To Conservatives, Tea Partiers On The Train...
Cosmo
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Let's finally get some things clarified here...
I know that there are several bright, sharp and intelligent Conservatives that frequent the train (others... well...). I want to hear from all of you on this... what makes you angry about the current President, Administration, situation?
Example:
"I'm pissed off that we STILL have fucking Guantanamo open. That place is a breeding ground for future attacks on us... it is a recruitment tool for fucking Al Qaeda and all those other crazy fucks out there. It will turn a moderate more towards the side that wants to fuck us up.
Either, file charges against them, put them on trial and lock them up in Pelican Bay if they are found guilty... or let them go if they aren't supposed to be there and closed down the American Gulag. We are America, not the former Soviet Union... we should NOT adapt their tactics. Shut that shithole down."
...
And please, no vague and unsupported comment such as, "He is bringing down the country" because that kind of shit just reinforces the point that you are kind of a stupid fuck and need to go back to the Porch and argue which Eddie haircut is the sexiest.
If you are going to say he is bringing down the country... then, please explain HOW he is doing that and back that up with some evidence.
I know that some have got opinions based upon fact and evidence... I just haven't heard them, yet. So, please... enlighten me.
Thanx.
I know that there are several bright, sharp and intelligent Conservatives that frequent the train (others... well...). I want to hear from all of you on this... what makes you angry about the current President, Administration, situation?
Example:
"I'm pissed off that we STILL have fucking Guantanamo open. That place is a breeding ground for future attacks on us... it is a recruitment tool for fucking Al Qaeda and all those other crazy fucks out there. It will turn a moderate more towards the side that wants to fuck us up.
Either, file charges against them, put them on trial and lock them up in Pelican Bay if they are found guilty... or let them go if they aren't supposed to be there and closed down the American Gulag. We are America, not the former Soviet Union... we should NOT adapt their tactics. Shut that shithole down."
...
And please, no vague and unsupported comment such as, "He is bringing down the country" because that kind of shit just reinforces the point that you are kind of a stupid fuck and need to go back to the Porch and argue which Eddie haircut is the sexiest.
If you are going to say he is bringing down the country... then, please explain HOW he is doing that and back that up with some evidence.
I know that some have got opinions based upon fact and evidence... I just haven't heard them, yet. So, please... enlighten me.
Thanx.
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2. He signed the PATRIOT Act for another renewal.
3. An $800B+ stimulus package was supposed to get unemployment below 8% according to Obama, it didn't. We are very near a 2nd recession if you even believe we ever got out of the first (I don't) and now they want another $400B stimulus package. We will not be out of it until housing prices show growth and people get back to work.
4. We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan. We joined in on Libya and escalated things in Pakistan. Obama has grown the military industrial complex to record levels.
5. They stopped deportations of aliens with minor criminal offenses.
6. Obama is pro big banks. Goldman Sachs LOVES him.
7. TARP is a failure. The banks are sitting on trillions but are not lending.
8. He has allowed the Federal Reserve to become the three headed monster.
That's all for now, I'm busy.
Crikey. You better hope Ron Paul wins. any other will be way worse than Obama in all of the above other than your unfounded anti-gun claim.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm interested to know why you think this is a bad thing?
If someone is, say, cautioned for a minor driving offense, then should they be deported?
cut the deficits in half in first term...nope...at record levels.
keep unemployment under 8% ...nope
Close Gitmo...nope
End the wars...nope
Patriot act...nope
Health insurance reform...should just call it health insurance companies new awesome moneymaker that will do nothing to change the rising healthcare costs even though we had a super majority in the senate and a majority in the house.
using falsehoods and misleading statements to prove his points... Yep
Use of class warfare in just about every speech it seems.
I will say I was encouraged by a lot of his speech tonight...talking about tax code reform, changing international trade levels, medicare and medicaid chagnes...He finally looked like a president to me. Not a big fan of everything, but if I have to continually be told about warren's tax rate... THE FUCKER GETS HIS INCOME THROUGH MOSTLY CAPITAL GAINS...go ahead and raise the long term capital gains tax and watch what happens...I love how he talks about it like old warren is waiting on a paycheck with all his withholdings removed...fucking joke. Warren...take a salary see if you like your tax rate...
all of these things changed...my opinion of the man...I admit I was caught up in the hype...thought he really could be different, but it seems he wasn't quite ready to own the country and its problems and that has come across as weak to me...maybe tonight is a change in that...
spend spend spend....hopefully he is serious about his talk tonight, I am interested to see where he can go with it
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I am VERY pro-gun and I believe the NRA is mostly a joke. Gun Owners of America (GOA) has more credibility to me.
Have you read about Gunrunner and the cover up that is going on? Do you not know of the things that Obama voted for when he was an Illinois State Senator? Did his opinion change overnight? The only reason that he has been mostly quiet is because any gun control legislation would not pass the House.
I don't believe an illegal alien should be given a drivers license to begin with. I don't believe in any use of taxpayer dollars for any type of assistance for an illegal alien. I don't believe in things like the DREAM Act that would give them tuition breaks, in most cases funded by the taxpayer. I don't believe in Sanctuary Cities. I'd throw CEO's in prison for hiring them. I do not believe in amnesty. I'd work to end the birthright amendment.
