September 11th 1973
Byrnzie
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Let's not forget all the thousands who died as result of the U.S backed military coup in Chile on Sept 11th 1973.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLbJlIAI8zc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thq-WysY ... re=related
The Other, Almost Forgotten 9/11
by SAUL LANDAU
"The true American goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy."
John Quincy Adams, July 4, 1821
"I am ready to resist by whatever means, even at the cost of my life, so that this may serve as a lesson to the ignominious history of those who use force not reason."
Dr. Salvador Allende, in his last radio address to the Chilean people, 8:30 a.m. — 9/11/73
What did Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger’s 1970-73 conspiracy to overthrow the government of Chile have in common with the 2001 Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda plot to destroy the World Trade Center and Pentagon? Answer: Both of these criminal intrigues reached their climax on 9/11.
Almost all Americans know that 9/11 now refers to the horrendous events two years ago when almost 3,000 people died in terrorist attacks. Few Americans, however, recall that 9/11 also refers to the day in 1973 on which the Chilean armed forces, with US encouragement and help, launched air and ground strikes against the presidential palace, the office of Dr. Salvador Allende, the elected president. Allende died that morning. A reign of terror followed the coup in which tens of thousands of Chileans underwent torture, hundreds of thousands were forced or fled into exile and the democratic institutions of the country were systematically destroyed. The coup leader, General Augusto Pinochet, remained military dictator of Chile for seventeen years four years longer than Hitler.
"The terrorists hate our freedoms," the Chilean workers, peasants and students could have echoed George W. Bush’s post 9/11/01 comments. They would be explaining, however, what lay behind the US and Chilean military plotters who helped make the coup possible, just as George W. Bush simplistically explained the 2001 attack from the mostly Saudi Arabian terrorists.
His Republican predecessor in 1970, Richard Nixon, committed US covert power precisely to destroying the freedom of Chileans, who had selected a president in a freer and fairer election than the 2000 US vote. Indeed, Chileans watched their democracy go up in flames. Their military with full support from Washington proceeded to wipe out their ancient bicameral legislature, independent judiciary, elected local and regional bodies, free trade unions and media and their broad-based civil liberties.
The US government has not yet admitted its actual role in the coup itself. According to a national security source, the Chilean Navy had coordinated with the US armada to hold maneuvers off the coast at precisely the time planned for their putsch. US military spy ships intercepted communiques from Chilean military bases and forwarded them to the treasonous coup-makers. The mutinous general and admirals would then be able to send sufficient force to repress those units whose messages indicated loyalty to the elected government, and thus avoid civil war.
Secretary of State Colin Powell admitted in April of this year that "it is not a part of American history that we’re proud of." Powell attributed the US role in the destabilization of Chile from 1970-73 (some of which is documented in Volume 7 of the 1975 Church Senate Select Committee report on US Intelligence) to the Cold War. This refers to Allende’s political "sin" of allowing the Chilean Communist Party as one of the five political groupings inside his Popular Unity coalition.
In fact, for over a century, US policy makers have consistently plotted to overthrow "disobedient" regimes like Allende’s socialist coalition in Chile. US forces occupied Nicaragua and Haiti for some 20 years each in the early 20th Century after tossing out governments in those countries that refused insufficient obeisance to Washington. Similarly, in Cuba under the terms of the US-imposed Platt Amendment, American forces occupied that island on several occasions (1906-9, 1912 and 1917-22).
Between 1900-10, US troops went into Colombia, Honduras, the Dominican Republic and Panama, mainly to put down revolutionary movements. These troop landings refer only to military actions in this hemisphere. During the same decade, Presidents deployed US troops in China (1900), Syria (1903), Korea (1904-5) and Morocco (1904).
In the 1910-20 period, US troops made numerous incursions into Mexico during its revolutionary era and landed expeditionary forces in Guatemala and Costa Rica as well. Outside the hemisphere, US troops landed again China (1911, 1912 and 1920), Turkey (1912) and the Soviet Union (1918-22) in addition to US participation in World War I.
