9-11 makes me think how we lost our minds and killed one million in retaliation for killing 3000........by 19 mostly saudis....
thats all that 9-11 made you think? it made me think that i feel bad for ALL those who died and the many lives affected by this occurrence
i don't think we have to either or here. . many lives were lost on that day and because of that day.
I didn't say it's ALL I think about.
You're exactly right. It's incredibly sad how a tragedy caused more deaths and affected more lives than can possibly be imagined.
Maybe instead of just saying 1000000 people died after those events, I should also say over 4000 American troops died as well. That seems to pull at America's heart strings more.
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It seems to me we have two topics going here. First is that many innocent people died on 9/11/01 and that was tragic, sad, horrible. We lost the Hellen Keller library- also sad and tragic. We're still loosing firefighters who went in to try to help to health issues and young men today going to wars that have no real meaning- also very sad and tragic. In quiet thoughtfulness we should remember those we've lost.
But secondly we have an event to which we as a nation (the U.S.) have responded terribly. We've retaliated by killing more innocent people. We've amped up racial profiling in America. We've eroded individual freedoms. We've lied to oursleves and others. Many of us remember these things with a less-than-quiet anger.
And lets not forget this- the root cause of 9/11 was two things: Oil and religion.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
by passage of the patriot act, the 2 wars in iraq and afghanistan draining our country of money, blood, and the moral higher ground, the terrorists have in fact won...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
by passage of the patriot act, the 2 wars in iraq and afghanistan draining our country of money, blood, and the moral higher ground, the terrorists have in fact won...
It sure seems that way, Gimme.
This reminds me of a statement Nikita Kruschev made in 1961:
"We do not have to destroy America with missiles, America will destroy itself from within."
Also, what exactly is it we're trying to "win"?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
by passage of the patriot act, the 2 wars in iraq and afghanistan draining our country of money, blood, and the moral higher ground, the terrorists have in fact won...
It sure seems that way, Gimme.
This reminds me of a statement Nikita Kruschev made in 1961:
"We do not have to destroy America with missiles, America will destroy itself from within."
Also, what exactly is it we're trying to "win"?
...
If 'the Terrorists' create chatter that they are going to do something... and we scramble resources and spend millions on beefed up security... and all the terrorists are doing is lying about an attack... doesn't that mean THEY are winning?
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Hail, Hail!!!
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by passage of the patriot act, the 2 wars in iraq and afghanistan draining our country of money, blood, and the moral higher ground, the terrorists have in fact won...
It sure seems that way, Gimme.
This reminds me of a statement Nikita Kruschev made in 1961:
"We do not have to destroy America with missiles, America will destroy itself from within."
Also, what exactly is it we're trying to "win"?
...
If 'the Terrorists' create chatter that they are going to do something... and we scramble resources and spend millions on beefed up security... and all the terrorists are doing is lying about an attack... doesn't that mean THEY are winning?
For the time being, yes. In the long run, as long as there is war, we all loose.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
by passage of the patriot act, the 2 wars in iraq and afghanistan draining our country of money, blood, and the moral higher ground, the terrorists have in fact won...
what i don't get is how we have so many gung ho soldiers over there "defending our freedom" when we already fucking gave it away just after 9/11...there is nothing over there that they could ever accomplish that would make the patriot act and fisa laws go away...
no foreign entity will ever destroy or take away our freedom. the only way we lose it is if we give it away in the form of allowing more restrictive laws and letting the government spy on private citizens without a warrant.
we had very little of that shit before 9/11, and it only took 19 dudes to make us change our whole way of life...
matter of fact, i am willing to bet that the moving train was being monitored back in the 2003 run up to the iraq war...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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what i don't get is how we have so many gung ho soldiers over there "defending our freedom" when we already fucking gave it away just after 9/11...there is nothing over there that they could ever accomplish that would make the patriot act and fisa laws go away...
no foreign entity will ever destroy or take away our freedom. the only way we lose it is if we give it away in the form of allowing more restrictive laws and letting the government spy on private citizens without a warrant.
we had very little of that shit before 9/11, and it only took 19 dudes to make us change our whole way of life...
matter of fact, i am willing to bet that the moving train was being monitored back in the 2003 run up to the iraq war...
You could be absolutely right. I know Michael Franti and his band Spearhead was...also his website StayHuman.org was monitored of which I was a moderator there.
