Fantasy Drafting Football Tips 2011-12

shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,182
edited December 2011 in All Encompassing Trip
Non PPR 12 team draft. 6 points for TD's
1) Do not take a QB in the first 3-4 rounds. This position is very deep this year. I have won two Super Bowls with Garrard and Eli Manning at the helm. My buddy won two years ago with Jason Campbell starting in the Super Bowl. Let others pick the QB's early.
2) Be carful on drafting WR too early. The Top 10 Wide outs over the past five years changes dramatically every year.
3) RB should always be your first two picks. .
4) If Chris Johnson drops to your in the mid to late 1st round you have to grab him
5) Defense and Kicker should be your last two picks

Top RB's- 1)Foster, 2) RRice, 3) Peterson, 4)Charles, 5)Mendenhall, 6)Hillis, 7)McCoy, 8) CJ, 9) MJD, 10) Forte/Blount
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    you are nuts
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  • shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,182
    81 wrote:
    you are nuts
    Explain yourself Mr. 81.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,975
    Bull shit. Vick is worth a top pick. And receivers are worth it if you're in a PPR league.
  • shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,182
    Bull shit. Vick is worth a top pick. And receivers are worth it if you're in a PPR league.
    Sorry this is for nonPPR leagues. PPR's are for pussies. You go ahead and draft Vick #1 and you don't make the playoffs.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Bull shit. Vick is worth a top pick. And receivers are worth it if you're in a PPR league.

    yeah, all depends on league size, scoring system, lineup requirements, etc.

    this is why there should be a law regarding fantasy football discussions. you should be arrested if you talk about your team(s) with people that aren't in your league (unless they ask).
  • Mamasan23Mamasan23 Posts: 16,388
    I agree with this for most standard leagues but these rules don't always apply. I'm in a league where our commish has the scoring set heavily to favor QB's. They get 10 points for every TD pass thrown as opposed to 6 points for receivers/rushers. (Crazy I know, but it's our 3rd year...too late to change it up now) In this type of setting, it actually works better to take a QB in the first round. In the past 2 years, the people who won both had Aaron Rodgers and an okay RB. I suggest going to http://www.fantasysharks.com/index.php to help out. You can plug in your league's settings and they'll spit out a list based on those settings.
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  • HeisenbergHeisenberg Posts: 4,957
    Mamasan23 wrote:
    I'm in a league where our commish has the scoring set heavily to favor QB's. They get 10 points for every TD pass thrown as opposed to 6 points for receivers/rushers.

    Hmmm....kinda sounds like the opposite of the anti-QB league 81 is running right now ;)
    Just kidding big guy
  • drmrkelleydrmrkelley Posts: 141
    shadowcast wrote:
    Non PPR 12 team draft. 6 points for TD's
    1) Do not take a QB in the first 3-4 rounds. This position is very deep this year. I have won two Super Bowls with Garrard and Eli Manning at the helm. My buddy won two years ago with Jason Campbell starting in the Super Bowl. Let others pick the QB's early.
    2) Be carful on drafting WR too early. The Top 10 Wide outs over the past five years changes dramatically every year.
    3) RB should always be your first two picks. .
    4) If Chris Johnson drops to your in the mid to late 1st round you have to grab him
    5) Defense and Kicker should be your last two picks

    Top RB's- 1)Foster, 2) RRice, 3) Peterson, 4)Charles, 5)Mendenhall, 6)Hillis, 7)McCoy, 8) CJ, 9) MJD, 10) Forte/Blount

    Sounds like good advice to me. I would not be confident picking up Vick too early. His style of play is great for fantasy value, but it also makes him more injury prone. I would also add to not underestimate the value of sleepers. I was lucky enough to grab Arian Foster last year in the 8th round and he is the primary reason I won last year. The year before that I picked up Miles Austin off of waivers. Also, there is a big drop off when it comes to wide receivers. If you have a chance to get a stud WR after getting a stud RB, I would take the WR.
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  • drmrkelleydrmrkelley Posts: 141
    Heisenberg wrote:
    Mamasan23 wrote:
    I'm in a league where our commish has the scoring set heavily to favor QB's. They get 10 points for every TD pass thrown as opposed to 6 points for receivers/rushers.

    Hmmm....kinda sounds like the opposite of the anti-QB league 81 is running right now ;)
    Just kidding big guy


    4 points for QB touchdowns . . .C'mon!! :D
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,975
    The Fixer wrote:
    Bull shit. Vick is worth a top pick. And receivers are worth it if you're in a PPR league.

    yeah, all depends on league size, scoring system, lineup requirements, etc.

    this is why there should be a law regarding fantasy football discussions. you should be arrested if you talk about your team(s) with people that aren't in your league (unless they ask).

    This goes for a lot of things - fantasy team, your draft, poker hands where you took a bad beat, a stock you sold too early, anything at work that doesn't involve an altercation, sex, or porn being found on someone's computer, a wedding your planning, anything that happens at your child's sporting event if the kid is under 15(unless it involves two parents fighting or something truly incredible happened), and anything that happened during any exam you took.
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    shadowcast wrote:
    81 wrote:
    you are nuts
    Explain yourself Mr. 81.

    i'll explain myslef and this all assumes a PPR which is pretty standard now a days.

    and it mostly relates to point number 2 and by default 3.

    i believe if you don't get a top tier running back, you are better off taking the best WR on the board and getting a 2nd tier running back with your 2nd pick, or possible taking a second high end wide out with your second selection and than picking up your rb's in rounds 3 and 4, or even 3 and 5 with a qb in round 4, depending on who is on the board.

    why.

    the top wide outs are pretty consistnet year to year, unlike RB's who turn over more often. You are also more likely to find a Foster in the 7th round vs. a Roddy White in the 7th round. RB's are much more likely to go down to injury which means you don't want to waste your top pics on them. The first couple of round are all about securing top end consistent performers. The mid rounds are were you are going hunting for upside, and upside is typically found in RB's. WR's have to be developed. Rookies almost never perform and wr's that switch teams are typically slower to catch on. However, you can plug a rookie RB or even a free agent running back into a system and they can perform at a solid level (Lynch last year as an example. or ryan torrian)

    i also believe, you want to take the best player available regardless of position. that could result in a TE going in round 4 or maybe as high as three.

    anyways, i like to minimize risk across my other positions and draft a bunch of rb's later in the hopes that one or two pan out. just as an example, while you were draft AP, CJ, MJD last year in the first round, i was picking up Foster in the 7th. I've done this a number of times with RB's such as Gore, Forte, & Foster to name a few.
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    Heisenberg wrote:
    Mamasan23 wrote:
    I'm in a league where our commish has the scoring set heavily to favor QB's. They get 10 points for every TD pass thrown as opposed to 6 points for receivers/rushers.

    Hmmm....kinda sounds like the opposite of the anti-QB league 81 is running right now ;)
    Just kidding big guy


    4 pts for a qb is pretty standard. ;)
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    shadowcast wrote:
    Top RB's- 1)Foster, 2) RRice, 3) Peterson, 4)Charles, 5)Mendenhall, 6)Hillis, 7)McCoy, 8) CJ, 9) MJD, 10) Forte/Blount


    for the record, i would rate Charles lower. he's not going to get a full workload.

    McCoy should be higher. CJ should be higher unless you think he is going to miss a lot of time. Crap shoot there.

    MJD...i wouldn't take him....unless it was late 3rd round. too much risk. he's on the way down.
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Posts: 14,824
    The Fixer wrote:
    Bull shit. Vick is worth a top pick. And receivers are worth it if you're in a PPR league.

    yeah, all depends on league size, scoring system, lineup requirements, etc.

    this is why there should be a law regarding fantasy football discussions. you should be arrested if you talk about your team(s) with people that aren't in your league (unless they ask).


    Oh come on, you dont like hearing about some assholes fantasy team and how his draft was unbelievable?!?!?

    My cousins bf used to go on and on about his fantasy teams and finally last year I just snapped at him and said "I don't give a fuck!!!"
  • shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,182
    drmrkelley wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    Non PPR 12 team draft. 6 points for TD's
    1) Do not take a QB in the first 3-4 rounds. This position is very deep this year. I have won two Super Bowls with Garrard and Eli Manning at the helm. My buddy won two years ago with Jason Campbell starting in the Super Bowl. Let others pick the QB's early.
    2) Be carful on drafting WR too early. The Top 10 Wide outs over the past five years changes dramatically every year.
    3) RB should always be your first two picks. .
    4) If Chris Johnson drops to your in the mid to late 1st round you have to grab him
    5) Defense and Kicker should be your last two picks

    Top RB's- 1)Foster, 2) RRice, 3) Peterson, 4)Charles, 5)Mendenhall, 6)Hillis, 7)McCoy, 8) CJ, 9) MJD, 10) Forte/Blount

    I was lucky enough to grab Arian Foster last year in the 8th round and he is the primary reason I won last year. The year before that I picked up Miles Austin off of waivers. Also, there is a big drop off when it comes to wide receivers. If you have a chance to get a stud WR after getting a stud RB, I would take the WR.

    I did the same thing with Foster last year. I don’t think there is that much of a drop off that people think at wide out. For example Manningham, Mike Williams, Lee Evans, S. Holmes and Nate Burleson are great sleepers.
  • 81 wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    81 wrote:
    you are nuts
    Explain yourself Mr. 81.

    i'll explain myslef and this all assumes a PPR which is pretty standard now a days.

    and it mostly relates to point number 2 and by default 3.

    i believe if you don't get a top tier running back, you are better off taking the best WR on the board and getting a 2nd tier running back with your 2nd pick, or possible taking a second high end wide out with your second selection and than picking up your rb's in rounds 3 and 4, or even 3 and 5 with a qb in round 4, depending on who is on the board.

    why.

    the top wide outs are pretty consistnet year to year, unlike RB's who turn over more often. You are also more likely to find a Foster in the 7th round vs. a Roddy White in the 7th round. RB's are much more likely to go down to injury which means you don't want to waste your top pics on them. The first couple of round are all about securing top end consistent performers. The mid rounds are were you are going hunting for upside, and upside is typically found in RB's. WR's have to be developed. Rookies almost never perform and wr's that switch teams are typically slower to catch on. However, you can plug a rookie RB or even a free agent running back into a system and they can perform at a solid level (Lynch last year as an example. or ryan torrian)

    i also believe, you want to take the best player available regardless of position. that could result in a TE going in round 4 or maybe as high as three.

    anyways, i like to minimize risk across my other positions and draft a bunch of rb's later in the hopes that one or two pan out. just as an example, while you were draft AP, CJ, MJD last year in the first round, i was picking up Foster in the 7th. I've done this a number of times with RB's such as Gore, Forte, & Foster to name a few.

    Pretty much what I was going to post. Regardless of the type of league, how you have done in the past, etc -- there are a few easy items that statistically play out.
    1 of the main ones is the every year about of the Projected Top 10 RBs do not finish in the Top 10 at RB when the year is done. Injuries/30 year wall / team TD decline (or other teams jump), etc.
    Same cannot be said for WR. If you cannot grab a 'gold' RB you spend the next few rounds at WR as you know that statistics tell you the Top 10 going into the year will typically be close to the Top 10 at the end of the year.

    The other golden rule statistically seems to be 'Always draft D/K last 2 picks.' The per game differential is small in scoring between top and mid-range Combined with the fact that the Projected Top 10 is always different from Final Top 10.

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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Fixer wrote:
    Bull shit. Vick is worth a top pick. And receivers are worth it if you're in a PPR league.

    yeah, all depends on league size, scoring system, lineup requirements, etc.

    this is why there should be a law regarding fantasy football discussions. you should be arrested if you talk about your team(s) with people that aren't in your league (unless they ask).


    Oh come on, you dont like hearing about some assholes fantasy team and how his draft was unbelievable?!?!?

    My cousins bf used to go on and on about his fantasy teams and finally last year I just snapped at him and said "I don't give a fuck!!!"

    haha. FF leagues and NCAA pools. NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Indifference71Indifference71 Posts: 14,824
    81 wrote:
    Heisenberg wrote:
    Mamasan23 wrote:
    I'm in a league where our commish has the scoring set heavily to favor QB's. They get 10 points for every TD pass thrown as opposed to 6 points for receivers/rushers.

    Hmmm....kinda sounds like the opposite of the anti-QB league 81 is running right now ;)
    Just kidding big guy


    4 pts for a qb is pretty standard. ;)


    People dont like the 4pts for a TD pass?? Thats how our leauge has always been..
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,356
    shadowcast wrote:
    drmrkelley wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    Non PPR 12 team draft. 6 points for TD's
    1) Do not take a QB in the first 3-4 rounds. This position is very deep this year. I have won two Super Bowls with Garrard and Eli Manning at the helm. My buddy won two years ago with Jason Campbell starting in the Super Bowl. Let others pick the QB's early.
    2) Be carful on drafting WR too early. The Top 10 Wide outs over the past five years changes dramatically every year.
    3) RB should always be your first two picks. .
    4) If Chris Johnson drops to your in the mid to late 1st round you have to grab him
    5) Defense and Kicker should be your last two picks

    Top RB's- 1)Foster, 2) RRice, 3) Peterson, 4)Charles, 5)Mendenhall, 6)Hillis, 7)McCoy, 8) CJ, 9) MJD, 10) Forte/Blount

    I was lucky enough to grab Arian Foster last year in the 8th round and he is the primary reason I won last year. The year before that I picked up Miles Austin off of waivers. Also, there is a big drop off when it comes to wide receivers. If you have a chance to get a stud WR after getting a stud RB, I would take the WR.

    I did the same thing with Foster last year. I don’t think there is that much of a drop off that people think at wide out. For example Manningham, Mike Williams, Lee Evans, S. Holmes and Nate Burleson are great sleepers.


    Which Mike Williams are you calling a great sleeper?

    Looks to me like only Burleson is a sleeper on that list.
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Posts: 14,824
    The Fixer wrote:
    haha. FF leagues and NCAA pools. NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh god, dont even get me started on people that bring their NCAA brackets out to the bars. The worst.

    You ready for this weekend? I just talked to the guy from ydrivelimo and we're the first pickup on the tailgate bus at 1030...its going to be a long couple of days and I can't fucking wait.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,356
    81 wrote:
    i also believe, you want to take the best player available regardless of position. that could result in a TE going in round 4 or maybe as high as three.


    I like your post except this part. That should never, ever, ever happen except in the case of 1 single TE and only if he is healthy.
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Fixer wrote:
    haha. FF leagues and NCAA pools. NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh god, dont even get me started on people that bring their NCAA brackets out to the bars. The worst.

    You ready for this weekend? I just talked to the guy from ydrivelimo and we're the first pickup on the tailgate bus at 1030...its going to be a long couple of days and I can't fucking wait.

    yeah man, I am fired up. my crew is leaving out of philly at 10 AM on Thursday. Just gotta get through one more day of work.

    We are an early pickup too. I need to call the guy and hammer out the exact details. Where are you staying?
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,975
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    haha. FF leagues and NCAA pools. NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh god, dont even get me started on people that bring their NCAA brackets out to the bars. The worst.

    You ready for this weekend? I just talked to the guy from ydrivelimo and we're the first pickup on the tailgate bus at 1030...its going to be a long couple of days and I can't fucking wait.

    yeah man, I am fired up. my crew is leaving out of philly at 10 AM on Thursday. Just gotta get through one more day of work.

    We are an early pickup too. I need to call the guy and hammer out the exact details. Where are you staying?

    Fuckin' Wisconsin....
  • Indifference71Indifference71 Posts: 14,824
    The Fixer wrote:
    yeah man, I am fired up. my crew is leaving out of philly at 10 AM on Thursday. Just gotta get through one more day of work.

    We are an early pickup too. I need to call the guy and hammer out the exact details. Where are you staying?


    I'm dying at work already and I've got a full week since we're not coming up til Sat morning. You guys driving?

    We're getting picked up at the sky lodge inn in Delevan. We're staying at the delevan lake resort which is about 1/2 mile away.
  • BronyBrony Posts: 631
    few things: -turner is better than more than half the rbs on that list
    - Vick accounted for 30 tds last year. while throwing 6 picks. 6. he gets rushing yards. some games close to 100. no other qb does that. he is unlike any other qb. you can not compare him to brady or a healthy manning. he should be a top 10 pick
    - sleepers can not be considered the # 1 or 1a receiver, so that entire sleeper list is void
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    81 wrote:
    i also believe, you want to take the best player available regardless of position. that could result in a TE going in round 4 or maybe as high as three.


    I like your post except this part. That should never, ever, ever happen except in the case of 1 single TE and only if he is healthy.

    I took Whitten at the end of 4th of the PJ AET league (12 teams i had the second pick). when you compare his stats to teh wr's available and the rb's that were there... it made sense. he's going to catch 80-90 balls, be around 1000 yards and have 8-10 td's.
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    Brony wrote:
    few things: -turner is better than more than half the rbs on that list
    - Vick accounted for 30 tds last year. while throwing 6 picks. 6. he gets rushing yards. some games close to 100. no other qb does that. he is unlike any other qb. you can not compare him to brady or a healthy manning. he should be a top 10 pick
    - sleepers can not be considered the # 1 or 1a receiver, so that entire sleeper list is void


    except for nate burleson. :?
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Fixer wrote:
    yeah man, I am fired up. my crew is leaving out of philly at 10 AM on Thursday. Just gotta get through one more day of work.

    We are an early pickup too. I need to call the guy and hammer out the exact details. Where are you staying?


    I'm dying at work already and I've got a full week since we're not coming up til Sat morning. You guys driving?

    We're getting picked up at the sky lodge inn in Delevan. We're staying at the delevan lake resort which is about 1/2 mile away.

    ah, nice.

    we are flying. I wouldn't have minded the drive out, but I don't know how the people driving home are going to do it. We just got brewers tix for thursday afternoon. This trip is gonna be awesome.

    the early pickup is going to be rough. first beers on saturday and sunday are going to go down like razorblades
  • Indifference71Indifference71 Posts: 14,824
    The Fixer wrote:
    ah, nice.

    we are flying. I wouldn't have minded the drive out, but I don't know how the people driving home are going to do it. We just got brewers tix for thursday afternoon. This trip is gonna be awesome.

    the early pickup is going to be rough. first beers on saturday and sunday are going to go down like razorblades


    Good call w/ flying...driving back would have been awful. My drive will be awful and its only 90 mins. Good move getting Brewers tix...miller park is great. You can tailgate there too...get warmed up for the serious tailgating all weekend.

    Early pickup will be well worth it when none of us have to worry about driving out of that place. Thanks again for letting me know about that bus...that worked out perfectly for us.
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    nobody cares about PJ20...quit polluting this thread with that crap. :P




    see ya this weekend. :thumbup:
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