So, when Powell gives as an excuse the "Cold War" he ignores significant interventionist antecedents in 20th Century US foreign policy. True, during the Cold War the CIA acted in flagrant violation of a host of new treaties signed by the United States that eschewed intervention in the internal affairs of other nations. But the UN and OAS Charters, the NATO and the Rio Treaty be damned, said President Eisenhower in 1953 as he signaled the CIA to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran. In 1954, the Agency toppled the government of Guatemala. In 1964, Lyndon Johnson backed a coup in Brazil and, in the words of former Jamaican Prime Minister Michael Manley, himself a victim of CIA destabilization in 1976 and 1980, "mashed up the good order of society" in several countries. Former CIA official Phillip Agee documented routine CIA interference in the politics of Ecuador, Uruguay and Mexico.
But the 1973 Chile coup took the proverbial cake for blatant imperial illegality. Just days after Allende’s September 1970 electoral victory, Secretary of State Kissinger and President Nixon conspired in the Oval Office to "correct" the destiny of Chileans who had foolishly elected the wrong man as president. For three years following Allende’s electoral triumph, the CIA plotted violence, economic sabotage and psychological warfare against his government because it did not fall into line behind Washington dictates: not allow Communists to enter a government; not expropriate, even with compensation, US property; follow free market economics; eschew all relations with Castro’s Cuba and never vote against the United States in any international forum.
As then CIA Director Richard Helms testified to the Church Committee, Nixon "wanted a major effort to prevent Allende’s accession to power." Nixon also ordered, as Helms’ notes indicate, that Chile’s "economy should be squeezed until it screamed."
The CIA failed to stop Allende’s inauguration, although in October 1970 it hired thugs to murder Chile’s Army Chief General Rene Schneider since he opposed a military coup.
Nixon and Kissinger intended to "save Chile," as they told Helms, meaning that they saw the elected socialist and quintessential Parliamentarian, Allende, as no different from the Soviet Communists. Although Moscow gave no significant aid to Allende, the Nixon-Kissinger ideological dogma nevertheless proved sufficient to motivate the CIA in its course of coup-fomenting or outright terrorism.
Did a memory lapse lead George W. Bush to nominate the terrorist Kissinger who withdrew his name some days later — to investigate the 9/11/01 terrorism, or did some White House savant think that "since Kissinger was a real-life practicing terrorist, he would have the kind of knowledge and experience to lead a probe in the subject"?
Indeed, refer again to CIA Chief Helms’ notes taken from his September 1970 conversation in the Oval Office with Nixon and Kissinger where he received his orders to overthrow the government of Chile. "Not concerned risks involved," Helms had written. "$10,000,000 available, more if necessary." A similar conversation could have taken place somewhere in Saudi Arabia two years before 9/11/01, with Osama bin Laden talking with his fiends about risks and costs involved for hijacking jumbo jets and flying them into the twin towers and Pentagon.
Suppose, I ask myself, I had lost my father or brother in the Moneda Palace in 1973! You can’t sue Kissinger or even pursue justice abroad. US military and political officials, Bush insists, must retain immunity from prosecution outside the United States, thus protecting the terrorists in his Administration and those violent ghosts from regimes past.
In this very born-again nation, with people making pilgrimages to the recently removed Ten Commandments monument in Alabama and piety dripping from the fundamentalist lips of the political leaders, it seems odd that few can remember the words that follow the opening phrase of the Christian adage: "Do unto others."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLbJlIAI8zc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thq-WysY ... re=related
The Other, Almost Forgotten 9/11
by SAUL LANDAU
"The true American goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy."
John Quincy Adams, July 4, 1821
"I am ready to resist by whatever means, even at the cost of my life, so that this may serve as a lesson to the ignominious history of those who use force not reason."
Dr. Salvador Allende, in his last radio address to the Chilean people, 8:30 a.m. — 9/11/73
What did Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger’s 1970-73 conspiracy to overthrow the government of Chile have in common with the 2001 Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda plot to destroy the World Trade Center and Pentagon? Answer: Both of these criminal intrigues reached their climax on 9/11.
Almost all Americans know that 9/11 now refers to the horrendous events two years ago when almost 3,000 people died in terrorist attacks. Few Americans, however, recall that 9/11 also refers to the day in 1973 on which the Chilean armed forces, with US encouragement and help, launched air and ground strikes against the presidential palace, the office of Dr. Salvador Allende, the elected president. Allende died that morning. A reign of terror followed the coup in which tens of thousands of Chileans underwent torture, hundreds of thousands were forced or fled into exile and the democratic institutions of the country were systematically destroyed. The coup leader, General Augusto Pinochet, remained military dictator of Chile for seventeen years four years longer than Hitler.
"The terrorists hate our freedoms," the Chilean workers, peasants and students could have echoed George W. Bush’s post 9/11/01 comments. They would be explaining, however, what lay behind the US and Chilean military plotters who helped make the coup possible, just as George W. Bush simplistically explained the 2001 attack from the mostly Saudi Arabian terrorists.
His Republican predecessor in 1970, Richard Nixon, committed US covert power precisely to destroying the freedom of Chileans, who had selected a president in a freer and fairer election than the 2000 US vote. Indeed, Chileans watched their democracy go up in flames. Their military with full support from Washington proceeded to wipe out their ancient bicameral legislature, independent judiciary, elected local and regional bodies, free trade unions and media and their broad-based civil liberties.
The US government has not yet admitted its actual role in the coup itself. According to a national security source, the Chilean Navy had coordinated with the US armada to hold maneuvers off the coast at precisely the time planned for their putsch. US military spy ships intercepted communiques from Chilean military bases and forwarded them to the treasonous coup-makers. The mutinous general and admirals would then be able to send sufficient force to repress those units whose messages indicated loyalty to the elected government, and thus avoid civil war.
Secretary of State Colin Powell admitted in April of this year that "it is not a part of American history that we’re proud of." Powell attributed the US role in the destabilization of Chile from 1970-73 (some of which is documented in Volume 7 of the 1975 Church Senate Select Committee report on US Intelligence) to the Cold War. This refers to Allende’s political "sin" of allowing the Chilean Communist Party as one of the five political groupings inside his Popular Unity coalition.
In fact, for over a century, US policy makers have consistently plotted to overthrow "disobedient" regimes like Allende’s socialist coalition in Chile. US forces occupied Nicaragua and Haiti for some 20 years each in the early 20th Century after tossing out governments in those countries that refused insufficient obeisance to Washington. Similarly, in Cuba under the terms of the US-imposed Platt Amendment, American forces occupied that island on several occasions (1906-9, 1912 and 1917-22).
Between 1900-10, US troops went into Colombia, Honduras, the Dominican Republic and Panama, mainly to put down revolutionary movements. These troop landings refer only to military actions in this hemisphere. During the same decade, Presidents deployed US troops in China (1900), Syria (1903), Korea (1904-5) and Morocco (1904).
In the 1910-20 period, US troops made numerous incursions into Mexico during its revolutionary era and landed expeditionary forces in Guatemala and Costa Rica as well. Outside the hemisphere, US troops landed again China (1911, 1912 and 1920), Turkey (1912) and the Soviet Union (1918-22) in addition to US participation in World War I.
So, when Powell gives as an excuse the "Cold War" he ignores significant interventionist antecedents in 20th Century US foreign policy. True, during the Cold War the CIA acted in flagrant violation of a host of new treaties signed by the United States that eschewed intervention in the internal affairs of other nations. But the UN and OAS Charters, the NATO and the Rio Treaty be damned, said President Eisenhower in 1953 as he signaled the CIA to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran. In 1954, the Agency toppled the government of Guatemala. In 1964, Lyndon Johnson backed a coup in Brazil and, in the words of former Jamaican Prime Minister Michael Manley, himself a victim of CIA destabilization in 1976 and 1980, "mashed up the good order of society" in several countries. Former CIA official Phillip Agee documented routine CIA interference in the politics of Ecuador, Uruguay and Mexico.
But the 1973 Chile coup took the proverbial cake for blatant imperial illegality. Just days after Allende’s September 1970 electoral victory, Secretary of State Kissinger and President Nixon conspired in the Oval Office to "correct" the destiny of Chileans who had foolishly elected the wrong man as president. For three years following Allende’s electoral triumph, the CIA plotted violence, economic sabotage and psychological warfare against his government because it did not fall into line behind Washington dictates: not allow Communists to enter a government; not expropriate, even with compensation, US property; follow free market economics; eschew all relations with Castro’s Cuba and never vote against the United States in any international forum.
As then CIA Director Richard Helms testified to the Church Committee, Nixon "wanted a major effort to prevent Allende’s accession to power." Nixon also ordered, as Helms’ notes indicate, that Chile’s "economy should be squeezed until it screamed."
The CIA failed to stop Allende’s inauguration, although in October 1970 it hired thugs to murder Chile’s Army Chief General Rene Schneider since he opposed a military coup.
