Stardog Champion?!?! I would have gone fucking NUTS. And yet I watch the videos, and everyone in the crowd is just standing there, maybe swaying from side-to-side a bit. Typical yankee crowd, and I've got to say, typical yankee shit blurted out on these forums the last couple of days.
Imagine if they held a celebration concert in each continent... the euro one would be the greatest event ever to take place on earth!
honestly, just from the webcast, i thought last night's show was pretty fucking cool. it was also a cool experience to watch the webcast (from this guy gary's phone) and comment on it in here with all of us who were not able to go for whatever reason. that was fun....
....but i do agree that all of the totd songs sort of sapped the energy. and i agree that it felt weird that cornell stole the spotlight from the band and, especially ed, during that rather lengthy encore. obviously i know the history. and i totally respect pj for wanting to honor it. it was also extremely selfless of ed to do that at his own band's 20th anniversary gig. i just think that with them playing 2 nights, maybe they could have done the totd stuff on night 1 and focused more on all thing's pj night 2.
honestly, just from the webcast, i thought last night's show was pretty fucking cool. it was also a cool experience to watch the webcast (from this guy gary's phone) and comment on it in here with all of us who were not able to go for whatever reason. that was fun....
....but i do agree that all of the totd songs sort of sapped the energy. and i agree that it felt weird that cornell stole the spotlight from the band and, especially ed, during that rather lengthy encore. obviously i know the history. and i totally respect pj for wanting to honor it. it was also extremely selfless of ed to do that at his own band's 20th anniversary gig. i just think that with them playing 2 nights, maybe they could have done the totd stuff on night 1 and focused more on all thing's pj night 2.
Agree about Ed. Showed an incredible amount of respect for Jeff and Stone. I might have thought a few more MLB songs actually.
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Cornell couldnt steal Jeff's basketball let alone a PJ show.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Cornell being there was a massive bonus, and I think anyone there should do their best to put it in perspective: if you were hoping for something "special", something "unique", well...that was kinda it, right? I mean, 21 years ago (roughly) EV didn't even know Stone, Jeff or Mike...but those 3 guys were spending a lot of time with Matt and Chris. They made an emotional tribute album to a special friend, Andy Wood, and as timing would have it EV rolls into Seattle at just this moment to lay down vocals on a few tracks. Soundgarden was, by far, the big respected band at this time, and for Cornell to recognize how special a voice this guy "Crazy Eddie" guy had was a big deal. Rather than play big-shot, he essentially gave Eddie a break and invited him into his world, took him under the wing. Don't forget...Stone, Jeff, Mike, Matt, Chris were a real band that recorded a real album with EV as a guest vocalist, and TOD essentially was launched at the very same time PJ was launched. So, yes - in my opinion this reunion differentiated both nights from any "regular" PJ show, and that's something it seems most of us in attendance were hoping for. ADDED BONUS: Cornell still brings it much the same as EV! The guys voice is still so powerful. Watching Stone pretty much just become a fan while watching side-stage should tell us all something. PJ has huge respect for Cornell, as they should. And while some may feel the back-to-back was too much, I disagree. For one, it was just plain awesome. But two, consider this: not everyone in attendance was doing both nights, so anyone that missed Night 1 but who'd heard all about the TOD reunion had to be elated to get Cornell night 2.
Final thought: keep in mind this was PJ20, not PJ5 or PJ10. It was clear that EV was trying his best to "save" his voice. No way he goes 6 hours in 2 days without some help, and him being able to take a 15-20 minute "Breath" both nights must've been a relief.
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I can only imagine what got left on the setlist (and not played) in order to repeat Reach Down tonight.
probably bout 3 songs lol
I thought legitimately it couldve been two PJ songs.. instead of a repeat of Reach Down.
That's my biggest complaint - at least repeating Hunger Strike is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE crowd fav... repeating Reach Down is like repeating a very, very, very long obscure b-side two nights in a row. :x
Agreed. This was PJ20, not "PJ20 + Chris Cornell." I loved the set Saturday and totally thought it was appropriate, but wanted to cap CC to two songs on Sunday, so we could get two more PJ songs!
Very happy he was there and very happy for the Saturday set, just was hoping for more PJ Sunday (for the record I could have COMPLETELY done without John Doe's song Sunday - by far the lowlight of the show for me).
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Final thought: keep in mind this was PJ20, not PJ5 or PJ10. It was clear that EV was trying his best to "save" his voice. No way he goes 6 hours in 2 days without some help, and him being able to take a 15-20 minute "Breath" both nights must've been a relief.
This is what I thought as well - TOTD gave Eddie a chance to rest his voice while giving us something we wouldn't see normally at a PJ show. Were there other PJ songs I would have rather have heard more PJ than TOTD but I figure Eddie needed the break and this extended the show.
this is my personal experience and perspective... i am a PJ fan but my alternative interest/experience doesnt' widen much ... i own no CD for Soundgarden, Cornell, Alice in Chains... etc... just a fact
anyhoo
i never leave my seat at PEARL JAM
night 2 i left when cornell was on stage
i totally understand/respect PJ wanting Chris to be a part of the weekend ... I just thought he took up too much of the show... why not have him open if you're going to give him 4 songs?
it was a bit odd to see how much stone enjoyed playing with chris on stage... but i'll chalk that up to playing songs that he hadn't in a while
you could see some people enjoying chris... and good for them... but he did NOT steal the weekend
personally i think he stole the energy of sunday night
Final thought: keep in mind this was PJ20, not PJ5 or PJ10. It was clear that EV was trying his best to "save" his voice. No way he goes 6 hours in 2 days without some help, and him being able to take a 15-20 minute "Breath" both nights must've been a relief.
This is what I thought as well - TOTD gave Eddie a chance to rest his voice while giving us something we wouldn't see normally at a PJ show. Were there other PJ songs I would have rather have heard more PJ than TOTD but I figure Eddie needed the break and this extended the show.
I've felt for 20 + years the only thing wrong with Hunger Strike was Chris Cornell :?
I picked Eddie's voice out back then...
at that point not knowing who TOTD was but Eddie's voice was ingrained in my brain,
sunk into my heart as it has been since.
I had wished it was an Eddie echo Eddie song, couldn't get past the high pitch screaming of
Chris Cornell and still can not.
A to each their own kind of thing ... and ..."nothing like your baritone"
nothing can compare to Eddie's voice....
wish I had heard it this weekend ... would have loved to have heard Wash.
Stardog Champion?!?! I would have gone fucking NUTS. And yet I watch the videos, and everyone in the crowd is just standing there, maybe swaying from side-to-side a bit. Typical yankee crowd, and I've got to say, typical yankee shit blurted out on these forums the last couple of days.
Imagine if they held a celebration concert in each continent... the euro one would be the greatest event ever to take place on earth!
Love it. Love it. Love it. I had the pleasure of both nights.
I was crazy when Cornell came out and Stardog was an amazing choice. It's painful to hear people bash Cornell and TOTD. They are the foundation of what we know and love as Pearl Jam. Just like the covers we crave, Cornell's music is part of the Pearl Jam legacy.
On top of that, EV can't belt out 35 songs a night so he brings in others to sing. If that's how I get to hear Habit, bring it on.
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Well whether or not you agree with Cornell being there for 4 songs on both nights, you have to admit that his voice sounded fantastic. He has sounded solid ever since he quit smoking....hint hint hint Eddie.....
Here's what I don't get: Even if Chris Cornell ran over your dog and you can't even stand the sight of him ... Mike McCready, who is the lead guitarist of a band most of us profess to like, fucking KILLS these Temple of the Dog songs.
If you can't focus on Cornell, focus on McCready. The Say Hello 2 Heaven solo tops or rivals anything Mike's done with Pearl Jam (and I say that with all the respect in the world).
You'd rather hear Mankind instead of that? You're out of your mind.
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam played for damn near six hours over the course of two nights. Seems silly to complain about 20 minutes of it. Especially when those 20 minutes involve something so rare and special and heartfelt and historic.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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I can definitely see people being annoyed with "too much Cornell" but as i've posted previously I heard the exact same bitching almost word for word after Neil Young joined for the encores on 10/2/04. That is really the only other PJ show i've seen where there was a major guest spot. For me, the guests are something different and a nice change of pace from your run of the mill show. I expected something different and special this weekend and that's exactly what I got.
Stardog Champion?!?! I would have gone fucking NUTS. And yet I watch the videos, and everyone in the crowd is just standing there, maybe swaying from side-to-side a bit. Typical yankee crowd, and I've got to say, typical yankee shit blurted out on these forums the last couple of days.
Imagine if they held a celebration concert in each continent... the euro one would be the greatest event ever to take place on earth!
Love it. Love it. Love it. I had the pleasure of both nights.
I was crazy when Cornell came out and Stardog was an amazing choice. It's painful to hear people bash Cornell and TOTD. They are the foundation of what we know and love as Pearl Jam. Just like the covers we crave, Cornell's music is part of the Pearl Jam legacy.
On top of that, EV can't belt out 35 songs a night so he brings in others to sing. If that's how I get to hear Habit, bring it on.
I don't think it's that Ed can't sing 35 songs. I think he was just trying to include and thank all the artists who played this weekend. They all clearly were having a blast!! I LOVED it!!
LOVED the Temple of the Dog stuff too!
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I think it was a fantastic fucking weekend. great music, great venue,etc.......
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Here's what I don't get: Even if Chris Cornell ran over your dog and you can't even stand the sight of him ... Mike McCready, who is the lead guitarist of a band most of us profess to like, fucking KILLS these Temple of the Dog songs.
If you can't focus on Cornell, focus on McCready. The Say Hello 2 Heaven solo tops or rivals anything Mike's done with Pearl Jam (and I say that with all the respect in the world).
You'd rather hear Mankind instead of that? You're out of your mind.
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam played for damn near six hours over the course of two nights. Seems silly to complain about 20 minutes of it. Especially when those 20 minutes involve something so rare and special and heartfelt and historic.
I don't mean this to be mean, but I feel sorry for Canadians and South Americans. Your shows are going to suck by comparison. There's nowhere to go but down.
Congrats man. In 1 thread you have managed to make a post that I agree completely with you on and
another that has me thinking you're a total douchebag.
the only thing Cornell stole was me not getting 8 more songs that Ed could sing. I understood Night 1(even though it was 3 songs too many, but night 2 when he came out it just stole the energy out of the show for me.
the only thing Cornell stole was me not getting 8 more songs that Ed could sing. I understood Night 1(even though it was 3 songs too many, but night 2 when he came out it just stole the energy out of the show for me.
sort of agree with you on this rm22
cc/totd on saturday was great
thankfully cornell's voice was amazing and nailed it
sunday was a bit of a let down
especially with 2 repeats
Here's what I don't get: Even if Chris Cornell ran over your dog and you can't even stand the sight of him ... Mike McCready, who is the lead guitarist of a band most of us profess to like, fucking KILLS these Temple of the Dog songs.
If you can't focus on Cornell, focus on McCready. The Say Hello 2 Heaven solo tops or rivals anything Mike's done with Pearl Jam (and I say that with all the respect in the world).
You'd rather hear Mankind instead of that? You're out of your mind.
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam played for damn near six hours over the course of two nights. Seems silly to complain about 20 minutes of it. Especially when those 20 minutes involve something so rare and special and heartfelt and historic.
good point about mccready... i went to tres mts not knowing the music and figuring seeing mccready play keyboards might be kind of cool
but my point is... this was PJ20... not PJ*20
i suggested mankind as a reply to people saying cornell was up there for an hour because ed needed a break
if ed needed a break why was he singing back up?
ed doesn't need a fuckin break... he's ed
as for being rare, special, heartfelt, historic
i disagree with special ... solly
just to be clear
i had a great time at the shows.... i had an amazing time outside the shows... i'm glad i went... i'm just sharing my opinion of cornell being a thief
I honestly can't relate to the people saying Chris Cornell ruined Pearl Jam's sets. He's my Rock n' Roll Jesus; seeing him with Pearl Jam (both with and without Eddie) made PJ20 for me. "Stardog Champion" was, without question, my highlight of the entire weekend, and if you saw me during the Temple of the Dog sets you'll have seen me with my mouth literally hanging open the entire time. I mean Christ, I heard "All Night Thing" live this weekend. Never in a million years did I dream I'd see that. Again, I'm a huge Cornell fanboy, and I don't think he "stole the show" so much as he helped push it over the top. But I'll never forget his involvement.
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I agree with the person who said that Cornell stole the show the first night at least....the stage presence and power that he brought with the band shined in my opinion. It was incredible.
Eddie was distracted throughout the first half of the main set the first night...jitters, pressure of a couple years in the making, the weather, technical problems for sure, whatever.
Second night, more relaxed...noted the ''this feels good'' which we've heard before. The signal that Eddie is feeling better or more relaxed I guess.
Good, bad or indifference, I was not going to miss the 20th anniversary fan/10C remembrance of Pearl Jam...didn't matter if it was in Timbuktu or Siberia..I was there. My way of saying thanks for everything.
It was a fantastic weekend and like any gig, had its high points and not as high points...they are human beings.
If you check the videos on Youtube of the Chris Cornell portion, you will see a Seattle rock-n-roll clinic that was very epic and since I missed LA, thought I would probably never see that...especially 4 songs.
This was NOT a ready for radio set list either night, it was partial artistic freedom taken by a band that was surrounded by their most loyal fans perhaps? Better to have no expectations and then you enjoy it for what it is and was...that's my $0.02. It was amazing to be there, great to meet so many people from so many different countries/states, fun to party with people that already seemed like pals because we have shared such similar experiences through the years, with PJ as the foundation and sound track. Peace.
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You forgot to add....after the Australian one!!!
...obviously you are of this opinion because you were not there
....but i do agree that all of the totd songs sort of sapped the energy. and i agree that it felt weird that cornell stole the spotlight from the band and, especially ed, during that rather lengthy encore. obviously i know the history. and i totally respect pj for wanting to honor it. it was also extremely selfless of ed to do that at his own band's 20th anniversary gig. i just think that with them playing 2 nights, maybe they could have done the totd stuff on night 1 and focused more on all thing's pj night 2.
I kinda knew there would be a lot of collaboration-something I dont care for-it was one of the reasons I passed on going.
Guests=less pearl jam
no way these shows could have lived up to the hype
still, any PJ show works for me-just leave the guests at home
perfectly said
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Final thought: keep in mind this was PJ20, not PJ5 or PJ10. It was clear that EV was trying his best to "save" his voice. No way he goes 6 hours in 2 days without some help, and him being able to take a 15-20 minute "Breath" both nights must've been a relief.
Agreed. This was PJ20, not "PJ20 + Chris Cornell." I loved the set Saturday and totally thought it was appropriate, but wanted to cap CC to two songs on Sunday, so we could get two more PJ songs!
Very happy he was there and very happy for the Saturday set, just was hoping for more PJ Sunday (for the record I could have COMPLETELY done without John Doe's song Sunday - by far the lowlight of the show for me).
This is what I thought as well - TOTD gave Eddie a chance to rest his voice while giving us something we wouldn't see normally at a PJ show. Were there other PJ songs I would have rather have heard more PJ than TOTD but I figure Eddie needed the break and this extended the show.
anyhoo
i never leave my seat at PEARL JAM
night 2 i left when cornell was on stage
i totally understand/respect PJ wanting Chris to be a part of the weekend ... I just thought he took up too much of the show... why not have him open if you're going to give him 4 songs?
it was a bit odd to see how much stone enjoyed playing with chris on stage... but i'll chalk that up to playing songs that he hadn't in a while
you could see some people enjoying chris... and good for them... but he did NOT steal the weekend
personally i think he stole the energy of sunday night
play Mankind (which i don't like)
take a longer break
let mike melt faces
let jeff tear it up
tell neil or pete to come to night 2
change the schedule to friday/sunday
let me sing
have evilclosetmonkey get up and do celine dion
:idea:
I picked Eddie's voice out back then...
at that point not knowing who TOTD was but Eddie's voice was ingrained in my brain,
sunk into my heart as it has been since.
I had wished it was an Eddie echo Eddie song, couldn't get past the high pitch screaming of
Chris Cornell and still can not.
A to each their own kind of thing ... and ..."nothing like your baritone"
nothing can compare to Eddie's voice....
wish I had heard it this weekend ... would have loved to have heard Wash.
Love it. Love it. Love it. I had the pleasure of both nights.
I was crazy when Cornell came out and Stardog was an amazing choice. It's painful to hear people bash Cornell and TOTD. They are the foundation of what we know and love as Pearl Jam. Just like the covers we crave, Cornell's music is part of the Pearl Jam legacy.
On top of that, EV can't belt out 35 songs a night so he brings in others to sing. If that's how I get to hear Habit, bring it on.
I didn't see him for the grand finale.
If you can't focus on Cornell, focus on McCready. The Say Hello 2 Heaven solo tops or rivals anything Mike's done with Pearl Jam (and I say that with all the respect in the world).
You'd rather hear Mankind instead of that? You're out of your mind.
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam played for damn near six hours over the course of two nights. Seems silly to complain about 20 minutes of it. Especially when those 20 minutes involve something so rare and special and heartfelt and historic.
for the least they could possibly do
I don't think it's that Ed can't sing 35 songs. I think he was just trying to include and thank all the artists who played this weekend. They all clearly were having a blast!! I LOVED it!!
LOVED the Temple of the Dog stuff too!
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Brown to black, it's coming back
Dies to be part of the ground
Seed to seedling, root to stem
Congrats man. In 1 thread you have managed to make a post that I agree completely with you on and
another that has me thinking you're a total douchebag.
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sort of agree with you on this rm22
cc/totd on saturday was great
thankfully cornell's voice was amazing and nailed it
sunday was a bit of a let down
especially with 2 repeats
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
good point about mccready... i went to tres mts not knowing the music and figuring seeing mccready play keyboards might be kind of cool
but my point is... this was PJ20... not PJ*20
i suggested mankind as a reply to people saying cornell was up there for an hour because ed needed a break
if ed needed a break why was he singing back up?
ed doesn't need a fuckin break... he's ed
as for being rare, special, heartfelt, historic
i disagree with special ... solly
just to be clear
i had a great time at the shows.... i had an amazing time outside the shows... i'm glad i went... i'm just sharing my opinion of cornell being a thief
Eddie was distracted throughout the first half of the main set the first night...jitters, pressure of a couple years in the making, the weather, technical problems for sure, whatever.
Second night, more relaxed...noted the ''this feels good'' which we've heard before. The signal that Eddie is feeling better or more relaxed I guess.
Good, bad or indifference, I was not going to miss the 20th anniversary fan/10C remembrance of Pearl Jam...didn't matter if it was in Timbuktu or Siberia..I was there. My way of saying thanks for everything.
It was a fantastic weekend and like any gig, had its high points and not as high points...they are human beings.
If you check the videos on Youtube of the Chris Cornell portion, you will see a Seattle rock-n-roll clinic that was very epic and since I missed LA, thought I would probably never see that...especially 4 songs.
This was NOT a ready for radio set list either night, it was partial artistic freedom taken by a band that was surrounded by their most loyal fans perhaps? Better to have no expectations and then you enjoy it for what it is and was...that's my $0.02. It was amazing to be there, great to meet so many people from so many different countries/states, fun to party with people that already seemed like pals because we have shared such similar experiences through the years, with PJ as the foundation and sound track. Peace.