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FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
edited September 2011 in A Moving Train
Since we love nothing but remembering 9-11 as an anniversary and anything more than a patriotic fervor, I wish everyone a happy 9-11. Yeah I'm an asshole, but atleast I recognize the meaning of such actions, which our nation and government seemed to long forget. We use it nothing more than a political tool and fear mongering mechanism. Keep watching the terror alerts and waving the flags, it means so much and really works to fix the future and world around us.

“Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.” - William Shakespeare

http://political-illusions.blogspot.com/2008/09/bells-and-whistles_11.html

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-would-rather-think-about-911-than-anything,21309/
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  • stipe19stipe19 Posts: 237
    I HOPE YOU --- ON 9-11-11
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Since we love nothing but remembering 9-11 as an anniversary and anything more than a patriotic fervor, I wish everyone a happy 9-11. Yeah I'm an asshole, but atleast I recognize the meaning of such actions, which our nation and government seemed to long forget. We use it nothing more than a political tool and fear mongering mechanism. Keep watching the terror alerts and waving the flags, it means so much and really works to fix the future and world around us.

    “Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.” - William Shakespeare

    http://political-illusions.blogspot.com/2008/09/bells-and-whistles_11.html

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-would-rather-think-about-911-than-anything,21309/

    I think you have to separate the government from the people who actually suffered alot from this. I'm sure the kids who lost their parents in 9-11 don't look at it with patriotic fervor but more like the saddest day in their lives.
  • conmanconman Posts: 7,493
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yeah I'm an asshole
  • IrishGuyIrishGuy Posts: 258
    FiveB247x wrote:
    “Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.” - William Shakespeare
    Actually it was George Bernard Shaw that said that.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    you seem to be the one whinning.

    Godfather.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    conman wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yeah I'm an asshole

    +1
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    I do recall the feeling of togetherness after 9/11 for awhile, among many Americans. I never thought of it as Patriotism though. I thought of it as a sadness that brought us together. Every year I think about it on the anniversary, and I feel sad that I wish it could've been avoided and those 3000+ people should not have suffered like they did.

    More often than not, I think it is a HOMAGE.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,157
    good lord :roll:

    actually had to bust out the "rolling eyes" for the first time.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    9-11 makes me think how we lost our minds and killed one million in retaliation for killing 3000........by 19 mostly saudis....
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Smellyman wrote:
    9-11 makes me think how we lost our minds and killed one million in retaliation for killing 3000........by 19 mostly saudis....


    ...Not sure where you got the one million. I thought it was closer to one billion.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    ohhh fuck meee ! here we go another thread about how bad and mean the USA is....blah blah whaaaaaa !
    what a bunch of stupid ass bullshit...more wasted forum space....my last post on this bullshit thread.

    Godfather.
  • DragonsAfter3or4DragonsAfter3or4 Bluegrass Posts: 339
    Godfather. wrote:
    ohhh fuck meee ! here we go another thread about how bad and mean the USA is....blah blah whaaaaaa !
    what a bunch of stupid ass bullshit...more wasted forum space....my last post on this bullshit thread.

    Godfather.

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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Could be true, but it doesn't make me any less right - just means I'm stating the cold harsh reality of how our society has acted since these events. We're not altruistic, we're uncaring in our actions... but let's all have a ceremony cause it means so much? I call bs.
    conman wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yeah I'm an asshole
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Could be true, but it doesn't make me any less right - just means I'm stating the cold harsh reality of how our society has acted since these events. We're not altruistic, we're uncaring in our actions... but let's all have a ceremony cause it means so much? I call bs.
    conman wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yeah I'm an asshole


    When you say We, do you mean our Government, Military and News Media? because I don't have any control over them. I do care.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Everyone attempts to separate themselves individually from the government, military and media and/or corporate america. The reality is these things exist because of all of us - we the citizens enable all their existence and actions and could fix and change all of them to act how we please, but we do not. We buy products, we pay our taxes, we participate in the society which produces the media and the fear and consumer culture. To attempt to pass off the actions and effects of these things solely on them and not take any responsibility and accountability in the matter is simply pathetic - which is what our society and culture is.
    BinauralJam wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Could be true, but it doesn't make me any less right - just means I'm stating the cold harsh reality of how our society has acted since these events. We're not altruistic, we're uncaring in our actions... but let's all have a ceremony cause it means so much? I call bs.

    When you say We, do you mean our Government, Military and News Media? because I don't have any control over them. I do care.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    What do you suggest?
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    It's not very complicated - our nation and government was created to function in a very specific way - participation and representation. The citizens don't pay attention or participate which has led the representation to be sold off to big business and self-interest. That's the foundation of where our nation has strayed down a different path which is filled with private and self-interest and greed. And sadly, as this has occurred, our citizens have followed in line by pursuing the same achievements and holding them up as legitimate goals in life.
    BinauralJam wrote:
    What do you suggest?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,271
    FiveB247x wrote:
    It's not very complicated - our nation and government was created to function in a very specific way - participation and representation. The citizens don't pay attention or participate which has led the representation to be sold off to big business and self-interest. That's the foundation of where our nation has strayed down a different path which is filled with private and self-interest and greed. And sadly, as this has occurred, our citizens have followed in line by pursuing the same achievements and holding them up as legitimate goals in life.
    BinauralJam wrote:
    What do you suggest?
    Seems that way to me too.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    FiveB247x wrote:
    It's not very complicated - our nation and government was created to function in a very specific way - participation and representation. The citizens don't pay attention or participate which has led the representation to be sold off to big business and self-interest. That's the foundation of where our nation has strayed down a different path which is filled with private and self-interest and greed. And sadly, as this has occurred, our citizens have followed in line by pursuing the same achievements and holding them up as legitimate goals in life.
    BinauralJam wrote:
    What do you suggest?


    Sounds good, we could be a Democracy instead of a Republic. I'd Love that, but in the mean time i'm not going to feel bad for going with the flow, i like having something to eat every day and shelter and attending Pearl Jam concerts, i'm selfish like that.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited September 2011
    September 11th is a solemn anniversary for me. I am not going to 'Celebrate' it, rather, 'Observe' for the losses that came about as a result. With one of the greatest losses being the feeling of unity we all had, as a nation, as Americans, that day and the weeks to follow. We have allowed political bickering to divide us, so shortly after those horrible attacks. We were once Americans... we are now Liberal/Conservative, Republican/Democrat, Red/Blue... and we have only ourselves to blames. Those terrorist murderers brought us together... we divided ourselves by our own hands.
    ...
    Personally, i don't care how anyone chooses to remember or celebrate or reflect upon September 11th. This is still America and we are free to choose... regardless of what others may feel about it.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,271
    BinauralJam wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    It's not very complicated - our nation and government was created to function in a very specific way - participation and representation. The citizens don't pay attention or participate which has led the representation to be sold off to big business and self-interest. That's the foundation of where our nation has strayed down a different path which is filled with private and self-interest and greed. And sadly, as this has occurred, our citizens have followed in line by pursuing the same achievements and holding them up as legitimate goals in life.
    BinauralJam wrote:
    What do you suggest?


    Sounds good, we could be a Democracy instead of a Republic. I'd Love that, but in the mean time i'm not going to feel bad for going with the flow, i like having something to eat every day and shelter and attending Pearl Jam concerts, i'm selfish like that.
    food , shelter and clothing are basic necessities of living. All the rest is.......as you say selfish. Although I would posit the arguement the PJ and other artists fill a necessity too.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Also - to the posters who call this just another anti-US thread or to the one who wished me to die, why don't you actually discuss the topic at hand compared to simply blowing it off - it's a lazy way to stick to your own little narrow views with dismissing others with no real fact to back it.

