few things: -turner is better than more than half the rbs on that list
- Vick accounted for 30 tds last year. while throwing 6 picks. 6. he gets rushing yards. some games close to 100. no other qb does that. he is unlike any other qb. you can not compare him to brady or a healthy manning. he should be a top 10 pick
- sleepers can not be considered the # 1 or 1a receiver, so that entire sleeper list is void
vick was hardly blitzed until the end of the year and when he was, vick sucked and got hurt. it is a no brainer to pick a best available rb first and second and wr 3 4 5 and qb6 then way down the end go te k def
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few things: -turner is better than more than half the rbs on that list
- Vick accounted for 30 tds last year. while throwing 6 picks. 6. he gets rushing yards. some games close to 100. no other qb does that. he is unlike any other qb. you can not compare him to brady or a healthy manning. he should be a top 10 pick
- sleepers can not be considered the # 1 or 1a receiver, so that entire sleeper list is void
Really Turner, he cracks the top #15. I think on that Wide out list there were two #1's and the two that are #1's have average QB's at best throwing to them (Holmes & Williams). Maybe I should change it from Sleeper to Value pick while everyone else is blowing their load on QB's. There is no way Vick has the year he had last year. D's have been preparing for him
few things: -turner is better than more than half the rbs on that list
- Vick accounted for 30 tds last year. while throwing 6 picks. 6. he gets rushing yards. some games close to 100. no other qb does that. he is unlike any other qb. you can not compare him to brady or a healthy manning. he should be a top 10 pick
I have a feeling you're going to be disappointed in Vick this year.
WI '98, WI '99 (EV), WI '00, Chgo '00, MO '00, Champaign '03, Chgo '03, WI '03, IN '03, MI '04, Chgo '06:N1 & 2, WI '06, Chgo '07, Chgo '08 (EV:N1), Chgo '09:N1 & 2, Chgo '11 (EV:N1), WI '11:N1 & 2, Philly '12, Wrigley '13, Pitt '13, Buff '13, Detroit '14, MKE '14, Wrigley '16: N1 & N2, Seattle '18 N2, Wrigley '18: N1 & N2, Fenway '18 N1, STL '22, St Paul '23 N2, Chgo '23: N1 & N2
No Wide outs don't switch that much year to year. :roll:
Top WR's from 2008
1 Andre Johnson
2 Larry Fitzgerald
3 Steve Smith
4 Roddy White
5 Calvin Johnson
6 Greg Jennings
7 Brandon Marshall
8 Antonio Bryant
9 Wes Welker
10 Reggie Wayne
11 Vincent Jackson
2009
1 Andre Johnson
2 Wes Welker
3 Miles Austin
4 Sidney Rice
5 Randy Moss
5 Reggie Wayne
7 Santonio Holmes
8 Steve Smith
9 Vincent Jackson
9 Hines Ward
11 Antonio Gates
2010
Dwayne Bowe
(KC - WR)
Brandon Lloyd
(Den - WR)
Roddy White
(Atl - WR)
Greg Jennings
(GB - WR)
Mike Wallace
(Pit - WR)
Calvin Johnson
(Det - WR)
Andre Johnson
(Hou - WR)
Hakeem Nicks
(NYG - WR)
DeSean Jackson
(Phi - WR)
Reggie Wayne
(Ind - WR)
where is the top 10 RB list?
You knew Vincent Jackson would fall off due to his hold out.
Randy Moss was a shocker
Holms missed 4 games and switched teams
Wasn't rice hurt last year
wes welker was coming off a devastating knee injury
so just looking 09 to 10, half the list we knew was going to change just becuase of injuries/suspensions/hold outs.
if you look at the 10 list and project crap, i wouldn't touch
Lloyd
Bowe
Wallace scares me
Jackson scares me
anyways, feel free to do what you want....i'm going to stick to my system which has kept me near the top of the standings on a pretty consistent basis.
few things: -turner is better than more than half the rbs on that list
- Vick accounted for 30 tds last year. while throwing 6 picks. 6. he gets rushing yards. some games close to 100. no other qb does that. he is unlike any other qb. you can not compare him to brady or a healthy manning. he should be a top 10 pick
I have a feeling you're going to be disappointed in Vick this year.
Agreed Mamasan23. He has looked like erratic/shitty Vick from Atlanta so far in the preseason. Now that's he's got his fat contract he can go back to sneaking weed onto planes and running dog fights. It's all downhill from here. I'd rather have Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Rivers, and even with a sore neck Manning than Vick.
Vick is an interesting pick. I wouldn't mind having him if i could pick him up in the 3rd or 4th round....and get a solid back up because we know he won't start all 16 games.
Vick is an interesting pick. I wouldn't mind having him if i could pick him up in the 3rd or 4th round....and get a solid back up because we know he won't start all 16 games.
That is the issue with DogKiller, as good a player as he is. Must have a solid back up cause he is going down at 1 point -- if not multiple points.
Yes he is got him in the 8th round this year. hers is my draft results 10 team (I had 8th pick), 6pts for TD's non PPR.
Red Mosquitoes
1. (8) Chris Johnson
(Ten - RB)
2. (13) Peyton Hillis
(Cle - RB)
3. (28) Matt Forte
(Chi - RB)
4. (33) Miles Austin
(Dal - WR)
5. (48) Mario Manningham
(NYG - WR)
6. (53) Matt Ryan
(Atl - QB)
7. (68) Lee Evans
(Bal - WR)
8. (73) Beanie Wells
(Ari - RB)
9. (88) Mike Thomas
(Jac - WR)
10. (93) Aaron Hernandez
(NE - TE)
11. (108) Nate Burleson
(Det - WR)
12. (113) Taylor Price/ Just dropped Price for Earl Bennett.
(NE - WR)
13. (128) Chicago
(Chi - DEF)
14. (133) Lance Kendricks
(StL - TE)
15. (148) Alex Henery
(Phi - K)
as least you stayed true to your beliefs....even if they are wrong. :P
I picked up Ryan as well. He's going to have a big year. Beanie...as we discussed. great pick up. Lee Evans intersts me, but scares me with his new team status. i'm suprised Miles lasted as long as he did.
don't draft TE, K or DEF. ever. they're always dropped and picked up by 10 different teams throughout the season
What? This is the worst FF advice I have ever seen.
No love for McFadden here? I got him, Arian, and Blount and can't wait for next weekend. Well, actually I can because PJ20 will be over with by then lol.
don't draft TE, K or DEF. ever. they're always dropped and picked up by 10 different teams throughout the season
What? This is the worst FF advice I have ever seen.
No love for McFadden here? I got him, Arian, and Blount and can't wait for next weekend. Well, actually I can because PJ20 will be over with by then lol.
McFadden is technically marked as a run by committee because they have Michael Bush. Isn’t McFadden injury prone?
don't draft TE, K or DEF. ever. they're always dropped and picked up by 10 different teams throughout the season
What? This is the worst FF advice I have ever seen.
No love for McFadden here? I got him, Arian, and Blount and can't wait for next weekend. Well, actually I can because PJ20 will be over with by then lol.
McFadden is technically marked as a run by committee because they have Michael Bush. Isn’t McFadden injury prone?
McFadden had a nice year last year. He'll be the workhorse, but Bush will get a few carries.
McFadden is technically marked as a run by committee because they have Michael Bush. Isn’t McFadden injury prone?
McFadden had a nice year last year. He'll be the workhorse, but Bush will get a few carries.
I would not be surprised if McFadden misses a game or two and still ends up a top 10 back. I am very confident in saying that he will score more points than Hillis this year.
I have Ingram on my bench as of now just in case one of my backs is hurt.
And Michael Bush does scare me a little because he has looked good this offseason. Hopefully he gets just enough carries to keep McFadden healthy.
i also believe, you want to take the best player available regardless of position. that could result in a TE going in round 4 or maybe as high as three.
I like your post except this part. That should never, ever, ever happen except in the case of 1 single TE and only if he is healthy.
I took Whitten at the end of 4th of the PJ AET league (12 teams i had the second pick). when you compare his stats to teh wr's available and the rb's that were there... it made sense. he's going to catch 80-90 balls, be around 1000 yards and have 8-10 td's.
But where was M.Lewis drafted and how'd he do? Lots of TE value after Gates.
few things: -turner is better than more than half the rbs on that list
- Vick accounted for 30 tds last year. while throwing 6 picks. 6. he gets rushing yards. some games close to 100. no other qb does that. he is unlike any other qb. you can not compare him to brady or a healthy manning. he should be a top 10 pick
- sleepers can not be considered the # 1 or 1a receiver, so that entire sleeper list is void
vick was hardly blitzed until the end of the year and when he was, vick sucked and got hurt. it is a no brainer to pick a best available rb first and second and wr 3 4 5 and qb6 then way down the end go te k def
Depends on the league rules, but it is certainly not a "no brainer" to go RB-RB in rounds 1&2 anymore. That draft strategy is soooooo 2006.
Some of those Top WR are way more valuable then the crappy 2nd tier RB.
if you look at the 10 list and project crap, i wouldn't touch
Lloyd
Bowe
Wallace scares me
Jackson scares me
anyways, feel free to do what you want....i'm going to stick to my system which has kept me near the top of the standings on a pretty consistent basis.
Wallace and Jackson scare you? Really? Some of the safest WR picks in my opinion. But that is why they play the games.
if you look at the 10 list and project crap, i wouldn't touch
Lloyd
Bowe
Wallace scares me
Jackson scares me
anyways, feel free to do what you want....i'm going to stick to my system which has kept me near the top of the standings on a pretty consistent basis.
Wallace and Jackson scare you? Really? Some of the safest WR picks in my opinion. But that is why they play the games.
one hit wonders? big drop offs? i don't know. i just don't like any of them.
Rate my team.... didn't want to start an entire new thread.... but might if this doesn't get any love. lol.
12 team, 0.5 ppr. Start 1QB 1RB 2WR and 1 Flex, TE, K, and D
QB Vick
QB Fitzpatrick
RB F. Jones
RB S. Greene
RB Javid Best
RB McGahee
RB Jerome Harrison
WR Andre Johnson
WR Steve Johnson
WR Chad Johnson AKA 85
WR Mike Thomas
WR Roy Williams
TE Tony Gonzalez
TE Jared Cook
K Gostkowski
D Falcons
FYI took Andre Johnson 7th and Vick 17th or 18th. Then went Jones, Green, Best, and then Steve Johnson.
Rate my team.... didn't want to start an entire new thread.... but might if this doesn't get any love. lol.
12 team, 0.5 ppr. Start 1QB 1RB 2WR and 1 Flex, TE, and D
QB Vick
QB Fitzpatrick
RB F. Jones
RB S. Greene
RB Javid Best
RB McGahee
RB Jerome Harrison
WR Andre Johnson
WR Steve Johnson
WR Chad Johnson AKA 85
WR Mike Thomas
WR Roy Williams
TE Tony Gonzalez
TE Jared Cook
K Gostkowski
D Falcons
FYI took Andre Johnson 7th and Vick 17th or 18th. Then went Jones, Green, Best, and then Steve Johnson.
that is a thin starting line up leauge. no kicker, and only 1 rb wow.
looks like a solid line up, condisering you don't start many
if you look at the 10 list and project crap, i wouldn't touch
Lloyd
Bowe
Wallace scares me
Jackson scares me
anyways, feel free to do what you want....i'm going to stick to my system which has kept me near the top of the standings on a pretty consistent basis.
Wallace and Jackson scare you? Really? Some of the safest WR picks in my opinion. But that is why they play the games.
one hit wonders? big drop offs? i don't know. i just don't like any of them.
Arian Foster could also be turn out to be a one hit wonder!
WI '98, WI '99 (EV), WI '00, Chgo '00, MO '00, Champaign '03, Chgo '03, WI '03, IN '03, MI '04, Chgo '06:N1 & 2, WI '06, Chgo '07, Chgo '08 (EV:N1), Chgo '09:N1 & 2, Chgo '11 (EV:N1), WI '11:N1 & 2, Philly '12, Wrigley '13, Pitt '13, Buff '13, Detroit '14, MKE '14, Wrigley '16: N1 & N2, Seattle '18 N2, Wrigley '18: N1 & N2, Fenway '18 N1, STL '22, St Paul '23 N2, Chgo '23: N1 & N2
Rate my team.... didn't want to start an entire new thread.... but might if this doesn't get any love. lol.
12 team, 0.5 ppr. Start 1QB 1RB 2WR and 1 Flex, TE, and D
QB Vick
QB Fitzpatrick
RB F. Jones
RB S. Greene
RB Javid Best
RB McGahee
RB Jerome Harrison
WR Andre Johnson
WR Steve Johnson
WR Chad Johnson AKA 85
WR Mike Thomas
WR Roy Williams
TE Tony Gonzalez
TE Jared Cook
K Gostkowski
D Falcons
FYI took Andre Johnson 7th and Vick 17th or 18th. Then went Jones, Green, Best, and then Steve Johnson.
that is a thin starting line up leauge. no kicker, and only 1 rb wow.
looks like a solid line up, condisering you don't start many
Forgot the K.... but yeah, weird how we don't start too many. it used to be 2 RB and 2 WR. Then they changed the 2nd RB to a Flex......
I think I'm weakest at RB... but between those three guys I think someone emerges.
Arian Foster could also be turn out to be a one hit wonder!
he could...with that hamstring. he could be trouble some this year. i wish you would have taken him..i was prepared to take ray rice. but as long as somebody else loses a rb, i have a lot of solid upside players.
Comments
Top WR's from 2008
1 Andre Johnson
2 Larry Fitzgerald
3 Steve Smith
4 Roddy White
5 Calvin Johnson
6 Greg Jennings
7 Brandon Marshall
8 Antonio Bryant
9 Wes Welker
10 Reggie Wayne
11 Vincent Jackson
2009
1 Andre Johnson
2 Wes Welker
3 Miles Austin
4 Sidney Rice
5 Randy Moss
5 Reggie Wayne
7 Santonio Holmes
8 Steve Smith
9 Vincent Jackson
9 Hines Ward
11 Antonio Gates
2010
Dwayne Bowe
(KC - WR)
Brandon Lloyd
(Den - WR)
Roddy White
(Atl - WR)
Greg Jennings
(GB - WR)
Mike Wallace
(Pit - WR)
Calvin Johnson
(Det - WR)
Andre Johnson
(Hou - WR)
Hakeem Nicks
(NYG - WR)
DeSean Jackson
(Phi - WR)
Reggie Wayne
(Ind - WR)
vick was hardly blitzed until the end of the year and when he was, vick sucked and got hurt. it is a no brainer to pick a best available rb first and second and wr 3 4 5 and qb6 then way down the end go te k def
haha. I know how to highjack a thread with the best of them.
sorry OP. Now, carry on
I have a feeling you're going to be disappointed in Vick this year.
where is the top 10 RB list?
You knew Vincent Jackson would fall off due to his hold out.
Randy Moss was a shocker
Holms missed 4 games and switched teams
Wasn't rice hurt last year
wes welker was coming off a devastating knee injury
so just looking 09 to 10, half the list we knew was going to change just becuase of injuries/suspensions/hold outs.
if you look at the 10 list and project crap, i wouldn't touch
Lloyd
Bowe
Wallace scares me
Jackson scares me
anyways, feel free to do what you want....i'm going to stick to my system which has kept me near the top of the standings on a pretty consistent basis.
Agreed Mamasan23. He has looked like erratic/shitty Vick from Atlanta so far in the preseason. Now that's he's got his fat contract he can go back to sneaking weed onto planes and running dog fights. It's all downhill from here. I'd rather have Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Rivers, and even with a sore neck Manning than Vick.
That is the issue with DogKiller, as good a player as he is. Must have a solid back up cause he is going down at 1 point -- if not multiple points.
here is a tip.
take beanie. he's going to have a solid season.
there...there is your tip
Red Mosquitoes
1. (8) Chris Johnson
(Ten - RB)
2. (13) Peyton Hillis
(Cle - RB)
3. (28) Matt Forte
(Chi - RB)
4. (33) Miles Austin
(Dal - WR)
5. (48) Mario Manningham
(NYG - WR)
6. (53) Matt Ryan
(Atl - QB)
7. (68) Lee Evans
(Bal - WR)
8. (73) Beanie Wells
(Ari - RB)
9. (88) Mike Thomas
(Jac - WR)
10. (93) Aaron Hernandez
(NE - TE)
11. (108) Nate Burleson
(Det - WR)
12. (113) Taylor Price/ Just dropped Price for Earl Bennett.
(NE - WR)
13. (128) Chicago
(Chi - DEF)
14. (133) Lance Kendricks
(StL - TE)
15. (148) Alex Henery
(Phi - K)
as least you stayed true to your beliefs....even if they are wrong. :P
I picked up Ryan as well. He's going to have a big year. Beanie...as we discussed. great pick up. Lee Evans intersts me, but scares me with his new team status. i'm suprised Miles lasted as long as he did.
What? This is the worst FF advice I have ever seen.
No love for McFadden here? I got him, Arian, and Blount and can't wait for next weekend. Well, actually I can because PJ20 will be over with by then lol.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
McFadden had a nice year last year. He'll be the workhorse, but Bush will get a few carries.
I would not be surprised if McFadden misses a game or two and still ends up a top 10 back. I am very confident in saying that he will score more points than Hillis this year.
I have Ingram on my bench as of now just in case one of my backs is hurt.
And Michael Bush does scare me a little because he has looked good this offseason. Hopefully he gets just enough carries to keep McFadden healthy.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
But where was M.Lewis drafted and how'd he do? Lots of TE value after Gates.
Depends on the league rules, but it is certainly not a "no brainer" to go RB-RB in rounds 1&2 anymore. That draft strategy is soooooo 2006.
Some of those Top WR are way more valuable then the crappy 2nd tier RB.
Wallace and Jackson scare you? Really? Some of the safest WR picks in my opinion. But that is why they play the games.
one hit wonders? big drop offs? i don't know. i just don't like any of them.
12 team, 0.5 ppr. Start 1QB 1RB 2WR and 1 Flex, TE, K, and D
QB Vick
QB Fitzpatrick
RB F. Jones
RB S. Greene
RB Javid Best
RB McGahee
RB Jerome Harrison
WR Andre Johnson
WR Steve Johnson
WR Chad Johnson AKA 85
WR Mike Thomas
WR Roy Williams
TE Tony Gonzalez
TE Jared Cook
K Gostkowski
D Falcons
FYI took Andre Johnson 7th and Vick 17th or 18th. Then went Jones, Green, Best, and then Steve Johnson.
that is a thin starting line up leauge. no kicker, and only 1 rb wow.
looks like a solid line up, condisering you don't start many
Arian Foster could also be turn out to be a one hit wonder!
Forgot the K.... but yeah, weird how we don't start too many. it used to be 2 RB and 2 WR. Then they changed the 2nd RB to a Flex......
I think I'm weakest at RB... but between those three guys I think someone emerges.
he could...with that hamstring. he could be trouble some this year. i wish you would have taken him..i was prepared to take ray rice. but as long as somebody else loses a rb, i have a lot of solid upside players.