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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Actually if i'm NOT mistaken didn't that sad day for America on 9/11 happen 8 months into GWB watch? Now how did he keep us safe and if this had happened on let's say Obama's watch whould he have been given the same leeway?
I just want you to know that,
When we talk about war,
We really are talking about peace....George W Bush
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
what i don't get is how we have so many gung ho soldiers over there "defending our freedom" when we already fucking gave it away just after 9/11...there is nothing over there that they could ever accomplish that would make the patriot act and fisa laws go away...
no foreign entity will ever destroy or take away our freedom. the only way we lose it is if we give it away in the form of allowing more restrictive laws and letting the government spy on private citizens without a warrant.
we had very little of that shit before 9/11, and it only took 19 dudes to make us change our whole way of life...
matter of fact, i am willing to bet that the moving train was being monitored back in the 2003 run up to the iraq war...
You could be absolutely right. I know Michael Franti and his band Spearhead was...also his website StayHuman.org was monitored of which I was a moderator there.
what i don't get is how we have so many gung ho soldiers over there "defending our freedom" when we already fucking gave it away just after 9/11...there is nothing over there that they could ever accomplish that would make the patriot act and fisa laws go away...
no foreign entity will ever destroy or take away our freedom. the only way we lose it is if we give it away in the form of allowing more restrictive laws and letting the government spy on private citizens without a warrant.
we had very little of that shit before 9/11, and it only took 19 dudes to make us change our whole way of life...
matter of fact, i am willing to bet that the moving train was being monitored back in the 2003 run up to the iraq war...
You could be absolutely right. I know Michael Franti and his band Spearhead was...also his website StayHuman.org was monitored of which I was a moderator there.
if we want to know for sure all it takes is one of us to ask under the freedom of information act.
I don't know if you read this from the Democracy Now interview with Michael. He's the very last person I know as a friend who whould want to do harm to ANYONE much less this country...he's a man who lives and breathes PEACE.
Amy Goodman: What's happened as you've been on this tour?
Michael Franti: Well, what's happened most recently is that we performed at a rally on March 15th in San Francisco and the next day on the 16th that rally was out here mine who prefers to go unnamed, his mother received a visit from two plain clothes men from the military and this band member of mine has a sibling who is in the Gulf. And they came in and talked to her and said you have a child who's in the gulf and you have a child who's in this band Spearhead who's part of the 'resistance' in their words, and they had pictures of us performing the day before at the rally, they had pictures of us performing at some of our annual concerts that we put on that are in support of peace and human rights.
They had his flight records for the past several months, they had the names of everybody who works in my office, our management office 'Guerilla Management'. They had his checking account records. They asked his mother a lot of questions about where he was, what he was doing in this place, why he was going here. They confiscated his sibling's CD collection that they had brought over to listen to while they were in the Gulf, and basically were intimidating she could talk to and which members of the press she should not speak to.
And basically what this signals to me is that particulary singled out or under any investigation for any activity because all the activity that we do is very much above board and all the events where photos were taken out were all public things we were at. But what it does signal to me is that there's a lot of us who are now making a blip on the radar, you know, whether we're organizers at rallies, whether we're musicians, whether we're people who are speaking out, authors, writers, actors. And we're beginning to make little blips on the radar. They're starting to pay attention and collect information about what's going on. You know, more important to me or more important than me you know, being a part of that is the fact that our civil rights are being eroded across the board for every person.
And for musicians in particular it's a really hard time. Last week our label received a letter, a mass e-mail from MTV instructing the fact that no videos could be shown that mentioned the word bombing or war. No videos could be shown that had protesters in it. Any footage from military gave a list of prior videos that could not be shown, yet MTV has aired videos that show troops saying goodbye to their loved ones and going off to war in a very heroic fashion and troops which are gonna be coming home traumatized, wounded and dead and then be treated and thrown onto the scrap heap of veterans, as we've seen veterans treated in this country. And at the Academy Awards, there were also letters and talk that went around saying not to speak out. Radio has put the word out not to air songs that are in opposition to the war and in support of peace. Meanwhile, our song 'Bomb Da World' which we just put out is now in heavy rotation on a top youth radio station in Australia and in Denmark and it's expected to get added to a lot of stations in other countries.
It was a scary time indeed and many musicians were sensored in what they could say, wear and write about like his song *Bomb Da World*
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Also - to the posters who call this just another anti-US thread or to the one who wished me to die, why don't you actually discuss the topic at hand compared to simply blowing it off - it's a lazy way to stick to your own little narrow views with dismissing others with no real fact to back it.