    I'm a patriot. I believe in the tenets our nation was founded upon. I'm not loyal to a party, administration or politician. Our nation is more than those simplistic things. In terms of 9-11, a ceremony remembering the dead doesn't mean much of anything if we don't learn and grow from the experience itself. The funeral for these people passed, perhaps it's time to actually stop what caused it instead of continuing it? Seems like a legitimate and logical process, but in our ultra-nationalist society, the ceremony is what's important. And for those of you who claim and say you're so caring about 3,000 people, do you do the same for other victims in tragedies of recent? Our society has a very false sense of morality, care and justice. Ceremonies and remembrances of these sort only point out the hypocrisy of it where it is displayed so over the top. People in our society aren't interested in changing, growing or having things fixed at the cost of it effecting them directly. The messages and meanings are forgotten over time and it's just an empty puppet show carried out to extract some type of patriotic and victimization thought process instead.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Also - to the posters who call this just another anti-US thread or to the one who wished me to die, why don't you actually discuss the topic at hand compared to simply blowing it off - it's a lazy way to stick to your own little narrow views with dismissing others with no real fact to back it.


    So, what's the topic again? 9/11 remembrances suck? The US gov't sucks? The US people suck?
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  • hostishostis Posts: 441
    selfish people suck. Remember the one commandment of pearl jam...
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    Smellyman wrote:
    9-11 makes me think how we lost our minds and killed one million in retaliation for killing 3000........by 19 mostly saudis....

    thats all that 9-11 made you think? it made me think that i feel bad for ALL those who died and the many lives affected by this occurrence

    i don't think we have to either or here. . many lives were lost on that day and because of that day.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    The topic is we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11.
    cincybearcat wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Also - to the posters who call this just another anti-US thread or to the one who wished me to die, why don't you actually discuss the topic at hand compared to simply blowing it off - it's a lazy way to stick to your own little narrow views with dismissing others with no real fact to back it.


    So, what's the topic again? 9/11 remembrances suck? The US gov't sucks? The US people suck?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The topic is we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11.
    ...
    I agree with what you are getting at. That we should learn the lessons of what to do and what NOT to do that these attacks have shown us. We may be better served in thinking about the what we have and haven't done in the past 10 years, instead of just the one day. Have we honored the ones who died that day... or used their deaths to satisfy our own wants?
    I am hoping that is isn't going the be the predictable media blitz to garner ratings... or the same old tiresome politics of over analyzing and interpreting messages based upon out of context sentences in 5 second sound bites.
    But, in today's environment... I'm not holding my breath.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    That's exactly the point Cosmo.
    Cosmo wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The topic is we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11.
    ...
    I agree with what you are getting at. That we should learn the lessons of what to do and what NOT to do that these attacks have shown us. We may be better served in thinking about the what we have and haven't done in the past 10 years, instead of just the one day. Have we honored the ones who died that day... or used their deaths to satisfy our own wants?
    I am hoping that is isn't going the be the predictable media blitz to garner ratings... or the same old tiresome politics of over analyzing and interpreting messages based upon out of context sentences in 5 second sound bites.
    But, in today's environment... I'm not holding my breath.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The topic is we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11.
    cincybearcat wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Also - to the posters who call this just another anti-US thread or to the one who wished me to die, why don't you actually discuss the topic at hand compared to simply blowing it off - it's a lazy way to stick to your own little narrow views with dismissing others with no real fact to back it.


    So, what's the topic again? 9/11 remembrances suck? The US gov't sucks? The US people suck?

    Wow, i never knew that this was the topic. I agree that some have forgotten about that day but i don't think its fair to say that everyone has. I still think that there are many people who did change from that day.

    you might not like how they changed but they did change.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Some individuals change, but as a whole, our nation has reiterated and followed the same path which what got us attacked to begin with. If you wanna call that "change" so be it, but we the people are our government and their actions are a reflection of and by us. Simply because we sit on our hands, doesn't mean we're removed from it.
    fife wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The topic is we have forgotten or ignored how to evolve as a result of 9-11.

    Wow, i never knew that this was the topic. I agree that some have forgotten about that day but i don't think its fair to say that everyone has. I still think that there are many people who did change from that day.

    you might not like how they changed but they did change.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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