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CobbelstoneCobbelstone Posts: 35
edited May 2008 in The Porch
Not that this message would ever fall into the right hands, but I have some opinions on T-shirts for the upcoming tour.

T-shirts are a part of the arena rock experience, and have been for decades, yet most bands' merch people still fail to get it right, especially pearl jam.

1) what is with the "girls" tees? Honestly, the "XL" fits a small third grader. For the 2003 tour I wore a size 8-10 clothes, and if I were to buy a women's t-shirt at say, the GAP, a medium would have been the perfect size. But I bought an "XL" girls tee at one of the shows, and I never wore it- I could barely get it on, it was so skin tight it cut off my circulation around my arms. Let's get real, why do "girls" tees have to be so tiny? We're not buying them because they're smaller, we're buying them because they're CUT differently.

2) since we are thus relegated to oddly fitting men's tshirts, can we at least get some decent fabric? that thick tshirt cotton that shrinks up and gets all weird is an artifact of the 80s. We have better fiber technology now. I give props to the foo fighters- at their show this year I got a great tshirt with this nice soft, thinner cotton. It's like what the girls tees are usually made of, but it's a "co-ed" shirt. The tag says Bay Island sportswear. Very nice, it looks cool- unlike all my pearl jam concert tees that look like I borrowed them from an overweight mom on vacation in disneyland. It's not very rock n roll.

that is all.
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    FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Pearl Jam's tour shirts have been crappy quality since 2004. I can still wear my Riot Act shirt from 2003. It was a Hanes T Shirt and still looks new and fits perfectly. From 2004 on, I can't wear any of them. The thin, cheap fabric shrinks so much. I didn't even bother buying one in 2006 or in Chicago last year.
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    U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    i happen to like girls in tight t-shirts :D:D

    but i do feel your pain, I'm a big guy and i bought a t from the vote for change tour,wore it once and had to sell it on eBay because it was made for an anorexic Chinese midget (XXL ? i don't fucking think so)
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    ovechkin8ovechkin8 Posts: 491
    the new soft style shirts are awesome. i'm 6' 190 (not exactly a small guy) and an L fits me fine....if you can't squeeze into an xl, it means you are fat. that is your problem, not the band's, their management's or their merch department's. it is a problem you share with most americans and you should not be looking to put the blame on outside sources.
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    LeatherMosquitoManLeatherMosquitoMan Posts: 4,034
    ovechkin8 wrote:
    the new soft style shirts are awesome. i'm 6' 190 (not exactly a small guy) and an L fits me fine....if you can't squeeze into an xl, it means you are fat. that is your problem, not the band's, their management's or their merch department's. it is a problem you share with most americans and you should not be looking to put the blame on outside sources.

    You don't have to be fat to be a 'big guy'. Would you call Dennis Rodman fat? He wouldn't fit into an XL.
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    CobbelstoneCobbelstone Posts: 35
    ovechkin8 wrote:
    the new soft style shirts are awesome. i'm 6' 190 (not exactly a small guy) and an L fits me fine....if you can't squeeze into an xl, it means you are fat. that is your problem, not the band's, their management's or their merch department's. it is a problem you share with most americans and you should not be looking to put the blame on outside sources.

    not a men's XL, read the post. the women's tees aren't normal. XL's should fit fat people, that's why they're called "XL." XLs should not be too small for a medium sized, tight-bodied woman. Have you held up one of those girls shirts? they are literally for small children all around. they are too short and everything.

    if they are using the soft stuff now that's good. I haven't bought a shirt since 03 since I was so disappointed in the thick fabric.
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    CobbelstoneCobbelstone Posts: 35
    LeatherMosquitoMan wrote:
    You don't have to be fat to be a 'big guy'. Would you call Dennis Rodman fat? He wouldn't fit into an XL.

    Totally agree. And the same goes for women.
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    ovechkin8ovechkin8 Posts: 491
    ^wasn't reffering to you.

    it was a general complaint on the bitching over the merchandise


    lose weight, be saved
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    CobbelstoneCobbelstone Posts: 35
    ovechkin8 wrote:
    ^wasn't reffering to you.

    it was a general complaint on the bitching over the merchandise


    lose weight, be saved

    read what was said about denis rodman.

    (also, as an aside, some people might look "fat" and you would say they need to lose weight, but you don't know anything about them. there *are* conditions that make people store an inordinant amount of fat. I look fat now due to something I have no control over, but I've never had *any* bad habits, and am infact much fitter than the average person-if I weren't fit, I would be enormous. It hurts me that people like you would just tell me to "lose weight," because you are making assumptions based on appearence without knowing anything about the person and their individual biology. I find "lose weight be saved" to be a somewhat ignorant and offensive comment. this is not what this thread is about but it is a hurtful comment that needs to be responded to).
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    Stephen FlowStephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    I think this tour I will probably just break down and buy a hoodie because the material in the shirts just suck.
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    FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    ovechkin8 wrote:
    the new soft style shirts are awesome. i'm 6' 190 (not exactly a small guy) and an L fits me fine....if you can't squeeze into an xl, it means you are fat. that is your problem, not the band's, their management's or their merch department's. it is a problem you share with most americans and you should not be looking to put the blame on outside sources.


    I am 5' 9" and 160 lbs and I can't wear any of the XL shirts I bought in 2004 and 2005. They shrank down to kid's sizes and were small to begin with. They changed their supplier for shirts in 2004 and the quality has sucked ever since.
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    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
    ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
    KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
    Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
    PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
    OKC-11/16/13
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    TUL-10/8/14
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    ovechkin8ovechkin8 Posts: 491
    dennis rodman is also 6'8. most of the bitchers on this board are probably in the 5'7-6'2 range. if those guys can't fit into a men's xl, they are fat.....that's all there is to it.
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    HorosHoros Posts: 4,518
    From my experience buying 'girls" tees they are just what they're discribed as, 'girls' t-shirts, they certainly aren't for women because there is no room in them for breasts.
    #FHP
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    LeatherMosquitoManLeatherMosquitoMan Posts: 4,034
    ovechkin8 wrote:
    dennis rodman is also 6'8. most of the bitchers on this board are probably in the 5'7-6'2 range. if those guys can't fit into a men's xl, they are fat.....that's all there is to it.

    Naivety is your strong suit eh?
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    FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    ovechkin8 wrote:
    dennis rodman is also 6'8. most of the bitchers on this board are probably in the 5'7-6'2 range. if those guys can't fit into a men's xl, they are fat.....that's all there is to it.


    Fitting into them initially is not the problem. Fitting into them after one or two washing is.
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    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
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    ovechkin8ovechkin8 Posts: 491
    i don't know how you can call me naive. i was fat in 03, i weighed about 210-220, xl fit me fine. i'm not so fat now(190), and an l looks great on me...these shirts fit the same way every other soft shirt fits. if your shit is shrinking in the wash, that's another story completely...i haven't had that problem. all my shit from the 04 tour on fits me fine.
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    edvedderrocksedvedderrocks Posts: 1,001
    Cobbelstone wrote:
    what is with the "girls" tees? Honestly, the "XL" fits a small third grader. why do "girls" tees have to be so tiny? We're not buying them because they're smaller, we're buying them because they're CUT differently.


    Absolutely agree! The "girls" cut is perfect, but needs to be larger. The small could fit my 5 year old! The men's cut is no good & the material sucks.

    And no, we don't need to lose weight. Some of us have boobs! ( & they are not fitting in a girls cut tee!)
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    surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    I have never had any problems with any of the t shirts womens or mens, they fit just fine, and if yours are shrinking wash them on a lower temp.
    Astoria 20/04/06, Leeds 25/08/06, Prague 22/09/06, Wembley 18/06/07,
    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
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    TransplantedNewfTransplantedNewf Posts: 805
    The organic cotton t's are MUCH better than the old ones. Softer, nicer fitting, just overall better. The girls xl i bought in 06 smooshes my boobs together and forms a lovely uniboob. I ended up buying a men's meduim that's too long but fits my chest better.
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    ChazzChazz Somerset, UK Posts: 1,093
    ovechkin8 wrote:
    i don't know how you can call me naive. i was fat in 03, i weighed about 210-220, xl fit me fine. i'm not so fat now(190), and an l looks great on me...these shirts fit the same way every other soft shirt fits. if your shit is shrinking in the wash, that's another story completely...i haven't had that problem. all my shit from the 04 tour on fits me fine.

    The original post was about the girls T's, although the cut is great the sizing IS too small on them. I wear English size 10-12 and the only size that fits me is XL, I would buy a M anywhere else....so its not about whether people are too fat or not.

    And to anyone having problems with shrinking - make sure you never tumble dry, always dry them 'naturally' (unless you want a cool t-shirt for your Barbie to wear :o )
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    surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    my_small_self wrote:
    The original post was about the girls T's, although the cut is great the sizing IS too small on them. I wear English size 10-12 and the only size that fits me is XL, I would buy a M anywhere else....so its not about whether people are too fat or not

    I wear an English 10 & the small fits me fine!
    Astoria 20/04/06, Leeds 25/08/06, Prague 22/09/06, Wembley 18/06/07,
    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
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    CobbelstoneCobbelstone Posts: 35
    edvedderrocks wrote:
    Absolutely agree! The "girls" cut is perfect, but needs to be larger. The small could fit my 5 year old! The men's cut is no good & the material sucks.

    And no, we don't need to lose weight. Some of us have boobs! ( & they are not fitting in a girls cut tee!)

    I don't have much in the boobs department, but I have huge arms and back and just a very thick torso. I'm a bit flabbier these days, but in the past even when I *weighed* less I was jacked and just couldn't get into those tiny things. Just looking at them, they look like childrens clothes.
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    ChazzChazz Somerset, UK Posts: 1,093
    surfanddestroy wrote:
    I wear an English 10 & the small fits me fine!

    That's weird! I've always bought XL's to fit at shows and through 10C - you must be super trim :)
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    London, Copenhagen 07
    MSG 08
    SBE, Manchester, London 09
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    surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    my_small_self wrote:
    That's weird! I've always bought XL's to fit at shows and through 10C - you must be super trim :)

    Nah it's just the lack of boobs :o
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    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
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    TransplantedNewfTransplantedNewf Posts: 805
    Cobbelstone wrote:
    Just looking at them, they look like childrens clothes.

    Haha, there are stores in the mall that i refuse to go into because i was in there once and i couldn't figure out where the women's section ended and the girls section began! :eek:
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    NotoriousIMPNotoriousIMP Posts: 141
    Im 6-3 245 (not fat) - cant fit into anything that they sell at shows. 10c tees xxl fit fine.
    What I wanna know is why arent there any "show specific" tees anymore??
    I like the ones that say ie: " pearl jam Live @ msg 6/24/08" etc... I have one from randalls island in 96 that has that on the back.
    96' Randalls island II
    98' NJ, MSG II
    00' Jones Beach I,II,III
    03' Nassau, MSG I, II
    05' Montreal, Ottawa, Borgata II
    06' NJ I, II
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    U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    ovechkin8 wrote:
    the new soft style shirts are awesome. i'm 6' 190 (not exactly a small guy) and an L fits me fine....if you can't squeeze into an xl, it means you are fat. that is your problem, not the band's, their management's or their merch department's. it is a problem you share with most americans and you should not be looking to put the blame on outside sources.


    I'm built like a football player not a chess champ so while i could stand to loose a few pounds it wouldn't make a difference in the shirt.

    i guess you pigeon chested pencil necks with your girlie arms have no problems with the current sizing.
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    U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    Krisdababe wrote:
    The girls xl i bought in 06 smooshes my boobs together and forms a lovely uniboob.




    Homer Simpson voice "mmmmmmmmmmm,uniboob!!!"
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    ovechkin8ovechkin8 Posts: 491
    lol @ pigeon chested pencil neck

    if only that were the case...i could move to williamsburg and wear tight jeans
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    blueeyedevilblueeyedevil Posts: 173
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    I'm built like a football player not a chess champ so while i could stand to loose a few pounds it wouldn't make a difference in the shirt.

    i guess you pigeon chested pencil necks with your girlie arms have no problems with the current sizing.

    Post of the morning right there! LOL!

    This has been a topic since '04, and yes, the shirts are about a size smaller than pre-VFC shirts. I'm 5'-10", 170 lbs., and they are the only concert tees I have ever bought were a XL fits so tight. I've bought XXL on the last tour to compensate, but although the fit works, they are still tissue thin.

    Not a major problem, but worth discussion. Too bad the unoffical "PJ Police" have to get involved in every conversation that doesn't worship the band.

    I've said it before, and it's worth repeating:

    The band doesn't make the merchandise, they just sell it. Speaking up about your issues with a garment is NOT a dis to the band. If you like the new shirts, feel free to praise them. But, don't tell other people they are "fat" because of an issue that has been discussed for the last 4 years. I believe it's why some shirts have size references in the "Goods" section now.
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    edvedderrocksedvedderrocks Posts: 1,001
    NotoriousIMP wrote:
    What I wanna know is why arent there any "show specific" tees anymore??
    I like the ones that say ie: " pearl jam Live @ msg 6/24/08" etc... I have one from randalls island in 96 that has that on the back.

    Most of the women's concert tee's I have don't even have the name of the tour, list of city's, anything....just the band name on the front. Could probably buy these anywhere...

    would love a specific show on a tee (the girls ones too!) or at leat the tour name & year would be nice for the girls!
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