Sorry dude the topic was not we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11. It was and still is that you wrote Happy 9-11.
And I did not say I wish you die. I left a blank space and you filled in the word die. You were free to fill in the blank with whatever word you wanted.
The title "happy 9-11" was given because like most holidays and observances in our society, the meaning is lost over time and forgotten. Secondly, I didn't realize I was playing hangman...
Sorry dude the topic was not we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11. It was and still is that you wrote Happy 9-11.
And I did not say I wish you die. I left a blank space and you filled in the word die. You were free to fill in the blank with whatever word you wanted.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
The title "happy 9-11" was given because like most holidays and observances in our society, the meaning is lost over time and forgotten. Secondly, I didn't realize I was playing hangman...
Sorry dude the topic was not we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11. It was and still is that you wrote Happy 9-11.
And I did not say I wish you die. I left a blank space and you filled in the word die. You were free to fill in the blank with whatever word you wanted.
So you go around saying Happy Holocaust to Jewish People? Happy Hiroshima Day to Japanese people?
Do you go to a funeral and say, Happy your loved one is dead day, to the grieving family?
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,435
The title "happy 9-11" was given because like most holidays and observances in our society, the meaning is lost over time and forgotten. Secondly, I didn't realize I was playing hangman...
Sorry dude the topic was not we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11. It was and still is that you wrote Happy 9-11.
And I did not say I wish you die. I left a blank space and you filled in the word die. You were free to fill in the blank with whatever word you wanted.
So you go around saying Happy Holocaust to Jewish People? Happy Hiroshima Day to Japanese people?
Do you go to a funeral and say, Happy your loved one is dead day, to the grieving family?
Thoughout this whole thread I personnally have never gotten the idea that FiveB247x sees anything "happy" about 9-11 at all. My take is the point was quite the opposite. I don't see that Five is having a good time over any of this. The irony should be obvious. "Happy" would not have been my choice of adjectives here but let's not mistake the intent of the post.
Actually a skilled commedian could make a joke about this or any other subject. Go back and look at George Carlin shows. Sometime his making a joke about things like rape or whatever could sober you up in a second- and always made you think at least twice about something. But yes, irony is tricky as hell. Maybe not the best chioce here, but it seems to me this thread has gotten many of us deeply in thought about a very relevant subject.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Brianlux - Glad to see someone understands what I was aiming at here.
Stipe19 - my use of the word "happy" is not in celebration, but mere sarcasm because of the disgust our society displays in such times. Nothing but a false sense of care, interest and recognition. Collectively we've done very little to change or grow since 9-11, but somehow we're supposed to care that it's the 10th anniversary or that a ceremony is supposed to mean something? The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results. So next time we're attacked, who's fault will that be? Will our nation still lash out in anger at others or perhaps will they look in the mirror? Sad thing is, our nation doesn't look in the mirror to fix things, we point fingers and band-aid problems rather than stop them from occurring again.
Sorry dude the topic was not we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11. It was and still is that you wrote Happy 9-11.
And I did not say I wish you die. I left a blank space and you filled in the word die. You were free to fill in the blank with whatever word you wanted.
So you go around saying Happy Holocaust to Jewish People? Happy Hiroshima Day to Japanese people?
Do you go to a funeral and say, Happy your loved one is dead day, to the grieving family?[/quote]
Thoughout this whole thread I personnally have never gotten the idea that FiveB247x sees anything "happy" about 9-11 at all. My take is the point was quite the opposite. I don't see that Five is having a good time over any of this. The irony should be obvious. "Happy" would not have been my choice of adjectives here but let's not mistake the intent of the post.
Actually a skilled commedian could make a joke about this or any other subject. Go back and look at George Carlin shows. Sometime his making a joke about things like rape or whatever could sober you up in a second- and always made you think at least twice about something. But yes, irony is tricky as hell. Maybe not the best chioce here, but it seems to me this thread has gotten many of us deeply in thought about a very relevant subject.[/quote]
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Regardless of what has happened since.
the fact is a lot of good people died this day. Innocent people. with sons and daughters, mothers and fathers.
somebody on 9/11 is greiving.
