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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Thanx for responding, everyone. The major grievences seem to be these:
    Gun Control (although there have been no actions taken to support this)
    We are still at war.
    We are still incarcerating detainees at Guantanamo without charges filed against them.
    Extension of the Patriot Act
    Pro-Big Banks (and Financial Institutions)
    Class Warfare aimed at the wealthy.
    Not stopped Illegal Immigration.

    ...
    What it sounds like is everyone is pretty much on the same page.
    These are valid grievences and i agree with most of them... but let's be honest, these conditions didn't begin in January of 2009. If you are anti-war today, you were anti-war in 2003, right?
    I mean, yeah, these things could be changed by the current admnistration... but, other than the Health Care Bill... what is President Obama's Administration responsible for?
    ...
    Anti-Gun... well, even if he personally wants stricter controls... what has he done (not said) that is anti-gun? Other than rounding up the arms in the hands of the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The War, Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act tend to be Conservative talking points. I mean, I just can't picture Conservative Republicans (or Rush Limbaugh) sharing the same view about the message Cindy Sheehan carried (although, in my opinion, Sheehan's deliver of her valid message was pretty fucking horrible)

    Regarding Financial grievences... I don't understand how Obama can be pro-Big Banking... and wage Class Warfare at the same time. How does that work?

    Stopping Illegal Immigration... well, join the ranks of every President.

    I think this points out that we are pretty much on the same page. We are anti-War (current wars), want to see Guantanamo shutdown and the Patriot Act expired. We don't want to bail out rich fucking assholes that have fucked us up and that these big fucking financial institutions need to be regulated because they prove to us that they just cannot be trusted to regulate themselves.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,433
    Cosmo wrote:
    I think this points out that we are pretty much on the same page. We are anti-War (current wars), want to see Guantanamo shutdown and the Patriot Act expired. We don't want to bail out rich fucking assholes that have fucked us up and that these big fucking financial institutions need to be regulated because they prove to us that they just cannot be trusted to regulate themselves.
    Well said, Cosmo.
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  • mikepegg44 wrote:
    mickeyrat wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    some consider working against the democrats as working for the country
    working for their re-election maybe. But continueing to block any idea proposed by the other "side" and putting nothing forth into action from your own party isnt working for the country. At least in my independent opinion.


    term limits. No one would care about re-election if you could only get elected once

    And finance reform... Just the idea that you need to raise and spend millions of dollars to get elected to a job that pays $174k, just shows how fucked up things are. Where is the majority of these legislators' time, effort and attention going? To the benefit of the industries/special interest/etc who helped raise that money.
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  • Sludge FactorySludge Factory Posts: 976
    edited September 2011
    Cosmo wrote:
    Thanx for responding, everyone. The major grievences seem to be these:
    Gun Control (although there have been no actions taken to support this)
    We are still at war.
    We are still incarcerating detainees at Guantanamo without charges filed against them.
    Extension of the Patriot Act
    Pro-Big Banks (and Financial Institutions)
    Class Warfare aimed at the wealthy.
    Not stopped Illegal Immigration.

    ...
    What it sounds like is everyone is pretty much on the same page.
    These are valid grievences and i agree with most of them... but let's be honest, these conditions didn't begin in January of 2009. If you are anti-war today, you were anti-war in 2003, right?
    I mean, yeah, these things could be changed by the current admnistration... but, other than the Health Care Bill... what is President Obama's Administration responsible for?
    ...
    Anti-Gun... well, even if he personally wants stricter controls... what has he done (not said) that is anti-gun? Other than rounding up the arms in the hands of the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The War, Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act tend to be Conservative talking points. I mean, I just can't picture Conservative Republicans (or Rush Limbaugh) sharing the same view about the message Cindy Sheehan carried (although, in my opinion, Sheehan's deliver of her valid message was pretty fucking horrible)

    Regarding Financial grievences... I don't understand how Obama can be pro-Big Banking... and wage Class Warfare at the same time. How does that work?

    Stopping Illegal Immigration... well, join the ranks of every President.

    I think this points out that we are pretty much on the same page. We are anti-War (current wars), want to see Guantanamo shutdown and the Patriot Act expired. We don't want to bail out rich fucking assholes that have fucked us up and that these big fucking financial institutions need to be regulated because they prove to us that they just cannot be trusted to regulate themselves.

