie called 'Il Postino'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Postino It's about a postman in Italy who falls in love with a local girl in his village and befriends the exiled poet, Pablo Neruda, asking him for advice on how to write poems to this girl so that he can seduce her. It's a great movie. You'll like it.
exactly. i.
never mind.
i will watch this. and thank you.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
You may get some good tips - if you haven't already succeeded
they fuel the fire, women do.
Chilean a romantic people/culture, this i believe to be true
they are excellent farmers and fishermen, tied with the earth very well i think.
that what i get out of reading his poetry
read a poem of his... 2 women chased him around town i believe if memory serves correctly.
he ran, they chased and wanted him.
i believe they were lesbians
this was like in the 20's or something
craziest thing
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
i am loving this film. thank you, Sir. i am pleased.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
No problemo! - as they say in Chile
enjoy your day...
btw, when living in western washington i took full enjoyment in dining on the great produce of Chile.
them people can farm some good stuff. world markets are amazing to me. how long does a ocean liner travel up and down the seas around the world just to bring food goods to others? incredible odds is what i see. and the stuff is fresh and so fucking yummy.
chile farmers are kickin ass in a little market in Aberdeen, Washington...go nirvana go.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce