To Conservatives, Tea Partiers On The Train...

Cosmo

Let's finally get some things clarified here...
I know that there are several bright, sharp and intelligent Conservatives that frequent the train (others... well...). I want to hear from all of you on this... what makes you angry about the current President, Administration, situation?
Example:
"I'm pissed off that we STILL have fucking Guantanamo open. That place is a breeding ground for future attacks on us... it is a recruitment tool for fucking Al Qaeda and all those other crazy fucks out there. It will turn a moderate more towards the side that wants to fuck us up.
Either, file charges against them, put them on trial and lock them up in Pelican Bay if they are found guilty... or let them go if they aren't supposed to be there and closed down the American Gulag. We are America, not the former Soviet Union... we should NOT adapt their tactics. Shut that shithole down."
...
And please, no vague and unsupported comment such as, "He is bringing down the country" because that kind of shit just reinforces the point that you are kind of a stupid fuck and need to go back to the Porch and argue which Eddie haircut is the sexiest.
If you are going to say he is bringing down the country... then, please explain HOW he is doing that and back that up with some evidence.
I know that some have got opinions based upon fact and evidence... I just haven't heard them, yet. So, please... enlighten me.
Thanx.

Byrnzie

It angers me that he's a Kenyan Muslim Marxist.

unsung

1. The Adminstration is anti-gun. Just because there hasn't been legislation yet doesn't mean they are pro-gun. Project Gunrunner and Fast and Furious were miserable failures that got Federal Agents killed. The Administration allowed the guns to slip past the border then claimed that 90% of the guns seized were from the US.

2. He signed the PATRIOT Act for another renewal.

3. An $800B+ stimulus package was supposed to get unemployment below 8% according to Obama, it didn't. We are very near a 2nd recession if you even believe we ever got out of the first (I don't) and now they want another $400B stimulus package. We will not be out of it until housing prices show growth and people get back to work.

4. We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan. We joined in on Libya and escalated things in Pakistan. Obama has grown the military industrial complex to record levels.

5. They stopped deportations of aliens with minor criminal offenses.

6. Obama is pro big banks. Goldman Sachs LOVES him.

7. TARP is a failure. The banks are sitting on trillions but are not lending.

8. He has allowed the Federal Reserve to become the three headed monster.

That's all for now, I'm busy.

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I think young Eddie's long hair was best.

Smellyman

unsung wrote:

1. The Adminstration is anti-gun. Just because there hasn't been legislation yet doesn't mean they are pro-gun. Project Gunrunner and Fast and Furious were miserable failures that got Federal Agents killed. The Administration allowed the guns to slip past the border then claimed that 90% of the guns seized were from the US.

2. He signed the PATRIOT Act for another renewal.

3. An $800B+ stimulus package was supposed to get unemployment below 8% according to Obama, it didn't. We are very near a 2nd recession if you even believe we ever got out of the first (I don't) and now they want another $400B stimulus package. We will not be out of it until housing prices show growth and people get back to work.

4. We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan. We joined in on Libya and escalated things in Pakistan. Obama has grown the military industrial complex to record levels.

5. They stopped deportations of aliens with minor criminal offenses.

6. Obama is pro big banks. Goldman Sachs LOVES him.

7. TARP is a failure. The banks are sitting on trillions but are not lending.

8. He has allowed the Federal Reserve to become the three headed monster.

That's all for now, I'm busy.

Crikey. You better hope Ron Paul wins. any other will be way worse than Obama in all of the above other than your unfounded anti-gun claim.

gimmesometruth27

i think people believe that any president not in the nra is anti-gun...

Byrnzie

unsung wrote:

5. They stopped deportations of aliens with minor criminal offenses.

I'm interested to know why you think this is a bad thing?

If someone is, say, cautioned for a minor driving offense, then should they be deported?

mikepegg44

for me it isnt so much about what he has done, more about what he hasn't done that he said he would.

cut the deficits in half in first term...nope...at record levels.

keep unemployment under 8% ...nope

Close Gitmo...nope

End the wars...nope

Patriot act...nope

Health insurance reform...should just call it health insurance companies new awesome moneymaker that will do nothing to change the rising healthcare costs even though we had a super majority in the senate and a majority in the house.

using falsehoods and misleading statements to prove his points... Yep

Use of class warfare in just about every speech it seems.
I will say I was encouraged by a lot of his speech tonight...talking about tax code reform, changing international trade levels, medicare and medicaid chagnes...He finally looked like a president to me. Not a big fan of everything, but if I have to continually be told about warren's tax rate... THE FUCKER GETS HIS INCOME THROUGH MOSTLY CAPITAL GAINS...go ahead and raise the long term capital gains tax and watch what happens...I love how he talks about it like old warren is waiting on a paycheck with all his withholdings removed...fucking joke. Warren...take a salary see if you like your tax rate...


all of these things changed...my opinion of the man...I admit I was caught up in the hype...thought he really could be different, but it seems he wasn't quite ready to own the country and its problems and that has come across as weak to me...maybe tonight is a change in that...
spend spend spend....hopefully he is serious about his talk tonight, I am interested to see where he can go with it

unsung

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i think people believe that any president not in the nra is anti-gun...

I am VERY pro-gun and I believe the NRA is mostly a joke. Gun Owners of America (GOA) has more credibility to me.

unsung

Smellyman wrote:

unsung wrote:

1. The Adminstration is anti-gun. Just because there hasn't been legislation yet doesn't mean they are pro-gun. Project Gunrunner and Fast and Furious were miserable failures that got Federal Agents killed. The Administration allowed the guns to slip past the border then claimed that 90% of the guns seized were from the US.

2. He signed the PATRIOT Act for another renewal.

3. An $800B+ stimulus package was supposed to get unemployment below 8% according to Obama, it didn't. We are very near a 2nd recession if you even believe we ever got out of the first (I don't) and now they want another $400B stimulus package. We will not be out of it until housing prices show growth and people get back to work.

4. We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan. We joined in on Libya and escalated things in Pakistan. Obama has grown the military industrial complex to record levels.

5. They stopped deportations of aliens with minor criminal offenses.

6. Obama is pro big banks. Goldman Sachs LOVES him.

7. TARP is a failure. The banks are sitting on trillions but are not lending.

8. He has allowed the Federal Reserve to become the three headed monster.

That's all for now, I'm busy.

Crikey. You better hope Ron Paul wins. any other will be way worse than Obama in all of the above other than your unfounded anti-gun claim.

Have you read about Gunrunner and the cover up that is going on? Do you not know of the things that Obama voted for when he was an Illinois State Senator? Did his opinion change overnight? The only reason that he has been mostly quiet is because any gun control legislation would not pass the House.

unsung

Byrnzie wrote:

unsung wrote:

5. They stopped deportations of aliens with minor criminal offenses.

I'm interested to know why you think this is a bad thing?

If someone is, say, cautioned for a minor driving offense, then should they be deported?

I don't believe an illegal alien should be given a drivers license to begin with. I don't believe in any use of taxpayer dollars for any type of assistance for an illegal alien. I don't believe in things like the DREAM Act that would give them tuition breaks, in most cases funded by the taxpayer. I don't believe in Sanctuary Cities. I'd throw CEO's in prison for hiring them. I do not believe in amnesty. I'd work to end the birthright amendment.

All that being said I'd make it easier for those legal immigrants that want to become citizens, and I would make it as painfully hard as I possibly could for those that are illegal.

FiveB247x

I think we should stop blaming and throwing around leading candidates names and party leaders...how bout we look at society and ourselves for the downfall of the society around us?

brianlux

I'm neither conservative nor Tea Party but right now I'm disappointed that Obama has let us down on the environment.

What surprises me here though is so many posts about gun issues. This issue is that important... really? The climate is changing in ways that are now at the very least somewhat irreversable, species are dying off at a rate never seen in human history, our oceans are acidifying, over a billion people on this planet went hungry today (and that number will rise with climate change), almost all if not all the cheap and easy to extract oil on the planet is gone and we're puching holes in dangerous places and chewing up giant chunks of North America to extract low grade tar sand oil in an effort to stave off the inevitable (no more cheap energy), the economy of many countries around the world have fallen into a heap of rubble, our topsoil is eroding, our ancient deep aquifers are drying up and GUNS are a big issue with this administration? What, so we can fucking shot ourselves in the head when things really go to worms?

I'm seething inside as I write this and that is not right. We're all part a the PJ community here. I mean no disrespect to anyone. But honest to God, I just don't get it. Sorry... :(

Who Princess

unsung wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

unsung wrote:

5. They stopped deportations of aliens with minor criminal offenses.

I'm interested to know why you think this is a bad thing?

If someone is, say, cautioned for a minor driving offense, then should they be deported?

I don't believe an illegal alien should be given a drivers license to begin with. I don't believe in any use of taxpayer dollars for any type of assistance for an illegal alien. I don't believe in things like the DREAM Act that would give them tuition breaks, in most cases funded by the taxpayer. I don't believe in Sanctuary Cities. I'd throw CEO's in prison for hiring them. I do not believe in amnesty. I'd work to end the birthright amendment.

All that being said I'd make it easier for those legal immigrants that want to become citizens, and I would make it as painfully hard as I possibly could for those that are illegal.

Just want to point out that many people who are aliens are in the U.S. legally. They are resident aliens. They have all their immigration paperwork in order so that they work and live here. So they will be likely to have driver's licenses, etc. They just aren't U.S. citizens, either because they haven't lived here long enough to apply for citizenship or because they expect to eventually return to their own countries.

polaris_x

brianlux wrote:

I'm neither conservative nor Tea Party but right now I'm disappointed that Obama has let us down on the environment.

yup ... the approval of that pipeline is something he will always be tagged with ...

having said that - it's pretty obvious that his ultimate failure is capitulating to the republican party and their agenda for america ...

JonnyPistachio

brianlux wrote:

I'm neither conservative nor Tea Party but right now I'm disappointed that Obama has let us down on the environment.

What surprises me here though is so many posts about gun issues. This issue is that important... really? The climate is changing in ways that are now at the very least somewhat irreversable, species are dying off at a rate never seen in human history, our oceans are acidifying, over a billion people on this planet went hungry today (and that number will rise with climate change), almost all if not all the cheap and easy to extract oil on the planet is gone and we're puching holes in dangerous places and chewing up giant chunks of North America to extract low grade tar sand oil in an effort to stave off the inevitable (no more cheap energy), the economy of many countries around the world have fallen into a heap of rubble, our topsoil is eroding, our ancient deep aquifers are drying up and GUNS are a big issue with this administration? What, so we can fucking shot ourselves in the head when things really go to worms?

I'm seething inside as I write this and that is not right. We're all part a the PJ community here. I mean no disrespect to anyone. But honest to God, I just don't get it. Sorry... :(

Good post man.. I agree.
I was happy to hear about some of Obama's plans for renewable energy, but I think we should be doing more. Peak oil, like you said the other day, should be a major concern.

Jason P

The simple fact is that Gitmo isn't closing anytime soon. Obama's not going to close it nor will any other future president.

Does anyone think that a political party wants to be responsible for taking people that have been held for years without constitutional rights and throw them into our legal system??? It would be a three-ring media circus and the first person that gets off on a technicality (and I'm sure there are a shitload to go after), it would spell doom for the politician & party responsible.

The only candidate that would go after closing Gitmo has an AMT thread with "UN-ELECTABLE" in the title. So I guess we should not try to fool ourselves.

Love it or hate it, Gitmo and the Patriot Act are here to stay.

mickeyrat

I want to know when the Repubs are get to the business at hand which is working FOR this country and not just working against The Pres and Dems.

DO YOUR GD JOBS!!!!!!!!

mikepegg44

mickeyrat wrote:

I want to know when the Repubs are get to the business at hand which is working FOR this country and not just working against The Pres and Dems.

DO YOUR GD JOBS!!!!!!!!

some consider working against the democrats as working for the country

Jason P

Here is what makes me angry about the current state of politics:

Politicians don't focus on using their best judgement to make decisions. Instead, the focus on catering to groups that get them re-elected and avoid making any drastic decisions for fear of becoming unpopular. Thus, we are stuck in a retarded cycle that I don't see a clear way out of.

The question that I've been asking myself lately is, "Why the hell should I even care anymore?"

I (hopefully) have another 5-6 decades left on this rock. Why should I spend that time focusing on politics? I've noticed that everyone that follows politics closely shares a common trait ... the are ALWAYS angry about something. The fact of the matter is, why should we always be angry?

Most of the threads on this board are essentially "Hey, Can You Believe What ______ Did???" And then we all gripe about it depending what side of the issue we are on. But we are not really changing anything, so why bother with it?

I'm still following politics, but I hope to break free by weening myself off over the next year. My current strategy is to close off any hope that there is a candidate that will turn this country around. Instead, I will focus on their shenanigans and develop a strategy that shields me from the impact of their decisions.

I'll end this rant with a quote I overheard.

"If it doesn't make you happy, or make you money…then let it go!”

mickeyrat

mikepegg44 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

I want to know when the Repubs are get to the business at hand which is working FOR this country and not just working against The Pres and Dems.

DO YOUR GD JOBS!!!!!!!!

some consider working against the democrats as working for the country

working for their re-election maybe. But continueing to block any idea proposed by the other "side" and putting nothing forth into action from your own party isnt working for the country. At least in my independent opinion.