    I mostly agree with what you are saying here but I do take exception to the “more regulations” part. The big institutions have plenty of regulations on them to begin with. In fact, they wouldn’t have it any other way because the regulations that are posed onto the big businesses of America is a key hurdle in preventing smaller upstarts from ever being able to compete on a level playing field. The market is not allowed to weed out the bad businesses when the big businesses are in bed with government already. You want more regulation? Well so do these big fucking financial institutions. Sure they will cry and moan about it, but in the end they will work their contacts in the government so that the regulations look like a slap on the wrist but ends up being further protectionism.
    If we didn’t have such protectionisms in place the corporations would be forced to actually compete on a level playing field as opposed to gaming the system; increasing regulations only plays into solidifying those at the top. Sure, outwardly it affects them too, but in the end it stagnates everything.
    Government regulations is usually a barrier for new entrants into specific sectors so no one can really ever start up and compete on a level playing field with the corporations; they are too protected from having lawsuits held against them when they do wrong but also well endowed with assets to go after smaller upstarts if they even so much as think about infringing on “their market". The best a small company can hope for in these situations is that instead of lawsuits they are offered to be bought out. The already established corporations will adapt or move elsewhere while anyone even thinking of starting up a business plan will have a huge hurdle to leap before they can even begin to compete.
    Some examples of barriers:
    http://www.doaskdotell.com/content/smallbiz.htm
    http://www.pagoppolicy.com/Display/Site ... hivers.pdf
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Cosmo wrote:
    Thanx for responding, everyone. The major grievences seem to be these:
    Gun Control (although there have been no actions taken to support this)
    We are still at war.
    We are still incarcerating detainees at Guantanamo without charges filed against them.
    Extension of the Patriot Act
    Pro-Big Banks (and Financial Institutions)
    Class Warfare aimed at the wealthy.
    Not stopped Illegal Immigration.

    ...
    What it sounds like is everyone is pretty much on the same page.
    These are valid grievences and i agree with most of them... but let's be honest, these conditions didn't begin in January of 2009. If you are anti-war today, you were anti-war in 2003, right?
    I mean, yeah, these things could be changed by the current admnistration... but, other than the Health Care Bill... what is President Obama's Administration responsible for?
    ...
    Anti-Gun... well, even if he personally wants stricter controls... what has he done (not said) that is anti-gun? Other than rounding up the arms in the hands of the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The War, Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act tend to be Conservative talking points. I mean, I just can't picture Conservative Republicans (or Rush Limbaugh) sharing the same view about the message Cindy Sheehan carried (although, in my opinion, Sheehan's deliver of her valid message was pretty fucking horrible)

    Regarding Financial grievences... I don't understand how Obama can be pro-Big Banking... and wage Class Warfare at the same time. How does that work?

    Stopping Illegal Immigration... well, join the ranks of every President.

    I think this points out that we are pretty much on the same page. We are anti-War (current wars), want to see Guantanamo shutdown and the Patriot Act expired. We don't want to bail out rich fucking assholes that have fucked us up and that these big fucking financial institutions need to be regulated because they prove to us that they just cannot be trusted to regulate themselves.

    agreed. Things didn't start the day he got elected, but when you run on a platform of hope and change, and there seems to be no hope and nothing is changing...what are you left with

    he can be pro-big banks and a class warrior...He loves the money that Goldman-Sachs and others give, so he helps them out...there is a word for it, hypocrisy, His constant rhetoric depicting those who are wealthy as the enemy of the prosperity of America divides people and really does keep his base happy... That is the class warfare he is engaged in... If I have to hear that bullshit about warren one more fucking time I am going to lose my mind...That may not be what he means to do, or the point he is trying to make, but that is how it is coming across...