And I hold out my hand to them. I offer some comfort
If you know what loss is, you would too
I agree with your premise but would add this focal point, you can't be told how to grieve or remember such things. Individually touched or experienced, everyone has their own way of handling or dealing with such things. Collectively, as a nation, there is an attempt to politicize this event and cram it down the throats of everyone in society in a very specific and certain manner. This is where my post comes into play. Albeit nice and special for some, I'd much prefer we use this day as an example to prevent and alter the future for the betterment of all in our nation and world, then to simply read a list of names, wave some flags and the similar. Come 9-12-11, things will go back to "normal" for the collective population and it's back on the back-burner.
Regardless of what has happened since.
the fact is a lot of good people died this day. Innocent people. with sons and daughters, mothers and fathers.
somebody on 9/11 is greiving.
And I hold out my hand to them. I offer some comfort
If you know what loss is, you would too
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
The thing is we allow these political wankers to hijack these events for their own purposes.
Individuals worldwide will stop and reflect. remember those lost that day and the so many more since in its name.
but simply many many people lost loved ones, and those people are the ones i think off on 9/11.
I understand exactly where your coming from with this. and as such im doing the same. showing you where i am
thanks for sharing
The thing is we allow these political wankers to hijack these events for their own purposes.
Individuals worldwide will stop and reflect. remember those lost that day and the so many more since in its name.
but simply many many people lost loved ones, and those people are the ones i think off on 9/11.
I understand exactly where your coming from with this. and as such im doing the same. showing you where i am thanks for sharing
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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I didn't say it's ALL I think about.
You're exactly right. It's incredibly sad how a tragedy caused more deaths and affected more lives than can possibly be imagined.
Maybe instead of just saying 1000000 people died after those events, I should also say over 4000 American troops died as well. That seems to pull at America's heart strings more.
But secondly we have an event to which we as a nation (the U.S.) have responded terribly. We've retaliated by killing more innocent people. We've amped up racial profiling in America. We've eroded individual freedoms. We've lied to oursleves and others. Many of us remember these things with a less-than-quiet anger.
And lets not forget this- the root cause of 9/11 was two things: Oil and religion.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
winners win.
GW has kept us safe!
WOOT
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Applying the very same logic and reasoning... please, remind me again... who was the president on September 11, 2001?
Hail, Hail!!!
It sure seems that way, Gimme.
This reminds me of a statement Nikita Kruschev made in 1961:
"We do not have to destroy America with missiles, America will destroy itself from within."
Also, what exactly is it we're trying to "win"?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
If 'the Terrorists' create chatter that they are going to do something... and we scramble resources and spend millions on beefed up security... and all the terrorists are doing is lying about an attack... doesn't that mean THEY are winning?
Hail, Hail!!!
For the time being, yes. In the long run, as long as there is war, we all loose.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Yup
no foreign entity will ever destroy or take away our freedom. the only way we lose it is if we give it away in the form of allowing more restrictive laws and letting the government spy on private citizens without a warrant.
we had very little of that shit before 9/11, and it only took 19 dudes to make us change our whole way of life...
matter of fact, i am willing to bet that the moving train was being monitored back in the 2003 run up to the iraq war...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You could be absolutely right. I know Michael Franti and his band Spearhead was...also his website StayHuman.org was monitored of which I was a moderator there.
Here's part of the story...FRANTI & SPEARHEAD BEING TARGETED BY FBI
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Actually if i'm NOT mistaken didn't that sad day for America on 9/11 happen 8 months into GWB watch? Now how did he keep us safe and if this had happened on let's say Obama's watch whould he have been given the same leeway?
I just want you to know that,
When we talk about war,
We really are talking about peace....George W Bush
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
if we want to know for sure all it takes is one of us to ask under the freedom of information act.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't know if you read this from the Democracy Now interview with Michael. He's the very last person I know as a friend who whould want to do harm to ANYONE much less this country...he's a man who lives and breathes PEACE.
Amy Goodman: What's happened as you've been on this tour?
Michael Franti: Well, what's happened most recently is that we performed at a rally on March 15th in San Francisco and the next day on the 16th that rally was out here mine who prefers to go unnamed, his mother received a visit from two plain clothes men from the military and this band member of mine has a sibling who is in the Gulf. And they came in and talked to her and said you have a child who's in the gulf and you have a child who's in this band Spearhead who's part of the 'resistance' in their words, and they had pictures of us performing the day before at the rally, they had pictures of us performing at some of our annual concerts that we put on that are in support of peace and human rights.
They had his flight records for the past several months, they had the names of everybody who works in my office, our management office 'Guerilla Management'. They had his checking account records. They asked his mother a lot of questions about where he was, what he was doing in this place, why he was going here. They confiscated his sibling's CD collection that they had brought over to listen to while they were in the Gulf, and basically were intimidating she could talk to and which members of the press she should not speak to.