Nixon and Kissinger intended to "save Chile," as they told Helms, meaning that they saw the elected socialist and quintessential Parliamentarian, Allende, as no different from the Soviet Communists. Although Moscow gave no significant aid to Allende, the Nixon-Kissinger ideological dogma nevertheless proved sufficient to motivate the CIA in its course of coup-fomenting or outright terrorism.
Did a memory lapse lead George W. Bush to nominate the terrorist Kissinger who withdrew his name some days later — to investigate the 9/11/01 terrorism, or did some White House savant think that "since Kissinger was a real-life practicing terrorist, he would have the kind of knowledge and experience to lead a probe in the subject"?
Indeed, refer again to CIA Chief Helms’ notes taken from his September 1970 conversation in the Oval Office with Nixon and Kissinger where he received his orders to overthrow the government of Chile. "Not concerned risks involved," Helms had written. "$10,000,000 available, more if necessary." A similar conversation could have taken place somewhere in Saudi Arabia two years before 9/11/01, with Osama bin Laden talking with his fiends about risks and costs involved for hijacking jumbo jets and flying them into the twin towers and Pentagon.
Suppose, I ask myself, I had lost my father or brother in the Moneda Palace in 1973! You can’t sue Kissinger or even pursue justice abroad. US military and political officials, Bush insists, must retain immunity from prosecution outside the United States, thus protecting the terrorists in his Administration and those violent ghosts from regimes past.
In this very born-again nation, with people making pilgrimages to the recently removed Ten Commandments monument in Alabama and piety dripping from the fundamentalist lips of the political leaders, it seems odd that few can remember the words that follow the opening phrase of the Christian adage: "Do unto others."
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then we need constant reminders of how tragic it was and how resilient and strong the US is
don't watch u.s. based television programs or whatever else from america or about america that has you up in your tizzy
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
And Smellyman, I've seen you use that same tired line at least a dozen times on this board, and even once on The Porch when somebody merely held a discussion over whether or not Ed would say anything about 9/11 during the Toronto show. You seem to have a whole lot of hostility towards people who even discuss 9/11. And it's like I told you in that other thread, of course Americans are going to be more affected by something that happened on American soil, it's natural. You seem to be hell bent on making people feel guilty because they are emotionally affected by it.
it bothers me, it bother me greatly. WE had a chance to really take horrible tragic event and make the world a BETTER place.
We had wonderful national pride and the most of the world was positively behind the US.
and we pissed it away.
I hate how 911 is used for political gain
So now when I think of 911 I of course feel horrible for all those affected. But what bothers me more is how events unfolded after it.
Care to elaborate?
Are you offended by the fact that Americans aren't the only people who were attacked on September 11th?
other than that....keep up the great work billy.
fuck this meat wad SAUL LANDAU !
Godfather.
Tough to read after this line of bs. Nice job mr. "writer".
So, Byrnzie, is it not ok for us to mourn the loss of life on 9/1/01?
no he's offended by you intentionally trying get under the american's collective skin with this thread and quite a few others over the past few days by marginalizing what happened here 10 years ago.
i'd like to think that the next time china has a day of rememberance, the american people on this board will not stoop to your low level (though i'd imagine it would be difficult to overlook the vast amount of injustices your goverment has inflicted on people since that country's existence). i'd like to think we're better than that.
with that said, rip to all the chileans who died in 1973. though i think it's unlikely there are many people on this board who lived through it or know someone who did, like what happened in new york (which is obviously the stark contrast here). still sad that many people died though.
I haven't marginalized it. I've Just provided some perspective. Over 3000 Chileans were murdered by a U.S backed coup, and approx 35,000 people were tortured in the ensuing 17 years of Pinochet's rule. It was a serious crime and should be remembered. Americans do not have a monopoly on 9/11.
Also, over 1 million Iraqi's were killed since 9/11. Where's the remembrance for them? How about remembering 9/11 not just for those who were killed on that day as a result of your governments foreign policy, but also for all those who killed since 9/11 once your government used it as an excuse to wreak more havoc in the world?
Man, I really didn't think that even you could go this low.
This day is about people that lost fathers, brothers, sisters, mothers, wives, husbands, friends, etc. for people in the USA. It's about those individual experiences on that day and the effects on real people's lives going forward.