    That is just my opinion of him...he seems like a fine man, he wants the best for a lot of people, but he seems overwhelmed by the job...he may just not be cut out for President and that is ok, he can do a lot of good for a lot of people after his presidency has come and gone.
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  • great points everyone! But i would say the issues with having Obama as president are deeper...such as his views! You cannot change the way he thinks.....he is not experienced enough to lead this nation! He sought out radicals in college. His own words....
    He is a marxist and his father was a marxist muslim. He looks up to his father. His middle name is Hussein! CMon!
    He doesnt have American Pride running through his blood! I dont see that passion and pride in him. I dont feel it in him. He doesnt put his hand on his heart for the Anthem! His views of big govt. dont work in this type of country...unless you want to fundamentally transform it! This country is not small enough, nor built for big govt., entitlement society from cradle to grave. This philosophy leads to a dependent society, which turns people more complacent and lazy. It kills the entrepreneurial spirit! The personal responsiblity factor is being taken away!
    He is the most divisive president i have ever known!
    He has totally blown a great opportunity to unite this country and show people a new way!
    His policies are total job killers and creates an atmosphere of uncertainty with everyone from top to bottom
    His energy policies are weak, lackluster and non existent! If so, they are too expensive
    His Health Care bill is a monstrosity! Too expensive.....too much costs....unfair....unconstitutional!
    His jobs bill.....is aimed at unions and payoffs to people he owes from the elections!
    Everything he does.....is to payoff someone or some big corp. that supported him!
    Thats all for now...i can go all night! He sucks!
    Kennedy and Clinton Democrats are considered BLUE DOG DEMS....thats ok.....but this liberal socialist, marxist.....is no good for this country! Enemies and radicals from around the world....have taken over the Democratic Party!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

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  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    great points everyone! But i would say the issues with having Obama as president are deeper...such as his views! You cannot change the way he thinks.....he is not experienced enough to lead this nation! He sought out radicals in college. His own words....
    He is a marxist and his father was a marxist muslim. He looks up to his father. His middle name is Hussein! CMon!
    He doesnt have American Pride running through his blood! I dont see that passion and pride in him. I dont feel it in him. He doesnt put his hand on his heart for the Anthem! His views of big govt. dont work in this type of country...unless you want to fundamentally transform it! This country is not small enough, nor built for big govt., entitlement society from cradle to grave. This philosophy leads to a dependent society, which turns people more complacent and lazy. It kills the entrepreneurial spirit! The personal responsiblity factor is being taken away!
    He is the most divisive president i have ever known!
    He has totally blown a great opportunity to unite this country and show people a new way!
    His policies are total job killers and creates an atmosphere of uncertainty with everyone from top to bottom
    His energy policies are weak, lackluster and non existent! If so, they are too expensive
    His Health Care bill is a monstrosity! Too expensive.....too much costs....unfair....unconstitutional!
    His jobs bill.....is aimed at unions and payoffs to people he owes from the elections!
    Everything he does.....is to payoff someone or some big corp. that supported him!
    Thats all for now...i can go all night! He sucks!
    Kennedy and Clinton Democrats are considered BLUE DOG DEMS....thats ok.....but this liberal socialist, marxist.....is no good for this country! Enemies and radicals from around the world....have taken over the Democratic Party!
    :roll:
  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    great points everyone! But i would say the issues with having Obama as president are deeper...such as his views! You cannot change the way he thinks.....he is not experienced enough to lead this nation! He sought out radicals in college. His own words....
    He is a marxist and his father was a marxist muslim. He looks up to his father. His middle name is Hussein! CMon!
    He doesnt have American Pride running through his blood! I dont see that passion and pride in him. I dont feel it in him. He doesnt put his hand on his heart for the Anthem! His views of big govt. dont work in this type of country...unless you want to fundamentally transform it! This country is not small enough, nor built for big govt., entitlement society from cradle to grave. This philosophy leads to a dependent society, which turns people more complacent and lazy. It kills the entrepreneurial spirit! The personal responsiblity factor is being taken away!
    He is the most divisive president i have ever known!
    He has totally blown a great opportunity to unite this country and show people a new way!
    His policies are total job killers and creates an atmosphere of uncertainty with everyone from top to bottom
    His energy policies are weak, lackluster and non existent! If so, they are too expensive
    His Health Care bill is a monstrosity! Too expensive.....too much costs....unfair....unconstitutional!
    His jobs bill.....is aimed at unions and payoffs to people he owes from the elections!
    Everything he does.....is to payoff someone or some big corp. that supported him!
    Thats all for now...i can go all night! He sucks!
    Kennedy and Clinton Democrats are considered BLUE DOG DEMS....thats ok.....but this liberal socialist, marxist.....is no good for this country! Enemies and radicals from around the world....have taken over the Democratic Party!
    Just out of curiosity, have you ever blown Ronald McDonald?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    great points everyone! But i would say the issues with having Obama as president are deeper...such as his views! You cannot change the way he thinks.....he is not experienced enough to lead this nation! He sought out radicals in college. His own words....
    He is a marxist and his father was a marxist muslim. He looks up to his father. His middle name is Hussein! CMon!
    He doesnt have American Pride running through his blood! I dont see that passion and pride in him. I dont feel it in him. He doesnt put his hand on his heart for the Anthem! His views of big govt. dont work in this type of country...unless you want to fundamentally transform it! This country is not small enough, nor built for big govt., entitlement society from cradle to grave. This philosophy leads to a dependent society, which turns people more complacent and lazy. It kills the entrepreneurial spirit! The personal responsiblity factor is being taken away!
    He is the most divisive president i have ever known!
    He has totally blown a great opportunity to unite this country and show people a new way!
    His policies are total job killers and creates an atmosphere of uncertainty with everyone from top to bottom
    His energy policies are weak, lackluster and non existent! If so, they are too expensive
    His Health Care bill is a monstrosity! Too expensive.....too much costs....unfair....unconstitutional!
    His jobs bill.....is aimed at unions and payoffs to people he owes from the elections!
    Everything he does.....is to payoff someone or some big corp. that supported him!
    Thats all for now...i can go all night! He sucks!
    Kennedy and Clinton Democrats are considered BLUE DOG DEMS....thats ok.....but this liberal socialist, marxist.....is no good for this country! Enemies and radicals from around the world....have taken over the Democratic Party!

    :lol:
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    ...
    He essentially talks out of both sides of his mouth...so I suppose he is an excellent politician to have made it so far.

    never forget the man is also a lawyer. 8-)
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  • CH156378 wrote:
    great points everyone! But i would say the issues with having Obama as president are deeper...such as his views! You cannot change the way he thinks.....he is not experienced enough to lead this nation! He sought out radicals in college. His own words....
    He is a marxist and his father was a marxist muslim. He looks up to his father. His middle name is Hussein! CMon!
    He doesnt have American Pride running through his blood! I dont see that passion and pride in him. I dont feel it in him. He doesnt put his hand on his heart for the Anthem! His views of big govt. dont work in this type of country...unless you want to fundamentally transform it! This country is not small enough, nor built for big govt., entitlement society from cradle to grave. This philosophy leads to a dependent society, which turns people more complacent and lazy. It kills the entrepreneurial spirit! The personal responsiblity factor is being taken away!
    He is the most divisive president i have ever known!
    He has totally blown a great opportunity to unite this country and show people a new way!
    His policies are total job killers and creates an atmosphere of uncertainty with everyone from top to bottom
    His energy policies are weak, lackluster and non existent! If so, they are too expensive
    His Health Care bill is a monstrosity! Too expensive.....too much costs....unfair....unconstitutional!
    His jobs bill.....is aimed at unions and payoffs to people he owes from the elections!
    Everything he does.....is to payoff someone or some big corp. that supported him!
    Thats all for now...i can go all night! He sucks!
    Kennedy and Clinton Democrats are considered BLUE DOG DEMS....thats ok.....but this liberal socialist, marxist.....is no good for this country! Enemies and radicals from around the world....have taken over the Democratic Party!
    Just out of curiosity, have you ever blown Ronald McDonald?

    Just out of curiosity, have you ever spent time seeking The Truth?
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • ...
    He essentially talks out of both sides of his mouth...so I suppose he is an excellent politician to have made it so far.

    never forget the man is also a lawyer. 8-)

    LOL, true enough. :lol:

    Unfortunately, I have to deal with lawyers quite a bit at my job... :(
  • CH156378 wrote:
    great points everyone! But i would say the issues with having Obama as president are deeper...such as his views! You cannot change the way he thinks.....he is not experienced enough to lead this nation! He sought out radicals in college. His own words....
    He is a marxist and his father was a marxist muslim. He looks up to his father. His middle name is Hussein! CMon!
    He doesnt have American Pride running through his blood! I dont see that passion and pride in him. I dont feel it in him. He doesnt put his hand on his heart for the Anthem! His views of big govt. dont work in this type of country...unless you want to fundamentally transform it! This country is not small enough, nor built for big govt., entitlement society from cradle to grave. This philosophy leads to a dependent society, which turns people more complacent and lazy. It kills the entrepreneurial spirit! The personal responsiblity factor is being taken away!
    He is the most divisive president i have ever known!
    He has totally blown a great opportunity to unite this country and show people a new way!
    His policies are total job killers and creates an atmosphere of uncertainty with everyone from top to bottom
    His energy policies are weak, lackluster and non existent! If so, they are too expensive
    His Health Care bill is a monstrosity! Too expensive.....too much costs....unfair....unconstitutional!
    His jobs bill.....is aimed at unions and payoffs to people he owes from the elections!
    Everything he does.....is to payoff someone or some big corp. that supported him!
    Thats all for now...i can go all night! He sucks!
    Kennedy and Clinton Democrats are considered BLUE DOG DEMS....thats ok.....but this liberal socialist, marxist.....is no good for this country! Enemies and radicals from around the world....have taken over the Democratic Party!
    Just out of curiosity, have you ever blown Ronald McDonald?

    Just out of curiosity, have you ever spent time seeking The Truth?

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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    great points everyone! But i would say the issues with having Obama as president are deeper...such as his views! You cannot change the way he thinks.....he is not experienced enough to lead this nation! He sought out radicals in college. His own words....
    He is a marxist and his father was a marxist muslim. He looks up to his father. His middle name is Hussein! CMon!
    He doesnt have American Pride running through his blood! I dont see that passion and pride in him. I dont feel it in him. He doesnt put his hand on his heart for the Anthem! His views of big govt. dont work in this type of country...unless you want to fundamentally transform it! This country is not small enough, nor built for big govt., entitlement society from cradle to grave. This philosophy leads to a dependent society, which turns people more complacent and lazy. It kills the entrepreneurial spirit! The personal responsiblity factor is being taken away!
    He is the most divisive president i have ever known!
    He has totally blown a great opportunity to unite this country and show people a new way!
    His policies are total job killers and creates an atmosphere of uncertainty with everyone from top to bottom
    His energy policies are weak, lackluster and non existent! If so, they are too expensive
    His Health Care bill is a monstrosity! Too expensive.....too much costs....unfair....unconstitutional!
    His jobs bill.....is aimed at unions and payoffs to people he owes from the elections!
    Everything he does.....is to payoff someone or some big corp. that supported him!
    Thats all for now...i can go all night! He sucks!
    Kennedy and Clinton Democrats are considered BLUE DOG DEMS....thats ok.....but this liberal socialist, marxist.....is no good for this country! Enemies and radicals from around the world....have taken over the Democratic Party!

    I guess that was our long anticipated lesson! :lol:
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    oh boy, another thread calling obama a liberal socialist marxist with no proof or info to back it up....

    is there undeniable proof he from kenya too??

    looks like i'll be hittin the old dusty trail...
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    great points everyone! But i would say the issues with having Obama as president are deeper...such as his views! You cannot change the way he thinks.....he is not experienced enough to lead this nation! He sought out radicals in college. His own words....
    He is a marxist and his father was a marxist muslim. He looks up to his father. His middle name is Hussein! CMon!
    He doesnt have American Pride running through his blood! I dont see that passion and pride in him. I dont feel it in him. He doesnt put his hand on his heart for the Anthem! His views of big govt. dont work in this type of country...unless you want to fundamentally transform it! This country is not small enough, nor built for big govt., entitlement society from cradle to grave. This philosophy leads to a dependent society, which turns people more complacent and lazy. It kills the entrepreneurial spirit! The personal responsiblity factor is being taken away!
    He is the most divisive president i have ever known!
    He has totally blown a great opportunity to unite this country and show people a new way!
    His policies are total job killers and creates an atmosphere of uncertainty with everyone from top to bottom
    His energy policies are weak, lackluster and non existent! If so, they are too expensive
    His Health Care bill is a monstrosity! Too expensive.....too much costs....unfair....unconstitutional!
    His jobs bill.....is aimed at unions and payoffs to people he owes from the elections!
    Everything he does.....is to payoff someone or some big corp. that supported him!
    Thats all for now...i can go all night! He sucks!
    Kennedy and Clinton Democrats are considered BLUE DOG DEMS....thats ok.....but this liberal socialist, marxist.....is no good for this country! Enemies and radicals from around the world....have taken over the Democratic Party!
    ...
    Thank you for providing this excellent example of what is not reasonable, pointed debate with factual truths to defend them. I especially like the parts where you attempt to express opinion as fact.
    Good job.
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