And basically what this signals to me is that particulary singled out or under any investigation for any activity because all the activity that we do is very much above board and all the events where photos were taken out were all public things we were at. But what it does signal to me is that there's a lot of us who are now making a blip on the radar, you know, whether we're organizers at rallies, whether we're musicians, whether we're people who are speaking out, authors, writers, actors. And we're beginning to make little blips on the radar. They're starting to pay attention and collect information about what's going on. You know, more important to me or more important than me you know, being a part of that is the fact that our civil rights are being eroded across the board for every person.
And for musicians in particular it's a really hard time. Last week our label received a letter, a mass e-mail from MTV instructing the fact that no videos could be shown that mentioned the word bombing or war. No videos could be shown that had protesters in it. Any footage from military gave a list of prior videos that could not be shown, yet MTV has aired videos that show troops saying goodbye to their loved ones and going off to war in a very heroic fashion and troops which are gonna be coming home traumatized, wounded and dead and then be treated and thrown onto the scrap heap of veterans, as we've seen veterans treated in this country. And at the Academy Awards, there were also letters and talk that went around saying not to speak out. Radio has put the word out not to air songs that are in opposition to the war and in support of peace. Meanwhile, our song 'Bomb Da World' which we just put out is now in heavy rotation on a top youth radio station in Australia and in Denmark and it's expected to get added to a lot of stations in other countries.
It was a scary time indeed and many musicians were sensored in what they could say, wear and write about like his song *Bomb Da World*
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Sorry dude the topic was not we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11. It was and still is that you wrote Happy 9-11.
And I did not say I wish you die. I left a blank space and you filled in the word die. You were free to fill in the blank with whatever word you wanted.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Do you go to a funeral and say, Happy your loved one is dead day, to the grieving family?
Thoughout this whole thread I personnally have never gotten the idea that FiveB247x sees anything "happy" about 9-11 at all. My take is the point was quite the opposite. I don't see that Five is having a good time over any of this. The irony should be obvious. "Happy" would not have been my choice of adjectives here but let's not mistake the intent of the post.
Actually a skilled commedian could make a joke about this or any other subject. Go back and look at George Carlin shows. Sometime his making a joke about things like rape or whatever could sober you up in a second- and always made you think at least twice about something. But yes, irony is tricky as hell. Maybe not the best chioce here, but it seems to me this thread has gotten many of us deeply in thought about a very relevant subject.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Stipe19 - my use of the word "happy" is not in celebration, but mere sarcasm because of the disgust our society displays in such times. Nothing but a false sense of care, interest and recognition. Collectively we've done very little to change or grow since 9-11, but somehow we're supposed to care that it's the 10th anniversary or that a ceremony is supposed to mean something? The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results. So next time we're attacked, who's fault will that be? Will our nation still lash out in anger at others or perhaps will they look in the mirror? Sad thing is, our nation doesn't look in the mirror to fix things, we point fingers and band-aid problems rather than stop them from occurring again.
So you go around saying Happy Holocaust to Jewish People? Happy Hiroshima Day to Japanese people?
Do you go to a funeral and say, Happy your loved one is dead day, to the grieving family?[/quote]
Thoughout this whole thread I personnally have never gotten the idea that FiveB247x sees anything "happy" about 9-11 at all. My take is the point was quite the opposite. I don't see that Five is having a good time over any of this. The irony should be obvious. "Happy" would not have been my choice of adjectives here but let's not mistake the intent of the post.
Actually a skilled commedian could make a joke about this or any other subject. Go back and look at George Carlin shows. Sometime his making a joke about things like rape or whatever could sober you up in a second- and always made you think at least twice about something. But yes, irony is tricky as hell. Maybe not the best chioce here, but it seems to me this thread has gotten many of us deeply in thought about a very relevant subject.[/quote]
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
the fact is a lot of good people died this day. Innocent people. with sons and daughters, mothers and fathers.
somebody on 9/11 is greiving.
And I hold out my hand to them. I offer some comfort
If you know what loss is, you would too
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Individuals worldwide will stop and reflect. remember those lost that day and the so many more since in its name.
but simply many many people lost loved ones, and those people are the ones i think off on 9/11.
I understand exactly where your coming from with this. and as such im doing the same. showing you where i am
thanks for sharing
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis