Well... Politically... I think the guy is a dickhead. But, if that's what he feels it takes to gain closure for himself and/or his family... I'm fine with it.
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why don't you tell me what is normal after you or someone close to you loses a baby like this...
The guy is a dick for sure, and someone who should not and won't be in the white house in any capacity...but to talk about this like all of you know what that feels like...shame on you...I had a baby born prematurely...she was in intensive care, had NEC(horrible if you don't know what it is) and luckily the nurses who took care of her for the month she spent in the hospital saved her little life...I couldn't tell you how I would react if she were to have passed, and none of you should judge the actions of this family during what I am sure was a very difficult time...
POD I completely understand your anger towards this jackass, I don't want to minimize the way he makes you feel, but there are plenty of things to judge this man on, this isn't one of them.
dude, chill the fuck out. i could care less about rick santorum. i was watching an interview with him on piers morgan and this was brought up. i had never heard of this and i was actually shocked to know people did this. thanks. oh and shame on you.
I wasn't referring to you. The posts that followed were more to the point of my post.
"he is a member of the tea party. what do you expect?"
"the GOP seems to be attracting a lot of crazy"
"no, it's not fucking normal. that's like a psychotic break."
"it would be bad enough if he just involved himself and his wife, but to parade his dead child in front of their other children, that's fucking emotional abuse. "
"Norman Bates approves"
but you can take it to mean you if you like,
my brother lost two daughters to prematurity, so our family knew EXACTLY what this was like. so SHAME ON YOU FOR JUDGING ME. How ironic, once again, someone is judging others for judging.
yes, it is normal in the hospital to wrap the baby up, name it, etc, but to take it home and sleep with it is fucking weird IN MY OPINION. GOT THAT? IT'S AN OPINION BASED ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. your daughter lived. that's awesome.
my brother and our family weren't so fucking lucky.
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just so you know, his first daughter, Miranda, was stillborn. His second daughter, Cassandra, lived for a month then died. His third child, a boy, Michael, was born at an ungodly term of 24 weeks even after his wife was on bedrest since the beginning of her pregnancy.
He just turned 13 this year. at that time, it was one of the earliest born survivals ever (we were told).
I think about my two nieces a lot. I wish I had gotten to know them. But I know my brother, never in a million years, would have brought them home to sleep with them.
and as if I need to say this, but just in case, I don't even know who this guy is, so I was not judging him on any politics he may have.
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I wasn't referring to you. The posts that followed were more to the point of my post.
"he is a member of the tea party. what do you expect?"
"the GOP seems to be attracting a lot of crazy"
"no, it's not fucking normal. that's like a psychotic break."
"it would be bad enough if he just involved himself and his wife, but to parade his dead child in front of their other children, that's fucking emotional abuse. "
"Norman Bates approves"
but you can take it to mean you if you like,
my brother lost two daughters to prematurity, so our family knew EXACTLY what this was like. so SHAME ON YOU FOR JUDGING ME. How ironic, once again, someone is judging others for judging.
yes, it is normal in the hospital to wrap the baby up, name it, etc, but to take it home and sleep with it is fucking weird IN MY OPINION. GOT THAT? IT'S AN OPINION BASED ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. your daughter lived. that's awesome.
my brother and our family weren't so fucking lucky.
sucks about your brother. And the only time I judge people for their actions is when they do something like talk about how someone else should handle their grief. You didn't call it weird, you said it was ""no, it's not fucking normal. that's like a psychotic break."
"it would be bad enough if he just involved himself and his wife, but to parade his dead child in front of their other children, that's fucking emotional abuse. ""
that is quite different. You handled your grief one way, they handled it a different way, there is nothing psychotic about it. The guy is a grade A asshole, and you can say a lot of things about him, but judging anyone's grief is not something that should be done. You can do it all you want, you can have all the opinions you want, I am not stopping you, I just don't like it and I let you know.
You should write a book and tell people how they should grieve, would save everyone all kinds of trouble in these situations, that way everyone could be normal.
No disrespect meant to you or your family for the loss of those children, and hopefully no one judged or thought badly of the way you all handled what was I am sure a very difficult situation. My very close friend just had her baby stop breathing literally in her arms at home out of no where. I may be a little over sensitive here, but the idea that anyone would judge anything they did makes me angry. and I don't usually get too angry.
HFD,
just read your second post. I wasn't really caring to much about the politics either. I cannot stand Rick Santorum as a person, it was more the way people were talking about it. this would NEVER be posted about anyone left of center.
Again, sorry for you and your family's loss. It is terrible. I still tear up thinking about my daughter with all those needles in her. It is a completely helpless feeling to look at them and know there is literally nothing you can do but tell them you love them. That being said, short of eating the child, I don't care what anyone does to make it easier to get over the loss. Mostly because I probably would have done something completely crazy in other peoples' eyes myself...and I probably did when my Dad passed. I don't handle grief the same way others do, and that is the point. We should allow the freedom for grief to take its course.
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I have an opinion on the matter. Just like you. Doesn't give you the right to judge MY opinion. wouldn't that be called hypocrisy?
I still think it's fucked up that he slept with a dead body. I don't think calling it a psychotic break is disrespectful at all. It's a state of mind. I can't imagine the pain. I knew it as an uncle, and as a brother, but not as a father. I hope I never do.
Yes, everyone grieves in different ways. That's obvious. But if my daughter had a dog that died, I would not encourage her to sleep with it or try to play fetch with it one last time.
and of course it would be posted if it were a liberal. that's preposterous to think otherwise. fucked up knows no politics.
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no, it's not fucking normal. that's like a psychotic break. it would be bad enough if he just involved himself and his wife, but to parade his dead child in front of their other children, that's fucking emotional abuse.
it's just fucked up. those kids will be telling this to a therapist at some point.
agreed. i posted something about this on facebook and got flogged for it. apparently some ppl think its acceptable but not me. And for the record, Santorum promised to bomb iran
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no, it's not fucking normal. that's like a psychotic break. it would be bad enough if he just involved himself and his wife, but to parade his dead child in front of their other children, that's fucking emotional abuse.
it's just fucked up. those kids will be telling this to a therapist at some point.
agreed. i posted something about this on facebook and got flogged for it. apparently some ppl think its acceptable but not me. And for the record, Santorum promised to bomb iran
I think it's more complicated than people realize. My first baby girl was stillborn. I knew going into labour that she would never take a breath. So I put myself in a different frame of mind... I got them to drug me up as much as possible and when she was born, I didn't want to see her or hold or anything. I just wanted to forget she ever existed. However, when it came time to leave the hospital, I couldn't bring myself to walk away without ever seeing my daughter. I have a box now with a couple photos of her, her footprints and handprints, her baby hat and hospital bracelets. Now, I don't think, given the option, I would have brought her home, but you would be surprised how you act when facing of this kind of loss... I was shocked at some of the things I did and said while I was grieving. I was kind of off the rails for a while.
I suspect that perhaps it was the child's mother who couldn't let him go and wanted to bring him home... just my thoughts.
It's just as weird as cremating a loved one and sticking their ashes on your fireplace mantle. But people sometimes do these things to get through emotional losses.
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my brother lost two daughters to prematurity, so our family knew EXACTLY what this was like. so SHAME ON YOU FOR JUDGING ME. How ironic, once again, someone is judging others for judging.
yes, it is normal in the hospital to wrap the baby up, name it, etc, but to take it home and sleep with it is fucking weird IN MY OPINION. GOT THAT? IT'S AN OPINION BASED ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. your daughter lived. that's awesome.
my brother and our family weren't so fucking lucky.
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totally and utterly freaking creeped out!
He just turned 13 this year. at that time, it was one of the earliest born survivals ever (we were told).
I think about my two nieces a lot. I wish I had gotten to know them. But I know my brother, never in a million years, would have brought them home to sleep with them.
and as if I need to say this, but just in case, I don't even know who this guy is, so I was not judging him on any politics he may have.
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sucks about your brother. And the only time I judge people for their actions is when they do something like talk about how someone else should handle their grief. You didn't call it weird, you said it was ""no, it's not fucking normal. that's like a psychotic break."
"it would be bad enough if he just involved himself and his wife, but to parade his dead child in front of their other children, that's fucking emotional abuse. ""
that is quite different. You handled your grief one way, they handled it a different way, there is nothing psychotic about it. The guy is a grade A asshole, and you can say a lot of things about him, but judging anyone's grief is not something that should be done. You can do it all you want, you can have all the opinions you want, I am not stopping you, I just don't like it and I let you know.
You should write a book and tell people how they should grieve, would save everyone all kinds of trouble in these situations, that way everyone could be normal.
No disrespect meant to you or your family for the loss of those children, and hopefully no one judged or thought badly of the way you all handled what was I am sure a very difficult situation. My very close friend just had her baby stop breathing literally in her arms at home out of no where. I may be a little over sensitive here, but the idea that anyone would judge anything they did makes me angry. and I don't usually get too angry.
HFD,
just read your second post. I wasn't really caring to much about the politics either. I cannot stand Rick Santorum as a person, it was more the way people were talking about it. this would NEVER be posted about anyone left of center.
Again, sorry for you and your family's loss. It is terrible. I still tear up thinking about my daughter with all those needles in her. It is a completely helpless feeling to look at them and know there is literally nothing you can do but tell them you love them. That being said, short of eating the child, I don't care what anyone does to make it easier to get over the loss. Mostly because I probably would have done something completely crazy in other peoples' eyes myself...and I probably did when my Dad passed. I don't handle grief the same way others do, and that is the point. We should allow the freedom for grief to take its course.
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I still think it's fucked up that he slept with a dead body. I don't think calling it a psychotic break is disrespectful at all. It's a state of mind. I can't imagine the pain. I knew it as an uncle, and as a brother, but not as a father. I hope I never do.
Yes, everyone grieves in different ways. That's obvious. But if my daughter had a dog that died, I would not encourage her to sleep with it or try to play fetch with it one last time.
and of course it would be posted if it were a liberal. that's preposterous to think otherwise. fucked up knows no politics.
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agreed. i posted something about this on facebook and got flogged for it. apparently some ppl think its acceptable but not me. And for the record, Santorum promised to bomb iran
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I suspect that perhaps it was the child's mother who couldn't let him go and wanted to bring him home... just my thoughts.