It doesn't have to be political if you don't make it.
yeah, kinda feels like your marginalizing it dude. kinda feels like your just looking for a reaction, which is pretty fucked up.
where's the rememberance for the iraqi's? seems like there have been countless threads about that war over the last nine years. and quite a few people have brought it up in the 9/11 threads. but you want to talk about that stuff, there's about a million threads in here. where's the rememberance for all the people the chinese goverment murdered in various genocides or crimes against humanity over the last few centuries?
9/11 hits home here because so many of us lived through it, and know friends or family members who either died or came close to dying on that day. yesterday was the 10 year anniversary so i think it is obvious why we spent some time talking about it these past few days.
now why don't you go throw in a doug stanhope dvd and chill the hell out? doug stanhope
So now you're going to pretend that 9/11 had nothing to do with U.S foreign policy? This should be interesting. Go ahead and convince me that 9/11 was year zero.
If that's the case, then I apologize. Maybe you could point me to one of these threads, or posts, because I haven't seen any.
And by the way, I'm not Chinese.
Edit: Actually, fuck apologizing. I have nothing to apologize for. This thread is about another 9/11, which is equally as relevant as what happened in America. And it's something that also shouldn't be forgotten.
If you check any of the other threads on 9/11 you'll see that I haven't downgraded, marginalized, or denigrated what happened on that day at all.
The fact that I created this thread dealing with what happened in Chile on that same day is no reason for anyone - including Americans - to have a hissy fit. Period.
Not pretending anything. But it certainly had nothing to do with foreign policy to the little boy who never got to know his father that was killed as he was trying to save others from the burning buildings. For someone as intelligent as you seem to be, I would have thought the point was fairly easy to grasp.
I do get your overall point. I just think it probably could have stayed out of 1 thread. Timing is everything and I don't think you need to shit on the memory of the people killed on 9/1/01 in the US to try to further your argument against the evils of the US government and it's people.
Not to mention, I think there are plenty of people that have used the day to remember the lives lost on that day as well as what happened afterwards. I certainly wish I could take back my support of the war in Iraq and I allowed myself to believe that the president of the US knew more and knew enough. It was believable to me, but I will try to not let believable and a hunch put me in that situation again. 9/11/01 changed many people's lives. I was fortunate to not be directly effected by a loss of a loved one, but many can't say the same thing. It had me thinking about kids in Iraq who feel the same way that kids in New York felt on 9/11/01. It had me understanding what their hatred for the US must be.
It's too bad that all it had you thinking was how horrible the US and it's people are.
Except here of course.
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And here.
Show me where I've shat on the memory of those killed in America on 9/11.
This thread is about another 9/11 that happened in another country. Not everyone on this board is American.
Do you think that what happened in Chile on September 11th 1973 was irrelevant? It resulted in over 3000 deaths, 17 years of oppression and the torture of approx 35,000 people.
and especially those of the people in New York and their familys and friends...great move man. :? you keep keep fishing for the "how bad the US is" card while you live in ...what China or Japan or something like that ?
really ?... please save the bullshit for someone else.
Godfather.
Is that statement true, or isn't it? Or do we need to shelve truth during this particular time on our calendar?
Do you think the life of an American is worth more than the life of a Chilean?
If not, then what's your problem?
Ok. Perhaps I'm being too critical on this thread as it is suppose to be about a different topic. But please don't pretend that you haven't been dismissing or marginalizing the 9/11 tragedy on these forums, specifically in the other thread.
True statement, wrong thread to put it in. The thread was about "Where were you"... obviously getting out the personal connections to the tragedy. By the way, some really powerful posts on that thread too.
When people are thinking back to that day, where they were, how they felt, how they were effected, perhaps you could take 1 thread off trying to remind everyone how evil the US is?
I think you are a smart guy and good at using words to fit your agenda but you shit your hole full on this one buddy.
Godfather.
My point here was that if 9/11 taught Americans anything it was that they don't exist in a bubble. You are a part of a wider World and not everyone see's things through the same lenses as you.
This thread is just another example of that.
The way I see it, 9/11 should be a day of mourning not just for Americans, but for all the hundreds of thousands (or over one million, if the many surveys are correct) Iraqis, Afghans, and other people who have suffered as a result of that day, for whatever reason.
It should also be a day to remember what happened in Chile on that day, as it was fucked-up and resulted in 17 years of suffering and persecution. And Americans really shouldn't take offense when someone brings it up.
O.k. Maybe I shouldn't have posted it there.