All that being said I'd make it easier for those legal immigrants that want to become citizens, and I would make it as painfully hard as I possibly could for those that are illegal.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
What surprises me here though is so many posts about gun issues. This issue is that important... really? The climate is changing in ways that are now at the very least somewhat irreversable, species are dying off at a rate never seen in human history, our oceans are acidifying, over a billion people on this planet went hungry today (and that number will rise with climate change), almost all if not all the cheap and easy to extract oil on the planet is gone and we're puching holes in dangerous places and chewing up giant chunks of North America to extract low grade tar sand oil in an effort to stave off the inevitable (no more cheap energy), the economy of many countries around the world have fallen into a heap of rubble, our topsoil is eroding, our ancient deep aquifers are drying up and GUNS are a big issue with this administration? What, so we can fucking shot ourselves in the head when things really go to worms?
I'm seething inside as I write this and that is not right. We're all part a the PJ community here. I mean no disrespect to anyone. But honest to God, I just don't get it. Sorry... :(
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
yup ... the approval of that pipeline is something he will always be tagged with ...
having said that - it's pretty obvious that his ultimate failure is capitulating to the republican party and their agenda for america ...
Good post man.. I agree.
I was happy to hear about some of Obama's plans for renewable energy, but I think we should be doing more. Peak oil, like you said the other day, should be a major concern.
Does anyone think that a political party wants to be responsible for taking people that have been held for years without constitutional rights and throw them into our legal system??? It would be a three-ring media circus and the first person that gets off on a technicality (and I'm sure there are a shitload to go after), it would spell doom for the politician & party responsible.
The only candidate that would go after closing Gitmo has an AMT thread with "UN-ELECTABLE" in the title. So I guess we should not try to fool ourselves.
Love it or hate it, Gitmo and the Patriot Act are here to stay.
DO YOUR GD JOBS!!!!!!!!
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some consider working against the democrats as working for the country
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Politicians don't focus on using their best judgement to make decisions. Instead, the focus on catering to groups that get them re-elected and avoid making any drastic decisions for fear of becoming unpopular. Thus, we are stuck in a retarded cycle that I don't see a clear way out of.
The question that I've been asking myself lately is, "Why the hell should I even care anymore?"
I (hopefully) have another 5-6 decades left on this rock. Why should I spend that time focusing on politics? I've noticed that everyone that follows politics closely shares a common trait ... the are ALWAYS angry about something. The fact of the matter is, why should we always be angry?
Most of the threads on this board are essentially "Hey, Can You Believe What ______ Did???" And then we all gripe about it depending what side of the issue we are on. But we are not really changing anything, so why bother with it?
I'm still following politics, but I hope to break free by weening myself off over the next year. My current strategy is to close off any hope that there is a candidate that will turn this country around. Instead, I will focus on their shenanigans and develop a strategy that shields me from the impact of their decisions.
I'll end this rant with a quote I overheard.
"If it doesn't make you happy, or make you money…then let it go!”
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Good post, Jason P. Politics does seem like "business as usual" much of the time. And yes, there is a lot of anger stirred up by the political landscape. And it does make a lot of sense to step back from it all now and then and remember there is more to life than than political conflict- stop and look at what is good about life.
I just hope we don't all throw our hands up and stop caring about the health of our planet. Without a healthy planet to live on, there would be no politics. But of course worrying about the environment 24/7 doesn't allow us time to enjoy what good there is in the world either and your post reminds me I need to do this more often. Thank you for that!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
term limits. No one would care about re-election if you could only get elected once
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
•switched his position on closing down Guantanemo for one.
•switched his position on trying those held there in court to trying them at military tribunals including people who have been held indefinitely with no real charges being made against them.
•He basically spoke out of both sides of his mouth regarding going after NAFTA/not going after NAFTA during his campaign for President.
•Instead of scaling back on our interventionist policy he has increased it by dedicating US resources to the undeclared war in Libya. Regardless of how the White House tries to spin it, our involvement is an act of war.
•He didn't follow the constitution and the law of the land in obtaining approval from Congress before or after the time period allowed by the War Powers Act and he continues to say he has done nothing wrong there when Senator Obama has statements out there that directly contradict what President Obama is now currently saying.
•He supports the belief that the President should be able to have anyone detained at his order, who is on American soil, including the citizens, indefinitely without a trial or charges being made against them simply if someone deems them a terrorist. This is very much like how the New Salem witch trials began, but on a federal level and sounds like something Bush would stump for; not a democrat who is supposed to be concerned about our civil liberties
•He continues and expands on many of Bush's terrible policies and decisions.
•When a senator, he was very much against raising the debt ceiling, even voted against it. Now he is very much for raising the debt ceiling
He essentially talks out of both sides of his mouth...so I suppose he is an excellent politician to have made it so far.
"What kind of country would this be if this Chamber had voted down Social Security or Medicare just because it violated some rigid idea about what government could or could not do?"
um...I might be off base, but is he calling the constitution a rigid idea about what government could or could not do? and then saying it should be ignored in some cases? I hope I am interpreting this wrong. But I seem to be stuck on that idea today. Any help on another interpretation?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Just to clarify this one topic, The Constitution does not address this issue. If it does, then, please, direct me to section that defines it. Our Constitution was written to be slightly vague in order to growth as the nation grew and those of us living in 2011 do not have to rigidly adhere to conditions that existed in 1776. That is the beauty of it and points out the solid, reasoned foresight of our nation's founders.
The rigid idea is the idea that there is something in the Constitution that says 'Thou Shalt' or 'Thou Shalt NOT' in it. That rigid idea exists in the minds of people who believe they think they know what governement can and cannot do.
Hail, Hail!!!
One way to read it is to be openminded about ideas.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
In regards to the environment, I'm just going to take personal responsibility and do what I can to help. Luckily for me, my job allows me to make decisions that can make a positive impact. I hope others decide to do the same and not wait for a politician in shining armor to do it for us.
ANYBODY here illegaly should be deported.
Godfather.
that is what I was hoping for...had constitution on the brain...hadn't thought of it like that
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan