ATTN GIMME SOME TRUTH!! If you take a close look at my posts i have never called Obama a socialist, marxist, radical or any particular personal attack! I am very civil and I do seek the truth also! I have respect for Obama even though i disagree with him completely on policy and leadership! I have never seen a lack of leadership like this! If Pearl Jam would walk the walk that they talked in the past.....they would criticize someone they voted for! THAT WOULD SAY SOMETHING! That would be conviction! If they were TRULY for THE PEOPLE they would criticize Obama publicly about many things that he is failing us on! That would show me that Pearl Jam is for REAL! That would show me they are party neutral and its all about the principles ....not the partys! Thats what PJ needs to do! Be FOR REAL! Show us they can drop their pride!
They should criticize the expanded war efforts in Libya, Afganistan, Iraq and other areas. They should publicly critcize the lack of leadership in enviromental efforts. They should publicly criticize the lack of leadership in the oil spill efforts. They should criticize the the growth of the federal govt..
Also, PJ could play a concert for our troops! They should also condemn conspiracy theories that weaken our country! They should also speak positively to others around the world about us! They should believe that we are part of the solution....not the problem!
It would be nice to know that they are on our side ....worldwide! It would be nice to know that they can be for real....and show us that its about us....not the govt. or the DEM. party!
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
ATTN GIMME SOME TRUTH!! If you take a close look at my posts i have never called Obama a socialist, marxist, radical or any particular personal attack! I am very civil and I do seek the truth also! I have respect for Obama even though i disagree with him completely on policy and leadership! I have never seen a lack of leadership like this! If Pearl Jam would walk the walk that they talked in the past.....they would criticize someone they voted for! THAT WOULD SAY SOMETHING! That would be conviction! If they were TRULY for THE PEOPLE they would criticize Obama publicly about many things that he is failing us on! That would show me that Pearl Jam is for REAL! That would show me they are party neutral and its all about the principles ....not the partys! Thats what PJ needs to do! Be FOR REAL! Show us they can drop their pride!
They should criticize the expanded war efforts in Libya, Afganistan, Iraq and other areas. They should publicly critcize the lack of leadership in enviromental efforts. They should publicly criticize the lack of leadership in the oil spill efforts. They should criticize the the growth of the federal govt..
Also, PJ could play a concert for our troops! They should also condemn conspiracy theories that weaken our country! They should also speak positively to others around the world about us! They should believe that we are part of the solution....not the problem!
It would be nice to know that they are on our side ....worldwide! It would be nice to know that they can be for real....and show us that its about us....not the govt. or the DEM. party!
why should pearl jam denounce socialism when clearly socialism is not a threat and will never happen in this country? that would be like asking them to prematurely denounce the hague for prosecuting george w bush, which also will never happen. they are going to say and do what they want to say and do and nothing we say on here is going to change their beliefs. i think that this year is about them and they are not concerned about what obama is doing. because really, talking about it does nothing. they are about to release a movie and do you think they really want to piss off a lot of people before that comes out? ed played no war here in st louis in july, so he is still speaking out. i am against action in libya and have denounced obama on many occasions here over expanding the wars, giving in and not fighting for universal single payer health care, blanket support of israel at the un, weakening the epa, and iam sick to death of hearing him give a speech promising to do things that he has no intention of doing.. he is spineless and weak. he has sold out his base. but he has not accomplished what he really wanted to do because the tea party hijacked gop will not allow him to do anything. he can't just create laws and issue executive orders at will. there is a process for passing legislation. for awhile there last year he only got 1 vote from one republican on a lot of the legislation he wanted passed. he ended up getting a few more on the health care bill, but that was because the gop people had to break party rank to save their own careers. the stalling and filibustering in the senate and unwillingness to agree on anything in congress has reduced him to a transient official who is powerless. it is not his fault when 60% of the legislative branch has already made up it's mind to vote no before debate is even heard.
what is it you want them to say exactly? "we are against the war but we support the troops?" is that not a contradiction? how can anyone support the troops without supporting the mission? how about "we are not voting for obama, and we are not voting for a republican, and since obama will have no challenger in the priomary we are going to stay home and not vote"?? what kind of a message is that? when people don't vote the system fails..not that it works well at the moment, but how can you go from ed in 2003 saying "if you don't vote they should put that on your headstone!" to "don't vote"?
they have spoken out on oil spills. but the gop's motto is "drill baby drill" so how is them talking against drilling going to change anything? and everyone knows that that gulf spill was not obama's fault. it was bp's negligence. it just happened on obama's watch. who knew the damn thing was going to explode?
condeming the conspiracy theories is not a band's job. that is the job of the media. and i don't believe that we are part of the solution when we are fucking things up for so many other countries in the context of wars, pollution, economic sanctions, blanket support of israel and opposition to a palestinian state etc etc. financially crippling other countries and meddling in their affairs is not a solution..it makes the problems worse.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
My original question was Will PJ publicly denounce Obama and Socialism?
How can one band criticize Bush so intensely and harshly, while promoting Obama with so much pride, and not publicly criticize Obama now?
If they were true to their words and stood with conviction....they would criticize Obama on many issues publicly! MANY!!!!!
Noone here can say otherwise!
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Before I can say otherwise.... i need you to be specific on the many issues. Can you give me a list of the many issues?
Thanx.
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Let's also remember that for such a well know band, Pearl Jam has done a lot in terms of activism. But that's not their job alone. We should not expect too much that way from a rock band but should be thankful for what they have done. Remember, this year is PJ20, not "P(earl) J(esus)- The Second Coming".
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Let's also remember that for such a well know band, Pearl Jam has done a lot in terms of activism. But that's not their job alone. We should not expect too much that way from a rock band but should be thankful for what they have done. Remember, this year is PJ20, not "P(earl) J(esus)- The Second Coming".
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I totally agree with this... WHY does anyone need confirmation from a rock band? I don't agree with everything they say... they do not speak for me. And i don't need nor want them to voice my opinions.
I figure, if someone wants to 'denounce Socialism'... then they should just fucking denounce Socialism... themselves.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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They should criticize the expanded war efforts in Libya, Afganistan, Iraq and other areas. They should publicly critcize the lack of leadership in enviromental efforts. They should publicly criticize the lack of leadership in the oil spill efforts. They should criticize the the growth of the federal govt..
Also, PJ could play a concert for our troops! They should also condemn conspiracy theories that weaken our country! They should also speak positively to others around the world about us! They should believe that we are part of the solution....not the problem!
It would be nice to know that they are on our side ....worldwide! It would be nice to know that they can be for real....and show us that its about us....not the govt. or the DEM. party!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
what is it you want them to say exactly? "we are against the war but we support the troops?" is that not a contradiction? how can anyone support the troops without supporting the mission? how about "we are not voting for obama, and we are not voting for a republican, and since obama will have no challenger in the priomary we are going to stay home and not vote"?? what kind of a message is that? when people don't vote the system fails..not that it works well at the moment, but how can you go from ed in 2003 saying "if you don't vote they should put that on your headstone!" to "don't vote"?
they have spoken out on oil spills. but the gop's motto is "drill baby drill" so how is them talking against drilling going to change anything? and everyone knows that that gulf spill was not obama's fault. it was bp's negligence. it just happened on obama's watch. who knew the damn thing was going to explode?
condeming the conspiracy theories is not a band's job. that is the job of the media. and i don't believe that we are part of the solution when we are fucking things up for so many other countries in the context of wars, pollution, economic sanctions, blanket support of israel and opposition to a palestinian state etc etc. financially crippling other countries and meddling in their affairs is not a solution..it makes the problems worse.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Before I can say otherwise.... i need you to be specific on the many issues. Can you give me a list of the many issues?
Thanx.
Hail, Hail!!!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I totally agree with this... WHY does anyone need confirmation from a rock band? I don't agree with everything they say... they do not speak for me. And i don't need nor want them to voice my opinions.
I figure, if someone wants to 'denounce Socialism'... then they should just fucking denounce Socialism... themselves.
Hail, Hail!!!